2008 JOHN MUIR TRAIL

[friendowl]

last year things didnt work out
but coming 2008 its on again
my son who is 11 wants to join me

any of you backpackers
you should join us
or just go on your own

its a beautiful place that will change the way you think and feel

im thinking sometime in july

it would be fun to hike this trail with some of you people

you got plenty of time to collect gear

Welcome To Pacific Crest Trail Association - John Muir Trail Overview (http://www.pcta.org/about_trail/muir/over.asp)

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

I've been wanting to check out that trail for a long time now!

Thinking of going solo sometime next year as well...
hell if the time is right I'd be down to join you guys

How long you thinking of going for?

[geonagual]

I would be down for 5 or 6 days..maybe more I dont know..it would be a dope ass trip...lots of kind bud and nothing but straight nature..making pot luck stew:jointsmile:

[smokeoutmontana]

That would be sick. I met someone who began on the border of Mexico/San Diego and followed the Pacific Crest Trail all the way to Canada. The dude was from Squamish, Canada, and had prepared for this trip for a year. You have to go through the mohave desert, which will be challenging. Bring water, not just a purifier.

I am all for this... I hope you guys do it and have a great time. It should be awesome!

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

Man we gotta make it happen
I just ordered a GPS...

I'm ready for some wilderness action!

[geonagual]

Best way is to set an actual date...when dates are set..shit happens..

Did you really order that GPS?

Oh yeah..and we will make some of those cannabis capsules for the trip...

[friendowl]

id like to do the whole trail....it aint easy though
it would be a lot better if we went together
it would be fun as hell

[friendowl]

i went last august and it was too late in season
the meadows were brown already and the flowers were few
snow was gone but the weather was perfect
id like to go again in mid-late july
it is very easy to get a permit

two maildrops of food and a couple hundred bucks
it will be so worth it

id like to see this happen

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

man you know it, we'd make it through no problem.
good peoples, good buds, good environment,
no way in hell this could not be a cool ass trip

its usually not as fun when its easy anyway!
plus we'd have each other to kick each other in the ass to keep going

you thinking of bringing your son? that would be cool too
I hope he wouldn't mind hanging out with 3 stoned heads the entire trip though :jointsmile:

I did order that GPS geo, I've just been wanting one so bad,
I couldn't resist! It should be here by either tomorrow or thursday

I say we go find that cache with my new GPS :jointsmile:

[submarine]

i did some hiking this past summer. a small part of it was on the PCT. it was with a group called Overland. they run teenage hiking\outdoor groups. it was a life changing experience and every since i have really enjoyed hiking\camping.

you have me interested and i might take you up on the offer on coming out to do some hiking and of course some toking :]

[friendowl]

if everything works out and i dont have to hike solo
then id leave my boy at home this year.hes only 11
and even though he can hang id rather just enjoy the time alone
i need a good time away from kids so hopefully you guys can make it
if not ...ill just walk slower and smoke more..still alll good

im getting my GPS for x-mas bonus money
i been wanting one forever
i was in sandiego last weekend and i had a lot of mids on me
i wanted to hide some for geo and danks
i found a cool spot that you would have loved

SOON MY GEOCACHING FRIENDS I WILL PLAY ALONG

The John Muir Trail (http://www.hikejmt.com/index.htm)

[friendowl]

7-18-2008 is a full moon
im thinking of starting on this date
but its a long ways away
august is the perseiod meteor showers
if we go we will be up high for the show[so awesome]
10-15 miles a day = 20 days or so

[geonagual]

7-18-2008 is a full moon
im thinking of starting on this date
but its a long ways away
august is the perseiod meteor showers
if we go we will be up high for the show[so awesome]
10-15 miles a day = 20 days or so


It is great to set a date ahead like this..by the time it gets here we will be super psyched and this thread will be 10 pages long:jointsmile:

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

wow full moon.. meteor showers.. we gotta do this gentlemen :D

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

so the trail is about 250 miles long?
and as of mid-july, will it still get pretty chilly at night?

