smoke bubbler with no water [Archive] - Green Grass Forums

moui_woui

11-02-2007, 08:38 PM

i dont think its bad for the bubbler, however it does kinda defeats the purpose though...

Right now my only piece is a bubbler though. I would use water but it's kinda of a hassle trying to dump the water out after use. because my parents are always in the living room and i have to go though the living room to get to the bathroom.

420_24/7

11-02-2007, 08:39 PM

what do your parents have to do with not being able to use water, bubblers dont make a whole hell of alot of noise, it could easily be covered up with music at a reasonable volume

klondike_bar

11-02-2007, 08:59 PM

why are you doing it near your parents?

Yah dumb nug!

11-02-2007, 09:36 PM

Right now my only piece is a bubbler though. I would use water but it's kinda of a hassle trying to dump the water out after use. because my parents are always in the living room and i have to go though the living room to get to the bathroom.

Do you have a window? Because you could dump it out there.....or just keep a pop bottle in your room under your bed or something and just empty it in their until its full ( that could be messy, but idk lol )

:stoned:

moui_woui

11-02-2007, 11:29 PM

what do your parents have to do with not being able to use water, bubblers dont make a whole hell of alot of noise, it could easily be covered up with music at a reasonable volume

I know It's not really my parents. It's more of me being a lazy. lol. Cause after i'am done smoking its like hard for me to put all my shit away. And dumping the water out is just 'hard' for some reason.

WEsmokeED

11-02-2007, 11:37 PM

Drink it?

TPB_Bubbles

11-02-2007, 11:59 PM

scagster

11-03-2007, 12:11 AM

I don't know how you do that. I've gotten so spoiled I can't stand using pipes without water anymore. Well.....joint and blunts are okay.

WaZ

11-03-2007, 12:12 AM

Is that bad for the bubbler?

Most likely not. If it was used continuously for a while then it might be an issue (hours).. Might.. Should be fine for what you described.

moui_woui

11-03-2007, 12:53 AM

Leave it in there....till it gets gross. Then just wait till your parents aren't home and pour it out. Or just put a hoodie on and put the bubbler in the hoodie pocket when u go to the bathroom to pour it out.

Dude are you serious? Just leave it out in the open for my parents to find. I hide all my stuff in a sock that i stash in my amp. I cant keep water in it i have to dump it out immediately. I would just dump it out my window but what if someone calls the cops or smoething.

SparkSomeChange

11-03-2007, 01:23 AM

You should relax :jointsmile:

420_24/7

11-03-2007, 03:37 AM

nobodys gonna call the cops if your just dumping shit out your window,

Bong ripper420

11-03-2007, 04:30 PM

Dude are you serious? Just leave it out in the open for my parents to find. I hide all my stuff in a sock that i stash in my amp. I cant keep water in it i have to dump it out immediately. I would just dump it out my window but what if someone calls the cops or smoething.

i dont think you can get arrested to dumping water out the window. your way to paranoid. if you pour it in a bottle hide the bottlethen dump it in the toilet the next day

junther22

11-03-2007, 04:53 PM

get a water bottle for your bubbler/bong water

change it when you have the chance

420_24/7

11-03-2007, 05:34 PM

get a water bottle for your bubbler/bong water

change it when you have the chance

thats what i always did when i was younger
my friend accidentally drank it one time:D

moui_woui

11-03-2007, 05:43 PM

get a water bottle for your bubbler/bong water

change it when you have the chance

I cant leave the water in it. I put the bubbler in my amp. So i have to get the water out first. Could i just dump the water in the trash or would it smell real bad.

420_24/7

11-03-2007, 05:45 PM

he was saying to dump the water in a bottle, and hide the bottle, you can do that.

purplekush989

11-03-2007, 05:45 PM

I would just dump it out my window but what if someone calls the cops or smoething.

hahahaha

moui_woui

11-03-2007, 06:14 PM

hahahaha

Dude I live right across from an apartment building. My windows is facing the street. It lokks kinda akward dumping my bubbler water out the window.

purplekush989

11-03-2007, 06:19 PM

Dude I live right across from an apartment building. My windows is facing the street. It lokks kinda akward dumping my bubbler water out the window.

and they're gonna call the cops because they saw some kid in the distance dumping water out of an object that is partially covered and hard to make out? highly unlikely. Unless you're smoking the bubbler out on the street, I think you're good.

moui_woui

11-03-2007, 08:02 PM

and they're gonna call the cops because they saw some kid in the distance dumping water out of an object that is partially covered and hard to make out? highly unlikely. Unless you're smoking the bubbler out on the street, I think you're good.

