New setup looking for large yields

[yiGity]

:baggy:

Im about to start a new grow project in a spare bedroom in my house. Im going all out in this one, purchasing the Hydrohut deluxe all in one ultimate combo which comes with the following:
All-In-One Ultimate growing package # 2 comes complete with:
1 - 4'x8' Hydrohut
1 - Sunlight Supply GroPro Dual 600w ballast
2 - Cool Tube reflectors
2 - 600w Hortilux bulbs
1 - 6" EcoPlus inline centrifugal fan (light exhaust)
3 - Dual flange kits (light exhaust)
1 - CAN 33 Combo filter/fan (humidity exhaust, fertilizer odor control, CO2 levels)
1 - Ebb & Gro 12-plant system
2 - 50 liter Hydroton growing medium
1 - General Hydroponics Flora Nova Grow - gallon
1 - General Hydroponics Flora Nova Bloom - gallon
1 - General Hydroponics Diamond Nectar - quart
1 - General Hydroponics Floralicious Bloom - quart
1 - 25' aluminum ducting
9 - 6" metal clamps for ducting
1 - G.H. ph down liquid - quart
1 - G.H. ph up liquid - quart
1 - PH test kit
1 - Sunleaves TDS meter
1 - TDS meter calibration solution
1 - Sunleaves min/max thermometer-hygrometer
http://www.4hydroponics.com/order/specialu2.asp(link)
(Im also adding a complete 1500 PPM c02 kit, and a oxygen bubbler system)
I'am also thinking about putting another 1000W HPS in the box for a grand total of 2200W HPS for the 12 plants. I'am ordering Seeds from Dutch Passion thinking about using two different strains i have narrowed it down to Powerplant, Skywalker, White Widow, Blueberry and Mazar. These are high yielding plants and very potent aswell, I'm looking to get the largest possible yeilds without hurting the THC potency. I'am going off this book "Cannabis Cultivation by Mel Thomas" he mentions secondary budding which can increase yeild by 25% is that a legit method? In the overall picture im looking to get a Half Pound atleast a plant if not more in a 4-5 month cycle under these conditions. I'm still kind of a new to growing and can use any advice an experienced grower at this scale could provide.

Thanks

[xcrispi]

The links dead for me ???
What do they get for all that gear , I'm almost scared ?

I'd avoid the D/P Blueberry. I got a 10pk. recently and 6 were twisted leaf mutant bullshit .

4' x 8' - 12 buckets , 1/2 lb. ea. = 6 lbs .
I'm not seeing it happen in that small an area . I see a NOOB w/ damn good luck getting 2 lbs. outa 4-6 buckets in it tho.

I'm getting about a lb. per bucket w/ a similar but larger type system but 2 of my plants would fill that hydro hut . Do a search on here for some of Weedhounds grows on here , she's gettin 8oz. plants - 4 of her plants might fit in that hut . More plants isn't always more weed . You'd have all the sweet gizmos and cool tools all in 1 place w/ that kit , just got some reading , research to do now .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

[yiGity]

yeah that is definately true regarding size and what not. i'm still in the process of figuring out / designing a grow room that will be suitable for what im trying to produce. what do you suggest? build my own box or is there another alternative into what im trying to accomplish with atleast 8oz a plant. let me know any suggestions you have or what you are currently using yourself.

[PharmaCan]

You would be much better off with two 1,000 watt lights. A 4'x4' footprint is kinda big for a 600 watt. You would also be better with reflectors instead of cool tubes - you'll get better light distribution.

JMO

PC :smokin:

[malabar]

I concur with the comment about Dutch Passions blueberry. All 10 of mine were twisted mutants also. I ordered them about a year ago and was severely disappointed.

[DurbanStone]

I remember hearing about DP blueberry, don't they mention on their site something about that...*checks*


nope, nothing, I must have read it somewhere. I ordered some DP Passion #1, they worked fine. What happend with the blueberries?

[Doc 007]

I think you want Floralicious Plus as opposed to Floralicious Bloom with that mix.

[Opie Yutts]

You would also be better with reflectors instead of cool tubes - you'll get better light distribution.