[friendowl]

yes up over 10000 feet
it gets cold.
a good down jacket and a beanie and gloves and youll be straight
north face "NUPTSE" jacket is good like 150.00 on sale

the trail is easy.the hard part is getting away from yourself
kids,work,comforts,......all that shit must be left behind [sort of]
all day long all you do is think and walk and smoke and take pictures

something very i guess you could say spiritual about being thirsty
i mean real real down to your core thirsty
thne you find water and it tastes so sweet and you can feel
it traveling thru your body and you turn and look and a deer
is doing the same shit as you.....kind of humbling ...you feel a connection

from what i learned last attempt
im not taking much...no books,no extra clothes,
you hardly eat as much as you imagine you would
peanuts and raisins help out alot
gatorade mix sucks compared to propel
if you can start hiking by 6am at 2mph by 12pm youd have 12 miles
done and can hike more or have time to explore the area [climb peaks]

im going again and it would be fun if this did turn out
i did it solo and i seen a lot of groups having fun

[submarine]

yeah man i just got a new GoLite pack for this years hiking. the thing is amazing.
and for any new hikers out there that are thinking about coming, you really don't need to bring a tent unless you feel like you would be more comfortable\feel safer.

you can buy tarps that you can hook up to a couple trees for cheaper than a tent and my opinion they are a lot more relaxing too. just something about being exposed through the whole night really appeals to me. the most important thing though, if you dont bring a tent, is that you have a sleeping bag that is going to keep you warm.

[geonagual]

something very i guess you could say spiritual about being thirsty
i mean real real down to your core thirsty
thne you find water and it tastes so sweet and you can feel
it traveling thru your body and you turn and look and a deer
is doing the same shit as you.....kind of humbling ...you feel a connection



man, this is going be awesome:jointsmile:

250 miles huh? I imagine the last day would be the best one..with that incredible feeling at the end..

[wholapola]

Have fun, it could turn into one fantastic trip.

CAPTAIN: Mr. Crusher...MAKE IT SO!

[friendowl]

Trail Journals 2007 : Backpacking and Hiking Journals (http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?trailname=6604)

you can read journals from other hikers who finished the trail
gives you a good idea on what you are getting into

the trail is 222 miles from yosemite to mt.whitney
i was thinking of driving to whitney area and parking the car
then either taking another car up to yosemite or take the bus

[friendowl]

Silver Moccasin Trail - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Moccasin_Trail)

when you get your gear together we should go on
a practice run.

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

I was talking about the John Muir Trail to like 6 people at work today
I am definitely a 100% commited to this man, I've been wanting to do serious hikes like that forever.

I am down for the practice one, we could probably tackle that one right after new years!



if you can start hiking by 6am at 2mph by 12pm youd have 12 miles
done and can hike more or have time to explore the area (climb peaks)

And yea man, climbing peaks is the ultimate
I say we climb the highest peak we have in sight
(thats in the way, of course)

[geonagual]

I went to Sports Chalet today...I am not even sure where the closest R.E.I. is to me...I am thinking Rancho Cucamonga..I am not sure..looked at both packs and sleeping bags..they had some really nice packs...prices seemed to be mostly around $150..I definitely like the internal frames..sleeping bags, I will probably go with down...around 3 pounds..a price tag of around 100$.
After that, went to the library, read backpacker magazine and then sat there for 2 hours in the library reading the getaway of the John Muir trail or something..cool book..I will check it out when i find my library card.
Very cool how you finish this hike right after Mt Whitney..oh yeah, the Whitney Portal..

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

hmm close to you I'm not sure...
I know there is one off the 52.. right after merging on the 163
get off on convoy and make a right, its right there :)

[submarine]

friend.
i got all my gear ready. just give me a date and ill make the commitment.
this should be an awesome time.

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

hey submarine, where are you from btw?

[submarine]

VA.

[friendowl]

makes me smile to read all the enthusiasm
im going to start a new grow just for the trip
everything i harvest goes in the bear cannister
unlimited amounts of weed

[geonagual]

I thought this was a good overview..the supply and logistics for this hike are pretty intense..I didnt include that in this copy and paste, cause I didnt want to do to much of that..yeah, yeah, I am stoned and I got more to smoke..strawberry cough..so many weed names...hey owl, smokin homegrown the whole way...I am bringing an OZ for sure.