Ok i guess your right.

suhl

11-03-2007, 08:05 PM

ive done it a hundred times or more. it doesnt hurt it. hit really really hard without water. like a pipe the goes straight up.

jsn9333

11-03-2007, 08:10 PM

I usualy use my bubbler with no water because of my parents. Is that bad for the bubbler?
Peace:hippy::stoned:

I say you should use it with no water all the time. Water bongs filter more THC out of the water then they do tar. Adding water is basically just throwing weed away... unless you think the taste effect from the filtration is worth the weed your losing. The net result is an increase in the amount of tar per hit (and a decrease in the amount of THC/cannabinoids per hit). And in my experience tar doesn't taste very good... I like the taste of pipe smoke much more then water bong smoke.

So, again, with water filtration you have to inhale more tar (plus burn significantly more weed) to get the same amount of THC. Unless you plan on drinking the water, I'd say just forget it.

I personally like using long glass pipes. The longer the pipe, the cooler the smoke gets before it hits your throat and lungs (and the less harsh the smoke). A nice long bong without water is an excellent pipe if you ask me.

Here is the original study by NORML and MAPS on the results of water filtration.
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies (http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html)

Reefer Rogue

11-03-2007, 08:13 PM

Reefer Rogue

11-03-2007, 08:16 PM

I say you should use it with no water all the time. Water bongs filter more THC out of the water then they do tar. Adding water is basically just throwing weed away... unless you think the taste effect from the filtration is worth the weed your losing. The net result is an increase in the amount of tar per hit (and a decrease in the amount of THC/cannabinoids per hit). And in my experience tar doesn't taste very good... I like the taste of pipe smoke much more then water bong smoke.

So, again, with water filtration you have to inhale more tar (plus burn significantly more weed) to get the same amount of THC. Unless you plan on drinking the water, I'd say just forget it.

I personally like using long glass pipes. The longer the pipe, the cooler the smoke gets before it hits your throat and lungs (and the less harsh the smoke). A nice long bong without water is an excellent pipe if you ask me.

Here is the original study by NORML and MAPS on the results of water filtration.
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies (http://www.maps.org/mmj/vaporizer.html)

That is absolute bollox. That study sucks. Water pipes do not filter out more thc then carcinogens. That is a ludicrous claim which you should back up with more then that study if it were true. You don't inhale more tar, you inhale less then a normal pipe ffs, adding water is not throwing your weed away!!!!!

jsn9333

11-03-2007, 08:43 PM

Sorry friend, but that is the only study I know of (likely since the U.S. laws makes it extremely difficult to study weed in any controlled fashion). Nonetheless, it is one more study then zero you have produced... and it is done by two reputable organizations in the cannabis community.

I didn't say you inhale more tar from the water bong. I said you inhale more tar *per amount of THC inhaled* in the water bong. There is a big difference. If you smoke the same amount of weed in a pipe and a water bong you'll get more tar from the pipe. However, you'll get more THC from pipe also. You'll have to smoke more in the bong to get the same level of "high" producing chemicals you get from the pipe. And since more THC is filtered out by the water then tar, eventually you'll have to smoke more weed to get the same amount of THC (and in the process you'll have inhaled more tar then the original pipe smoke).

The study says water filters out more THC then it does tar. That's all I'm saying. If you disagree, then fine. But at least show a study or something if you have one. Otherwise, I'll go with the NORML study.

That is absolute bollox. That study sucks. Water pipes do not filter out more thc then carcinogens. That is a ludicrous claim which you should back up with more then that study if it were true. You don't inhale more tar, you inhale less then a normal pipe ffs, adding water is not throwing your weed away!!!!!

Reefer Rogue

11-03-2007, 09:50 PM

Go along with that crappy study. Thc is not water soluble. The amount of thc 'lost' isn't worth discussing.

420_24/7

11-03-2007, 11:04 PM

greg23

11-04-2007, 12:14 AM

i dont think its bad for the bubbler, however it does kinda defeats the purpose though...

