My First ScrOG - Young Girls in Bondage [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

PharmaCan

11-08-2007, 05:51 PM

Well, despite some major screw-ups, it looks like my ScrOG will turn into a half-ass decent grow. When I started this grow, BG Hydro screwed me around for over a month on sending me the HPS bulb I needed, so the plants had vegged way too much by the time I flipped them. I started with six plants and had to remove two, no big deal except it broke my heart to destroy two flowering plants. Then a couple of the sprinkler heads clogged up for a couple days so I'm just getting a def in two plants corrected - leaves are turning green again so all is well in that respect.

And yet, despite all these problems, I have 18 sq.ft. of solid buds! :thumbsup: You can't really tell from these photos, but the buds that are sticking up are the end of branches that have curled up. There's a lot of the branch that is still horizontal, but has buds growing up from it. With about six weeks to go, they should still grow quite a bit.

The plants are 26 days into flower. The strain is White Widow and I anticipate harvesting at 10 weeks. I'll try to take some pics with the HPS lights off sometime in the next day or two.

I really like growing in a ScrOG! ...can't wait to see how my next grow turns out, now that I know some of the pitfalls to avoid.

PC :smokin:

Weedhound

11-08-2007, 06:05 PM

:eek: The TITLE!! I feel faint.

HOLY CRAP!!!! What happened to the guy walking around asking questions about coco? Now he's a power-growing sex-fiend. :D

PC...Fucking EXCELLENT work... :thumbsup::thumbsup:c DAYUM!!

PharmaCan

11-08-2007, 06:19 PM

Weedhound - Where have you been, darlin? I haven't seen you around lately. What happened to your puppy pic?

Ya know, when I had people working for me, I always tried to impress on them that stupid questions are far more preferable than stupid mistakes. That philosophy has always served me well.

Thanks for the compliments! :jointsmile:

PC :smokin:

Weedhound

11-08-2007, 06:27 PM

Think I got taken over by the hormone beast or something PC so took a little vacation from Cdot.....back now I think and hopefully less crabby about everything. ;)

I must say those photos do ALOT to warm an old lady's heart. :thumbsup: :)

wman44

11-08-2007, 08:22 PM

PharmaCan

11-09-2007, 12:00 AM

daaaamn....those are some sexy plants
im about 6 days of flowering into my first scrog
im growing an nl cross but i dont have 18sq ft..
in fact my space is only 23inches by 15 inches but its starting to look kinda like yours!
gotta love this scrog thing

Hey, even a small area of solid buds is good. :thumbsup: Make sure you keep tying your branches down during the growth spurt.

PC :smokin:

turtle420

11-09-2007, 02:40 AM

1st off... A++ on the title. :p :)

2nd, FREAKING NICE!!!
I looove SCRoGs!!!

How long did you veg them for?
Sad about BGHydro man... I always give them an "Excellent" for their service.

Anyways, very very nice man.
So, right now, you have a total of four plants, in those 18 sq.ft. Right?

Heck yeah!! :) :)

Hey, how 'easy' or 'not easy' is it to reach the rear parts of the cabinet/grow room, in order to train the girls?

And your training of them into the SCRoG,... have you "weaved" them into it, or just "tied them down" with string/cable? :)

PharmaCan

11-09-2007, 03:13 AM

Hi Turtle.

This cabinet is 3' x 6', with two doors, so it's pretty easy to reach the plants. The plants vegged about 2 1/2 months from clones. I had to cut them back several times; but I've grown this strain a lot and I know how the plants react and they love being pruned. At first I just bent the branches over, under the screen, and tied them only for lateral support/spacing. Then I wove a little, then I tied a lot. Four plants - White Widow.

PC :smokin:

iniganja

11-09-2007, 05:21 AM

You mention tying the branches down--is there a certain technique to doing so?

Opie Yutts

11-09-2007, 09:54 AM

You mention tying the branches down--is there a certain technique to doing so?