You're supposed to have a reflector on your cool tube.

[Opie Yutts]

2200 watts of HID is going to melt a 4'x4' space. Have a fire extinguisher close by.

[zoomatl]

Xcrispi is right i had the same issue out of a 5 pack of dp blueberry...4 twisted and turned and looked awful then died only 1 survived and it had a high leaf to bud ration ...wont be gettting that again, at least not from there ....for sure...!!

[stinkyattic]

Hydrohuts are built with a 600HPS in mind.
Stick with Power Plant for the whole thing if you want good yield, good flavor, and no issues with a strain that just decides it's going to be twitchy on ya. I'd avoid BB. Heard too much BS about it. I'll never grow the stuff.
From seed, start 30 and aim to flower 18 females in 3-5 gallon pots.
From clone (you'll save a good female for a mother... right? :D), flower 32 at 8" or so in 3 gallon pots.
You'll see why the different numbers later, lol.
Good luck.

[yiGity]

I dont really understand waht your saying "Flower 32 at 8' or so in 3 gallon pots" ? I heard nothing but bad news about blueberry so im not gona go with it, gona try the powerplant feminized seeds. What do you suggest as far as my setup goes, i heard the hydrohut really isnt worth the money because you cant grow your plants as large as you would like. Should i build my own setup? How much light do you think im going to need to produce atleast a half pound a plant?

[stinkyattic]

Do me ONE favor please before I give you any more advice...
Stop trying to get 'a half pound a plant' and so forth. Don't even ASK. It's not worth the explanation, and the question itself illustrates a lack of knowledge about how growing works.
A plant with a half pound yield is gonna be a MONSTER and take about a dog's age to veg. It's NOT efficient. Period. You've gone and wasted a lot of time and watts and ferts on growing lumber. If you have a limit on plant count, or simply enjoy caring for a very large 'pet' cannabis plant, fine, but you sound like a would-be cashcropper so any advice I give is in light of that.
Go by this formula:
0.5 grams per watt of HPS lighting in the flower room per month in flower.
Given 1200 watts in your flower room and a strain that takes 8 weeks to finish, you do the math as to what your yield goal should be.
The hydrohut is DEFINITELY worth the money for a few reasons. I personally know a few people who happily run them. You have the space to grow as large a plant as it is practical to grow indoors. A plant too tall for a HH is too tall to be grown under lights efficiently anyway...
When I say flower 32 clones at 8" (INCHES not feet) in 3 gallon pots, I am telling you how to make the most efficient use of that setup by going SOG under 1200 watts starting with female clones.

[Opie Yutts]

I heard nothing but bad news about blueberry so im not gona go with it

Your loss. There is absolutely nothing wrong with BB, in fact, just the opposite is true. It's got wonderful flavor, it looks cool, it's a good yielder, it's fairly hearty, and it has over 20% THC. What the hell is not to like?

And try very carefully to comprehend each thing that stinky says. She will not steer you wrong.

[bud luv]

Dude build your own hut with 2x4's and double-layer panda plastic. Frame in a D/H and an A/C and you don't even need all that other exhaust crap. Temp and Humidity dialed in, Sealed room for 300 bux (if you buy a used DH).

You will definitely need some DH action in that room if you're running hydro.. a fan is not going to get your humidity low enough at night in that setup. Price aside, you're better off with a sturdy 2x4 frame that you design yourself with everything in mind (and can screw add-ons into later). Saving $1000+ is just a bonus.

[klondike_bar]

2200watts of hps!? thats enough to grow 20-30 plants, and is gonna fry 10 plants.

stick with the 600w ers, i doubt youll even need em both. prepare to use a huge fan to suck out the hot air

[yiGity]

Dude build your own hut with 2x4's and double-layer panda plastic. Frame in a D/H and an A/C and you don't even need all that other exhaust crap. Temp and Humidity dialed in, Sealed room for 300 bux (if you buy a used DH).

