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Rock.Steady
10-31-2007, 04:52 AM
welcome to my 2nd log.
Meet "Ping" and "Pong"
Thai clones with LST.

clipped from mother aprox 17 weeks ago.(yes, 17, see the log)
had major rooting issues which slowed them to a crawl.
when they did take root, slowed their growin with low watts CFLs.
veg was under blue spec CFLs, 2 15's, then 2 26's with 18-6 cycle.
topped twice and went LST.
the pots are 12 in diam and 12 in deep.
moved to flower room approx 3 weeks ago.
MG soil+ 1/4 perlite, usin BigBloom and SuperThrive, also sprayed with Reverse today (saw nanners, tried to switch:wtf:).
This is a real Thai and will prolly take about 12-16 weeks to finish.
not too many updates, unless its dramatic.

pics start from 3 weeks ago, last week of veg.

http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/Pong.JPG

then moved to flwr. 12-12
currently under 6 26w red cfl's, will get hps asap.

2 weeks ago,,,,, after 1 week 12-12.

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http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/P10100029.JPG

and this past weekend

http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/P10100542.JPG

http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/P10100512.JPG

more to come.

Rock.

xxxhazexxx
10-31-2007, 08:10 AM
very nice :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

zebulon
10-31-2007, 02:13 PM
Rock...you Rock !!!:thumbsup:

Weedhound
10-31-2007, 04:50 PM
Damn Rock.....leave it to you to take a lovely tall sativa and make it look like THAT! :S2:
Damn they really are growing nice.

Dude... get your hps bulb for those kids. They WILL thank you later. ;)

Rock.Steady
10-31-2007, 06:14 PM
Damn Rock.....leave it to you to take a lovely tall sativa and make it look like THAT! :S2:
Damn they really are growing nice.

Dude... get your hps bulb for those kids. They WILL thank you later. ;)

ironically,,,,think back to my first post when (in my newbie optomism) i thought i was gonna do all kindsa stuff and instead had a near disaster.

NOW look at me:D
"hey mom, look what i did"
you're right! hahaha, yeah, i turned a Thai into a bush.
i counted at lest 15 "tips" which could develop into colas of varying size.:thumbsup:

I'll try to get a close up of the main split, literally AT ground level!

funny, sure looks like more than 1 plant in each of those pots.:wtf::D

i'm trying to get the hps in a week.

Rock.

Weedhound
10-31-2007, 06:52 PM
Take it easy.....you've already got hermie issues......that sativa is probably VERY sensitive to stress.

HPS....:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Rock.Steady
10-31-2007, 07:12 PM
ur rite, there i go gettin all fired up again, LOL.

i think we'll be ok, i plucked all the nads i found.
i keep checkin each mornin.
did spray down with the Reverse, and it said rite on the bottle "will knock down any unwanted flowers within 24-48 hrs"

i'll keep checkin em and spray again in 10 days.

i'll likely train and spray the Russians too.

Weedhound
11-01-2007, 01:20 AM
I think the russians will stand up to you much better.....I had two pure haze plants that hermied on me because of some minor light coming through the kitchen window (I was growing outside at the time.....and here's ANOTHER reason I don't grow outside...:wtf:)
Makes me wonder about just how sensitive the sativas are generally.....:cool:

Weedhound
11-01-2007, 06:10 PM
Well unlike your century long sativas the russians should be JUSST about ready for harvest.....:D

the image reaper
11-01-2007, 06:42 PM
I think the russians will stand up to you much better.....I had two pure haze plants that hermied on me because of some minor light coming through the kitchen window (I was growing outside at the time.....and here's ANOTHER reason I don't grow outside...:wtf:)
Makes me wonder about just how sensitive the sativas are generally.....:cool:

in my experiences, I have long suspected that 100% sativas, as well as 'most' exotic hybrids with lots of sativa-influence, seem to be more sensitive, and don't handle stress well ... just my 'suspicions', I don't have 'facts' to back it up, just running my mouth :D

Rock.Steady
11-01-2007, 07:44 PM
snuck in under cover of darkness.

the new veg cabinet built under the main shelf was creating 'moonglow' thru the cracks. never tested it to be sure, was in huge hurry and slapped it together and ran outta town for a week.

ok, situation has been 100% corrected and tested for zero lite emmissions today.

sprayed the Reverse Tuesday and will again in 10 days from then, per the directions. please pray.

also plucked a couple more lil green jingle balls this AM.
will continue checking for them.