The John Muir Trail passes through what many backpackers say is the finest mountain scenery in the United States. This is a land of 13,000-foot and 14,000-foot peaks, of lakes in the thousands, and of canyons and granite cliffs. It's also a land blessed with the mildest, sunniest climate of any major mountain range in the world.
The John Muir Trail is 211 miles long and runs (mostly in conjunction with the PCT) from Yosemite Valley to Mt Whitney, in California.

Because the John Muir Trail (JMT) trail ends (assuming you're doing a north to south thru-hike) at the top of the highest point in the lower 48, even after "completing" the trail you still have to hike another 11 miles and 6000 ft. down to Whitney Portal, the southern trail head.

Permits may be reserved by mail or telephone up to 24 weeks (to the day) or as late as 2 days (if any are left) before the date of your departure. The fee for reserving a permit is US$3 for each person listed on the permit, checks and credit cards are accepted. The maximum size of your group is 15, for hiking on the trail.

[geonagual]

This is a cool website telling about the trail
John Muir Trail - Home (http://feffer.robinshosting.com/jmt_project/index.html)

[friendowl]

Happy Isles 0 4,035
Mist Trail 1.0 4,550
Panorama Trail 3.3 5,950
Little Yosemite Valley 4.7 6,150
Half Dome Trail 6.2 7,000
Clouds Rest Trail 6.7 7,200
Merced Lake Trail 8.6 8,100
Forsyth Trail 8.7 8,150
Sunrise Camp 13.7 9,400

Echo Creek Trail 14.7 9,450
Cathedral Pass 15.7 9,700
Cathedral Lake Trail 17.8 9,500
Tuolumne Meadows Trail 20.8 8,550
Glen Aulin Trail 22.3 8,600
Tuolumne Meadows Ranger Station 23.9 8,700

Parker Pass Trail 24.7 8,700
Rafferty Creek Trail 25.6 8,750
Vogelsang Pass Trail 29.8 8,800
Lyell Fork Base Trail 32.8 9,000
Lyell Fork Bridge 34.0 9,700
Lyell Headwaters 34.8 10,200
Donohue Pass 36.7 11,050

Marie Lakes Trail 39.0 10,030
Rush Creek Trail 39.8 9,600
Island Pass 41.0 10,200
Thousand Island Lake 43.0 9,834
Garnet Lake 44.7 9,680
Ediza Lake Trail 47.6 9,030
Shadow Creek Trail Bridge 49.2 8,750
Rosalie Lake 50.2 9,350
Gladys Lake 50.9 9,600
Lower Trinity Lake 52.7 9,180
Johnston Meadow 54.7 8,120
Mammoth Trail 56.2 7,550
Devil's Postpile National Monument 56.6 7,550
Red's Meadow 57.3 7,600

Mammoth Pass Trail #1 58.7 8,700
Crater Meadow 60.0 8,900
Mammoth Pass Trail #2 61.1 8,900
Deer Creek 63.1 9,200
Duck Creek 68.3 10,100
Purple Lake 70.7 9,900
Lake Virginia 72.4 10,300
Tully Hole 74.4 9,500
Cascade Valley Trail 75.6 9,100
Goodale Pass Trail 78.3 10,300
Silver Pass 79.9 10,900

Silver Pass Lake 80.5 10,350
North Fork of Mono Creek 83.5 8,900
Mono Pass Trail 84.9 8,300
Mono Creek Bridge 86.5 7,700
Bear Ridge 91.1 9,950
Bear Creek Trail 93.2 8,800
Italy Pass Trail 95.5 9,250
East Fork Lakes Trail 96.7 9,500
Marie Lake 99.3 10,600
Selden Pass 100.6 10,870

Heart Lake 101.3 10,490
Sally Keyes Lake 102.1 10,200
Senger Creek 104.3 9,700
Shortcut to Blayney Meadows 106.4 8,400
Blayney Meadows Trail 108.1 7,800
Piute Pass 109.8 8,050
Aspen Meadow 111.3 8,300
Bridge over South Fork, San Joaquin River 112.6 8,350
Goddard Canyon Bridge 113.4 8,450
Evolution Meadow 115.4 9,200
McClure Meadow 117.4 9,600
Colby Meadow 118.4 9,800
Evolution Lake 121.9 10,850
Evolution Creek 125.5 10,400
Muir Pass 127.7 11,955

