how do these look?

[hydrocannabis]

these pix R a few days old. so U know...:D
1st up is a pic of a female sativa clone with bondage.
2ed up is a pic of some dankseed seedlings that were from some good green bud.

so how do they all look.

the clone is gunna be put into flower cycke soon as I can get a nother timer for it.

knock on wood.. KNOCK ON WOOD! but life is seeming great for me right now.
cuz I have my health and good buds and good friends and 1 cool family member. so hell yah to that.

so puff it and pass it beatch.
and also this just becuz.YouTube - Linkin Park Rap Songs (http://youtube.com/watch?v=veEXPhnxP6o)

opinions wanted. YOU KNOOOW it then U blow it!

[Rusty Trichome]

No problems with bugs in the leaf-litter?

[stinkyattic]

The ones in the tan pot look healthy so far but there's a few things that WILL cause problems later.
The soil surface is WAY too deep below the rim of the pot, you need much more air flow around the base of the plants.
I'm not sure what that soil is, but get those dead leave out of there!
Repot those plants eac into its own separate pot using nice light potting soil and make the soi lsurface no more than an inch below the rim of the pot.
Breaking the roots apart might be tricky. Be very careful. If you don't want to risk it, just re-pot into a much larger pot, but again, good soil!!!

[scagster]

lol is that soil from the forest? I see sticks in it. Good stuff mate, I just got some new seeds I'm gonna be sprouting soon, hopefully end up with enough females to expand my gene pool. :thumbsup: BTW thumbs down on linkin park :p

[hydrocannabis]

yah I got rid of the tree leafs earler to day.
and they both have good soil for veggies.
the soil I got from a pro garden center thats by my house.

and I don't realy have to put t e 2 seedlings in there own pots because once befor I have grown in a singel pot with as many as 3seeds all the way to harvest.

as seen in this pic. so yes 2 or more can be grown in a singel pot with enought light.

and I think that linkin park kicks ass. :thumbsup:

and anyone anywhere that dosen't like linkin park.
well thats just fine by me. for real.

[klondike_bar]

linkin park can suck my balls, but i wouldnt let them, cuz theyd suck too hard.

on a serious note, i dont care how well theyve grown together before, theyll grow that much better individually.

[spongebobsmokepants]

Looking good broski!:smokin:

[hydrocannabis]

new pix eather later tonight or sometime tomarrow.

and here is how there doing. well first off the clone is now a healthy medium sized BUSH.
and the lil seedlings R also doing well. and because they R bagseed plants I didn't want to over feed them.
so I gave them a 1/4th strength of veg ferts.

untill later stay high my cool canna peeps.
unless U have to go to work.

and have a great daywith whatever yall do.

[hydrocannabis]

update wit pix. enjoy.

So the pix were taken just befor I did a little more LSTing to my plants.
and dees days when I be growin me dank bagseeds I like to try and get my plants as LSTed bushy as I can befor I set them to flower mode.

so day don't get too tall for my gwow-box wen floweren. :D
and I am gunna veg all of these plants untill me DWC clone and friend is time for harvest.

anyways tell me what U tink of em now.

:thumbsup: :jointsmile: :rasta: :D :stoned::wtf:

[klondike_bar]

still gotta say: get em out of the deep pot or raise soil level

[hydrocannabis]

here is some new pix. I think I might need to give them a little of my blackstrap molassas.

well anyway I am gunna veg them for about 2-4 more weeks befor I move her into my flowering cab.

Or I might insted just veg her for 2 more weeks in this cab then move her to my flowering cab and veg her there for about
another week then put the light on like 14-12 then 13-12 then finely on to 12-12. thats if it would even work.

now new pix.

all comments R welcom.

[Rusty Trichome]

You cut the pot down to size? Good job but I'd have probably (quickly and gently) removed plant and added soil to bottom, but I'm sure height restraints prevents this, right?
-But-
Is that a plastic disc to reflect the light back up? How do the roots get air?
Pushing some (3 or 4) small bamboo stakes into pot, (so that they are at least an inch or two above the edge of the pot) and resting the disc on them, might be a better option, if you must, but keep in mind that the roots need decent air circulation.

HTH...Rusty

[klondike_bar]

i agree with rusty, although i dont imagine the plastic/paper will do much for the light.

especially since i dont believe that the bottom of a leaf can provide much if any energy through photosynthesis (thats what the top is for)

[stinkyattic]

The plastic would actually do a lot to limit the ability of thrips to reproduce, if it overhung the edges by a bit, and since you are using 'used' dirt, that's something to be aware of. check frequently for bug damage.

[hydrocannabis]

damm they don't look so hot anymore.

I gave them 1/4th of organic veggie ferts like a week in a 1/2 ago.
and around 1/8 of blackstrap molassas.

so what the hell is wrong wit em.
and what can I do to fix the problem.

and also the light has been a good 2-3 inches over the plant and also a fan softly blowen on the plant.
U helping me on this will earn U some great christmas karma.

thanks. from HC over and out.:stoned:

[hydrocannabis]

and when I move them all in to the much bigger flowering box I can then tie down to more of the outer side ove the pot thus giveing them lots more room to grow big.

and I will take out any males or more than likely will take out the hermmies also.

well ok then I guess I'll see ya at the county fare later on. LOL.

[stinkyattic]

I gave them 1/4th of organic veggie ferts like a week in a 1/2 ago.
and around 1/8 of blackstrap molassas.

Nitrogen deficiency on new growth.
Problem is, 1/4 of what? And how did you mix it?
Like, how much per gallon?