"DOH"!

Psycho4Bud
11-01-2007, 07:52 PM
Thai Bondage..........I was expecting so much more.

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

Weedhound
11-01-2007, 07:56 PM
Catchy title isn't it? :D

Rock.Steady
11-01-2007, 08:30 PM
WOW!
a visit from the ModFather!

I feel honored.:thumbsup:

sorry to disappoint, but coulda swore i saw somethin bout 'no p0rn' in the FAQ section:wtf::D
got a few links if ya want em;)

Weedhound
11-01-2007, 10:36 PM
A visit? Did you get a kiss? Uh oh.....it was nice knowing you Rock.....:D

Rock.Steady
11-01-2007, 10:44 PM
Thai Bondage..........I was expecting so much more.

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

nah, he made me an offer i cant refuse:D

Psycho4Bud
11-01-2007, 10:53 PM
nah, he made me an offer i cant refuse:D

LOL...your loyalty is appreciated.:D

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

Weedhound
11-01-2007, 11:03 PM
:S2:

Rock.Steady
11-01-2007, 11:25 PM
LOL...your loyalty is appreciated.:D

Have a good grow!:jointsmile:

perhaps I can offer a small tribute in appreciation?

http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/P10100611.JPG

zebulon
11-02-2007, 11:44 AM
muhahaha...:lol5:

Weedhound
11-02-2007, 03:31 PM
Rock did I mention you were my best friend? :D Those look beautiful :thumbsup: Takes me right back the 70's.....when I was....ummm.....3. ;)

erock0609
11-02-2007, 04:22 PM
Hiya Rock!

Love the posts! kept me up for hours last night.:jointsmile: Thanks for putting so much time into it!

Im in week 2.3 of flowering Perl, a beauftiful Bubble Gum plant. Your post have given me that extra juice to keep me going strong through those last few weeks of waiting and waiting.

So thanks again and keep postin!!!!

E:smokin:

CannabisCarl2134
11-02-2007, 07:34 PM
Totally one of the Cleanest(Neatly, done.) Grows ever, my personal favorite, since your still one CFL's. Can't wait until the next update. ~ Cheers

Rock.Steady
11-02-2007, 09:36 PM
thanks for all the kind words folks.

ok, how bout some fresh pics?

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hydrocannabis
11-03-2007, 08:30 AM
looking very nice. bro.

Rock.Steady
11-04-2007, 01:35 AM
ok Weedhound, u finally broke me down.
it was just over a dollar a watt.

SunSystem2
250w HPS

300 clams with hortilux bulb.

pix tomorow after i hang it.
gotta blow another hole thru to the attic for more ventalation first. gonna have a buttload of repairs to do if i ever move outta here:wtf:

now what the hell am i gonna do with all these damm cfls???:wtf:

Rock.

tokr2153
11-04-2007, 05:48 AM
lookin good man what was the watts of those cfls u had and how many did you have

systrex
11-04-2007, 06:32 AM
now what the hell am i gonna do with all these damm cfls???:wtf:

Rock.

Side lighting....and/or lights for under the plant...

Rock.Steady
11-05-2007, 12:34 AM
ok WH, you've been waitin 4 this day ;)

BTW- today is start of week 5.

