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pisshead
11-14-2007, 02:28 PM
inject your child with poison, or go to jail...

sounds like freedom! this'll show those freedom hating terrorists!!!

Parents Must Immunize Their Children Or Go To Jail Mark Century
TruthNews (http://prisonplanet.com/articles/november2007/141107Immunize.htm)
Wednesday November 14, 2007
Prince Georges County, MD
1,600 school children and their parents have been ordered to appear in circuit court this Saturday where health workers will immediately force them to receive required shots. Parents who don?t bring their children to court for the shots are to be jailed.

We can do this the easy way or we can do this the hard way, but it?s going to have to get done.? said State Attorney Glenn Ivey.

Psycho4Bud
11-14-2007, 02:46 PM
For what reason wouldn't you want your kid vaccinated for chicken pox and hepatitis B? It's a state requirement that doesn't cost the family a dime. They even tried door to door!

Have a good one!:s4:

PharmaCan
11-14-2007, 03:18 PM
For what reason wouldn't you want your kid vaccinated for chicken pox and hepatitis B? It's a state requirement that doesn't cost the family a dime. They even tried door to door!

Have a good one!:s4:

As a Baby Boomer, I grew up in an America where the scourges of epidemics and childhood diseases had affected almost every family, either directly or indirectly. (My father had a sister who died from some silly childhood disease.) The ravages of polio were evident everywhere, and one of my worst fears as a child was that I might someday end up in an iron lung.

Subsequent generations never had to deal with these horrors. To them, vaccines aren't a miracle of science, but rather an imposition on their freedom of choice.

Sad....

PC :smokin:

Ghengis Chron
11-14-2007, 03:53 PM
I can understand the strong need for everyone to be immunized. However, it seems almost strange that American citizens could be put in jail for not taking a shot?

It just seems like everywhere I look, slowly but surely, our government is forcing us to do what THEY want, conforming us, to what THEY think we need to do, it makes me real uncomfortable.

I don't see how people can just sit back and allow all of this to go on. We can't smoke a friggin' weed that provides so many positive services? But we can smoke tobacco that kills hundreds of thousands of Americans annually? We're not legally old enough to drink alcohol, yet were legally old enough to "fight for our country"? Immigration is a BAD thing, yet (aside from the poor Native Americans) every single one of us was originally an immigrant?

Something just isn't right...And according to Thomas Jefferson, it is up to us (the people) to change things. That's why I completely disagree with our "occupation" in Iraq. If Hussein was such a tyrant, if should've been up to the Iraqi people to overthrow him. If I've learned anything from history it's:

A.) It's up to the people to change things if conditions aren't conducive to their living happily. It's up to the people to Right the Wrong

and

B.) War is ALWAYS about money, and for America, there's ALWAYS been an excuse to go to war

Breukelen advocaat
11-14-2007, 03:59 PM
I guess anti-vaccination people like Alex Jones and Dr. Ron Paul would like to see a resurgence in various diseases. I not only remember posters like the one below, from the 1950's, but I have a cousin who had polio as well.

pisshead
11-14-2007, 05:18 PM
I can understand the strong need for everyone to be immunized. However, it seems almost strange that American citizens could be put in jail for not taking a shot?

It just seems like everywhere I look, slowly but surely, our government is forcing us to do what THEY want, conforming us, to what THEY think we need to do, it makes me real uncomfortable.

I don't see how people can just sit back and allow all of this to go on. We can't smoke a friggin' weed that provides so many positive services? But we can smoke tobacco that kills hundreds of thousands of Americans annually? We're not legally old enough to drink alcohol, yet were legally old enough to "fight for our country"? Immigration is a BAD thing, yet (aside from the poor Native Americans) every single one of us was originally an immigrant?