You will definitely need some DH action in that room if you're running hydro.. a fan is not going to get your humidity low enough at night in that setup. Price aside, you're better off with a sturdy 2x4 frame that you design yourself with everything in mind (and can screw add-ons into later). Saving $1000+ is just a bonus.

bud luv - Yeah thats what i was thinking i can just build my own setup to my own sizes and what not. Question on the D/H what does that stand for? A/C = air conditioning?

[bud luv]

DH = Dehumidifier.

Without it your plants will be moldy. You must have one with hydro, there are no exceptions. :jointsmile:

[bud luv]

2200watts of hps!? thats enough to grow 20-30 plants, and is gonna fry 10 plants.

stick with the 600w ers, i doubt youll even need em both. prepare to use a huge fan to suck out the hot air

I don't think you understand how growing pot works, no offense.

The number of plants doesn't matter. It's the distance/heat from the light that matters. You could use 2200 watts to grow a fat ass tree if you wanted.

[yiGity]

bud luv - thanks man tryin to get this shit figured out so i can set her up by new years.

[bud luv]

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[bud luv]

This is a very archaic version of what I was talking about..

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/96478-new-project.html#post1161472

You got all that open wood in there which means you can frame in an AC and a DH so they're half inside/half outside the room. Get a double stacked piece of panda to put over the front and tuck around the side with duct tape. Easy in, easy out, 100% lightproof. A lot of that thread is just me thinking out loud, I figured out that you don't need any of the sophisiticated exhaust stuff, just an AC and a DH and some fart fans going across the lights.

[yiGity]

Nice nice appreciate it man. stay up!

[stinkyattic]

Panda film is bomb. A DIY mock-hydrohut isn't hard to build. Try PVC pipe as a frame if you want to be able to break down with few tools. 2x4s are sturdier but lend themselves best to a semi-permanent structure. If you build with 2x4s, do yourself a favor and drill them to accept carriage bolts to join members. This will make it easy to take down with nothing but a socket wrench. Remember to corss-brace to add rigidity; a collapsing grow box is a NIGHTMARE lol!

[bud luv]

The problem with PVC though is that it's not strong enough to frame in the AC or DH.

[PharmaCan]

You're supposed to have a reflector on your cool tube.

The cool tube comes with a built-in reflector, but they don't work very well.


I don't think you understand how growing pot works, no offense.

The number of plants doesn't matter. It's the distance/heat from the light that matters. You could use 2200 watts to grow a fat ass tree if you wanted.

As a matter of fact, klondike_bar has never grown a single gram of smokable pot. But that doesn't stop him from spreading misinformation all over this forum.

PC :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

Right, that's true. You'd have to go up to quite a large diameter to take that sort of weight.

[MVP]

As a matter of fact, klondike_bar has never grown a single gram of smokable pot. But that doesn't stop him from spreading misinformation all over this forum.

PC :smokin:

:S2:

[Opie Yutts]

DH = Dehumidifier.

Without it your plants will be moldy. You must have one with hydro, there are no exceptions. :jointsmile:

Well here I have to disagree. I've never used one. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. I would not buy one until I know I need one, and I would not put one in if I already had it, just because someone says I should. MJ likes 60 humidity. If anything I need a humidifier, since mine rarely goes above 30. If you get mold you need more ventilation, not necessarily a dehumidifier.

Like I've always said, I like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and let them fight it out.

[Opie Yutts]

I figured out that you don't need any of the sophisiticated exhaust stuff, just an AC and a DH and some fart fans going across the lights.

Wow, you figured that out? I wish I could figure out how to use 2200 watts of HID in a 4x4' space, without ventilation. Because an AC and DH damn sure aint going to do it. That is unless you are putting in one of those AC units that are rated to do about 4 rooms.

[Opie Yutts]

The problem with PVC though is that it's not strong enough to frame in the AC or DH.

Not sure about this, you can build some pretty strong shit with PVC. You don't even have to glue it together, to aid in disassembly. But I guess it would take a bunch of vertical studs under an AC that does 4 rooms.

[bud luv]

Well here I have to disagree. I've never used one. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. I would not buy one until I know I need one, and I would not put one in if I already had it, just because someone says I should. MJ likes 60 humidity. If anything I need a humidifier, since mine rarely goes above 30. If you get mold you need more ventilation, not necessarily a dehumidifier.