Yes, it's called trial and error.

Opie Yutts

11-09-2007, 10:22 AM

Hey PC, really cool to see you doing a scrog setup. 18 sq ft of budding white widow. Ain't it a beautiful mouthwatering sight? As you may or may not be aware, I am a huge fan of the scrog method. Not only do you get to harvest about every two months, but the yields are higher since using the screens maximizes the space you have and the shape of the light intensity (with HID and a stadium screen).

Man, just think what that is going to look like in 6 weeks. Just think how it will look when you can do it without any problems. Hey wait, does that ever happen?

I can't even see the screen. Have the colas just grown so high that it's not visible?

I'm not trying to be a big shot or hijack your thread, but perhaps people might be interested in seeing an example of a stadium scrog. Here's an older grow of mine: http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/63247-your-ak47-your-ak47-stadium-scrog-any-questions.html

PC, (or anyone for that matter) please be sure to share when you get aspects of scrog figured out. It's not easy to time everything just perfectly so that you get maximum screen coverage, without having to end up chopping a few to make room. It's also not easy trying to decide where to place all the branches and the main bud. Any attempt at doing this in an organized fashion usually ends up in a free-for-all anyway. Let me know, and I'll share as well, if any profound inspiration hits me in the face.

PharmaCan

11-09-2007, 03:06 PM

You mention tying the branches down--is there a certain technique to doing so?

I'm not sure what you mean by this question. The method of tying the branches is just bend them over and tie them down with a twist tie. The technique is to try to get the foliage to cover your entire screen. If this doesn't answer your question, feel free to ask more specific questions. :thumbsup:

Opie - Thanks for stopping by!

Yeah, the buds are just so thick that you can't see the screen. There's also quite a bit of foliage that's tied down that's blocking the view.

The guy at the hydro shop said he used to do a lot of scrogging and that he used two screens. Same process of tying all the branches as best you can, then, when the buds start to rise, directing each bud through a hole in the upper screen. I'm going to try two screens on my next grow. Just looking at the way the plants are growing, I'm guessing that the second screen helps hold down the foliage that is competing for the light. I spend a lot of time tucking fan leaves to expose buds. I think the second screen eliminates that chore, but I'm not really sure.

PC :smokin:

iniganja

11-11-2007, 03:42 AM

Pharm--Hmmm...you have any pictures of the branches on the screen?

PharmaCan

11-11-2007, 05:24 AM

Pharm--Hmmm...you have any pictures of the branches on the screen?

I didn't take any pics as I was doing the initial tying, or as it was filling in, if that's what you mean.

I can try to take a pic from underneath, but I don't know if you'll be able to see much. I'll get that up in the morning.

PC :smokin:

Opie Yutts

11-11-2007, 07:22 AM

PC, I've never heard of this technique where you put two screens in the flower area. It's common to have a "training screen" in the veg chamber, just to keep the plants from growing too far from the way you'll need them to be. But it's not necessary and I've never used one, since I can usually get my screen down over my plants after I move them into the bud section. Occasionally I'll snap a banch, sometimes even clean off, but a little masking tape takes care of that real well.

I guess I'm a little confused. I'm just not seeing the need for a 2nd screen. You said, Same process of tying all the branches as best you can, then, when the buds start to rise, directing each bud through a hole in the upper screen. Well this is exactly what I do with my one screen. I tie all the branches for awhile, then I let the buds rise through holes in the screen. What are you doing differently than I am? You said, the second screen helps hold down the foliage that is competing for the light. I assume you mean the upper screen. Either way, I don't see what the bottom screen is for. My one screen holds down the foliage, and it positions buds at certain holes to rise through. What am I missing here?

PharmaCan

11-11-2007, 05:08 PM

Opie - I'm just guessing at what the purpose of the upper screen is. I really don't know for sure.

Most of my veg foliage was under the screen. The foliage from the 12/12 stretch is on top, tied down.

