Mark Thomas on Coca-Cola

[Staurm]

I haven't watched this yet as I'm busy catching up on the latest installment of Heroes, but anyway Mark Thomas is like the UK's equivalent of Michael Moore. He has done some pretty cool stuff over the past 15 years, probably his most impressive work of uncovering the truth about politics was the episode where he tricked General Wijojo of the Indonesian Government into admitting that they used torture against their own people, by posing as a bogus PR company at the weapons fair. He is not one for passing round bullshit conspiracy theories so I hope this thread doesn't get moved. This is his latest show, I just thought I'd share this with you guys.

YouTube - Dispatches: Mark Thomas on Coca-Cola 1/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5JXmDApzp4)
YouTube - Dispatches: Mark Thomas on Coca-Cola 2/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4MtFQ8L3nc)
YouTube - Dispatches: Mark Thomas on Coca-Cola 3/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FFODET77as)
YouTube - Dispatches: Mark Thomas on Coca-Cola 4/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRnHsXkZIIU)
YouTube - Dispatches: Mark Thomas on Coca-Cola 5/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6W9nV7XO4vc)

[Staurm]

37 people viewed this thread, but no-one commented. Did anyone watch it then? I have to say I'll not be buying a single fucking thing from those cocks ever again. I'm going to piss on the next coke machine I see, and write NAZI CAPITALIST SCUM on every single can of coke I see. How can the world be this fucked up! I'm seriously angry about this.

[Mohksha]

Nazi and capitalism don't go together.

So what if in the past they dealt with the nazis? it happened in the past. that was so long ago that the current people that work there had nothing to do with it. Also, "it" wasn't known to be problematic in the 19th century. Everyone did "it." Hell, whether it is problematic is still debatable today. We aren't supposed to talk about things other than weed though, so I can't really talk about it.

[Staurm]

OK watch the program and then tell me that nazi and capitalism don't go together. A modern day capitalist organisation the size of coca-cola sponsored the Nazis in Germany before WW2. Yes that was in past, but that's not the worst things Coca-cola has done, they are doing that now, and not only that but what they are doing is pretty fucking horrendous by even Nestle's standards, not as bad as Lockheed & Martin though.

[yokinazu]

I AM A COKE HEAD. i will never quit buying coke. there is nothing in the world like an ice cold coke. that and cigarettes are my2 weaknesses. oh wait i forgot i have to have my coffee too.

if this guy is the european michael moore. well then is he as big of a joke as moore?

also the origanal nazi party was not a bad thing. they were a workers party meant to impower the people. its what the nazi party morphed into that created the stigma they now have. before ww2 they were what germany needed. but instaed of being known for revitalizing the country they are known for the holocost. if you are ever given the chance read "the rise and fall of the third reich". it is a long and boring book and reads like reading documents but is hugely informative of the good things that the nazi party accomplished.it also outlines the bad. it is unbaised and is historicaly factual.

dont get me wrong i despise what the nazi party stands for today and it is way off of the origanal concept.

[Staurm]

If the Nazi's weren't so bad then why do Coca-Cola not want anything from that era included in their museum? Probably for the same reasons they don't want people to know they exploit child labour in third world countries, extract water from areas of Indian that suffer from droughts, pollute rivers to the extent that all the fish die and have trade union workers killed by the score in Columbia by the Black Eagles. Watch the show. There's fuck all difference between coke and pepsi, it's all in your corrupted mind, corrupted by advertising I mean.... I'm an Irn Bru man myself, it's made from girders!

[snowblind]

volkswagen was invented by hitler. it means the peoples machine. i get what your saying but sometimes you have to let thinjgs go.

[j4k3z]

I haven't watched it yet I will later tonight but I think I know what to expect already. My question is, are there any drinks I can buy at the store that are definitely safe? All this bottled water b/s I hear doesn't really come from 'the springs' but just city water put into a bottle, but are there actually companies with products in the store that are 100% non-corrupted? Someone should make a website listing all of the stuff that 'the people' sell..

[Staurm]

volkswagen was invented by hitler. it means the peoples machine. i get what your saying but sometimes you have to let thinjgs go.

OK forget the nazi thing, and focus on what they are doing today, should I let that go?


I haven't watched it yet I will later tonight but I think I know what to expect already. My question is, are there any drinks I can buy at the store that are definitely safe? All this bottled water b/s I hear doesn't really come from 'the springs' but just city water put into a bottle, but are there actually companies with products in the store that are 100% non-corrupted? Someone should make a website listing all of the stuff that 'the people' sell..

