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Coelho
11-15-2007, 05:44 AM
Im a half-christian myself, and have a question.
In this passage:
"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." Mark 11:23
Jesus doesnt say that we must ask God for throwing the mountain in the sea... it seems our faith alone is enough for doing it... also, there is some another passages like that... for example:
"And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole." Luke 17:19
"And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace." Luke 8:48
So... can i conclude that faith alone is enough for performing "miracles"?
OnionsOfLove
11-15-2007, 07:52 AM
The quote from Luke refers to the faith that the people had in Jesus that allowed them to be healed by him. Their faith allowed miracles to be worked on them, not because of them.
The quote from Mark is pretty ambiguous. Anyone who says that any geographical feature of Earth will change at some time in the future is correct. Maybe its a reference to the fact that everything changes and/or comes to an end. But at the same time I think there is more going on than just this.
twoguysupnorth
12-07-2007, 04:15 AM
yes Faith alone is all you need. What else do we have? Miracles you ask. Don't they happen every day? Look around you and then answer your own question.
Coelho
12-07-2007, 04:35 AM
yes Faith alone is all you need.
Well... its exactly what i think... but i would like to know what is the "official" christian opinion... cause i think my (and your) view are not exactly the same of the "official" chistianism...
beachguy in thongs
12-07-2007, 08:36 AM
Without faith, you're nothing.
Well... its exactly what i think... but i would like to know what is the "official" christian opinion... cause i think my (and your) view are not exactly the same of the "official" chistianism...
How does this "official christianity" work? In order to become a christian, you need to believe in Christ. That's official enough.
My father always tells me to "keep the faith", and, that's good advice for you.
Keep the faith.
MadSativa
12-07-2007, 08:52 AM
Hahah I thought it said questions for christmas, Im so blazed right now..................haha
"everyone knows santa clause died for our presents" -420 24-7 (canna, homie)
Blahaha
meloncoly
12-07-2007, 11:15 AM
lol @ christians
hazetwostep
12-07-2007, 03:14 PM
asking for the official christian stance is tough considering the faith has broken into literally hundreds of denominations over similar interpretations of scripture.
most would probably reply though that it is only through jesus that these things can be done as to keep him the focus of power and authority. the would point out that faith can only come through jesus giving it to you so you could not remove one from the other.
StickyfingahZ
12-07-2007, 04:54 PM
Faith without works is nothing....Just having faith alone is not enough.......you can be a firm strong believer in jesus,and be out there murdering people and raping and stuff,but just cause you believe in jesus....doesnt mean you'll go to heaven.
dragonrider
12-07-2007, 07:13 PM
Yes, and this is why Muhamed had to go to the mountain instead of the other way around:
If the mountain won't come to Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_the_mountain_won't_come_to_Muhammad)
twistpipe109
12-07-2007, 10:12 PM
Jesus spoke alot of metaphors, and parables. I do believe faith is everything, even though it is a very hard thing to have at times. Faith was the healing of those people internally: what I think those verses mean, and in turn is a 'miracle' itself.
MadSativa
12-08-2007, 02:14 AM
[quote=beachguy in thongs]Without faith, you're nothing.
well said, I owe you a rep, I am trying but it wants me to spread it around, ..............."I can never do nuthing" -gerorge lopez
QUOTE]
klondike_bar
12-08-2007, 03:07 AM
one thing to keep in some form of check with ANY spiritual teachings or history is that its not always a perfect documentary. plus, the books of the desciples were not written by the desciples themselves, but rather by thier followers, many years later, and then translated and interpreted many times to become the complete bible today.
over time, jesus wading acroos a small pond could be turned into walking on water...
either way, its more than hard facts, there is much interpretation that can, and must, be done
jdmarcus59
12-16-2007, 09:19 PM
Im a half-christian myself, and have a question.
In this passage:
"For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith." Mark 11:23
Jesus doesnt say that we must ask God for throwing the mountain in the sea... it seems our faith alone is enough for doing it... also, there is some another passages like that... for example:
"And he said unto him, Arise, go thy way: thy faith hath made thee whole." Luke 17:19
"And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace." Luke 8:48
So... can i conclude that faith alone is enough for performing "miracles"?
it depends on what you put your faith in.
foodsy
12-16-2007, 11:34 PM
Faith without works is nothing....Just having faith alone is not enough.......you can be a firm strong believer in jesus,and be out there murdering people and raping and stuff,but just cause you believe in jesus....doesnt mean you'll go to heaven.