Anyhoo, the hydro guy swears by the two screen process, so I'll try it once. But, when I do, I think I'll drag his butt over here to help me set it up 'cuz I too am confused about the process.

PC :smokin:

xcrispi

11-11-2007, 05:27 PM

Looks sweet P/C,
3 ft x 6 ft , 4 plants . I'm real curious how this is gonna yield for you / if it's worth the 2.5 mos. veg. time ?

Does there seem to be as much wood growing under the screen as there would be w/ just topping them n letting them grow natural ?

Is this indeed the cabinet we saw a lil while back roughed in w/o doors ? 2-600W in cooltubes ? Can you pop a cpl. pics of the cabinet itself too , it looked sweet in the makings , like O.C.D Sweet , I was impressed ! :thumbsup:

Bg hydro. let me down too man , fukd me around for 3 bloody mos. over 12.00 of calibration sol. LOL . I'll never be back .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

rhizome

11-11-2007, 06:26 PM

Opie - I'm just guessing at what the purpose of the upper screen is. I really don't know for sure.

Keeps stuff from falling over- you'll have weight supported at awkward angles, and as they fill in they'll want to lay down onto the screen.

PharmaCan

11-11-2007, 07:34 PM

Keeps stuff from falling over- you'll have weight supported at awkward angles, and as they fill in they'll want to lay down onto the screen.

Dude, you are like the Lone Ranger of information.:thumbsup:

Looks sweet P/C,
3 ft x 6 ft , 4 plants . I'm real curious how this is gonna yield for you / if it's worth the 2.5 mos. veg. time ?

Does there seem to be as much wood growing under the screen as there would be w/ just topping them n letting them grow natural ?

Is this indeed the cabinet we saw a lil while back roughed in w/o doors ? 2-600W in cooltubes ? Can you pop a cpl. pics of the cabinet itself too , it looked sweet in the makings , like O.C.D Sweet , I was impressed ! :thumbsup:

Bg hydro. let me down too man , fukd me around for 3 bloody mos. over 12.00 of calibration sol. LOL . I'll never be back .
Peace
Crispi :jointsmile:

Here's a few cabinet pics for you, Crispi. If I stumble across the link to thread with all the good cab construction pics, I'll post it. Lately I've been getting away from fixed cabs and more into free standing structures. That way, if I decide to move I can move the cabs and barely skip a beat in my op.

There is a lot of wood on these plants. I'll post a stem pic below and you can get an idea. The stem in the pic is about 1 1/2" diameter.

I didn't have to veg for 2.5 months - as it turned out, I did, but that was only because of BG Hydro. I had to top the plants twice during that period, just to keep some semblance of sanity.

This is my Christmas Widow. ...maybe some of it will make its way back to the East coast in time for the holidays - ya never know.:jointsmile:

PC :smokin:

PharmaCan

11-11-2007, 07:54 PM

Here are a few more pics with the hps's off. If you look at the pic of the undergrowth, it's pretty thick. There are a whole lot of buds in there, which will just be popcorn buds, but it's obvious that with practice and improved technique there is the potential for a lot better yield.

BTW - The def you see was started with clogged sprinkler heads and no water for a day or two (?). I flushed and adjusted my nutes and the color is slowly returning to the leaves. Today is day one of week seven - with a 10-11 week strain. I'm using Latewood's recipe so today I'm switching to the power flowering nutes. With 4-5 weeks left, those buds should bulk up quite nicely.

PC :smokin:

Gundari

11-11-2007, 10:04 PM

That is fucking amazing looking. So much so that depending upon the results of my first grow (all i really did was a bit of LST'ing) i may be doing a SCroG on my second grow.

Opie Yutts

11-11-2007, 11:21 PM

PharmaCan

11-12-2007, 03:30 PM

Yes, that is amazing. Real nice.

Just one suggestion though. I know this is your first time and you will do some things differently next time, so I suggest that you get rid of all that foliage and those popcorn buds underneath. They are not getting light, and they are taking away precious strength from what is really important; the buds and whatever is above the screen.