[hydrocannabis]

1/4th of hasta gro plant food plus 6-12-6 cuz thats all I had I could use. and I don't have extra money to buy any other stuff.

well the guy at the garden center said it should work wornders.

ok so what can I do to fix good the problem befor it gets much worse.

should I flush her out with good clean water.and how much water do I use. thanks for UR help stinky.

[hydrocannabis]

ok I am gunna take a shot of all my ferts and maybe U can tell me what I have and what I should be useing.

[stinkyattic]

1/4th of hasta gro plant food plus 6-12-6 cuz thats all I had I could use. .

Units please.

For example:
One tablespoon per gallon.
30mL per Litre.
etc.

Or, "I mixed it at 1/4 of what the manufacturer recommends"

Without units, those numbers are meaningless.

[hydrocannabis]

ok then.

I mixed between 1/2 teaspoon and 1 teaspoon to 1 gallon of water. and only on every other watering.

so how do I fix this Nitrogen deficiency on new growth problem.

and I wanted to start flowering her in like around 2-3 more weeks.
so I need the problem gone.

[Rusty Trichome]

I'd go with the Alaksa and the Pure Blend Tea for veg, Medina (kinda high in nitrogen, but might be ok) and epsom salts (if needed) for bloom. I always steer tword the liquids when buying for my 'garden'.
Do you use any micronutes besides the tea? Superthrive? Also, I heard molasses can lock-out iron, so I add moe iron every couple of weeks. Brings the deeper-green color back to her cheeks.

[hydrocannabis]

ok so I just fed her with some of the Alaksa and the Pure Blend Tea for veg. 1 teaspoon of the pure blend tea. and 1/2 teaspoon of the Alaksa stuff to 1 gallon of water.
so Rusty U better right about the firts.

and I now have to tie her down cuz they R all growing whily.:D
I can't hardly wate to move them into the flowering room.

and coooome on seedlings please be female all of U. and please no hermmies.

woo hoo.

and if this works wekk then U my buddy.:thumbsup:

cuz I am gunna try to grow like 3-6 plants to harvest and stock up untill I have an ass load of good cured homegrown.

[hydrocannabis]

ok so when I usuly water my plants. I give em a good! gulp of the mixed ferted water.

and I am mostly for sure that I didn't over fert her. well I really hope this will help her green color come back.:D

[Rusty Trichome]

ok so I just fed her with some of the Alaksa and the Pure Blend Tea for veg. 1 teaspoon of the pure blend tea. and 1/2 teaspoon of the Alaksa stuff to 1 gallon of water.
so Rusty U better right about the firts.

Ok, sounds good so far. Is that the directions on the bottle? Just curious because cannabis is a nitrogen whore. If the Alaska says 1/2 tsp per gallon every two weeks, that's a great place to start, but more nitrogen may be necessary.

Example: With the Miracle Gro All Purpose (12-4-8) nutes that I commonly use it says that indoors plants should get 1tsp per gallon, every two weeks. After using this product for a while, I found out I can give the same 1tsp per gallon, every week, with better results. (1 gallon will feed 4 of my 3 gallon pots effectively, or almost 12 1 gallon pots) If edges start to burn a tad, I know to cut back a tad. Keep track of what you do, when you do it, and the results. Makes the whole process smoother with more consistent results.
As each strain has it's own thoughts on the subject, each gardener has to figure out what the plant needs, and fine-tune the ratios from there, but keep in mind...never just start-out giving double the recommended dose till you get to know the product. Miracle Gro is created and labeled for ordinary, everyday houseplants...where as Advanced Nutrients products are created and labeled for cannabis, and probably shouldn't be doubled.

With the tea, you are on your own, lol. Personally, the only stuff I use (besides nutes, mag. sulphate and worm castings) is Superthrive. I usually give the micronutes and minerals a couple of times throughout the grow, but not every feeding will get 'em, and not twords the end of my grows.

Hope this makes sense.

[hydrocannabis]

wow. thanks yes it does.
thanks for UR info.

and since her pot is only about a gallon I gave her half of the mixed water for now then tomarrow I'm gunna give her the other half of the water. cuz I don't wanna drown her in water all at once.

so just worndering about how long U been growen?:D

[Rusty Trichome]

Bad idea. Just because you mix a gallon of ferts, does not mean you need to use it all on one small pot, at one time. You'll kill your babies. When fertilizing your single, one gallon pot, I'd first give about a cup of clean water, then after a couple of minutes add a cup or two of the fertilized water mix. If the water drains out the bottom, add less the next time. (to me...runoff is a waste)
That's it. You do not save the rest to add later that day, and do not water your plants daily. I live in the desert with summer humidity levels in the teens, and I only water twice a week. You'll kill a cannabis plant if you keep the soil too wet all the time.
I've been growing off and on since the 80's, but only started taking it seriously when I got access to the internet.
HTH

[hydrocannabis]

ok so I never gave her the rest of the water today.
well hopfuly she will clomb back up the mountain to good greeness.

and uh since the 80's. damm dats a long time.

[hydrocannabis]

dammit all to hell me think she might be dieing.
so can she make it?

and also how do these look.
and I pray to mother nature and my good luck than there all females.

and if they all turn out female than to me that will mean that its a huge bag of luck.
because I haven't gotten a male bagseed since I started growing some 8-9 years ago.

thanks for any good info on my babe girl clone.

[Rusty Trichome]

First off...don't panic. All is not lost. This is where patience comes in handy. Please read entire post before doing anything.
Looks like minor nute burn is setting in. As you didn't apply any more of the fert mix, it may be ok. Kind of a catch-22...either flush with clean - ph balanced water, and risk root rot, or let her ride it out till she dries out for the next watering.