Something just isn't right...And according to Thomas Jefferson, it is up to us (the people) to change things. That's why I completely disagree with our "occupation" in Iraq. If Hussein was such a tyrant, if should've been up to the Iraqi people to overthrow him. If I've learned anything from history it's:

A.) It's up to the people to change things if conditions aren't conducive to their living happily. It's up to the people to Right the Wrong

and

B.) War is ALWAYS about money, and for America, there's ALWAYS been an excuse to go to war


exactly, if i want don't want to put a vaccine with mercury or thimerosal in my body or my kid's body, i shouldn't be forced to...

we've seen autism go from one in tens of thousands to one in 150, always after rounds of shots loaded with neurological disorder causing poison...

but take it, it's good for you, or go to jail.

enjoy your freedom.

Psycho4Bud
11-14-2007, 05:29 PM
RISKS
Chickenpox - vaccine
The side effects from the chickenpox vaccine are generally minor. Some of the mild possible side effects include:

Fever
Pain and swelling in the shot location
A mild rash
Only in very rare instances have more moderate or severe reactions been reported, including:

Seizures (less than 1 out of 1,000 children)
Pneumonia (very rare)
Anaphylaxis (a severe allergic reaction; very rare)
Other reactions, such as low blood counts and brain involvement, are so rare that their link to the vaccine is questionable.


Hepatitis B vaccine
SIDE EFFECTS

Most infants who receive the HBV vaccine have no side effects. Others may have minor problems, such as soreness and redness at the injection site or a mild fever. Serious problems are rare and are mainly due to allergic reactions to a component of the vaccine.

CONSIDERATIONS

If the child is ill with something more serious than a cold, the hepatitis B vaccine may be delayed.

If the child has a severe allergic reaction to baker's yeast, they should not receive the hepatitis B vaccine.

If severe allergic reaction occurs after receiving the hepatitis B vaccine, no further HBV vaccines should be given to the child.
MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: Hepatitis B vaccine (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002022.htm)

"Paranoia Will Destroy Ya"

Have a good one!:s4:

texas grass
11-14-2007, 05:32 PM
not everyone needs vaccines. there are lots of people that have very strong immune systems and dont get sick. and another thing if you start pumping your body with drugs you will have to have drugs to maintain a well state of being. i am against that. the same thing goes as how many people around here wont use chemicals on their plants because they dont want to put synthasized chemicals in them. today they are finding more and more problems with all the drugs our parents us wifes and others take today. and what pisshead was sayin about autism

what happened to freedom of choice? only a TRUE AMERICA HAS FREEDOM OF CHOICE

Subjekt
11-14-2007, 05:47 PM
omg you people who say "take the shot its free" you'll be a slave soon, if you didnt notice the gov is "GOING" to install a micro gps chip in everyone and whats the best way to do that? Hmm lets see, how bout we poison everyone time at a time and when there weak enough we can control them however we want..... America land of freedom my ass...

Oh and btw, the micro chip is going to be in the govs control, so if you "dont do what they want" then they can turn your chip off and its goodnight too ya...

Now thats freedom

"Ignorance will kill ya"

pisshead
11-14-2007, 05:50 PM
and not to mention, everyone i know who received no vaccines in their lives hardly ever get sick and are the healthiest people i know...

i should have the option of not being told by any government to take a shot. you're not living in a free country if you're forced to take a shot.

Ghengis Chron
11-14-2007, 06:46 PM
What's the most efficient and easiest way to get people to take a "vaccine"? Scare them into it.

Where is this flu epidemic EVERYONE was talking about 2 or 3 years ago...?

Breukelen advocaat
11-14-2007, 06:57 PM
not everyone needs vaccines. there are lots of people that have very strong immune systems and dont get sick. and another thing if you start pumping your body with drugs you will have to have drugs to maintain a well state of being. i am against that. the same thing goes as how many people around here wont use chemicals on their plants because they dont want to put synthasized chemicals in them. today they are finding more and more problems with all the drugs our parents us wifes and others take today. and what pisshead was sayin about autism

what happened to freedom of choice? only a TRUE AMERICA HAS FREEDOM OF CHOICE

If they have "very strong immune systems" then the vaccines won't hurt them. It's also wrong that people's religious beliefs allow them to legally avoid vaccinations.