Kind of reminds me of this morning. I was really high. I spilled my bong water. I get really clumsy when I'm high so you can count on me knocking over the bong or breaking something at least once. So, anyway, I packed the bowl again and started token. About ten minutes later I noticed there was no bubbling sound cause I forgot to put more water in it. Gotta love being that high.

moui_woui

11-04-2007, 01:19 AM

The point, the essence of a bubbler, is that it's a water pipe. You are defeating the purpose. You could easily just hide it in the back of a closet, put some clothes to cover the view, then dump the water when the time is convenient. Having said that, bubblers need to be cleaned. Are you 18 and your parents don't know? Tell them and stop this madness. Oh if everyone was as liberal as I

I'am 15. I dont think my mom would really care. She had to smoke up a few mounths ago due to nausa. She looked up pictures of dank bud with me once. It's my dad that would care and the funny thing is he used to party. I found one of his old bongs before.lol.

Reefer Rogue

11-04-2007, 09:31 AM

Well, keep on toking..

jsn9333

11-04-2007, 03:46 PM

the amount of thc loss in water is incredible small as thc is not soluble in water.
some thc can accumulate on the surface of a bubble before it pops releasing the majority of the smoke, the amount of thc lost is not even worth mentioning and common sense proves that water filters something bad out, look at bong water, would you prefer all that crap to be in your lungs?

Go along with that crappy study. Thc is not water soluble. The amount of thc 'lost' isn't worth discussing.

Sure, THC is not soluble in water, but neither is tar. So what's your point? What are you basing your statement on (that the loss of THC is "incredible small" (sic))? Both the tar and the cannabinoids in which the THC resides stick to the water without dissolving into it. And the study found more THC sticks to the water then even tar.

If NORML's and MAPS's scientific studies are accurate, then the water is filtering out more THC then tar. It filters more "good" then "bad". And I'm not sure yet exactly what your reasoning is for saying the study is wrong. The studies were done in a high-tech lab that analyzed the actual particulate content of the smoke on average. And the organizations behind the studies are reputed to represent the interests of cannabis smokers fairly well and objectively.

If you have another study backing up what your saying, by all means please let us know about it. Until then, if seeing a bunch of tar and sticky THC cannabinoids in your water makes you feel good, then leave the water in your bong. I don't particularly care to have to inhale more tar to get the same amount of THC as I get through my pipe.

420_24/7

11-04-2007, 03:53 PM

I dont need a study
Im going from personal experience
I have a tiny ass .2 bowl on my bong and i can do one bowl of that and be good
When i smoke a pipe i have to go through much more than that.
Also i know a guy who drank a bunch of bongwater and he didnt get high:wtf:
Also look at bong water, smell it, taste it, would you rather that crap be in your lungs???

purplekush989

11-04-2007, 04:51 PM

blunts wouldcompletely solve this problem.

jsn9333

11-04-2007, 08:06 PM

So you go ahead and keep doing whatever works best for you then; do whatever floats your boat. I've got a NORML/MAPS study performed in a high tech lab verifying my personal experience that a pipe gets me high much more efficiently then a bong. Water filters out more THC then tar.

Oh... and the reason your buddy didn't get high from drinking the bong water is because THC is not soluble in water. It sticks to water; it doesn't dissolve in it. (tar sticks to water also, and doesn't dissolve in it either). Your body won't absorb THC unless it is dissolved in oil or alcohol or vaporized (by fire). If you want to drink THC and get high you have to soak it in alcohol or fat... THC dissolves into alcohol and fat. Drinking THC in water is like eating raw weed... it won't do much to you.

I dont need a study
Im going from personal experience
I have a tiny ass .2 bowl on my bong and i can do one bowl of that and be good
When i smoke a pipe i have to go through much more than that.
Also i know a guy who drank a bunch of bongwater and he didnt get high:wtf:
Also look at bong water, smell it, taste it, would you rather that crap be in your lungs???

Reefer Rogue

11-04-2007, 08:27 PM

Oooh a high tech lab... I'm really impressed now =/

Worst study EVER

420_24/7

11-04-2007, 10:05 PM

Unless you plan on drinking the water

whats this then
even if the thc was not mixed into the water it would still be getting into your system.

Mississippi Steve

11-04-2007, 10:54 PM

Dude are you serious? Just leave it out in the open for my parents to find. I hide all my stuff in a sock that i stash in my amp. I cant keep water in it i have to dump it out immediately. I would just dump it out my window but what if someone calls the cops or smoething.