Perhaps a dedicated fan for a day or two, to dry-out the roots just a little bit quicker. Some leaves may turn brownish and curl along the edges (altho in picture 1 it looks like you simply dripped some fert mix on one of the leaves, and that drip burned the leaf.

If you could post a pix later today, or tonight, for side by side comparison, We'll see what she's doing.

OOPS My bad. I saw the first two pix, they look pretty much ok to me. (altho no clones in the pix) But, the third pix...the clones need flushing immediatelly. About 1/2 gallon of fresh, ph'd water each.

*gotta admit, 'the no male bagseed in 8-9 years' statement still has me chuckling

[sociobud]

Ya, I agree with rusty, don't panic-smoke a bowl (or 2) and relax. Just remember, it will take a few days until you can really see a change in plants. You can't get better from being sick in a day, right??????

[hydrocannabis]

quote:OOPS My bad. I saw the first two pix, they look pretty much ok to me. (altho no clones in the pix) But, the third pix...the clones need flushing immediatelly. About 1/2 gallon of fresh, ph'd water each.:quote

and where might I find this.

and just so U know the 1 with all of the tops is a female clone. the other ones R seedlings that I hope R all females.:D

[Rusty Trichome]

The big one looks fine to me at this point. The little ones in the forefront of picture 3 look bad.
PHd water is simply the water you normally use for watering you ladies. (without nutes) The main reason I say PHd water is that I live in the desert with my own well, and have to adjust it every time I water. (the water comes out of the grounnd at 7.9 to 8.1 ph)
As I'm sure there are others in the same boat, I really don't want anyone coming back and saying "you didn't say anything about messin' with the ph..."
Please don't take it personal. It is simply a way of wording my posts to minimize my getting into trouble, and to minimize dopey/easy-to-make mistakes.

Anyway, I'd flush the seedlings as stated, and pull off the lower dead leaves. Hopefully will be just fine.

[hydrocannabis]

time for an up date on my garden.

ok so the seedlings R doing just fine. but no signs of sex yet.

the clone is still a yellowish looking but she is growing good.
gunna re-biggerpot her around a week befor I move her into the flowering box.

pix.

[Shovelhandle]

any new photos, hc?
Love to see 'em.


OOPS, I See now!
Shov

[hydrocannabis]

new update.
ok so I am gunna move them into the flowering room
sunday afternoon. and I am gunna re pot them both.
then I was gunna flip the lights to 12-12 around 1 week after they have been re-poted and in there new bigger home.

then after the week it'll be flowering time.

pix.

so whacha think of em?

and I know they need to be re-potted very soon. and I am gunna do it as soon as I can. I just gotta get a bit more soil and I'm good to go.
and I think three youngins in the 1 pot might have been over watered. so I am gunna back off the water. but last tusday they need a good flush.

well for now peace out and one love.
:stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned::stoned:

[hydrocannabis]

and I think I have witeflies. and I have been killing them with a wet Qtip. and it has been working ok so far. and I am gunna put in my pest strips I bought today.

[hydrocannabis]

ok so I hung up 2 out of the 8 sticky pest strips and now most of the whiteflys now dead and stuck to the pest strips.

and I just got done RE-POTTing them into bigger pots. :D
and I was gunna move them in to the flower box on sunday then after a nother 5 days I'll them flip to flowering cycle.

the 3 plants in 1 pot R now in a huge pot and 1 of em is a female as of 2 days ago.
the other 2 I ain't sure about sex yet. but I really HOPE there female also.
and this time if I see a HERMMIE/male they'll be more than dead on the spot.
and I had thought they were over watered. but when I took them out of there pot the soil was al most getting bone dry.

and as for the clone shes doing ok I guess. will see of the repotting of her will help.

anyway hers some new pix of the garden.
first 2 pix R of the 3 befor I repotted them in the bigger pot.
3ed pic if of them together in there bigger pots.
4th pic is of the 3 back in there veg box.
5th pic is of a spider I found.


who thinks they might do better now that there in the bigger pots.

[hydrocannabis]

anyone wanna comment on them.

[hydrocannabis]

and I heard that putting used coffee grinds in UR soil will make UR plants do better.
I heard dat it has nitrogen in it.
which I heard is good for UR veging plants.

but I ain't sure. have any of U other growers on here ever heard of this befor?

and 1 of the 3 plants has some kinda droopy leaves.
so could this be shock from the repoting of them.

there new pot is huge so I think they should have plenty of growing room.
so hope fuly thay will start growing better in the comming weeks.

now to smome a nother bowl. laters.

[hydrocannabis]

Ok so I made a new grow/flowering box. :D:stoned:

and I am gunna veg them for another 2-3 more weeks so they can get kind of big befor I flip em to 12-12. :D

pix taken around 4-5 hours ago and of some dat R of some droopy leafs. So what might be the problem with that?

so its like now the top leafs R starting to grow to the light.
so is this a good sign of the plant getting back to better health?

I stuck my 2 fingers 2 inches deep in the soil and it felt wet but NOT SOGGY at all.

I guess I'll just have to see what happens.

well anyway how does the new grow box it look?
and also any comments would be nice to here.


and maybe a moderator can move this to the grow log forums.
cuz I wanted to use it as my new grow log.

thanks. HC.

[hydrocannabis]

ooooo YAH I for got to mention that I can move the bottem part of the box all round.
like I can take it in and out and I can also turn it around.

and I am gunna light proof it when I get it reaty to flower it.
and I can light proof wit it eze.