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temps in 70's, i can handle that:thumbsup:


coulda swore i heard angels singin earlier when i went in there:wtf:

rhizome
11-05-2007, 12:47 AM
It's full of ...stars...

hydrocannabis
11-05-2007, 12:52 AM
looken great. bro.

zebulon
11-05-2007, 01:09 AM
Rock this looks pretty good:thumbsup:... now that you have a HPS, things will go much better i think....and those 3 lil'Russian babies sitting in the bunker:D...awesome

Rock.Steady
11-05-2007, 01:10 AM
thanks guys.:D
and thanks for checkin in:thumbsup:


hey, got a Q

the sticks been hangin a week,
kinda crispy on outside but the stems dont snap yet and its still kinda fresh on the inside.

too soon to chop em into the jars?:wtf:


"in the bunker" thats priceless:thumbsup:

rhizome
11-05-2007, 01:16 AM
Don't jar 'em till the wood snaps- asking for mold.

That crispy coating will soften up again once they're in the jar for an hour- don't worry about it.

A week's not that long, esp for big stuff.

Rock.Steady
11-05-2007, 01:18 AM
cool deal, thx Rhiz.:thumbsup:

erock0609
11-05-2007, 04:58 AM
Rock, how much time do you spend with your plants? I find myself looking at mine any free time I get.

Great set up!

Rock.Steady
11-05-2007, 12:18 PM
Rock, how much time do you spend with your plants? I find myself looking at mine any free time I get.

Great set up!

thanks, im diggin the setup too.
seems theres always something to check or improve.
and then there are the endless times I just stand there n stare.:wtf:

"how much time", you ask? a LOT:D

Weedhound
11-07-2007, 03:16 AM
But you can warm it back up with all those goddamn cfls :D

That looks GREAT Rock.!!!....NICE deal......two seperate setups together....temps in the 70's.....you're blowing holes in your attic......yep.....everything's right with Rock's world. :thumbsup:

Question for Rhizome that just occured to me. Rhizome, Rock was thinking about selfing one of those clones. Now that he's used the Reverse....even in the wacky way he did....what do you think about the selfing?

Rock.Steady
11-07-2007, 03:25 AM
oh yeah, almost forgot.

yeah, i am still strongly considering it.

however,,,,,I do still have 4 more 16 year old beans,,,same batch:wtf:

i could prolly get another one to pop.

hmmm, ya kno, now that i think about it,,,,,if i can't self one of these, even if i try, that would be one hell of an endorsment for Dutch Master.

oh, BTW, you kno me by now,,,,
when i was picking up the Reverse, the guy handed me the lil DM booklet.....and of course i had to read it.....

well, when i picked up the HPS, I also got some more DM products.
Penetrator (foliar wetting agent)
MAX-FX (youll love this chit)

http://www.progressive-growth.com/prodimages/dmmaxfxbloom-l.gif

Dutch Master's Max-FX Grow and Flower foliar feeds were designed to feed your leaves complex carbohydrates and amino acids that cannot make it through the root zone.

Max-FX increases fruit size by up to 30% and produces a tastier more aromatic yield with much higher sugar content on the Brix Scale. The result is larger sweeter tasting plants! Max-FX, as part of Dutch Master's unique foliar range that is to be used in conjunction with Folitech (foliar spray to increase plants usage of grow light), and Penetrator (a unique catalyst/delivery agent to maximize foliar feed absorption through the leaves).

i kinda need a bigger cabinet for all my nutes.
this is getting bad, i may need a 12 step program:wtf:

CannabisCarl2134
11-07-2007, 03:37 AM
^ Interesting Stuff. I like it! Keep up the good work.

Weedhound
11-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Rock that stuff was not only the list of super-cool-stuff-to-use given to me by my hydro guy so I'm afraid I'm not familiar with it.

What exactly does it do?

Rock.Steady
11-07-2007, 07:28 PM
wow, opportunity to help u instead???
hell MUSTA froze over,LOL!


well, 1st this is a foliar spray, so can b used hydro, or not.

2nd, hydro-store guy, where i got it said "there are similar products out there, but THIS is the BEST"


and well, just like the lil disclaimer says: Dutch Master's Max-FX Grow and Flower foliar feeds were designed to feed your leaves complex carbohydrates and amino acids that cannot make it through the root zone.