There is no scientific evidence that vaccines cause autism. However, many parents of autistic children claim to have successfully treated autism by removing gluten and casein from their (children's) diets.

darkside
11-14-2007, 07:07 PM
the only shot ive gotten in the past few years is a tetanus shot after i got an infection. there is no reason for little kids to get a hepatitis shot unless they are shooting smack or fucking a filipino hooker.

PharmaCan
11-14-2007, 07:54 PM
I have a six-year-old son, so I recently went through all the soul searching and researching and opted for the vacinations. Part of my decision was no doubt influenced by having seen the actual benefits of vaccinations. But, it was my decision and, if I had opted out of the vaccinations, neither I nor anyone else should go to jail for that decision.

In any event, aren't vaccinations required for a child to attend public school? Here in California, when my son started school they made it clear, in no uncertain terms, that he had to have his vaccinations up to date or they wouldn't allow him to attend.

PC :smokin:

rebgirl420
11-14-2007, 07:57 PM
Good, i'm glad that their taking it to this level. I don't want to sit next to anyone who's not vaccinated. Shit, when I had cancer my white blood levels were low. Meaning that I had to avoid being around people because if I were to get sick I could die. Now what if the person besides me never got vaccinated and was a carrier of some messed up disease? Well I could get it and die.

Luckily my white blood cells are fine now. But still, I wouldn't want to risk my childrens health or mine.

VoidLivesOn
11-14-2007, 08:22 PM
yeah but if you're to hard headed to take a shot that in the end might effect me and my family why would i want you to live near me?

and its funny how war, and freedom is still broguht up in a discussion just as simple as a vaccine shot.

Psycho4Bud
11-14-2007, 08:26 PM
and its funny how war, and freedom is still broguht up in a discussion just as simple as a vaccine shot.

You forgot about the "chip implants".....

Have a good one!:s4:

VoidLivesOn
11-14-2007, 08:27 PM
haha oh yeah the chips

darkside
11-15-2007, 07:02 PM
yeah but if you're to hard headed to take a shot that in the end might effect me and my family why would i want you to live near me?

and its funny how war, and freedom is still broguht up in a discussion just as simple as a vaccine shot.

if YOU are vaccinated, then you have nothing to worry about. its your choice to get vaccinated, and their choice not to. its not going to affect you or your family. government has no right to make decisions about someones body or health. they dont own your body and mind.

texas grass
06-14-2008, 09:40 AM
themestream.com (http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?c_id=132550&id_list=&cookied=T)

What Is In A Vaccine???

by Shauna Wood

August 9, 2000



I definitely choose not to vaccinate my children AT ALL. Most people don??t have any clue about what is in a vaccine, let alone the harm that it does on the human body. Here is a description of most of the ingredients in vaccines and how they are made. This information came directly from vaccine package inserts, the Center for Disease Control and the Physician??s Desk Reference. They are all reliable sources that can not be disputed against.




A simple look at the making of a vaccine

In general there are two major types of vaccines: those made of bacteria and those made of viruses. Vaccines are further distinguished as being live or dead. Dead vaccines are inactivated through heat, radiation or chemicals. Before a live vaccine is deemed suitable for human use it must be weakened. This is done by serial passage. This means that the vaccine is passed through viable tissue several times (sometimes as many as fifty times) to reduce it??s potency. Many different species may be used for this purpose; monkeys, chick embryos and even surgically aborted human fetuses are used. Once the virus is weaker it must be strengthened with disinfectants and stabilizers such as but not limited to streptomycin, sodium chloride, sodium hydroxide, aluminum, hydrochloride, sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin, formaldehyde and thimerosal a mercury derivative.
A BREAKDOWN OF WHAT IS IN VACCINES:
Diphtheria, Pertusiss, Tetanus vaccine

Cultured diphtheria bacterium, pertussis (whooping cough) organism and Tetanus Toxin.

>From modified Cohen-Wheeler broth

Sodium chloride

Sodium Hydroxide (also known as lye, caustic soda, soda lye.) Is corrosive and is an Eye, skin and respiratory irritant. Can burn eyes, skin and internal organs. Can cause lung and tissue damage, blindness and can be fatal if swallowed. Found in oven cleaners, tub and tile cleaners, toilet bowl cleaners and drain openers.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Hydrochloric acid: CAN DISTROY TISSUE UPON DIRECT CONTACT! Found in aluminum cleaners and rust removers.