[hydrocannabis]

ok so the leafs R still droopy.:(:mad: so why might this be?
I know it sounds like I am worrying a lot about it. but its just that I spent too much time on them. for them to go down hill now.

[miley]

What is the temp in your grow box? High temps can cause droopy leaves.

[hydrocannabis]

not sure on the temps I do have a fan in there. and I wanna wire up and add a few pc fans. cuz I have a good amount of thouse. but I don't know hot to wire em up.
and I don't even know what to wire em up to.


and to day I say that there leafs R looking kind of yellow.
I was told thas its from lack of nitrogen.

now I think I may have given them my flowering ferts by mistake around a week ago.
I do have some alaska fish fert that I could give it or I could flush them with water and epsom salt.

I don't know what to do. I feel kinda lost cuz I havent had this problem in all of my past 15 grow's.

[sociobud]

That's a neat idea on the grow box. I like the way your creative mind thinks. You do need to light proof it, but I think it has great possibilities! I did notice the boxes are blue on the outside, what color are they on the inside? Can you take a pic of the inside so we can see how that's set up?

Judging by your setup, you're a man of thrifty ways, and I can appreciate that, but you will have to purchase some more equipment. Go buy a pH meter and a thermometer. It shouldn't cost you more then $10, and it will pay for itself in no time. Make sure you buy a pH meter that can test both soil and water. Don't make the mistake I did, dammit. :mad:

Where are the leaves curling and yellowing? Near the bottom, top, outer edges...Let me know what you find out because I have the same problem. My very bottom leaves curl and turn yellow. I haven't freaked out yet because it always seems to get better, and my babies are quite happy. I just cut them off, but don't follow my lead because I have no clue either!

Good growings, man!

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking ok so far.
Any way to get a humidity and a temp reading? How are you venting the heat out of the top of the tub? In a set-up like that I'd be afraid of just pushing the hot air around and around and around, instead of out.
Overheat, overfert and overwater are killers.
Do not let the soil stay 'soggy'. If top couple of inches of soil is DRY, likely, it's time to water. Better a bit dry, than a bit drowned.
Some plants need constant and plentiful water available to the roots. (mangrove...) Some plants need the soil to be dry, or root rot will quickly develop. (cactus...)
Cannabis is somewhat in the middle but leaning more tword the cactus side.

[hydrocannabis]

where can I buy a pH meter and a thermometer?
loke: HEB or maybe wallmart or wharever.

and should I be useing the fish ferts I have?

and big big thanks fo stopin by canna buddies and for UR opinions.

[sociobud]

Try any large home improvement store (Home Depot, Lowes, Menards, Tractor Supply), they should still have some. In fact, I say a pH meter at Lowes for $5 last week. I'd either go to Lowes or some local nursery. Some nurseries are still open during the winter. They would have pH meters & thermometers, but they may be more expensive. You could use any thermometer for now. Just something that will read the temp. I think any place will have a thermometer you could use, even if they don't have a pH meter.

You should be able to find a thermometer & pH meter rather easily. If you don't want to go driving everywhere, pick up the phonebook, and start calling. If you want a nice one, I suggest you buy it online. The ones I have seen in stores are very basic. Just make sure it can read water & soil.

How are you going to light proof your cab? Whatever you do, it needs to be easily removed and replaced. That's the bitch, making it mobile. Ignore the 'pics of inside' comment, I see now you have pics of that. :stoned:

[PharmaCan]

HC - Those meters at Home dePot, Lowe's, etc. are crap! Hanna meters are crap!!!!

If you can afford US$75 - $100, you can buy a pretty good pH meter. I have a Milwaukee ($80) and it works fine for me. If you can't afford a meter right now, get a liquid test kit for $5-$10. Lowe's does have some pretty cool digital thermometers pretty cheap - look in their garden section.

Good luck!!! :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

[Rusty Trichome]

For checking water ph, I use my (freshwater) aquarium test kit. $6.00 or so at any pet store. My well water is very consistent, so I only check it once in a while. And since I know how much ammendment it takes to adjust the water to 6.8 or so, I use the whole kit in maybe 18 months to 2 years.
Just another option.

Also...I've done the coffe grounds thing, but was using my regular ferts, too. Ended up burning the ladies a bit. To me it's better to adjust my ferts a little at a time till I get repeatable results, grow after grow. Weird additives may work as claimed...but...It seems to make my job tougher in the long run.

[scagster]

Coffee grounds can make your pH drop, and can invite mold. I wouldn't do it indoors personally. If i was growing outside in soil, sure why not, I use coffee grounds and eggshells and such in organic gardening.

[hydrocannabis]

Big thanks for all U guys great help and info.:thumbsup:

well 1 things I ma do is find out how to wire up a few pc fans for pulling the air OUT of the grow cab. since I can't ford a to spend a lot of $$ on a pH tester.

I'll have to try this: aquarium test kit. $6.00 or so at any pet store.

and I'll find a good way to light proof it thats eze to remove also.
and and should I be useing the fish ferts I have?
or not.

well! off to my Xmass party. :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

do they look like they might have a chance to live agen and grow some more.

and if there is a way to fix whatever problem they R haveing.
then what is it? or should I just start over.

[Rusty Trichome]

Looks like nute lock-out to me. Would get the test kit asap, and check the ph of the water you use for the plants.
-also-

Have you by chance been:
...adding anything to soil, to try and green-up the leaves?
...spraying anything on leaves, to try and green-up them up?
...trying to flush anything out of your soil, more than once?

Possibly too much iorn...?