Max-FX increases fruit size by up to 30% and produces a tastier more aromatic yield with much higher sugar content on the Brix Scale. The result is larger sweeter tasting plants!

it was also noted in the product brochure that it increases flower size up to 30% as well.

these are good enuf reasons for me to give it a try.

it was only 30 clams for the pint, and use is 4 tablespoons per quart of spray solution(water), twice a week till runoff of leaves.

he also suggested I use a lil less than directions.
i use 10 oz. water, with 1 tablespoon MAX and 1 tablespoon Penetrator, and i dump about 2 oz. down the drain when done.

i will say this, the flowers are bigger EVERY DAY.
could b the HPS.:wtf:
could b the MAX.:wtf::wtf:
could b BOTH.:wtf::wtf::wtf:

CannabisCarl2134
11-07-2007, 07:42 PM
Hopefully it is both!:thumbsup: I Might Meander down the the hydro shop, this evening and see what they have for foliar feeds. I also like how it states 30% bigger flowers! YAY!! lol
Like they say "Big Flower's....Big.......Pot..." hahaha

Weedhound
11-07-2007, 08:40 PM
Does it say how long you are supposed to use it during flower? I'm REALLY paranoid of mold and fungus since my WR's came up with some.....I've always heard it's bad voodoo to spray stuff on buds unless absolutely necessary.

I just took another look at that nice light of yours. Very nice....and it's about time you got on the ball. :D

Rock.Steady
11-07-2007, 09:45 PM
well, as far as "when" or "how often"?
the only thing it says is twice a week.

I will say this. This morning, I went thru my lil foliar shenanigans and the leaves were completely dry in the 10 minutes it took me to make a cup of coffee!

now, i dont know if, they were thirsty(possible as i am letting the soil really dry out a couple days before next watering), or if this 'wetting agent' makes it absorb faster, or the heat from the HPS(doubt that, i did the hand test when i set it up) but the fact is I was shocked by how fast it completely dried up.

I am definately with u on the mold concerns, but, its early in the girls cycle, so, i figure i'm cool. Plus, like I said, I have noticed growth every morning. I will likely not use for the duration of this stage, but, will for a coupla weeks at least for sure:D

if any GrowHeads can offer insight on when i should STOP spraying, please do post up, and Thanks!:thumbsup:
and remember, this is a Thai and we have 2 months to go yet.

Jesus, 2 months! what the hell was i thinkin clonin Thai:wtf:

Weedhound
11-07-2007, 10:38 PM
The penetrator does make things absorb faster imo. I use something called VHO by Advaned nutrients that is used in the veg stage as opposed to flower.....daily until two weeks after you turn them.

Make sure you are raising your light WAY high to let those things dry out....they'll burn easier under hps than the cfls. ;)

Rock.Steady
11-07-2007, 11:33 PM
prolly a good foot n half to the light.
like i said, i did the 'hand' test, made sure it wasnt too hot.

hey, temps been dippin to about 60 in the room at night (dont ask, attic vents, old house, no insulation) you think that will be a problem?
i know they dont like extreme changes in day/nite temps.
whats too extreme?:wtf:

rhizome
11-08-2007, 05:36 PM
could b the HPS.:wtf:
could b the MAX.:wtf::wtf:
could b BOTH.:wtf::wtf::wtf:

It's the HPS.

Weedhound
11-08-2007, 05:50 PM
It's the HPS.

Its AMAZING how much difference the light makes. I never understood this until I started growing....to me a light was a light and I was sure the plants would feel the same way. :D It REALLY does make me appreciate the power of the sun.....even though I don't use the sun to grow. :)

CannabisCarl2134
11-09-2007, 09:51 PM
I would get a space heater, 60 is kinda cold, is that 60 Celsius or Fahrenheit? Ya the HPS looks like its doing a lot more for your plants then 100 CFL's.