Helen Lake 128.7 11,595
Little Pete Meadow 134.5 8,800
Bishop Pass Trail 135.0 8,700
Grouse Meadows 138.2 8,200
Palisade Creek 139.2 8,000
Deer Meadow 142.7 8,700
Palisade Lake 145.7 10,650
Mather Pass 149.7 12,080

Taboose Pass Trail 155.1 10,000
Bench Lake Trail 156.2 11,000
Lake Marjorie 157.7 11,200
Pinchot Pass 159.2 12,100

Twin Lakes 162.3 10,560
South Fork Trail 166.8 8,500
Rae Lakes 172.3 10,500
Dragon Lake Trail 173.3 10,550
Sixty Lakes Basin Trail 173.6 10,550
Glen Pass 175.6 11,980

Glen Pass Lake 176.4 11,500
Kearsarge Pass Trail 177.9 10,800
Bubbs Creek Trail 180.1 9,600
center Basin Trail 183.6 10,500
Forester Pass 187.1 13,200

Lake South America Trail 191.4 11,160
Shepherd Pass Trail 192.1 10,930
Wright Creek 198.0 10,790
Wallace Creek 199.1 10,400
Crabtree Meadows Ranger Station 203.6 10,700
Creek to Guitar Lake 205.7 11,600
Mt Whitney Trail 209.6 13,500
Mt Whitney 211.9 14,495

Trail Crest 214.2 13,600
Trail Camp 216.4 12,040
Outpost Camp 219.0 10,600
Lone Pine Lake 220.0 9,960
Whitney Portal 222.4

[friendowl]

trail is very very easy to follow
what seems to work out best
is every night we have a designated camp spot
everyone meets there at there own pace

two five gallon paint buckets with lids from home depot cost like 5.00 each
or just mail one drop and carry the rest
finding out what foods work for you is not easy
at home i eat a lot but on trail i dont.

the hard part of planning would be the final section
from muir trail ranch to whitney
about 100 miles worth of food is a lil heavy

if we do finish the hike
i will treat my partners to
beers and burgers and whitney portal grill

[friendowl]

Hiking the John Muir Trail (http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~rbell/johnmuir.htm)

[geonagual]

It would be cool if we could get food dropped in by airplane for the last part...not really a whole bunch of options..I read where they can bring your drop by horseback at a designated spot..$400..damn, thats alot..

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

so there's a 100 mile stretch wher no food will be available to pick up?
hhmmm, we might have to hunt some shit on the way ;)

really though, that's going to be a bitch haha

[geonagual]

here is a great quote

Lyell canyon (between Tuolumne Meadows and Donahue Pass) has an especially bad bear problem. Avoid camping in this 11-mile section of the trail if you want to keep your food.

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

hahahah, that's awesome! Maybe we should set up traps to scare off the bears around our camps :P

[submarine]

here is a great quote

Lyell canyon (between Tuolumne Meadows and Donahue Pass) has an especially bad bear problem. Avoid camping in this 11-mile section of the trail if you want to keep your food.

bear hangs man. they will keep your food safe. you just can't keep any food in your tent in bear country. plus if i am not mistaken the bears in the area WE WILL :] be hiking only have black bears which arent anywhere near as dangerous or scary as grizzly bears.

nothing to really worry about.

[friendowl]

lyell canyon is beautiful
flat the whole way
lots of swimming holes
looks like a post card
awesome campspot at the end of lyell canyon just before donahue pass

its easy to carry 7 days worth of food in the bear cannister
7 days at 15 miles a day=105 miles
we can starve a lil bit..it'll make the burgers taste that much better

[Dr.Hashman]

I wanted to do the whole JMT this last summer but I was only able to do Mt. Whitney with my mom. It was a great hike, not too much mountaineering involved sadly. I hope all goes well!

ps. Use some bear bags for your pot! (http://www.basegear.com/op-sak-odor-proof-bag.html)

[friendowl]

hey hashman
maybe you should have taken
the mountaineers route up whitney...next time

[bud luv]

That might be the greatest stretch of dirt and rock on earth.