[hydrocannabis]

Have I by chance been: only 1thing.

..adding anything to soil, to try and green-up the leaves?.
..spraying anything on leaves, to try and green-up them up?
..trying to flush anything out of your soil, more than once?

I added a mix of water with fish ferts to the soil. about 2 days ago.
I mixed the fish ferts with a gallon of water. and I gave some to each plant.

and if this I can't fix this problem. then I am just gunna start over with the seeds from my last grow.

so what should I be adding green up the leafs.

[Rusty Trichome]

First step for me would be to get the ph checked. You can even take a sample of your water to any fish store and they will test it for free. (tell 'em you are thinking of buying a fish tank, but neighbor told you water was too acidic) Then take the ph info to your local nursery to ask how to adjust it.

The fish fret shouldn't do any damage, but how often do you water, and do you let the soil dry out between waterings?

Beyond that, how are you with clones? I wouldn't just chuck all that time and effort out the window.

Blindly saying you need iorn or magnesium sulphate to green it up could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.

[hydrocannabis]

First step for me would be to get the ph checked. You can even take a sample of your water to any fish store and they will test it for free. (tell 'em you are thinking of buying a fish tank, but neighbor told you water was too acidic) Then take the ph info to your local nursery to ask how to adjust it.

The fish fret shouldn't do any damage, but how often do you water, and do you let the soil dry out between waterings?


Beyond that, how are you with clones? I wouldn't just chuck all that time and effort out the window.

Blindly saying you need iorn or magnesium sulphate to green it up could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.



The fish fret shouldn't do any damage, but how often do you water, and do you let the soil dry out between waterings?

YES I do. I was told to stick my fingers 2 inches deep.
and if its dry at that deep its time to water.

ok so I found out that I do have a big bag of the hi yield magnesium sulphate.
oops its not in the pic but I do have a big bag of it.
so will it really green up my babies/clone agen?

what I am worndering is if it would be ezer to just start over.

and I did get a digie temp reader. :D and its called an acurite.
that is what it says on the back of it.

and what is it that could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.

and which 1 of these firts should I be useing.
or could I be useing to maybe fix the problem.
also thanks for the help I like it a lot.

ps: my last grow was a DWC seedling and clone grow. and it went well. but could have gone a little bhetter.as seen in my log.

and what I love about growing is that I learn sonthing new each time I grow.

:hippy::D:D:hippy::stoned::jointsmile:

[dale923]

Dude whats in your soil. Im pretty new to growing but i would guess you would want to take care of that.

[Rusty Trichome]

YES I do. I was told to stick my fingers 2 inches deep.
and if its dry at that deep its time to water.
Perhaps once it's dry 2" down, water the next day.


ok so I found out that I do have a big bag of the hi yield magnesium sulphate.
so will it really green up my babies/clone agen?

I almost always add 1.5 teaspoons per gallon of water, every month. At this point I'd say give that a go, once you get the test kit or ph pen. At least have your water tested so you know what you are dealing with, so you can correct it.


what I am worndering is if it would be ezer to just start over.
It's almost always easier to be a quitter. Situations like this tho, is how we all learn. Get the stuff to check your ph, and grow from there. If you just blindly start adding stuff to a stressed plant, chances are, until you know what you are doing you will continue to do more damage.


and I did get a digie temp reader. :D and its called an acurite.

Again...cheaper at the pet store. A cheap aquarium thermometer with the suction cup thingy...$3.00.


and what is it that could possibly do more damage if your ph is out of whack.
Prevents roots from being able to uptake the nutes. Prevents the leaves from getting the nutes they need for photosynthisis. kills most bio-activity in the soil, leaf necrosis (appearance of dead spots) and plant death.


and which 1 of these firts should I be useing.
or could I be useing to maybe fix the problem.
also thanks for the help I like it a lot.
If your water ph has been creating a nute lock-out, no ferts you add to the soil will show positive results. Perhaps a weak mix of nute for foliar spraying, but use weak solution on weak plants...with ph adjusted water.
I think Mag sulphate is a buffer, helps stabilize the ph of the soil. (but no, don't use it to adjust your water...will build-up those salts in the soil pretty quickly)


and what I love about growing is that I learn sonthing new each time I grow.
Me too. Would sure be nice to hear some other views...

[hydrocannabis]

Would sure be nice to hear some other views... I know right.

so lastnight I added 1.5 teaspoon to a gallon of water and gave it to them.
so should this work on makeing my plants greender agen?
the only thing H have given em was the MS and water.

and about how long should it take to start makeing my plants greener/healther agen?

and agen thinks for the help on this.

[Rusty Trichome]

[QUOTE=hydrocannabis;1766491 so lastnight I added 1.5 teaspoon to a gallon of water and gave it to them.
so should this work on makeing my plants greender agen?

and about how long should it take to start makeing my plants greener/healther agen?QUOTE]
I personally think it's a messed-up ph, because it appears like my plants do, when I over-adjust my water. (have adjusted the same batch of water twice by mistake a couple of times, drastically lowering my ph...only done that twice:stoned:)
I'd try not to water again till you get the ph of the water checked, and adjusted if need be. Since mag sulphate is a buffer, it can help the roots survive a ph imbalance, but IF the cause of the problem is the ph of your water, it has to be corrected before any progress can be expected.
Did you try spraying the leaves with a weak solution (1/4 strength or so) of superthrive and nutes?
Have you cleaned the leaf-litter out? (get ya doin' something while you're sitting there staring at them, lol)
New pix tomorrow?