Like I've always said, I like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and let them fight it out.

I guess that has to do with geography. Around here your humidity will go to 90% with the lights out, and I've seen that in a variety of different rooms/setups.

[bud luv]

Wow, you figured that out? I wish I could figure out how to use 2200 watts of HID in a 4x4' space, without ventilation. Because an AC and DH damn sure aint going to do it. That is unless you are putting in one of those AC units that are rated to do about 4 rooms.

Didn't he say an 8x4 space? 2200 watts in a 4x4 space would probably be a different story (and overkill/inefficient).

a window AC unit and a DH framed in so that the exhaust goes outside of the gro-box does wonders. Don't knock it till u tried it. I bought an AC and a sophisticated exhaust setup, installed the AC, then realized air-cooling the hoods was frivilous... I returned 'em the next day... I run exactly 70-75 degrees, but it might be different in your climate/conditions.

[bud luv]

Didn't he say an 8x4 space? 2200 watts in a 4x4 space would probably be a different story (and overkill/inefficient).

a window AC unit and a DH framed in so that the exhaust goes outside of the gro-box does wonders. Don't knock it till u tried it. I bought an AC and a sophisticated exhaust setup, installed the AC, then realized air-cooling the hoods was frivilous... I returned the vortex'z the next day... I run exactly 70-75 degrees, but it might be different in your climate/conditions. :rastasmoke:

[bud luv]

Not sure about this, you can build some pretty strong shit with PVC. You don't even have to glue it together, to aid in disassembly. But I guess it would take a bunch of vertical studs under an AC that does 4 rooms.

Possible? yes
Better than wood? Not for me.


Between an AC and a DH you have about 90 lbs of weight, and for best effectiveness they need to be elevated. I'm sure there is a way to support that much weight with PVC, but I don't see a good reason to risk one of those tubes cracking and a 50 lb D/H falling on the plants. Also I'd rather hang my lights from 2x4s than on relatively long horizontal PVC tubes (unless theyre the really thick/expensive tubes). As far as breaking it down quickly, it doesn't take that much time to unscrew 20-30 deck screws, which is all you need. I"ve broken those rooms down in a matter of a couple hours before. Also wood is much cheaper than the PVC that would be strong enough for all this. I mean there's no doubt that you could construct one of these rooms with PVC, but it would be expensive. Wood also has the nice benefit of being able to painlessly mount instruments on it and add onto it with the pull of my drill trigger.

But to each his own. :thumbsup:

[PharmaCan]

If you want to support something like an a/c in a pvc frame, you can screw a piece of plywood to the pipe and mount the a/c in the plywood. It has to be a pretty sturdy pvc frame, though. 1 1/2" is probably the smallest you could use.

PC :smokin:

[PharmaCan]

Possible? yes
Better than wood? Not for me.


Between an AC and a DH you have about 90 lbs of weight, and for best effectiveness they need to be elevated. I'm sure there is a way to support that much weight with PVC, but I don't see a good reason to risk one of those tubes cracking and a 50 lb D/H falling on the plants. Also I'd rather hang my lights from 2x4s than on relatively long horizontal PVC tubes (unless theyre the really thick/expensive tubes). As far as breaking it down quickly, it doesn't take that much time to unscrew 20-30 deck screws, which is all you need. I"ve broken those rooms down in a matter of a couple hours before. Also wood is much cheaper than the PVC that would be strong enough for all this. I mean there's no doubt that you could construct one of these rooms with PVC, but it would be expensive. Wood also has the nice benefit of being able to painlessly mount instruments on it and add onto it with the pull of my drill trigger.

But to each his own. :thumbsup:

I build everything out of wood too, but then I have the tools and the expertise to do so. Building a wood frame is easy for some, impossible for others. Almost any idiot can piece together pvc.

PC :smokin:

[bud luv]

Well here I have to disagree. I've never used one. I'm pretty sure others don't use them. I would not buy one until I know I need one, and I would not put one in if I already had it, just because someone says I should. MJ likes 60 humidity. If anything I need a humidifier, since mine rarely goes above 30. If you get mold you need more ventilation, not necessarily a dehumidifier.

