Jesus wants an army, and the bible is the book of war

[40oz]

I was raised in a fairly strict catholic household. When I got into my teenage years I decided that the religion wasn't for me and I left it I guess you could say. I had some experience reading the bible but I had never really retained much information from it.

Presently, I am reading the bible from a literary perspective in my intellectual heritage class. It's a great read. So far I have found many interesting passages, many of them deal with war or conflict. I had decided to put a few of them on the board, to see what you guys think about some of the surprising things god and Jesus tells us. This is from the old and new testament.

Matthew 10.34

Not Peace, but a Sword
-Jesus speaking

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household.........(38) and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it"

Romans 13.1

Being Subject to Authorities
-Paul writing a letter to Roman people

"Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from god, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by god. Therefore whoever resists authority resists what god has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment....(4) for it is god's servant for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for the authority does not bear the sword in vain! It is the servant of god to execute wrath on the wrongdoer."

Deuteronomy 20.10

Rules of Warfare
- Words of moses I guess

When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you at forced labor. If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your god gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as booty the women, the children, the livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoils. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemy, which the Lord your god has given you. Thus you shall treat all the towns that are very far from you, which are not towns of the nations here. But as for the the towns of these peoples that the Lord your god is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that that breaths remain alive. You shall annihilate them.."

And this isn't really part of the whole war theme but I thought it was kind of funny...and sadistic.

Deuteronomy 21.18

Rebellious Children


If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and his mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of the his town at the gate of that place. They shall say to the elders of his town, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death."


So if you read all that, what do you think? or do you have anything to add?

[Coelho]

Well... i think taking small passages of the bible and interpreting them outside its context is somewhat dangerous... Most people decievers, like false religious leaders do it for their own benefit... if you select the right texts, you can reach almost any conclusion based on them.

[killerweed420]

Yeah but there are a lot more than these. It tends to lead a rational person to believe that either there was a lot of tampering with the original texts of the bible or some of these idiots that purportedly had talked to Jesus or god were not speaking to who they thought they were. But that is only if your a rational christian. If your a rational athiest you see all the lies for what they are. Just mind control.

[40oz]

I wasn't trying to bend the meaning of the bible in any way, just illustrating how ridiculous some of it is. I found those excerpts incredibly interesting, especially the one were Jesus claims he is not here to bring peace to the world. It makes sense in a way, the coming of Jesus has caused conflicts around the globe for hundreds of years.

[Krogith]

I wasn't trying to bend the meaning of the bible in any way, just illustrating how ridiculous some of it is. I found those excerpts incredibly interesting, especially the one were Jesus claims he is not here to bring peace to the world. It makes sense in a way, the coming of Jesus has caused conflicts around the globe for hundreds of years.

In context, Jesus is telling us that many will not except the bible's ways and Jesus' words, And Soon he is going to kill all who are not Following God's Laws.

You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.

Once this judicial Court case is Settled That is (Mankind can not rule them self, they need to follow God's Laws) Then Jesus who God has Apointed King Can then kill all opposers. All mankinds history sence Adam and eve's rebellion Proves that no matter what humans do they can NOT rule them self. No government, No Rulership, Nothing but God's Rule will work.

[Coelho]

In context, Jesus is telling us that many will not except the bible's ways and Jesus' words, And Soon he is going to kill all who are not Following God's Laws.

You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.

Once this judicial Court case is Settled That is (Mankind can not rule them self, they need to follow God's Laws) Then Jesus who God has Apointed King Can then kill all opposers. All mankinds history sence Adam and eve's rebellion Proves that no matter what humans do they can NOT rule them self. No government, No Rulership, Nothing but God's Rule will work.

WELL SAID! I couldnt put it in better words... i agree completly. :thumbsup:

[40oz]

You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.



Thats funny because God's law also commands you to kill cheating wives and to destroy populations that don't follow their god, among other violent things.


At least the Koran says all religions of abraham (Jews, Muslims, Christians) will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. Unlike the bible. This is also interesting because it seems like more people (at least in the USA) see the Koran as preaching more violence and intolerance for other religions than the bible.

[Krogith]

Thats funny because God's law also commands you to kill cheating wives and to destroy populations that don't follow their god, among other violent things.

The hebrew scriptures are about god bring up a people to have his son come down in this nation. The Greek are about his Son's life and what he wanted people to be doing untell he came for God's great Day.