[hydrocannabis]

should I keep trying to grow these.or start over with better soil and new seeds.
well I doo have a bunch of dank seeds I could try to grow in new better soil I could get.

first 2 pix R of how they looked on the 20th.

next 2 pix is how they look now 24th.

I was thinking that now that I have a built a bigger veg/flower cab.
I could just start over with better softer soil.

so what would any of U good gardeners do if UR plants look like this.

A) keep em and try to make em live agen.cuz 1 is a female. it showed a week 1/2 ago but thats when they looked healthy.

B) toss em out and start over from scrach.
with better water and soil.

cuz once back like 5 years ago I got 2 bagseed plants to grow 3 feet by harvest and under 4 three foot floro lights and got 1-2 ounces of bud.

:wtf::thumbsup:;):jointsmile::(:D

[Rusty Trichome]

It won't do much good trying to start your grow over. Especially if the same conditions exist next time. If ph is out of balance, the roots stop taking-up nutrients. (nute lockout)
If you want to grow cannabis to be big-n-strong, (and alive) you are going to have to get certain items to create the conditions cannabis needs for a sucessful finish.
A $6 ph test kit won't cure what ails your grow. It is however, part of a troubleshooting checklist, and could save your plants.
The ingredients to adjust you water are probably right there in your own home, but, which way do you adjust it?

-so-

It's up to you. Either get a test kit, and post the results so we can help...or start over and have this entire conversation during your next grow.
In the long run, part of learning to grow is pulling your grow from the brink of disaster. (troubleshooting)

Anyway...good luck and Merry Christmas.

[Rusty Trichome]

Your responses seemed a bit strange and elusive to me, so I figured I'd peek at some of your other posts.

From your '2nd time DWC' thread...(post 111, I think)

... thats what I nave learned over my years of growing mj.

You are going to have to be honest with those that you ask to troubleshoot problems that you are having. With years of growing experience, this conversation likely wouldn't be happening.

Either you have the years of experience and are yanking our chain, or you are pretending to have the experience, and are damaging your chances of future success.

Any time you pretend to have experience, the responses you get will likely not be detailed enough for you to properly implement the suggestions. It's ok to be a novice. Since your DWC grow didn't show much in the form of ph problems, either your tap water is acidic, (bad for soil grows if too acidic) or you are simply overwatering your present grow, IMHO.

Troubleshooting is (generally) a step-by-step process that helps eliminate possible causes of problems, one at a time, till you are left with a single culprit.

Anyway, hope you have a Merry Christmas, and good luck for the new years.

[hydrocannabis]

Your responses seemed a bit strange and elusive to me, so I figured I'd peek at some of your other posts.

From your '2nd time DWC' thread...(post 111, I think)


You are going to have to be honest with those that you ask to troubleshoot problems that you are having. With years of growing experience, this conversation likely wouldn't be happening.

Either you have the years of experience and are yanking our chain, or you are pretending to have the experience, and are damaging your chances of future success.

I realy have grown for some like 7-8 years. but I keep haveing some different kinds of problem in each of my grows.
just ask my mom. she'll tell ya. shes has come over and seen em all ove the years.

and I hope you have a Merry Christmas, and good luck for the new years ALSO.



and what ever road I take as of this grow. So If I end up starting over new better soil. then it'll be bottled water only.
and if I keep going it'll be also only bittled water.

cuz if I rember correctly I use to use bottled water back in the good ol days.

[Rusty Trichome]

An aquarium ph test kit would save shitloads of money in the long run, unless your water is rich in heavy metals, and needs to be filtered and adjusted. Even then, bottled water is such an expensive pain.

Have you let her soil dry out since adding the mag sulphate? I hope so...overwatering also causes nute lock-out, (well...root rot)and those brown spots showing up are a good sign that they need a break from moisture. If you start over with a fresh batch, check the roots on this one. Check the size of the root ball, and see if any roots are browning into a yucky mush, or tan-ish with white growing tips. (healthy) Also a good time to check and see just how moist the the soil at the bottom of the pot is. And please...let us know. Helps others to learn, too. :thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

new pix. I think they might be getting back to good health.
so I was gunna veg them for about a nother 1 1/2 months and see what that dose.

well I just hope that they keep on the track to new green growth.

and I was gunna also start some new dank seed with in the next few weeks after I get some real good soil.

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking good. I can honestly say I'm proud of you for sticking with it.
Makes it very difficult to learn how to succeed, if you don't try. :thumbsup:

So...what's up...? What did you do, and how did you do it?

May want to keep your eyes peeled for any 'stress nanners', (male parts) and should be ok to start removing the really yellow leaves with the brownish spots. At this point, they are doing no good and are expendable. Extending veg is most likely a great idea.;)
Again...good job

[hydrocannabis]

Looking good. I can honestly say I'm proud of you for sticking with it.
Makes it very difficult to learn how to succeed, if you don't try. :thumbsup:

So...what's up...? What did you do, and how did you do it?

May want to keep your eyes peeled for any 'stress nanners', (male parts) and should be ok to start removing the really yellow leaves with the brownish spots. At this point, they are doing no good and are expendable. Extending veg is most likely a great idea.;)
Again...good job


well I don't know how I did it. all I did was give them a little of the mag sulphate and a week befor that I had given them a little fish ferts.

Makes it very difficult to learn how to succeed, if you don't try. :thumbsup: U R so right.
I am also glad that I stuck with them.

and I am also gunna look for some better growing medium to use.

and thanks for stoping by rusty AND FOR THE GOOD ADVICE.