Just move out and get your own place.... its a no-brainer.

rmrdr716

11-04-2007, 10:58 PM

[quote=moui_woui]I'am 15. I dont think my mom would really care.
that was a mistake, u do know your supposed to be 18 to be on this board right?

fifka101

11-04-2007, 11:52 PM

i would never do that. i hate it when the smoke gets all hot.

mfqr

11-05-2007, 12:00 AM

I bet you don't need to change the water after every session, if you're that paranoid.

moui_woui

11-05-2007, 12:14 AM

Well the person that i got the bubbler from needed it back because it was never his to begen with. But i bought a sweet ass pipe from him.

kjavjlkbzdfb

11-05-2007, 12:23 AM

I definitely get more stoned from pipes and joints than I do from a bong.

kjavjlkbzdfb

11-05-2007, 12:23 AM

Vaporizer is the strongest. :thumbsup:

Frickr

11-05-2007, 12:43 AM

i get higher off of bongs then i do off of a pipe. just because ican take alot bigger hit. what little bit of thc imay loose, i more then make up for the size of hit im taking. so you burn up your weed a little faster, are you that stingy about it in the first place?

meatw4d

11-05-2007, 01:03 AM

I'm pretty sure a bong should get you higher because of the bigger, cooler hits.

And to answer one of the original questions, if your bong isn't made out of plastic, I don't see why you'd think fire would harm it.

BlueNWhite

11-05-2007, 01:06 AM

ok if you have the balls to smoke the weed in an apartment I think you can manage to find the courage to fill up a water bottle use the water then when your done smoking refill the water bottle. or my choice it go to the bathroom say your gonna take a long shower clog the door w/ a towel intil fully steamed up then smoke and then turn off the water wait ontill all the steam has seteled and hide the bong in your cloths wrap a towel around yourself and go to ur room. re-hide bong and listen to Afraid by: Motley Crue over and over

jsn9333

11-05-2007, 03:17 AM

Don't be impressed. It's not my lab... it was procured by NORML and MAPS for the benefit of tokers everywhere.

Oooh a high tech lab... I'm really impressed now =/

Worst study EVER

jsn9333

11-05-2007, 03:21 AM

whats this then
even if the thc was not mixed into the water it would still be getting into your system.

That was a joke. I don't know who could drink that shit without throwing up... much less who would.

Reefer Rogue

11-05-2007, 08:30 AM

Don't be impressed. It's not my lab... it was procured by NORML and MAPS for the benefit of tokers everywhere.

Do you work for NORML?

Have you ever smoked a bong?

That study proves nothing without an external reference providing clarity and backing. It was done many years ago.

jsn9333

11-05-2007, 02:28 PM

Do you work for NORML?

Have you ever smoked a bong?

That study proves nothing without an external reference providing clarity and backing. It was done many years ago.

I do not work for NORML, but I respect their work. I used to smoke only out of a water bong; now I smoke out of a pipe (a fairly long one to let the smoke cool).

Again, this is the only study I have ever heard of that set out to scientifically measure the efficiency of a water bong compared to regular smoking when it comes to THC content and tar filtering. If you don't have any other studies showing this one is wrong, then I'm going to go with it (and my personal experience which is that a pipe gets me higher, faster).

Why would I assume sticky tar sticks to water but sticky cannabinoids don't? I don't care how old the study is... you're not showing me any studies newer or opposing this one.

Reefer Rogue

11-05-2007, 03:46 PM

Enemy of Real1ty

11-05-2007, 03:57 PM

jsn9333

11-05-2007, 06:52 PM

My point is, you're not getting any higher then I am by smoking a pipe instead of a bong. If you smoke 0.3 in a pipe or 0.3 in a bong, it's the same except the pipe is a lot more harsh. The water is proven to filter out carcinogens, unlike a pipe...

That's fine. I don't claim to be getting higher then you, and I don't care whether or not I get higher then you. All I care about is that I get higher faster smoking a pipe instead of a water bong. That's just me. And the only scientific study I know of showed that the water filtered out 30% more THC then tar. That's significant to me.

420_24/7

11-05-2007, 09:06 PM

Bongs ftw, gotta gree with reefer rogue, the amount of thc "lost" in a bong is so miniscule, that it really makes no difference, the study that was done, was done in a time when weed was a lot less potent, probably making it somewhat of a difference back then.

the study was done just a few years ago
but they use low potency cannabis because there is a limit to the amount of thc that it can legally contain when being tested.