The growth that you can see in the pics is actually on top of the screen - it's foliage that grew after the branches were tied down. At this point, it would be next to impossible to trim it. It's such a tangled mess that it just wouldn't be wise.

PC :smokin:

Weedhound

11-12-2007, 03:37 PM

that one photo is pure heaven.....:thumbsup:

bongerstonerd00d

11-12-2007, 03:51 PM

PC....lookin dayum good. Just in time for Santa. It'll be green green in the east, at least where I am for Xmas:thumbsup:

b0nger

Opie Yutts

11-12-2007, 11:06 PM

At this point, it would be next to impossible to trim it. It's such a tangled mess that it just wouldn't be wise.

PC :smokin:

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I know. That's why I said it was a suggestion for next time.

Opie Yutts

11-12-2007, 11:26 PM

Keeps stuff from falling over- you'll have weight supported at awkward angles, and as they fill in they'll want to lay down onto the screen.

Sorry rhizome, I'm just not understanding this. I want to believe, really, but I still don't get it. I guess I'm doing something wrong, but I've never had any of my buds want to lay down. They all seem to want to grow toward the light. Maybe I'm such a bad grower that my buds are not big enough to fall down. Well maybe, but I've found that once I top or LST or FIM, or do anything that creates additional bud sites, those buds end up smaller than if I had less of them and didn't train my plants. To fill in a 3'x3' screen solid with buds only, from 4 plants or so, takes a lot of bud sites per plant, and they get small. Overall a bigger yield, but smaller buds that don't want to fall over.

So please help me understand. I'm not trying to be difficult. Perhaps I'm not all there, but I've never heard of two screens or what benefit they have over one. I always want to try new things, but not if they don't make sense to me.

I guess maybe next time I'll try 2 and see If I can figure out some way to make it beneficial. Since I stadium scrog, would I need a stadium screen for both, or could the bottom screen be flat? Stadium screens are much more involved in the making. And exactly what part of the plant goes in each section? I'm imagining the space below the bottom screen is bare wood. The middle layer is a bunch of topped or FIMed branches with fan leaves that will see little, if any light. The top layer is nothing but buds and small bud leaves coming up all open spaces in the screen. And what about LST? Would I bend the branches down right from the start, or wait until they are just into the second layer?

Any ideas here would be great, because I may want to give this a go for next time, since I have some extra flat screens laying around.

The down side? I imagine it will take extra space vertically, since you've got to get your hands to the back of all layers. I also am guessing that it will take longer, since you are growing them taller.

PharmaCan

11-13-2007, 01:24 AM

Not trying to be a smart ass, but I know. That's why I said it was a suggestion for next time.

I read your post a bunch of times and I wasn't sure if you meant trim now or in the future...

Next time I go to the hydro store, I'm going to get the hydro guy to draw me a picture 'cuz I really don't understand the exact purpose of the second screen. What Rhizome said seems to make sense, but you would need some pretty damn big ScrOG buds to need the support. ...I hope mine grow that big. LOL

bongerstonerd00d - Thanks for the comments! Yeah, Santa should be a happy camper this year. :D

PC :smokin:

Opie Yutts

11-13-2007, 04:54 AM

What Rhizome said seems to make sense, but you would need some pretty damn big ScrOG buds to need the support. ...I hope mine grow that big. LOL

Darn tootn! Me too. I'm picturing it now, drooling.

PharmaCan

11-17-2007, 05:43 PM

Well, another week into this and it would appear that, as usual, Rhizome was right. The buds are getting too big and too heavy and I'm going to have to do a whole bunch of tying up in the next few days.

...Hell, I might even try to install a second screen right now. I've got four weeks left and it would be a major pita to try to tie up every bud.