[Rusty Trichome]

well I don't know how I did it. all I did was give them a little of the mag sulphate and a week befor that I had given them a little fish ferts. and thanks for stoping by rusty

Cool. Just trying to pay forward the experience gained by listening to the pro's. (like the ones here at cannabis.com)
So do you think it was overwater, or wacky water ph? There's a test on friday. (kidding)
You still going to get the bottled water?
Cannabis seems to take this ph shit pretty seriously...so you will still want to check the waters ph, or have it checked for ya. I'm pretty sure you just can't keep correcting ph problems with mag sulphate. It can/will build-up and cause more problems.

...Rusty

[hydrocannabis]

just playing around with my new camera.I got fo X mas.


I am still worndering if I should still keep them or start over.
its like I wanna keep them and try to get em nice and big so when I flower them they can get nice sized christaly buds.
but I also hate all the yellowing leafs make the plant look like there not gunna make it. and that makes me wanna just start over. new seeds and new grow medium.

but I feel like i have come so far. and there 2 females of the 3 plants.

and should I be cliping off all the yellow leafs or just the ones most deadly looking. look at the 2ed pic.

[Rusty Trichome]

and should I be cliping off all the yellow leafs or just the ones most deadly looking. look at the 2ed pic.

If you have the room, and they haven't hermied...I'd keep 'em going.

Also, I was always taught not to 'clip' the leaves, but to pull them down, so they virtually peel themselves off of the stem. If you didn't break any part of the the leaf's stem, (or any other part of the plant) it was removed correctly.

Hmmmmm. It's been so long, I just can't remember why I was taught to do it that way. Guess I'll have start another post to find out, lol.

[hydrocannabis]

So R they looking any better.
pix taken just a bit ago.

[Rusty Trichome]

I'd remove the yellow - blotchy leaves, but others seem to think it's a good idea to keep em till they fall off naturally.
Looks like nute burn on some of the newer/surviving leaves, so may want to cut back a bit on nutes.
If you see you are getting new, green shoots...it's on it's way to being healthier. And, remember to let her dry between waterings.

[hydrocannabis]

I havent given them any nuts since the mag sulphate I gavem back around a week ago.
they have only gotten the pure life bottled water.

so I think that if I veg all of em for another 1 1/2 months they might grow good enough by then to start there flowering cycle. or so I hope.

HC.

[Rusty Trichome]

Sounds like a good plan. Keep us informed. Could help others that are in the same boat.
Good job.:thumbsup:

[Jerry Garcia 2007]

From what I can see they are on the road to recovery:)

Good work Rusty getting Hydro thru this crisis!

Hydro sonds like you have a good plan, just beware of the over loving your plants.

BOL and I will be watching your progress.

[Rusty Trichome]

Thanks, but Hydro's doin' the hard parts...(keeping fingers crossed)

[hydrocannabis]

wsup my canna com peeps. how was UR newyear. I went to a nice privet party toked up drunk up and eat up everything your house.:thumbsup: :D :stoned:

and my plants R looking better with greener new growth.:D
and there all female. no nuts at all and I am 99.9% sure there R no hermmies ether.
and I can't to see what they look like in a month 1/2.


ps: I also hope all of U ppls didn't drive home drunk. cuz I spent the night at the party and woke up to a slamin breakfast of green eggs and ham cooked by
sam I am.lol

but it was slammin.

[hydrocannabis]

well they R growing slow still.:(

and if they don't start doing better in the next 2 weeks I might realy just start over.:(

around 3 days ago I have them some blackstrap molasses water mix.

so do they look better or worse?

[Rusty Trichome]

Did you ever get a ph test kit? Adding the molassis affects the ph, and too much can cause nute lock-out. (it's way past time to get the darned water test)

Parts of the plant look good, but what's up with the foil and the dead yellow leaves? Also...are any of your tie-downs too tight around the stems?
I noticed what could be some nute burn on a couple of the leaves, (middle pix, left) Are you foliar feeding, on top of your regular nute schedule? Just curious why one set of leaves appears nute burned, but others look ok...
Also, how big is your flower cabinet?

[hydrocannabis]

I still need to get a ph test kit and I think I ma try to do it this weekend.

and no the tiedown Rn't too tight.
and I haven't foliar feed them eather.
and the growcab is 22-23 inchs long and 4 feet in hight not including the linght of the lights.
and 17-18 inches deep.

and the top of the soil feels dry BUT the middle and bottem of the soil feels wet. so what does this meen.

and I think I might start a nother plant in a 2ed and lill smaller grow box just in case the ones I have now don't make it. this way I'll have a back up plant to grow.

[Rusty Trichome]

I still need to get a ph test kit and I think I ma try to do it this weekend.
Cool. It's definatelly one of the garden tools that's worth having.


and the top of the soil feels dry BUT the middle and bottem of the soil feels wet. so what does this meen.
I let the top couple of inches of soil get pretty dry between waterings. When they need watering, I add a couple of cups of warm, ph'd water, (no nutes) then after about 5 minutes, I add the water/nute mix.

and I think I might start another plant in a 2nd and lill smaller grow box just in case the ones I have now don't make it. this way I'll have a back up plant to grow.
C'mon...you've got them this far. Don't give up now. With the knowlege gained by personal experience, comes skill.
If you can swing it, a second grow box is a very good idea. It didn't take long for me to realize that seperate veg/flower rooms are the way to go. Cuts waiting time for next crop in half. (got any cloning gel or powder?)