Yeah it does. There is ONLY, and I mean ONLY, one unforgivable sin. And that sin is blasphemy. You can rape, pillage, murder, steal, lie, cheat, and just be nasty all you want, as long as you repent in the name Jesus, and you don't blaspheme, you'll get into heaven (supposedly.)
beachguy in thongs
12-18-2007, 11:01 AM
over time, jesus wading acroos a small pond could be turned into walking on water...
When my father's car was on fire, one early morning, I ran out of the house to get his keys out, and, as I ran up to his door, a large frozen puddle was in front of it. I slipped, lost both of my feet, yet I was able to regain my balance.
I walked on water to get the keys from the fire.
Ah, here we go again... :)
angry nomad
12-18-2007, 12:02 PM
When my father's car was on fire, one early morning, I ran out of the house to get his keys out, and, as I ran up to his door, a large frozen puddle was in front of it. I slipped, lost both of my feet, yet I was able to regain my balance.
I walked on water to get the keys from the fire.
Wow. Heheh.
I used to be a Christian, and the reason I am not is because I had faith in miracles, and they did not happen. If we just needed faith, and we could do greater works than Jesus, there would be no sick people in the world, because all the Christians would run around healing them. Think about this: Why has God never made an amputee's limb grow back?
Try and get your whole church to pray for an amputee's limb to grow back, and it won't work.
dragonrider
12-18-2007, 04:42 PM
Yeah it does. There is ONLY, and I mean ONLY, one unforgivable sin. And that sin is blasphemy. You can rape, pillage, murder, steal, lie, cheat, and just be nasty all you want, as long as you repent in the name Jesus, and you don't blaspheme, you'll get into heaven (supposedly.)
Is sodomy with a goat forgivable?
Maybe there's hope for me after all...
tacostation420
02-06-2008, 09:27 AM
first post... but maybe i can help clarify:
mountain = government and or religious hierarchy mountain (corruption)
sea = the people (us common folks)
so if you wanna see it removed or cast into the sea,
all you need is faith to set things straight ;)
StickyfingahZ
02-06-2008, 05:33 PM
I dont think Faith alone is all you need.
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
He also goes on to say stuff like if you love me keep my commandments.
I aint a bible pro or anything,just my opinion,that in order to be like jesus(perform miracles ie move mountains) you have to Be like Jesus.
You know,maybe live your life in the service of others.
Iambreathingin
02-06-2008, 08:17 PM
Wasn't the bible a rewrite?
So surely trying to take literal meaning from translations is....abit of a nut job pass time?
If anything, each man has his own idea of what the bible says. Don't fight about who's right and who's wrong, that's not very christian atall, and being that the truth really does have no name...why not strive to understand perspectives you find strange and sometimes, scary?
My own Buddhist perspective.
beachguy in thongs
02-07-2008, 08:47 AM
I aint a bible pro or anything,just my opinion,that in order to be like jesus(perform miracles ie move mountains) you have to Be like Jesus.
You know,maybe live your life in the service of others.
According to The History Channel, young Jesus used his powers for himself.
Coelho
02-07-2008, 09:46 AM
According to The History Channel, young Jesus used his powers for himself.
Yet, according to the Bible, Jesus refused to use His powers for himself, even being hungry after 40 days fasting in the desert.
And personally, i think a book written by people from His own time is more accurate than a documentary written by people 2000 years after Him.
beachguy in thongs
02-07-2008, 10:03 AM
Yet, according to the Bible, Jesus refused to use His powers for himself, even being hungry after 40 days fasting in the desert.
And personally, i think a book written by people from His own time is more accurate than a documentary written by people 2000 years after Him.
The stories are coming from the discovery, in the 1940's, of the Gospels found in a cave. Nag 'something'.
My head's been jumbled up since I read about it.
Coelho
02-07-2008, 10:14 AM
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8
beachguy in thongs
02-07-2008, 10:18 AM
"The Gospel according to Mary" was one of those texts.