In the Hebrew scriptures your right there were rules and things that nation had to follow, this was to keep them clean from the teachings around them. After Jesus Came on earth The old laws were Void and new laws were to guide this next step. Jesus wanted people to learn about his Father in heaven. and To Teach others about him.

And just in case your wondering the middle ages were not following god's laws they were the exact oppsit.

[beachguy in thongs]

You have to understand that not following God's laws is Exactly why you see all the suffering you see today. This World that you see today is a World with out God. This is what happends when you do not follow god's laws.



"Love thy neighbor." That should be God's only law.

When you realize that you can love everyone around you, God will appear, as clear as day. That's the thought that I had at 7:13, this morning. :smokin:

[Hardcore Newbie]

The hebrew scriptures are about god bring up a people to have his son come down in this nation. The Greek are about his Son's life and what he wanted people to be doing untell he came for God's great Day.

In the Hebrew scriptures your right there were rules and things that nation had to follow, this was to keep them clean from the teachings around them. After Jesus Came on earth The old laws were Void and new laws were to guide this next step. Jesus wanted people to learn about his Father in heaven. and To Teach others about him.

And just in case your wondering the middle ages were not following god's laws they were the exact oppsit.Why would a perfect being need to void their own laws? You'd think they'd make the best laws in the first go around.

[Krogith]

Why would a perfect being need to void their own laws? You'd think they'd make the best laws in the first go around.


No. The 1st set of laws was to guide a nation to survive in this world and stay around to produce a nation his son could be born into. If Jesus was just born and DID NOT have a nation waiting for him, do you think many would follow Jesus? The Nation of israel Was raised and given Laws for this purpose to have Jesus be Born into the Nation. Jesus came to earth to Die, that was his point he was dieing to wash all mankind of Adams Sin. Adam was a perfect human and Gave his life away when he rebeled. Every one of us was born from Adam and Thus Sinful. Every human death can not add up to Adams Death (a perfect human) So Jesus (another perfect Human)Was needed to come down to Die for Mankind.

Jesus perfect life and death was an exchange for mankinds Sins. Like the Sacrafices the people of israel were commanded by Law to do, Thoses were in fact a simbol of Jesus Dieing for all mankinds sins, so once Jesus Died they no longer needed to offer up animals for there sins sence Jesus died for all mankinds perfectly.

[Hardcore Newbie]

http://boards.cannabis.com/spirituality/140200-percieved-roundaboutness-bible.html#post1713216

I've made an argument with you in a new thread, Krogith, as to avoid derailing this thread off topic.

[twoguysupnorth]

40oz'er, the bible is there for all to interpet. Basically however you want too. I'm sure you have seen alot of those people on TV telling their version. Most of them just want your money not your faith, except your faiththat they will do "WONDERFUL" thing with your money. My advise. Read the whole book. Then reflect.

[palerider7777]

I wasn't trying to bend the meaning of the bible in any way, just illustrating how ridiculous some of it is. I found those excerpts incredibly interesting, especially the one were Jesus claims he is not here to bring peace to the world. It makes sense in a way, the coming of Jesus has caused conflicts around the globe for hundreds of years.

sounds like good teachings to me name 1 child that was no good as a kid and never listened to there parents and did evil things and go against everything the parents said that was right to do grow up and be anything good?? seems like theres 1 in every family seems like theres always 1 good one and 1 bad one in every family so going by those teachings would this world not be a much more peaceful place??? and i would bet people like gacy,dahmer,son of sam to name a few but u know they were evil as kids too.

[palerider7777]

Why would a perfect being need to void their own laws? You'd think they'd make the best laws in the first go around.

don't worry he did

[palerider7777]

Thats funny because God's law also commands you to kill cheating wives and to destroy populations that don't follow their god, among other violent things.


At least the Koran says all religions of abraham (Jews, Muslims, Christians) will be accepted into the kingdom of heaven. Unlike the bible. This is also interesting because it seems like more people (at least in the USA) see the Koran as preaching more violence and intolerance for other religions than the bible.

well the koran also says that if someone won't convert to spill there blood so i don't see how it's any more peaceful

[randomname4888]

If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane.
thats how i see it

[twoguysupnorth]

religion is a belief. No matter what religion you chose to belief in. You have to remember that. So it really is "what you believe". Life really is to short to hate people that don't fall into your "belief patterns". I say to each there own. only time will tell.