PC :smokin:

Weedhound

11-17-2007, 06:01 PM

Rhizome was right? :eek: Shit I'm going to have to start COMPETELY OVER now. :D

Hope your friends arent too far from your celing PC. Get out your garden tape and thumbtacks!! ;)

Weedhound

11-17-2007, 06:05 PM

PC I JUST reread the first part of this thread. Did you veg these things for 10 weeks AND top them twice?? Did I honestly read that correctly?

Just HOW high IS your ceiling????

PharmaCan

11-17-2007, 06:22 PM

PC I JUST reread the first part of this thread. Did you veg these things for 10 weeks AND top them twice?? Did I honestly read that correctly?

That sounds about right. I was planning on 4-5 weeks veg, then didn't get the stuff I needed from BG Hydro until after a 4-5 week delay, so, yeah, they kept vegging and I kept trimming. Since this grow was kinda screwed up from the git-go, I'm really quite pleased with the fact that I now have to deal with supporting buds that are getting too big to support themselves.

I'm going to be starting another Scrog in about two weeks with my Master x Bubba strain and this time I'm going to start it right so I should get better results.

PC :smokin:

Weedhound

11-17-2007, 06:32 PM

:jawdropper:

Those things are going to be blowing out your walls by the time you are done.

PARTY AT PC's HOUSE!! :D :jointsmile:

PharmaCan

11-17-2007, 09:48 PM

:jawdropper:

PARTY AT PC's HOUSE!! :D :jointsmile:

Woohoo - you bring the strippers and dip; I supply everything else!:thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

PharmaCan

11-18-2007, 07:24 PM

Here's a few more pics. The plants just started week seven - three more weeks left to fatten up these buds. :jointsmile:

I'm using Latewood's formula (http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/112898-basic-advice-additives-start-little-grow-big.html) (AN Bloom & Micro, CalMag+, Liquid Karma) along with molasses and Sweet. If anyone has any suggestions for other supplement(s) that will really help the buds grow, let me know. :thumbsup:

PC :smokin:

Opie Yutts

11-19-2007, 02:06 AM

I just got two words for you: Yum me.

GrassMaster

11-21-2007, 02:53 AM

Wow awesome grow, and great thread to go with it. Nice work, can't wait to see the finished buds........

Opie Yutts

11-24-2007, 10:19 PM

Not too much longer now, I'm so excited.

PharmaCan

11-25-2007, 12:01 AM

I just started week seven and just added Overdrive to their diet. I'm planning on ten weeks total. Right now the trichs are almost all clear with an occasional cloudy and even a couple amber, so they should be perfect in another three weeks or so.

The buds are really filling out nicely- putting on a lot of bulk. I'll take some pics in the morning and post them.

PC :smokin:

PharmaCan

11-25-2007, 12:27 AM

One of these days I'm going to have to learn to count.

...they are just starting week eight.

PC :stoned:

zebulon

11-27-2007, 12:27 AM

Hey PC... just wanted to say ,really awesome work, and i think this ScrOG setup log is a great inspiration for everybody :thumbsup:...

dejayou30

11-27-2007, 03:03 AM

I'm late to see this thread but I must say HOLY SHIT!!!! That's some nice work there, PharmaCan.

PharmaCan

11-27-2007, 03:11 AM

Zebulon - DJ, Thanks guys!

Here's a pic I took yesterday. Just to give you a size perspective, those buds are a little bigger around than a golf ball ...and really dense. :D

Two weeks left of nutes and I just started with Overdrive. Heh, heh, heh - I think they're gonna be big ones! :jumphappy:

PC :smokin:

Opie Yutts

11-27-2007, 09:38 PM

Oh my, Oh boy, Oh man, Oh my goodness.

Big len

11-28-2007, 11:16 PM

Great Job I hope one day I can get to where you are I,m still learning all of you experts have been so helpfull, once again Great Job.

PharmaCan

12-04-2007, 06:59 PM

Thanks, Big Len!