Rock.Steady
11-09-2007, 11:12 PM
space heater? wow, i dont need more electric stuff.
what i really need is some kinda damper and thermostat controlling the attic vents.
hmm, that sounds like a good idea, maybe this weekend.
my worry is roasting them with the HPS.
and im paranoid to burn the place down.
I'll check different scenarios this weekend.
i only hung it sunday, so, i had no chance to evaluate and i worked late every day, and was dam cold when i got home.

i think they might be gettin a lil yellow from the temp changes.
i gotta check that grow guide and see. the one does look like its fadin a lil.
not sure, but im sure i can fix it, whatever it is.
it might also be reacting to the nutes.

this grow is kinda all new-
-clones
-hps
-new sprays
-fall/winter

erock0609
11-10-2007, 01:17 AM
Im sure you will get it taken care of rock.:thumbsup:

Would adding insulation to the outside of the grow room help?

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Rock.Steady
11-10-2007, 01:48 AM
nah, thats not it. but thanks for the thought;)

im using the attic as cool air input to the room, for fresh air and also to keep the temps from going too high with the HPS.
ill have all day tomorow to evaluate.

Weedhound
11-10-2007, 02:18 AM
60 isnt terribly cold but it WILL slow growth down. Better get on that before they get upset. :( There's always tons of theories but I like to stay between 65-75. ;)

Rock.Steady
11-10-2007, 02:29 AM
im on it, like trichs on a nug:thumbsup:

CannabisCarl2134
11-10-2007, 02:41 AM
Space heater isn't going to burn your shit down, make your own thermostat, from a car equipped with an electric fan, or rig one up yourself. I helped my friend making a thermostat for his grow room, because here in Oregon, it can get pretty damn cold even with a insulated home at night.

So we did exactly that, when the temp. reached 68 degrees, the heater kicked on, and kicked off at 74.8. That way we didn't suck too much oxygen out of the room and didn't let too much heat build-up.

Well just a thought. ~ Later

Rock.Steady
11-12-2007, 02:55 AM
Carl, thanks, thats not what i meant.
i have been paranoid of the HPS getting too hot.
its in a small space, 7x3.
i thought about the Tstat, but decided i didnt need it.
i was over compensating with cool attic air.

i think i gave the girls a lil chill at nite this past week.

MANY leaves are losing color and yellowing. at this point im not sure if they are rushing into the leaf dropping phase, or the cool night temps freaked them out a lil.

ill watch and try to make sure i dont freeze em this week.

meanwhile, the weirdest thing:wtf:
the flowers smell like grapefruit!:wtf:
yes, i said grapefruit!:wtf:

where is RHIZOME!!!
Rhiz, question for you o knowledgable one!
this new spray im using, MAX FX, claims to increase sugar content and flower size. Can i assume (as i did) that in our favorite plant, increasing sugar content would be a good thing, right? (sugar=trichs?????)
I kno the flowers are growing like mad, and theyr all crystally already!:thumbsup::D
what ya think? and any ideas on the yellowing event?
Ill snap some pics tomorow.

thanks!

Weedhound
11-12-2007, 03:43 AM
yeah, need photos....ages.........older leaves yellowing and falling off or younger ones?

Rock.Steady
11-12-2007, 03:53 AM
mostly lower ones.
just kinda weird.
im thinkin either she's inspired by the lite, and/or the cool nite temps last week, and/or, nutes???:wtf:

ill snap a couple pics in mornin.

i think once i figure out how to stabilize temps all 12 months, ill be golden.

oh yeah, this is start of week 6, oops:wtf::D

Weedhound
11-12-2007, 04:02 AM
yeah, pixel speak a thousand words... LOL!