[slavetopot]

he Bible is nonsense in a thousand different scientific ways.

* Man did not come from a handful of dust through some mythological being. Man evolved from other species like every other living thing has for hundreds of millions of years.

* The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.

* There was no tower of Babble.


Ask yourself this simple question: Why, when you read the Bible, are you not left in awe? Why doesn't a book written by an omniscient being leave you with a sense of wonder and amazement? If you are reading a book written by the all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving creator of the universe, wouldn't you expect to be stunned by the brilliance, the clarity and the wisdom of the author? Would you not expect each new page to intoxicate you with its incredible prose and its spectacular insight? Wouldn't you expect the author to tell us things that scientists have not been able to discover yet?

Yet, when we open the Bible and actually read it, we find it is nothing like that at all. Instead of leaving us in awe, it leaves us dumbfounded by all of the nonsense and backwardness that it contains. If you would look at the Bible fresh, and read what it actually says, you find that the Bible is ridiculous. The examples shown above barely scratch the surface of the Bible's numerous problems. If we are honest with ourselves, it is obvious that an "all-knowing" God had absolutely nothing to do with this book.

The Bible is a book written thousands of years ago by primitive men. A book that advocates senseless murder, slavery and the oppression of women has no place in our society today. It is time for us to recognize this simple fact.

[beachguy in thongs]

* The Bible talks about a world-wide flood that covered earth in 5.5 miles of water and killed everything, yet we know it never happened. That is clear from the archeolgical record.


When the Earth was formed, after meteorites pounded the surface, the Earth was once a water-world.

At least, that's what the History Channel said, when it was describing how the Earth formed. It was recently, some others may have seen it.

[angry nomad]

Well, another one of these religion argument threads.... But, I can't help myself. There are many scriptures in the Bible that taken out of context are sexist, racist, homophobic, endorse slavery, polygamy, genocide and human sacrifice. But, when you actually look at those verses in context, they say the same thing. On my myspace blog, I have a very long list, but it took me about three hours to write it. Human sacrifice? Oh yes. More than once, to the God of Abraham.

[BUDSHOTS]

Mabie when all the snow melts on arafat we'll see if the ark .....is there! I like that posters profile...slave to pot. jesus sets slave free!

[Chong Version 2.0]

Ahhhh religion, the opiate of the stupid.

[twoguysupnorth]

well slave don't quite agree with your thinking, or yours chong. But thats okay. Angry Nomad you are looking in the right spots and making up your own mind, thats what I did. All is not "right" in the bible, at least not to/for the way we have to live now. But again it's there for interpretation. I think it was desighned that way. But again what do I know. I'm just a spiritual being. I believe in Science and Religion both. I just wish we could all just get along. Someday we will have to just to survive!

[wickerbill]

If people want to believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky, that watches every human being on earth and knows every thought they think, and impregnated a 13 yo virgin and loves everybody at the same time is the god of vengence etc,etc, have at it, to each his/her own. I'll take quantum physics, thank you.

[twoguysupnorth]

wicker ? whom is the 13 year old virgin? just wondering. would like to hear your answer.

[slavetopot]

My problem with God is why does he not heal Amputees? He says that if two or more of you gather in his name, he will answer your prayer. Get a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident. If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch. What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.

And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.

No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day.

[beachguy in thongs]

My problem with God is why does he not heal Amputees? He says that if two or more of you gather in his name, he will answer your prayer. Get a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident. If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch. What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.

And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.

No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day.

Hopefully, we will evolve into having that capability, ourselves.

[wickerbill]

Hi twoguys, the general theory is that Mary was thought to be around 13 when she became "with child" supposedly by the holy spirit, although this appears only in two of the gospels both of which had political/recruiting agendas, sorry, have to go but will discuss more later if you like.

[beachguy in thongs]

I thought that the secret, the Freemasons kept, was that God came as a woman, also. In Mary Magdalene. Something about proving the entire Catholic religion false.

[twoguysupnorth]

slave you are expecting too much! Every case is judge on its own merits. Yes I did say judged. And he is the one that does that. He can we cannot. What about all the other miracles?? You can't expect him to just give them them away can you? I'm sure all of them deserve it, and if it was in my power to do I would. Maybe we shouldn't be over there doing what we are, and that is what he is trying to tell us. Every think of that? We all make our own decisions in life. Now don't call me a hardass, unless that makes you feel better.