Like I've always said, I like to put a humidifier and a dehumidifier in a room and let them fight it out.

Also I was talking about in the context of hyrdo. If you have good ventilation in a soil garden I could see it possibly not being necessary. Again this might be a geography thing, 30% humidity in any context is unheard of around here.

[bud luv]

I build everything out of wood too, but then I have the tools and the expertise to do so. Building a wood frame is easy for some, impossible for others. Almost any idiot can piece together pvc.

PC :smokin:

True. I like playing with my wood. :giggity:

[Opie Yutts]

I too prefer wood, guys. I have a truckload of woodworking tools and equipment. Literally. I've got pressure treated 4x8's, and a pair of stained and lacquered oak dice that I CNC'd words into, and a lot of stuff in between. You guys that can imagine the workings of CNC woodworking tools, try to imagine how you can router words into a very small 6 sided object. I've worked with wood all my life and brought home a decent paycheck from it too. I've also built some things out of PVC that worked great and cannot be beat in terms of tear down. Not even close to wood. Just don't glue it together and it comes right apart. No screw gun needed, and no need to worry about if I charged the batteries, and whether I should wait for batteries to charge, or try to dig out my old corded drill. I also don't have to worry about if I should put the screws in my pocket and let them poke me constantly, or try to find some container to put them in, or try to remember what bin or bag I got them from, or whether I should sort them properly or just put them all together.

And I too was talking about hydro and 30% humidity. That's in my grow room, not my house.

[Opie Yutts]

And for those of us with ruptured disks, PVC is oooh sooo much lighter.

[yiGity]

I'm thinking about going with "Arjans Ultra Haze #1" from greenhouse seeds. It is a sativa and grows pretty tall, im going to need to build a pretty big box if i want to grow a couple of these. I have a whole room to work with and money is not an issue, how big should i be looking at making this box?

[Opie Yutts]

I'm thinking at least 6 feet tall, 8 or 10 would be better. You can always keep it smaller if you use a screen to keep them down. You can also go a little less tall if you use fluorescent lighting instead of HID (not recommended). Don't forget to plan on spending as much on venting as you do on lighting if you do HID. If you are only doing 2 plants 3x3' wide and deep should be plenty, or even 2x2'. If space and money were not an issue, I would build it bigger rather than smaller. I would also have a separate veg and bud area so I could harvest twice as often. 2 plants ever 4 months will not keep you supplied, especially if you are generous. (search sog and scrog) Don't forget a mother area and a cloning area so you can clone after your first harvest. Way easier and faster than seeds.

I sure wish money were not an issue in my life. Sigh...

[bud luv]

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[bud luv]

You're going to want to make it as tall as possible, in my opinion. Sativas get really tall.... and making a high box gives you lots of wiggle room for you light heights. 6 feet is not enough as 2-3ft can be taken up by your hydro setup and the lights. And don't forget you need a space between the lights and the plants. 8 is great, in anything less than 7 I'd consider scrogging. Hell, the taller the better.

As far as your room size and money not being an issue.. I need specifics... How big is the room and how much are you really ready to spend? 3, 5, 10?

[PharmaCan]

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Very insightful. I agree with you 100%! :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

[bud luv]

lol

[Opie Yutts]

If you have a room, you don't need a box at all, unless you will be using the room for stuff that interferes with the light schedules. If you build a cabinet or box, like bud luv says, taller is better. I don't know if you have 10' ceilings, but I would make it that tall if so, or however tall your ceiling is. And if money were really not an issue, I would probably spend about 50 thousand on one room.

[Opie Yutts]

Very insightful. I agree with you 100%! :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

Yeah, what does "..." mean anyway?

[bud luv]

it was an accident...

[PharmaCan]

Yeah, what does "..." mean anyway?

I dunno - but I've been puffing on some "early" Widow and it pretty much signified my state of mind at the time. LOL

PC :stoned:

[Opie Yutts]

Didn't he say an 8x4 space? 2200 watts in a 4x4 space would probably be a different story (and overkill/inefficient).