Well, the trich report is mostly cloudy with a scattering of amber. It's harvest time! :D

I've had the girls on FloraKleen for two days now. First I flushed the pots with pure water, then with F/K. I've been watering with F/K, molasses and Sweet three times per light cycle. Does anyone know for sure how long you need to use the F/K to get a good flush?

PC :smokin:

GoldenGoblin

12-04-2007, 09:42 PM

that looks awesome PC

bud luv

12-05-2007, 08:19 AM

Nice, dood.

bud luv

12-05-2007, 08:27 AM

Did you really veg for two and a half months? That just seems like forever! Is it worth it? I'm interested in what the yield is

PharmaCan

12-05-2007, 09:50 AM

Goblin - Haven't seen you around for a while. Thanks for stopping by!

bud luv - Vegging that long actually fucked things up. I had to trim the plants too much because they kept outgrowing the space. Next grow, vegging for the right amount of time and using a second screen to support the buds, I should be able to get a solid carpet of 12"-24" buds.

I've got some Master x Bubba clones in their third week of veg and they're about 10" tall now. They'll be going into a new ScrOG in another cab. These White Widow plants are finishing a couple weeks sooner than I expected, so I need to cut some White Widow clones tomorrow. ...but I'll just take some really bushy 7" cuttings with pencil-sized stems and they'll grow big real quick.

Maybe I'll get motivated and do proper logs on both of those grows. I've learned a lot from the mistakes on this ScrOG, so the next ones should be a lot more dialed in.

PC :smokin:

Opie Yutts

12-05-2007, 10:05 AM

Looking forward to the next one too, PC. I'm sure it will be even better. Ain't it great the things we can learn from our mistakes?

PharmaCan

12-06-2007, 02:19 AM

I harvested about 2/3 of this grow; the rest I'll grow for another week to ten days so that I have some real couchlock buds. The pics are some of the trimmed buds and the rest of the crop hung to dry untrimmed and a bud just before it was cut to give some size perspective.

This is going to be a short post. I have to get back to hacking the excess vegetation off the buds.

PC :smokin:

zebulon

12-06-2007, 05:41 PM

Wow PC...that is a lot of bud...nice work:thumbsup:
Can we see a closeup pic. of those hanging bud's, whit good lighting??

bud luv

12-09-2007, 01:59 AM

Shweet

Opie Yutts

12-09-2007, 07:32 AM

PC Looking good. Now aint that a nice feeling, getting the buds up and drying after the completion of something new?

One question: Is the last photo a representation of how your lights are all the time? I mean you can't actually have it touching your plants without heat stress rearing it's ugly head, can you?

Opie Yutts

12-09-2007, 07:35 AM

And how did that pinch smoke? You know, the one you pinched off yesterday in hopes that it would be dry today?

PharmaCan

12-09-2007, 03:57 PM

Hi Opie!

I was holding that cfl next to the bud for size comparison. Notice the flesh-colored "socket" holding the bulb - that's my hand. LOL

I didn't pinch any bud yesterday ....but I did trim a few popcorn buds from the undergrowth a couple of weeks ago and they taste great.

PC :smokin:

SFGurrilla

12-09-2007, 03:59 PM

Damn only pot. I got excited about the title. :cool:

PharmaCan

12-09-2007, 06:17 PM

Well, the results are in. 1.95 lbs. dried weight plus there's about another 1/2 lb. still growing in the cab for a "couchlock" harvest.

1/2 lb. per plant. I guess that's ok - but next time it should be a lot better.

PC :smokin:

Opie Yutts

12-09-2007, 11:23 PM

Hi Opie!

I was holding that cfl next to the bud for size comparison. Notice the flesh-colored "socket" holding the bulb - that's my hand. LOL

Doh! My powers of observation sometimes astound even myself.

I gotta tell you, ya got a lot of balls (jars that is). Man those jars looked nice all stacked up and shiny. I love the wide mouth jars too. I use them with my vacuum sealer. And to think that's not even all the weed. Nice haul.