Or, was it "The Gospel of Mary"?
beachguy in thongs
02-07-2008, 10:24 AM
I remember them saying, "Now, why wasn't the Gospel of Mary included in the bible? If anyone would have been included, you'd think..."
beachguy in thongs
02-07-2008, 10:39 AM
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed." Galatians 1:8
You're scaring me with that quote!
I preach nothing! I only recall.
palerider7777
02-08-2008, 04:09 AM
asking for the official christian stance is tough considering the faith has broken into literally hundreds of denominations over similar interpretations of scripture.
most would probably reply though that it is only through jesus that these things can be done as to keep him the focus of power and authority. the would point out that faith can only come through jesus giving it to you so you could not remove one from the other.
lol thats way off base seeing god gave us free will, meaning we choose to have faith.jesus don't give u faith u either believe or u don't.
Mr. Clandestine
02-08-2008, 05:35 AM
Think about this: Why has God never made an amputee's limb grow back?
Why does God allow suffering? Why does God allow sickness, and death, and misery? Why isn't Gods world - not ours - perfect?
Well, God allows these things because it allows us to rely more on Him, and less on ourselves. And in many cases, great suffering can bring a person closer to God and give them a better understanding of why they're in pain. In the beginning, things were perfect, but, if you believe in the Bible, then you also believe in the fall of Adam & Eve, which led to our cursed, sinful nature. Had the decision been made to never disobey the Lord, we'd have never known suffering and sin. (We were created in His image, after all.) But because of our nature, we must prove that we're deserving of eternal life by following (and believing) in Christ, and spreading His word to the anyone who will listen.
Faith may not be able to move mountains, but it can perform miracles... like saving us from our sins.
beachguy in thongs
02-09-2008, 03:17 AM
I would think that God does not allow suffering. We allow ourselves to suffer. Viruses attack us. We kill insects.
dragonrider
02-09-2008, 06:34 AM
Why does God allow suffering? Why does God allow sickness, and death, and misery? Why isn't Gods world - not ours - perfect?
Well, God allows these things because it allows us to rely more on Him, and less on ourselves. And in many cases, great suffering can bring a person closer to God and give them a better understanding of why they're in pain.
Sounds like sort of a Divine Munchausen by Proxy --- that can't be it.
Mr. Clandestine
02-09-2008, 07:56 AM
Sounds like sort of a Divine Munchausen by Proxy --- that can't be it.
Again, many Christians believe that if it weren't for the fall of Adam & Eve, this world would have remained perfect... and we'd have never felt suffering, pain, or death. In my opinion, it may just be God making the best of an already bad situation. Most of the suffering on this earth is caused by the acts of man, not God. Regardless, suffering still brings many people closer to God because it teaches us compassion for our fellow man. It teaches those of us who remain faithful how to minister to others who are suffering with compassion and conviction. God wants us to become living images of Himself, but we're not going to be forced to accept His divinity. Still, every time one of us is able to comfort another by helping them place their burdens in the hands of God, even during times of GREAT suffering, then we're being more like Him... or more precisely, like His Son. God suffered when He watched the world crucify Jesus, not because He was powerless to stop it, but because He knew it had to be done... and so did Jesus. In this case, immense suffering became the greatest act of love. He wasn't just doing it for the attention...
I'm not very well-versed in the Bible, and so can't quote any scriptures to back up what I'm trying to say. I can't claim to truly understand the meaning of suffering, but I can tell you to read the story of Job... maybe you'll get a better understanding of why we suffer.
beachguy in thongs
02-09-2008, 12:11 PM
Again, many Christians believe that if it weren't for the fall of Adam & Eve, this world would have remained perfect... and we'd have never felt suffering, pain, or death. In my opinion, it may just be God making the best of an already bad situation. Most of the suffering on this earth is caused by the acts of man, not God. Regardless, suffering still brings many people closer to God because it teaches us compassion for our fellow man.
Some stories, such as Noah's ark, may have been parables. At their time, they didn't have The Weather Channel or The History Channel, explaining why the Earth was once covered with water. The lifeforms, that existed through it, passed down the information in their genes. It developed as a memory, until language was created and personified everything.
That sounds good. Some religious scholars believe that many of the Old Testament stories are parables, and, that God was created through the creation of language.