Rock.Steady
11-12-2007, 12:06 PM
ok, heres pix
should i be concerned?
im just a bit spooked, cause its like all the fan leaf, all at once.

http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/P101000412.JPG

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it could also be something i never seen before, now that i have good lite.:wtf:

Weedhound
11-12-2007, 03:08 PM
Oh Rock....I'm just not smart enough with soil to say....that looks to me like normal nitrogen being used up by the plant....but if it is your sativas don't they have about 8 more weeks until done so that seems kind of fast and furious to me.....we need Rhizome or Stinky or Reaper to weigh in here.....:(

Weedhound
11-12-2007, 03:12 PM
Looking at your post about smelling like grapefruit....one strain I was growing I could SWEAR smelled like mint....my friend said it smelled like citrus and the hubby said it smelled like regular ganja so.....:wtf:

Rock.Steady
11-12-2007, 03:50 PM
yeah, im waitin for my roommate to reappear to confirm or deny the scent. I'm thinkin maybe the increased sugar output from the spray is making them smell fruity.
the stuff did say it would produce sweeter plants.

and like i said, yeah, might just be normal, and maybe the lites n new spray n that lil chill i gave them last week are expediting the leaf-drop process???:wtf:

i suppose anything is possible, right?

with this being week 6, comparo to the mother, yeah, about another 8-10 weeks, but, maybe with this grow having HPS instead of cfl's. maybe she's pickin up the pace a lil bit.?

where o where are our dirty lil experts???

erock0609
11-12-2007, 07:02 PM
Im no expert but I at least can send some positive vibes to them.

Get well soon girls!!:jointsmile:



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CannabisCarl2134
11-12-2007, 07:27 PM
Can cold weather bring the PH down? Just curious, cuz looks like Nitrogen def. to me?? BTW Grapefruit? Thats knarley!:jointsmile:

Rock here is a great Sick plants guide as well. Revised: The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles - PlanetGanja.com (http://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=8778)

Rock.Steady
11-12-2007, 07:46 PM
thanks Carl,:thumbsup: yeah, i have a saved and a printed copy of that previously.
excellent info in there, most comprehensive list of troubles ive ever seen on the nobel herb.

unfortunately, the info contained didnt really point me in 1 direction or another.

i'm hoping one of our resident gurus will chime in on this one.

and thanks for the good vibes E;)

Weedhound
11-13-2007, 01:05 AM
Carl I'm not sure about temps affecting ph in soil....but I can say that colder temps will have the plant thinking "hurry up and finish" plus he's topped the living be-jesus out of the thing so I'm sort of thinking more nutes.....but you really DO need to start thinking about ph Rock....like.....how to check it and adjust it.:wtf:

Rock I wouldn't add any nutes though if I were you until you talk to someone who knows what going on....;)

Rock.Steady
11-13-2007, 04:34 AM
hmmm, ok, so, where o where are the resident xperts when i need em.

Hound, what u say makes sense, and exactly what i was thinkin. if they got a lil colder than they wanted, yeah, they might be thinkin, "ok, hurry and finish".
im not sure what the exact results would be from that scenario, but maybe a blast of cold air is a way to hurry them up a lil?????????:wtf:
the other thing im thinkin/hopin, is, if they drop fan leaf in a hurry, and return to stable temps, maybe then they can concentrate just on flower.
my mom has a plant that vegg's all year, unless u blast it with co2. thats some cold chit. so, maybe same theory applies?????
but i am just speculating.
maybe a blast of arctic when flowering, is the key to speeding things up. A variety of peeps been askin bout speedin the flwr cycle.

topped only 3 times.
is that the bejesus quotient?

Weedhound
11-13-2007, 05:02 PM
For a sativa....yes....bejesus quoteint reached....:D

I know cold weather does speed them up ("hey....winter's coming....we have to hurry") but it will cost you in yield Rock. Watching this plant I have finish like it's in a speed race make me realize that I'm not sure the trade off is worth it. :(

Rock.Steady
11-13-2007, 06:20 PM
hmmm, agreed, im not looking to reduce yeild, but i wouldnt mind if they hurried up a lil bit, 16 weeks is a longassed time.

i bet the comrades beat them to the finish line:wtf:

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 03:05 AM
some quick pics, the upload is down:wtf:
so, attachments they are:smokin:

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 03:07 AM
holy crap, i cant belive its that ez to load pics that, way.

ok, couple more.

today is week 7.1

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 03:08 AM
last 1 ;)

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:01 AM
They look great Rock.....have you thought perhaps giving them a watering with a drop of superthrive to pop them with a little extra nitrogen.....i woudn't make a habit of it but a one time shot....