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages. causes cancer.

Phosphates: suffocates all forms of aquatic life. Found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

Our government wants your child to receive 5 injections.
Measles, Mumps and Rubella vaccine

Live measles and mumps virus grown in cell cultures from chick embryos. Live rubella virus grown in human diploid cells (human aborted fetus) Wistar RA 27/2 strain grown in aborted fetus originating from the tissues of a fetus aborted in 1964 after the 25 year old mother developed rubella. Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, hydrolyzed gelatin.
Also other preservatives, unknown to me which ones

The government wants your child to receive 2 shots of these 3 vaccines=15 !
Polio-live

Contains 3 types of live polio viruses. Grown in African green monkey kidney cell culture and calf serum.

Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, streptomycin.
Polio-inactivated/dead

Contains 3 types of live polio viruses. Grown in African green monkey kidney cell culture and calf serum.

Sorbital, neomycin antibiotic, streptomycin.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.
Polynyxin B

The government wants your child to receive 4 servings of that.
HIB

Haemophilus influenzae type B

Sacchaarides

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages.

They want ya to vaccinate your child with this 4 times.
Hepatitis B

Derived from fermentation cultures of a recombinant strain of yeast containing the hepatitis gene.

Aluminum: toxic, cancerous.

Thimerosal: mercury derivative (does contain mercury.) Extremely dangerous preservative. Made from a combination of Ethylene Glycol (AKA antifreeze!!!) and ethanol, thiosalicylic acid, sodium hydroxide and ethyl mercuric chloride. These chemicals are nerotoxic, dangerous, fatal and easily cause brain and liver damages.

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Note about this vaccine: is not approved by the FDA for use on newborns.

Vaccinate 3 injections
Varicella Zoster ???â???Chicken Pox

Varicella vaccine virus is a live vaccine created from the lung tissue of two aborted babies at three months gestation, one boy and one girl.
Sucrose

Monosodium Glutamate known as MSG: toxic preservative and flavor enhancer. Found in many foods especially Asian foods. Used as a stabilizer in vaccines. Prevents heat, light and acidity from changing the vaccine??s state.
Processed gelatin

Formaldehyde: A neurotoxin and carcinogen (effects the nervous system and known to cause cancer.) May cause insomnia, coughing, headaches, nausea, nosebleeds, and skin rashes. Commonly known to embalm corpses. It has been said that there is no safe level of formaldehyde to be ingested into the body.

Phosphates: suffocates all forms of aquatic life. Found in laundry and dishwasher detergent and cleaners.

Government says 3 doses of this vaccine





New vaccines such as the ??ear infection? vaccine are on its way. Actually the ??ear infection? vaccine is being used right now, though it??s not officially recommended. Look for a ??Super vaccine? coming soon, a vaccine with everything in one shot, and the AIDS vaccine. And but of course the long awaited vaccine spliced into our produce so all we have to do is eat a banana to get inoculated.



Hope you learned a lot

Blessed Be,

and please watch out






Copyright Shauna Wood

About the author: Shauna Wood has been writing poems and stories since she was eight years old. Her Teachers told her that she would be a writer, even though she insisted she would be an actress. She was born and raised in Las Vegas, NV. She met her husband Scott in 11th grade. They both have strong backgrounds in art and theatre. Their daughter Charlotte is three and was born in a hospital. Their 6-month-old little boy Sage was born at home unassisted. Shauna and her whole family live and run Indian Springs Campground and Resort in Missouri. In fact Sage was born in one of the cabins at the resort! Only Scott and Charlotte were there to witness that sacred event. Shauna caught Sage herself in a squatting position. Shauna has many books she is working on. She is a student of the world who loves to teach about childbirth and has taught many people about various aspects of health; including: unassisted birth, the effects of vaccination and environmental and food safety issues.

ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER.













this stuff isnt supposed to be in the body at all, if it was then your god would have put it in us. its not right to force someone to take vaccines



not only that there is scientific evidence that most of these diseases were almost extinct before the vaccine was introduced and after introduced the epidemic rose and the actual disease started to evolve to fight and survive

texas grass
08-15-2008, 04:56 PM
i got a good argument for ya.

if your vaccines work so wonderfully/godly like then why are you scared of a healthy baby passing a disease on to your kid that had the vaccine. if the vaccine works so good you shouldnt be scared of a sick baby or a healthy one.
oh but wait you can still catch the disease, and when you inject the kid you give them the disease and then some. so they can catch it more than 1 time

im not goin to vaccinate my kid against diseases that have been already eradicated for the most part

Gandalf_The_Grey
08-15-2008, 07:02 PM
Go to jail because you don't agree with the government's mandate on how to manage one's health? Sure, why not! Big brother knows best, who are we to tell them how to care for our own kids? Or maybe... we're setting a dangerous precedent now?


The government and it's organizations have a looooonnng list of products that they assured us were safe; only to find out later "oops! turns out this causes cancer/autism/suicidal thoughts" ect. Do you all honestly have such faith that when government assures us something is safe, it'll always turn out to be as such? These are the same guys that are still convinced oxycontin and morphine are a safer and better drug for chronic pain patients than cannabis.


Psysicians and scientists are starting to hotly debate this; just check out some of Dr. Mercola's stuff. They've told us for years that vaccinations are 100% safe; now the CDC and doctors/scientists all over have admitted that 2% of the population have a mitochondrial disorder that does indeed trigger autism and other mental health problems when given certain basic vaccines. Or is the philosophy, "oh well that's just 2%, no biggie!". 300 million Americans, 2% with this mitochondrial disorder; that means if you all take the mandatory vaccines for fear of going to jail, that 6 million people will be in dire risk of developing severe cognitive defects. Before this recent discovery, however, nobody knew how vaccines could cause any health problems; so it's all safe I tell's ya!


Science is constantly evolving, new information always turning up to surprise us. To imprison honest citizens for not having faith in the current understanding's of medical science is just insane; especially when the government has an obvious record of bullshittng it's citizens our what is and isn't good for us.

painretreat
08-15-2008, 08:00 PM
Until you have or see the results in your own child of vaccine problems, I doubt you can undestand. I for one, have all mine and get them when I need them. I know I won't get out of this world alive, in the end! But, I'd like to have a brain whle I am here and not have people fear me.

My friend's son is now 20; He got his vaccine's and drove she and her husband crazy. Asberger's (a form of autism)! He likes to toss knives at them among other things. They call him their birth control. The guilt and how my friend weeps at having made the decision to 'poison' her own son. Now, he is very violent, has been kicked out of so many schools, even Military Acad. Jr. Hi! He has been and still is a full time job for both of them. Her husband would come home from work, sometimes 5 times a day, to keep the son from killing her! IT IS SICK AND SAD.

At first, I use to laugh at the 'birth control' thing. After 15 years of what he has and most likely will do to them, I fear the call of my friend being found dead or anyone that disagrees with this vaccinated guy!


The young, elderly and sick have little immune systems. However, there are tests that can be taken, titer's; to find out your level of immunity!

Most people on this site have a lot of the disease's like mentioned, would you have taken the vaccine?

When you are getting Chemo, for example, you can get anything! We told sick people and children getting vaccines not to come to the house, they did anyway! Then when I took my chemo mom to the ER, I was told: We'll know in 2 hours if she'll live or die! Depends on the exposure to germs and disease! As with anything else, the fact that the lack of vacination could kill someone you love is more motivation to vaccinate than I can find. But, I have seen both sides first hand in my personal life!

I would get my vaccine to see a sickly person that I loved! Even if I had to wait a few months to visit! I would take the risk to be with a loved one! I am also old enough to make my own choices!

Chip Implants--no way!

I think the issue here, for me, lies in "Gov't control!" We as a nation and world, need to do more to educate and relax with freedom to choose and pray we made the right decision.