If fish could talk...
palerider7777
02-09-2008, 02:58 PM
Why does God allow suffering? Why does God allow sickness, and death, and misery? Why isn't Gods world - not ours - perfect?
Well, God allows these things because it allows us to rely more on Him, and less on ourselves. And in many cases, great suffering can bring a person closer to God and give them a better understanding of why they're in pain. In the beginning, things were perfect, but, if you believe in the Bible, then you also believe in the fall of Adam & Eve, which led to our cursed, sinful nature. Had the decision been made to never disobey the Lord, we'd have never known suffering and sin. (We were created in His image, after all.) But because of our nature, we must prove that we're deserving of eternal life by following (and believing) in Christ, and spreading His word to the anyone who will listen.
Faith may not be able to move mountains, but it can perform miracles... like saving us from our sins.
very well said!!!
palerider7777
02-09-2008, 03:01 PM
Some stories, such as Noah's ark, may have been parables. At their time, they didn't have The Weather Channel or The History Channel, explaining why the Earth was once covered with water. The lifeforms, that existed through it, passed down the information in their genes. It developed as a memory, until language was created and personified everything.
That sounds good. Some religious scholars believe that many of the Old Testament stories are parables, and, that God was created through the creation of language.
If fish could talk...
lmao
palerider7777
02-09-2008, 03:57 PM
Again, many Christians believe that if it weren't for the fall of Adam & Eve, this world would have remained perfect... and we'd have never felt suffering, pain, or death. In my opinion, it may just be God making the best of an already bad situation. Most of the suffering on this earth is caused by the acts of man, not God. Regardless, suffering still brings many people closer to God because it teaches us compassion for our fellow man. It teaches those of us who remain faithful how to minister to others who are suffering with compassion and conviction. God wants us to become living images of Himself, but we're not going to be forced to accept His divinity. Still, every time one of us is able to comfort another by helping them place their burdens in the hands of God, even during times of GREAT suffering, then we're being more like Him... or more precisely, like His Son. God suffered when He watched the world crucify Jesus, not because He was powerless to stop it, but because He knew it had to be done... and so did Jesus. In this case, immense suffering became the greatest act of love. He wasn't just doing it for the attention...
I'm not very well-versed in the Bible, and so can't quote any scriptures to back up what I'm trying to say. I can't claim to truly understand the meaning of suffering, but I can tell you to read the story of Job... maybe you'll get a better understanding of why we suffer.
all i'll say is read samuel 8, 1-20 that should tell u everything u need to know. im guessing most people won't understand what it means but read it.oh and btw it's not often i see another on here with a good understanding on life and god. stay with what u believe ur on the right track
Mr. Clandestine
02-09-2008, 05:18 PM
all i'll say is read samuel 8, 1-20 that should tell u everything u need to know. im guessing most people won't understand what it means but read it.oh and btw it's not often i see another on here with a good understanding on life and god. stay with what u believe ur on the right track
Thanks for the kind words & recommendation, I'll be sure to read through Samuel again. To be honest, there are a lot of passages I need to reacquaint myself with. I couldn't win a game of "Name That Scripture" to save my life! ;)
palerider7777
02-11-2008, 06:29 PM
Thanks for the kind words & recommendation, I'll be sure to read through Samuel again. To be honest, there are a lot of passages I need to reacquaint myself with. I couldn't win a game of "Name That Scripture" to save my life! ;)
lol me either.
dragonrider
02-11-2008, 07:12 PM
Again, many Christians believe that if it weren't for the fall of Adam & Eve, this world would have remained perfect... and we'd have never felt suffering, pain, or death.
I've never liked the idea of original sin. I don't like the idea that one act by Adam and Eve cursed us all to a life of suffering, pain and death. This idea of The Fall from Grace puts the blame on us for all the suffering in the world. Many put more blame on Eve. And I dislike the idea that I bear guilt for a sin that supposedly was committed by someone else.
It's been a long, long time since I read any William Blake, but as I remember it, he had an alternative for the Fall. In his idea, the Fall was not due to some act of mankind. I don't remember how his idea worked, but the result was that everything in creation was somehow fractured. Everything was somehow spilt into components of a single whole, and we were all driven to put the pieces back togather. One example was the male and female components of the single whole of humanity. Love and sex were our attempts to reconcile the split and rejoin together and reachieve Grace. But the result is always another copy of our imperfect fractured selves. Again, I do not remember this very well, so if someone wants to correct any mistakes I made, please do.