My bad, sorry for the confusion. It was 8x4. So I guess take whatever I said and divide that in half. I know it is 100% my fault, but in my defense I offer a stoney minds rendition of this from PharmaCan:

You would be much better off with two 1,000 watt lights. A 4'x4' footprint is kinda big for a 600 watt. You would also be better with reflectors instead of cool tubes - you'll get better light distribution

(WELL PERHAPS I SKIMMED A LITTLE TOO, CAN'T REMEMBER.)

PharmaCan, I also am wondering if you and I are talking about the same reflector for the cool tube. Are you talking about the one that comes with the cool tube, or one that you can buy as an accessory, that is bigger and more realistic? I only grow in a 3x3 space, but my plants never seem to show a need for more light, and I use a cool tube. I don't use the aftermarket reflector though. My tube is encased in a thing that vents the tube and supplies air flow for the plants, as it is reflecting light, since it is white.

[yiGity]

The room i have to use is approx 25x12 square room i have about 5 g's for the setup and everything else needed

[stinkyattic]

I'll say again... you want large yields, go for a strain that is well-suited to a sea of green and a proven commercial producer. You're looking for minimal stretch as part of this package. I personally consider hazes to be headstash lines. That's just my opinion... that indica structure is so easy to deal with in a small commercial grow.

[Opie Yutts]

Well said.

[Opie Yutts]

I would use sog or scrog and have x2 1000W MH and x3 1000W HPS. About x6 23W CFL for the mother and clone section. Your money will be about gone after those lights and the ventilation required, so I would stick with some DIY DWC set up for the grow method. And since the VP is such a VIP, perhaps it would be best if we kept it on the QT, or we could all end up MIA and be put on KP.

[yiGity]

I would use sog or scrog and have x2 1000W MH and x3 1000W HPS. About x6 23W CFL for the mother and clone section. Your money will be about gone after those lights and the ventilation required, so I would stick with some DIY DWC set up for the grow method. And since the VP is such a VIP, perhaps it would be best if we kept it on the QT, or we could all end up MIA and be put on KP.


Yeah thats what i was thinking with the SOG. A couple questions what is DIY DWC, VP, QT, KP? Im leaning towards this hydro system
Texas Hydroponics :: Hydroponics :: Hydroponic Systems :: Bucket Systems :: Ebb & Gro Hydro System Complete (http://www.texashydroponics.com/shop/Ebb-Gro-Hydro-System-Complete-p-2287.html)
Are the standard 2 gallon pots that come with these too small for the size plants im aiming at?

[Opie Yutts]

1. A couple questions what is DIY DWC, VP, QT, KP?

2. Im leaning towards this hydro system
Texas Hydroponics :: Hydroponics :: Hydroponic Systems :: Bucket Systems :: Ebb & Gro Hydro System Complete (http://www.texashydroponics.com/shop/Ebb-Gro-Hydro-System-Complete-p-2287.html)

3. Are the standard 2 gallon pots that come with these too small for the size plants im aiming at?


1. I am so sorry. There I go again confusing the hell out of people. I guess I just felt like I was on a roll, spitting out all those abbreviations, then that line from the movie "Good Morning Vietnam" suddenly popped into my head and I just kept writing.

SOG - Sea Of Green
SCROG - SCreen Of Green
x2, x3, x6 - Two each, three each, six each
W - Watt
MH - Metal Halide
HPS - High Pressure Sodium
CFL - Compact Fluorescent Lighting
DIY - Do It Yourself
DWC - Deep Water Culture
VP - Vice President
VIP - Very Important Person
QT - Quiet Time
MIA - Missing In Action
KP - Kitchen Patrol

Except for the dumb ones, these and many more can be found in this sticky:

http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/134670-what-does-everything-mean.html

I highly recommend those unfamiliar with the lingo take a look.

2. That should do the trick. I like the way you can expand it to suit your needs and available space, and it can have a footprint that is an irregular shape. With that system you can have a lot of "roots in air" time, which is really good. Keep in mind that you need to be able to move either the plants or the lights if you do SOG. Also don't forget that the flowering section will need to be light-proof, or at least away from the veg sections' lighting schedule. I think it's fairly easy to unfasten those buckets and move them. I think you could raise the pump a couple inches, then drain the lines by undoing the last one in each line.