[hydrocannabis]

thanks much for the help. so I'll smoke one to that.
naw I ain't giving up on em yet.

so if I can tug on one of the bottem yellow fan leafs and it don't fall off.
then dose this mean that they do not needed to come off?

and 1 of my buddies says he has a thing that U stick in the soil and it can tell U the dampness of the soil or whatever.
should I say I want it.cuz he said he'd give it to me.

over and out.HC.:D

[Rusty Trichome]

You've already had problems with bugs, I'd get rid of the yellow leaves.
Is it one of the clay watering indicators you mentioned?
If so, they aren't very accurate. A few years ago I tried some in our houseplants. Were kinda ok for houseplants, but a fan would dry it out making it look like the plants need water, when they really didn't. I'd still check with my fingers to make sure.

[hydrocannabis]

ok so I stuck my fingers in the soil to see how dry it was. I put em 2 inches deep in the soil and it felt dry. so I gave it 1 of the botteled waters.

so I should cut off all the yellow fan leafs at once or like ever few hours.

and I was gunna go to my garden center to see if they have some good soft soil that I get so I can start a 2ed plant this time and it'll bee just 1 plant in the pots.

[Rusty Trichome]

ok so I stuck my fingers in the soil to see how dry it was. I put em 2 inches deep in the soil and it felt dry. so I gave it 1 of the botteled waters.
Sounds fair, lol.

so I should cut off all the yellow fan leafs at once or like ever few hours.
If worried, you can remove just the worse of them first, but almost everything to do with growing cannabis, is best done in baby-steps.

and I was gunna go to my garden center to see if they have some good soft soil that I get so I can start a 2ed plant this time and it'll bee just 1 plant in the pots.
Great idea. Make sure the soil has perlite and/or vermiculite. (better aeration, helps prevent clumping of the soil) Some brands have none.
One plant per pot will do wonders on your next grow. Won't be fighting over space and nutes.

You still growing in those rubbermaid tubs? How's the temp, humidity, light leaks and air circulation? Just curious how it's working out. Too bad you couldn't hook a chain from the ceiling to the top half. Would sure make it easier to work with the plants.

[hydrocannabis]

You still growing in those rubbermaid tubs? How's the temp, humidity, light leaks and air circulation? Just curious how it's working out.

yah the grow box is around 70-84 of temps. and I don't know what the humidity is. light leaks and air circulation R all great.
2 fans in the box.

and the soil I saw at the garden center was schultz.
It was 12.00$ and now on sell. for 3.00$.for a big bag.

so ima gunna get it tomarrow. and start one of my dank seeds I have saved.

I might start it indoors then take it outdoors around march or whenever it WORMS UP OUTDOORS.

cuz I had great luck growing 1 of my huge tomato plants I had last summer.
as seen in the pix.

so I thought I would try growing some marry jane a poppen.
:D:D:D:jointsmile:

well say good. and grow on grow on. :D :hippy: :thumbsup: :jointsmile:

[hydrocannabis]

new pix of better growth when I get back from the gym. and I now have 7 female plants growing ok and my room reaks like hell.

so they have grown back to some nice lil plants and thats all thanks to rustys great info.
:jointsmile: :D

[hydrocannabis]

Ok so here R som pix of them tonight.

and I had a question about outdoor growing.

So If I were to MYBE have to move them out to my back yeard for around 2 to 3 month under good sun.
Eather in a good homemade greenhouse or under direct sun.

So if I have to move them out to my back yeard then it would be around feb or march. texas sun + givenem TLC = bigger plant befor I flower them.

see! the reason I might have to move them out back for few months is becuz I I really need to finish some bedroom renovations.

so I was blazen a few hours ago and I was thinking they might do ok out there under the sun for just long enough to finish my room renovations.
As long as I give them good TLC they should do ok.

anyways not to the pix.

so how do they look now. and the outdoor Question is fo real.
thanks for tuning in my peeps.

o yah if the end up haveing to go out doors then they would planted in a10-15 hallon free planter with good rich soil

and they would keep beeing scroged like growing.

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking much better. Thanks for the compliment, but you were the one doing the work. Good job.
You may want to check with folks that have outdoor grow experience. I have none. I do know that you have got to be careful with putting them outside too early in the season, but beyond that...I'm clueless.

Good luck, and keep us informed with your progress.:thumbsup:

[miley]

THose are looking alot better Hydro. Keep up the good work.

[Rusty Trichome]

Well, it's been almost a week,,,
So, what's happened? How do they look now?

[texas grass]

your ladies are loving you HC!
and our texas sun should do em good. what part of texas are you in

[hydrocannabis]

well they R doing ok I guess. they have only gotten water and a little bit of blackstrap molassas.
they could be doing much better. but o well.

on the other hand my 2 hydro plants R doing nice.

[MVP]

Hey HC, where are the pics of the hydro plants? I think I missed them...

[hydrocannabis]

look in the grow log for the latest updates.

[zlessley]

I already was a dick on another log so I won't restate everything. At least you're growing!!
My personal little bit of advice, go get yourself some good basic genetics, get some organic soil (either Roots Organics or Fox Farm), get some grow bags (the white ones with black insides), and get some rainbow mix fertilizer from planetnatural.com . This works for me, you can't mess it up and you learn a lot more from a good harvest than a bad one.

As for your LST, I'm not sure you're doing it correctly, the whole point is to have the first two branches be as big as what would normally be the main cola. they should grow out in a mercedes benz pattern if that makes sense and fill in from there. This will produce perfect low stress bushes. I start them with twist-ties or wire and bend the whole plant into a 90 degree angle.

Best of luck and experiences,
Z

[ozzmosis]

Linkin Park rocks dude! Saw them on SNL just last week.

[GTMan2010]

Linkin Park is...ok....Now The Eagles... they are old skool kewl