I think all of the ideas of a fallen state of grace are just allegories and ways to explain why the world is not perfect and why we suffer. None of them are really literally true in my opinion. But I guess I preferred the Blake allegory over the traditional Christian allegory.
Mr. Clandestine
02-11-2008, 07:56 PM
I think all of the ideas of a fallen state of grace are just allegories and ways to explain why the world is not perfect and why we suffer. None of them are really literally true in my opinion. But I guess I preferred the Blake allegory over the traditional Christian allegory.
To each his/her own, my friend. Whether or not the fall was entirely allegorical is up to the reader to decide, and really depends on whether or not you're reading it with a religious perspective. Spirituality makes people believe some crazy things, this obviously doesn't just apply to Christians. You can look at things "logically", and conclude that for original sin to be true, there'd have to be an omnipotent being who made it so. Logically, this is impossible to do. But taking on a religious perspective, and actually making it a point to believe (and trust) in the divinity of God and Christ, makes the creation story, fall of man, crucifixion/resurrection, and many other stories of the Bible believable once again.
I found that as a kid - with a very active imagination, I might add - it was easy to believe in the Bible. As I grew older, I took the same route that far too many have taken, and questioned the authority of God. And for a while, denounced it altogether. I searched for answers elsewhere and found many interesting theories, and lots of speculation, but never anything that satisfied my desire to better understand life and the possibility of an afterlife. Eventually I picked up a Bible again, and started reading it from an objective standpoint. I started to make sense of things that were constantly in question, and eventually took on a whole new outlook on life. Similar to the outlook I had when I was a kid, only from a slightly more mature perspective. Every time I pray, I feel like a child that's looking to a Father for forgiveness, or comfort, or just some advice. God may not manifest Himself before me and make me understand the answers to my questions, but His guidance is easy for me to recognize... especially after transitioning from the bitter atheist that I once was, to the Christian that I've become. I can feel His influence in my life, which makes it slightly easier for me to believe, I guess.
palerider7777
02-15-2008, 04:15 AM
I've never liked the idea of original sin. I don't like the idea that one act by Adam and Eve cursed us all to a life of suffering, pain and death. This idea of The Fall from Grace puts the blame on us for all the suffering in the world. Many put more blame on Eve. And I dislike the idea that I bear guilt for a sin that supposedly was committed by someone else.
It's been a long, long time since I read any William Blake, but as I remember it, he had an alternative for the Fall. In his idea, the Fall was not due to some act of mankind. I don't remember how his idea worked, but the result was that everything in creation was somehow fractured. Everything was somehow spilt into components of a single whole, and we were all driven to put the pieces back togather. One example was the male and female components of the single whole of humanity. Love and sex were our attempts to reconcile the split and rejoin together and reachieve Grace. But the result is always another copy of our imperfect fractured selves. Again, I do not remember this very well, so if someone wants to correct any mistakes I made, please do.
I think all of the ideas of a fallen state of grace are just allegories and ways to explain why the world is not perfect and why we suffer. None of them are really literally true in my opinion. But I guess I preferred the Blake allegory over the traditional Christian allegory.
lmfao
palerider7777
02-15-2008, 04:46 AM
To each his/her own, my friend. Whether or not the fall was entirely allegorical is up to the reader to decide, and really depends on whether or not you're reading it with a religious perspective. Spirituality makes people believe some crazy things, this obviously doesn't just apply to Christians. You can look at things "logically", and conclude that for original sin to be true, there'd have to be an omnipotent being who made it so. Logically, this is impossible to do. But taking on a religious perspective, and actually making it a point to believe (and trust) in the divinity of God and Christ, makes the creation story, fall of man, crucifixion/resurrection, and many other stories of the Bible believable once again.