You mean like this?

Ethical Consumer: information for the green and ethical shopper (http://www.ethicalconsumer.org/)

From their boycott list:

"Coca-Cola
for its repression of trade union activity in Colombia and its depletion of groundwater resources in India.
Contact: Colombia Solidarity Campaign, UK arm of campaign on 07743 743041 or email.
Websites: Colombia's Food and Drink Workers' Union SinalTrainal, who called the boycott on 22nd July 2003, Killer Coke, and Coke Watch
In India, Coca Cola has caused severe water shortages, polluted groundwater and soil around its bottling plant, distributed its toxic waste as "fertiliser" to local farmers and sold drinks with extremely high levels of pesticides.
Website: India Resource Centre"

[snowblind]

yeha man i agree with you on the other fronts. the way they treat their workers. the use of caffine for minors. stealing and polluting water. there all dispicable things. i checked there website they quote at the end and it complete bolloxs. i dont drink fizzy drinks personally anymore.

[yokinazu]

the reason nobody wants to be related in any way to the nazis is for the stigma associated with them. same as with the swastika. its consider a hate party and emblem. but there are many pictures and statues of buddha with a swastika.

also like i said if this guy is the uk vesion of michael moore he must be a huge joke. in the US the far left wing liberals love michael moore the rest of us look at him as a quack. half of what he says is a twist on facts and the other half im almost convinced he made up. he is a hypocrit.for instance he owns a huge amount of enron stock then tells us how evil they are.

there a a lot of corporations doing far worse things to the world than coke.

[Staurm]

Buddha and the swastika? Are you sure your not thinking about Ganesh? In many illustrations of the HINDU god ganesh there is a swastika, I don't think its anything to do with Nazism though, and it's goes in the opposite direction anyway. I think its sort more to do with their socio-political philosophy and the holocaust, as opposed to simply basing opinion on their emblem.

[snowblind]

there is a difference in the use, it is a sandscript symbol that when flat like a square horizontal and purpendicular means well being. it is used in hinduism, budism and various other religons.

the swastika however it turned through 45 degress so it looks ike a diamond or kite, it also is black in a white circle with a red background. that is the 'true' nazi symbol. they arent the same.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Coke are bastards, having watched that video, but the Nazi link is rediculous. They weren't nazi collaberators as the guy was trying to sell, they were just a cola company trying to sell their product to a world market. Part of that world market was the German people, and if the nazi's are the government in power, then the nazi's are the guys you go through to sell coke to the Germans.

Also he "proved" that coke had a policy of discriminating against blacks because back in the day, black people had only the low possitions in Coke's company. That's not a coke policy, that's a societal policy that permeated every company in the US at that time. He made it out like Coke was the inventor of black discrimination. I guess in every other large corporation african americans were going strait to the top :rolleyes:

[Staurm]

Mark is as much guilty of being a propagandist as the propagandists, but he is still a very integral person. He has always tried to promote his politics through comedy, and that was probably his comedy stunt trying to get them to acknowledge this. It's still interesting that they didn't. I think it was a good way to begin the show.

About the black thing, maybe Obama should get a coke sponsorship for his election campaign, seeing as you know he is a republican?

[j4k3z]

for instance he owns a huge amount of enron stock then tells us how evil they are.

I don't care how evil something is, if it's a good investment I will be the first one in line. Morals are one thing but when it comes to money you have to get it any way you can.

[yokinazu]

the swastikas are differant so are the ones the amercan indians used and the greek. it is an ancient symbol. but if you use one today no matter how it is oriented it will be associated with the nazi party. this is simply due to the fact most people are ignorant to the ancient symbolism. im just trying to point out the stigma aasociated with it.

enron may have been a good investment im sure. but if i were to invest money into a company i would not make a movie trying to turn the american paople against it there by lowering my profit margin. i was just trying to show that the things he says needs to be takin with a grain of salt. i liked moore up until i saw bowling for columbine.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Damn Nazi's took one of humanity's coolest symboles and ruined it for everybody! As if being snappy dressors and ruining snazzy black uniforms weren't enough...

[Nightcrewman]

If we knew half of what large corporations get up to we probably would never buy another product of any kind.

NCM

[Staurm]

We know plenty thanks to the information revolution, sadly though these scum aren't being held to account for their crimes though.