[twoguysupnorth]

wickerbill, I did not know that, guess you can learn somthing new everyday. I always thought she was a few years older than that, but I don't remeber it ever being said how 0ld she was. You may be right. I'll have to check it out. would love to chat with you sometime about this.

[SFGurrilla]

You have to figure too. The bible is like a book of guidelines to follow for a happy Irie life. A lot of those passages are old, but look at the bible and look at now. I dont take it as religion but more a book of history to base off modern day culture and how it has formed over hundreds of years.

Thoughts?

[BUDSHOTS]

My problem with God is why does he not heal Amputees? He says that if two or more of you gather in his name, he will answer your prayer. Get a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident. If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch. What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.

And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.

No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day.
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Kirlian's work, from 1939 onward, involved an independent rediscovery of a phenomenon and technique variously called "electrography," "electrophotography," and "corona discharge photography." The underlying physics (which makes xerographic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerography) copying possible) was explored as early as 1777 by Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Christoph_Lichtenberg) (see Lichtenberg figures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichtenberg_figures)). Later workers in the field included Nikola Tesla (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla); various other individuals explored the effect in the later 19th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_century) and early 20th centuries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20th_century). Yet Kirlian took the development of the effect further than any of his predecessors.
In controversial metaphysical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysical) contexts, Kirlian photography, Kirlian energy, and so on, are sometimes referred to as just "Kirlian." Kirlian made controversial claims that his method showed proof of supernatural (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernatural) auras (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aura_%28paranormal%29), said to resemble a rough outline of the object like a colorful halo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_%28optical_phenomenon%29). An experiment advanced as evidence of energy fields generated by living entities involves taking Kirlian contact photographs of a picked leaf at set periods, its gradual withering being said to correspond with a decline in the strength of the aura. Scientifically, it is considered more likely that as the leaf loses moisture it becomes less electrically conductive, causing a gradual weakening of the electrical field at the drier edges of the leaf......so according to this the amputated whatever is still there you just cant see feel or taste or smell it1

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[40oz]

You have to figure too. The bible is like a book of guidelines to follow for a happy Irie life. A lot of those passages are old, but look at the bible and look at now. I dont take it as religion but more a book of history to base off modern day culture and how it has formed over hundreds of years.

Thoughts?

Its more like a book of guidelines to live a restricted life for the sake of following god's law.

[Mr. Happy]

The Golden Rule is the main message of Jesus. We are to love our brother as ourself. We are all perfectly equal in the eyes of God and in truth, we are one united holy son of God. We have just forgotten who we really are.

[Mr. Happy]

War and killing is the work of the pittyful ego in all people. Jesus was egoless and thus the expression of love and truth, the way and the light. Christ is the God essence in all of us. Jesus knew that one must follow the Holy Spirit, manifest in all religions as love. Any alternative is the rejection of reality (love) in favor of conceptual illusions and fear. I don't think Jesus meant this as a threat but a simple, uncompromising fact to steer us correctly.

Men make war and killing on each other in fear of eachother. Don't blame fear and hatred on Jesus or the Heavenly Father who only loves us. Fear results from the false identity we have created for ourselves because it is false and death is its god.

"What is Real cannot be threatened. What is unreal does not exist. Herein lies the Peace of God" Jesus Christ - in A Course In Miracles.
Thanks, Mr. Happy

[Narf!]

If Jesus wants an army, take your ass to the Holy Land and go to war against the Muslims. They don't believe in Jesus. You now have a valid excuse to hate a large group of people that you don't understand. For no other reason than that they are different than you. Or maybe Christians that seek peace. I guess they don't sit right with you either.

[albertwalker]

well in the end we are supposed to have a huge war, god wants to create an army. you should read into the "foridden books of the bible" bible stories they didnt want to put in the bible but are texts that were circulated for centuries. the book of jubilees is one i recommend

[skunke]

I personly believe jesus must of been a etrordinarry person becausehe is not only mentioned in christianity but in many other religoins like islam. Also jesus did not right the bible but others did,ever play the game telephone? ever ntice how a sentence gets distorted and changed?People hear what they want to hear.The bible was revised many times, many new texts where submited and removed.The bible is the word of man and not god, i personly believe it should never be taken lituarly and should be taken as a grain of salt.