3. I think 2 gallon pots are perfect for what you are trying to do. Unless you are going to veg for an abnormally long time (you usually do just the opposite in SOG), the buckets will provide plenty of room for the roots of 1 plant.

[yiGity]

Opie - For sure man i appreciate it, i want to know exactly what im about to do before i start building my setup. I have read a couple books and they all boast SOG for best overall efficency, to me though it looks like its going to take a while to get it fully running in the cycles i have read with every 2-3 weeks a different batch is being moved from veg to flow... I'm going to be starting from seed so i'm thinking about growing some trees before i can get the whole SOG operational with clones, etc.. Thanks for the info

[bud luv]

The room i have to use is approx 25x12 square room i have about 5 g's for the setup and everything else needed

What does "25x12 square" mean? That sounds like more of a rectangle to me ;)

Anyways it sounds like you're going to want several lights which means the first thing you need to think about is your electrical source. For all you know all the outlets in the room might be on the same 15 amp breaker, which could mean you need to make some electrical mods (240v conversion) or find a way to to get some heavy duty extension cords going from outlets on different breakers.

[bud luv]

Oh, and while that system is decent you can make something that would be better for a fraction of the price. $800 is way too much for a 12 bucket recirculating system. You could make your own that would be better and with 5 gallon buckets for under $300.

Read these threads and you'll become a semi-expert on DWC/Waterfarms
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/91976-water-farm-dwc-club-7.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/95268-new-grow-log-4.html

Note - those links don't go to the first page in those threads.. I meant for you to take them from the top, so you'll have to go back to the first page on em.

[Opie Yutts]

Opie - For sure man i appreciate it, i want to know exactly what im about to do before i start building my setup. I have read a couple books and they all boast SOG for best overall efficency, to me though it looks like its going to take a while to get it fully running in the cycles i have read with every 2-3 weeks a different batch is being moved from veg to flow... I'm going to be starting from seed so i'm thinking about growing some trees before i can get the whole SOG operational with clones, etc.. Thanks for the info

First off, you will never know EXACTLY what you are going to do before you do it, especially on a first grow of a new set up. There will always be a certain amount of making it up as you go along.

Second, you don't have to start of with a top of the line sog. You can have one place to veg and one to bud, and just move the vegged ones into the bud section once you harvest, which is roughly every two months. You don't have change or harvest every three weeks.

And C, bud luv is right about building your own for a lot less money, if that's the kind of thing you are into.

[bud luv]

First off, you will never know EXACTLY what you are going to do before you do it, especially on a first grow of a new set up. .

THAT is the best advice in this thread, lol. :thumbsup:

[yiGity]

true true thanks for the info

[Doctor Whoov]

stinky's right about being able to break it down and bud luv is right about framing out. A great compromise is to use galvanized deck screws. Like I mentioned in the most used tool section, I love my drill. I use it all the time. As a grower it can be your best friend. I find my setup is in a constant state of upgrading and I can't imagine doing it without...but I digress...
Build yourself a closet. Having the headroom is great and you can have a shelf above the light for storing water while it dechloronates (dechlorofies?) if using soil.
You can make a fake room in a day and no one would ever know it was there. (As long as it isn't in your living room) People will think it's your water heater or some shit.
I have a spare bedroom that I use the closet in right now but I will be moving out into the main room I think. I will just basically set up a table in the middle and hank my light from where the ceiling fan is now. OK I'm rambling from the sleep meds.
Good luck on the build yiGity

[yiGity]

yeah im pretty sure im going to just build my own setup, i have experience in woodworking from high school. i cant imagine building two big box frames with wood and screws being that difficult, im more concerned about everything else that goes with the box; venting, lighting, hydro system and the c02 setup. ive been reading alot from different growers and posts on this site, i have a pretty good idea of what im aiming at doing it just seems like a lot of shit to remember... about to start this real soon here....