If it is free, there has to be something wrong with it??? I have heard that somewhere! pr:rastasmoke:

GreenDestiny
08-15-2008, 08:50 PM
People will try to fight natural selection til the end of time.

We have such a terrible time developing our own immunities to things because of all the sterilizing chemicals we use on things, plus the man-made vaccines.... oh, and antibiotics.

Not to mention, when I was young I definitely remember getting some of my shots... those HUGE guaged needles that they jab into your small arm really hard... traumatizing... nothing like the tiny guaged needles they got now that you can't even feel go into you.

Wouldn't be surprised if any of the shots fuck around with our chromosomes a bit.

Setting ourselves up for a mystery epidemic to wipe out a hefty % of population. *sniff* *cough* mmmm.....

birdgirl73
08-16-2008, 02:46 PM
Vaccines haven't done anything but help our natural immunities, Green Destiny. That's precisely how they work--inoculating people with attenuated or dead versions of viruses and, in a few cases like the pneumonia and meningitis vaccines, bacteria--to cause the immune system to step up to the plate in a way that protects folks from the full-blown version of the disease. They work by quite literally boosting our immunities.

Natural selection is one thing, but epidemic disease prevention is quite another. Over-use of antibiotics, not vaccines, is what we can attribute bacterial-resistant infectious disease to (like MRSA and VRSA). We're fairly certain that that problem is not so much because of antibiotic over-use as it is because people often don't finish their antibiotics and so the infections stay present and have the opportunity to re-develop in an antibiotic-resistant way.

Vaccines save quite literally millions of lives a year. There are people who don't believe this because we're now living in an age in the developed western world where we don't see these epidemic pediatric diseases like we used to. I wouldn't hesitate to vaccinate a child and want to encourage people who believe they shouldn't to talk seriously with their physicians or nurse-practitioners or to visit third world countries and have a look at those diseases in action. Heck, come see me in Dallas and I'll take you with me to Parkland for a day and show you our immigrant population lining the walls of the emergency room with unvaccinated babies and children who're desperately ill from whooping cough (pertussis). You'll change your mind real quickly. I'm with Reb on this. I wouldn't want my kid exposed to children who hadn't been vaccinated.

Kids need to be vaccinated. Teenage girls need the cervical cancer vaccine. College-aged students need the meningiococcal vaccine. Adults need regular boosters of their childhood vaccines. Nearly everyone needs flu shots, although some years they're more effective than others. Adults past 50 and others, like me because I have heart rhythm trouble and asthma even though I'm not 50 yet, need the pneumonia vaccine. At-risk populations need the hepatitis A vaccine. One of these days we'll have an AIDS vaccine and even more cancer vaccines. When that happens, I'll be the first in line for those, too.

RobPA
08-17-2008, 10:02 PM
There are extremes to every belief. Personally I think people should have the choice of immunization, unless it was a CDC emergency or Viral warfare was being used on US soil and everyone NEEDED it for there personal Survival and was an extreme risk to the general population. I still believe people should have the right to choose. Personally I would get the shots.

DaBudhaStank
08-19-2008, 12:37 AM
One of these days we'll have an AIDS vaccine and even more cancer vaccines. When that happens, I'll be the first in line for those, too.

It's too bad a lot of people here would RATHER have AIDS than have a chance to fight it, provided they do come up with a vaccine.

I mean, who KNOWS what could go in that vaccine, but whatever it is it's DEFINITELY worse than what it's curing.

Oi.....some people surprise me. The pro's for vaccines are soooooooooooooo much higher than the cons. Like.....survival. That's usually my favorite.

Also, someone mentioned that vaccines aren't even supposed to be in the body. Yeah.....neither is marijuana, or any kind of smoke for that matter. To be honest, vaccines have done far more for human health and survival than weed ever has (or ever will.) I full endorse medical marijuana, because it has numerous beneficial effects, but it's not gonna keep you from getting sick or cure you when you do. Sorry, but keep you're dying, sickly children from my (possible) future ones.