I found that as a kid - with a very active imagination, I might add - it was easy to believe in the Bible. As I grew older, I took the same route that far too many have taken, and questioned the authority of God. And for a while, denounced it altogether. I searched for answers elsewhere and found many interesting theories, and lots of speculation, but never anything that satisfied my desire to better understand life and the possibility of an afterlife. Eventually I picked up a Bible again, and started reading it from an objective standpoint. I started to make sense of things that were constantly in question, and eventually took on a whole new outlook on life. Similar to the outlook I had when I was a kid, only from a slightly more mature perspective. Every time I pray, I feel like a child that's looking to a Father for forgiveness, or comfort, or just some advice. God may not manifest Himself before me and make me understand the answers to my questions, but His guidance is easy for me to recognize... especially after transitioning from the bitter atheist that I once was, to the Christian that I've become. I can feel His influence in my life, which makes it slightly easier for me to believe, I guess.
i would post a message sent by one of the mods when she banned me, and u could clearly see how wrong it was, and i did nothing wrong. but i asked about it and posted the whole thing and they deleted it and told me if i brought it up again i'd be banned again.
so i won't but just be careful what u say on here as once they know how u believe it's like having cross hairs on u. so if i get banned again u will know why just by writing this might get me banned again. no free speech
Mr. Clandestine
02-15-2008, 05:25 PM
so i won't but just be careful what u say on here as once they know how u believe it's like having cross hairs on u.
I generally try to be cordial to those I meet here, and keep MOST of my religious views to myself. Every once in a while I'll get involved with off-topic religious discussions just for some extra fun. But I've got plenty of time in my personal life to discuss spirituality, and only limited time to cruise around these forums and learn something new. It's also much easier for me to participate in theological discussions when done in-person. I think it's because I'm one of those kinds of people who makes a lot of random hand gestures when they talk, and it's kinda difficult to flail my arms around while typing!
Try not to take it too personally, brother. The mods have been deleting all kinds of posts and banning all kinds of people, so it's not just you. I think they're under certain new obligations from the site owners, and are "cleaning up" all over the place for professionalism purposes and such. I've had a few posts that got deleted because the entire thread was deleted by a mod. Some of them I really spent some time on, too. But they were just doing what they had to do. And I just lost a paragraph or two that took 15 minutes to type. No harm done. I'm sure if you try to have a insightful discussion with a moderator about extraction fans, water-cooled HIDs, C02 enhancement, genetic anomalies in cannabis, etc., you'll find that they're pretty receptive to what you have to say. :D
Keep up the faith, man. Let your actions and deeds be how you show your love for God. Don't let people here get you down.
palerider7777
02-18-2008, 04:19 AM
I generally try to be cordial to those I meet here, and keep MOST of my religious views to myself. Every once in a while I'll get involved with off-topic religious discussions just for some extra fun. But I've got plenty of time in my personal life to discuss spirituality, and only limited time to cruise around these forums and learn something new. It's also much easier for me to participate in theological discussions when done in-person. I think it's because I'm one of those kinds of people who makes a lot of random hand gestures when they talk, and it's kinda difficult to flail my arms around while typing!
Try not to take it too personally, brother. The mods have been deleting all kinds of posts and banning all kinds of people, so it's not just you. I think they're under certain new obligations from the site owners, and are "cleaning up" all over the place for professionalism purposes and such. I've had a few posts that got deleted because the entire thread was deleted by a mod. Some of them I really spent some time on, too. But they were just doing what they had to do. And I just lost a paragraph or two that took 15 minutes to type. No harm done. I'm sure if you try to have a insightful discussion with a moderator about extraction fans, water-cooled HIDs, C02 enhancement, genetic anomalies in cannabis, etc., you'll find that they're pretty receptive to what you have to say. :D
Keep up the faith, man. Let your actions and deeds be how you show your love for God. Don't let people here get you down.
yes i know i've learned as long as i don't talk about god then it's fine so i've said what iv'e had to say on the matter and now im just sticking to the other than god forums.
Mr. Clandestine
02-18-2008, 04:51 AM
yes i know i've learned as long as i don't talk about god then it's fine so i've said what iv'e had to say on the matter and now im just sticking to the other than god forums.
Might be for the best. As much as I feel compelled to give my opinion about God in many of these threads, I often just keep silent unless I have something meaningful to add to the conversation... or someone has asked a specific question about my beliefs. I try not to be contradictory in threads I didn't create, as this generally just starts arguments with people. I think this is a pretty nice community, so I feel it's often better to remain silent so as not to agitate the delicate boundary between civil disagreements and all-out flame wars.
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