Mex

11-05-2007, 09:14 PM

You are way too sketch. I used to have a bong and I would use it at night in my room with my parents home, and after I was done I would just pour the water into a water bottle and hide the water bottle behind a drawer in my dresser. I would keep using new bottles until I had the chance to dump them one day. It's pretty simple really, but it may be easier for me because I have a fridge in my room so I always have bottles laying around my room. Get a funnel if its messy or something.

420_24/7

11-05-2007, 09:28 PM

I must ask if you read the entire study,
i didnt, i only read the parts about water filtration because thats what concerned me, i saw that it may filter more thc than tar, but even so that could be because it filter barely any tar and barely any thc.

But this is what caught my interest

Nonetheless, it is still premature to judge that waterpipes are actually unhealthful, since they may filter out other, non-solid smoke toxins occurring in the gas phase of the smoke, which was not analyzed in the study. Noxious gases known to occur in marijuana smoke include hydrogen cyanide, which incapacitates the lung's defensive cilia; volatile phenols, which contribute to the harshness of the taste; aldehydes, which promote cancer; and carbon monoxide, a known risk factor in heart disease. Previous studies indicate that water filtration may be quite effective in absorbing some of these [Nicholas Cozzi, Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review, MAPS Newsletter, Vol. IV #2, 1993]. If so, waterpipes might still turn out to have net health benefits.

This would mean that with a bong you are preventing many of these harmful chemicals from entering your body, and with a pipe you still get the same if not more tar.

Reefer Rogue

11-05-2007, 10:02 PM

Bravo sir

c33p

11-05-2007, 10:04 PM

lol this is hilarious this is wot u do get 2 bottles of water 1 full 1 empty use the full one to fill ur bubler then jus empty water bottle into another empty bottle. wot r ur parents goin to say? its not like ther gona be wonderin y u got a bottle of water in ur room lol

Enemy of Real1ty

11-06-2007, 01:09 AM

Never actually read the, was just going by what you guys were saying, whats the actual potency level of weed used in studies as compared to ..say normal dro.

420_24/7

11-06-2007, 01:53 AM

they used cannabis that had 2.3% thc. They even stated that it is low potency and that if it were higher quality the results would have been different

Dr Frylock

11-06-2007, 09:29 AM

dude an amp is the best place to hide shit. cause thats where i hide my stuff at.

jsn9333

11-06-2007, 12:40 PM

Yeah, I read that part. When it comes to other chemicals alone it may be better to use a bong. Key word they use is "may". They haven't studied that to then extent they've studied the tar/THC ratio.

The study showed that water certainly filters out more THC then tar (also a known cancer causing agent). They aren't sure whether or not it filtered out more THC then the other known cancer causing chemicals. Basically they are saying don't throw your bong out because of one study. And I agree... if a bong works better for you then stick to it.

I also vaporize when I use a pipe for most of the initial hits (via the "Ubie method"). This lets me hold in the first few hits off the bowl that are pretty much all cannabinoid vapor... with no worry that I'm holding in carcinogenic chemicals. So all in all smoking in a pipe is much more efficient for me, saves my weed, and is just the way to go for me.

Nonetheless, it is still premature to judge that waterpipes are actually unhealthful, since they may filter out other, non-solid smoke toxins occurring in the gas phase of the smoke, which was not analyzed in the study. Noxious gases known to occur in marijuana smoke include hydrogen cyanide, which incapacitates the lung's defensive cilia; volatile phenols, which contribute to the harshness of the taste; aldehydes, which promote cancer; and carbon monoxide, a known risk factor in heart disease. Previous studies indicate that water filtration may be quite effective in absorbing some of these [Nicholas Cozzi, Effects of Water Filtration on Marijuana Smoke: A Literature Review, MAPS Newsletter, Vol. IV #2, 1993]. If so, waterpipes might still turn out to have net health benefits.

TormentedImp

11-08-2007, 05:47 PM

if u have a color changing piece ur best off leaving the water in there to get dirty an nasty, the piece needs to get dirty to change color, clean it and ull lose the color. id just find a better hiding place, but i dont know how invasive your parents can be

secondly im not big fan of staying inside and smoking by myself if u have any nearby woods or burnt out buildings they could make for a chill smoking spot with ur friends