HOWEVER. The fact that you don't have a choice is just damn ridiculous. If people wanna kill their children, it's their business and their fault, but they shouldnt have to go to prison.

P.S. Birdgirl I'm not saying this all to you, just using your quote for a moment.

birdgirl73
08-19-2008, 01:29 AM
Birdgirl I'm not saying this all to you, just using your quote for a moment.
10-4 on that DaBudha. I could pretty much tell it was not a singularly Birdgirl-directly reply.

I'm all for choice, myself. Parents deserve the right to choose, and there are children in vulnerable medical populations who have legitimate reasons not to be vaccinated. I just want adults to make fully informed choices on the vaccination question. As one of the earlier posters said, it's hard to fear a disease you've never seen and base a decision to vaccinate on that, but it's absolutely accurate that vaccines save millions of lives. They do. If I had a little kid, I wouldn't want him around unvaccinated kids, that's for sure.

painretreat
08-19-2008, 03:11 AM
Birdgirl, I have not read the reserch on MRSA/VRSA--interesting. Enjoy the medical view point made with such well articulated facts! Take you antibiotics for a few days, quit and get a worse disease!

This is a very good reason to listen to your Dr. instructions and do what they tell you. I don't mean, everything, make intelligent choices. You have the right to refuse tests you don't need, if you feel it is being done for your pocket money or the test may have long term harm with repeated use of testing device. Use your head. I have known many that do not take their full presciptions or won't give them to the child for the entire routine, because the spoiled little brat put up a fit. (don't spoil them so much).

Fact is, the adult is responsible for the choice and it isn't fair to expose other people to a preventable disease.

I've been vaccinated for hepatitis since it has been around. I fear it, maybe more than aids. Which is another one I'd get along with just about every one that has come down the pipeline! Especially, CANCER.

Just because you are healthy today, is all the more reason to get your shots! No one is sure of tomorrow. Tomorrow, you could get in an accident and be in the hospital for a long time. You risk exposure to the disease's you could have prevented when you were healthy.

Hindsight 20/20! Prefer to choose to look forward with safety. pr:hippy:

GreenDestiny
08-19-2008, 05:37 PM
Yeah I won't argue with the fact that vaccines have saved millions of people's lives.

I know it's supposed to boost the immune system, but it's doing it in a way that's not very natural. I still think we should be allowed the choice to develop natural immunities without having to take some potentially harmful chemicals even if the pro's outweigh the con's.

And I guess I'm one of the unfortunate bastards that should have been filtered out of the gene pool by diseases. Immune system has been total shit most my life. Even sticking to the full schedule of antibiotics made me feel worse in the end. And doctors still gave me more after the regular round was finished. What did I get from it all? Crohn's. Too bad I have no case for a lawsuit.

Now that I refuse to take any unnatural medicines I'm able to heal from illnesses usually within a couple days, instead of weeks or months.

rockyraccoon
08-19-2008, 06:42 PM
Vaccines: The Deadly Cure - Immunization Dangers and the Global Revolt Against Vaccines (http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/vaccines/index.htm)

texas grass
08-19-2008, 07:18 PM
Watch Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices Documentary Online - DocumentaryWire.com (http://www.documentarywire.com/vaccines-the-risks-the-benefits-the-choices/)

texas grass
08-19-2008, 07:20 PM
heres a good documentary about vaccines, the data comes from the cdc, who, and medical journals, and pediatrics institutes, and well versed indepentant phds

Watch Vaccines: The Risks, The Benefits, The Choices Documentary Online - DocumentaryWire.com (http://www.documentarywire.com/vaccines-the-risks-the-benefits-the-choices/)

Treetops
08-20-2008, 01:50 PM
Thought this was interesting...

Vaccines Found to Cause Diabetes in Children (http://www.naturalnews.com/023902.html)

Gandalf_The_Grey
08-23-2008, 04:43 AM
Couple in hiding with 2-day-old son to avoid vaccination: report - Yahoo! Canada News (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080823/world/health_australia_vaccine_hepatitis_justice)


Very interesting recent news story on the subject.