I love that last photo....you should make that one your avatar. ;)

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 04:23 AM
haha, funny u should suggest.
last watering (nearly a week:wtf:) was just water.
this one, was BigBloom n SuperThrive, plus gave em 1 more sprayin w the FX Max.

looks like it could turn into 12 colas if they fill in right.:jawdropper:

i think i let em get a lil too cool, now i cut back on cool air flow.
really gettin crystally early, i keep goin to my other log to compare the stages, mother to daughters.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/114977-1st-attempt-1st-post-18.html#post1610047 (http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/114977-1st-attempt-1st-post-18.html#post1610052)

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/114977-1st-attempt-1st-post-18.html#post1610052

page 18 was 7 weeks, a bit different for sure.:wtf:

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:29 AM
The second set of plants look much happier than the first. Thank god I've taught you SOMETHING LOL!!!! :S2: I have a feeling all that topping you did will add some time to your blooming....but the hps will work the other way. Wonder which one will win....;)

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 04:36 AM
The second set of plants look much happier than the first. Thank god I've taught you SOMETHING LOL!!!! :S2: I have a feeling all that topping you did will add some time to your blooming....but the hps will work the other way. Wonder which one will win....;)

hmmm, wonder if i have thai chocolate hearts for Valentines???:wtf:

now theres a gift that keeps on givin:D

guess i gotta find a new GF by then:wtf:

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:41 AM
Lol.....did you ever read one of my threads about the time I supercropped the living shit out of one of my sets of plants? I REALLY screwed them up but I went WAY more crazy than you did.

I think balancing nutes and watering will see you through. I thought I read somewhere that people usually add nutes every third watering (to prevent buildup in the soil) but I'm not positive SO DONT RUN OFF AND DO IT unless you've heard that elsewhere.....like from somebody who knows. :D

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 04:42 AM
I love that last photo....you should make that one your avatar. ;)

thanks for the cool idea, good eye, i like it too.
i'd rep ya, but cant
*Rep+*:thumbsup:



-edit, hmmm, i thought every other watering on nutes???:wtf:
where's Stinky?


-doubl edit
no, didnt see that threead.
i only clipped these twice.:wtf:
they did split kinda weird.

gettin ready to clip the comrades, there'r at their 5th node already.

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:46 AM
My q exactly.... WHERE ARE THE SOILHEADS??? :D

GO with topping those russians....they like it. i'll see if I can find that old thread.....I croppe and pruned etc so damn much I set them back by..like....MONTHS.

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 04:50 AM
My q exactly.... WHERE ARE THE SOILHEADS??? :D

GO with topping those russians....they like it. i'll see if I can find that old thread.....I croppe and pruned etc so damn much I set them back by..like....MONTHS.

hmm, u may b partially to blame:wtf:

werent u one of those darkside-cultists that converted Stinky to hydro? she's prolly measurin all that crazy stuff u guys use.:wtf:

j/k:D

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 04:52 AM
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/104329-help-rootbound-just-slow-growing.html


And here is another FASCINATING peek into Weedhound's world:

http://boards.cannabis.com/pets-animals/138646-my-chicken-just-beat-crap-out-me.html


:D

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:02 AM
wow, a year and a half ago, and look at you now!

your reply to Zandor is dead on!

Hugely Informative.
that explains MUCH:thumbsup:
mad rep to Zandor:thumbsup:


it was the super cropping that has caused your issue you are describing.

Each time you crop you ad 10-14 days to the veg cycle just to get back to the point in the growth where you started the crop.

In other words if you cropped say at week 2 for example then week 3 is wasted time as the plant need to recover and spend time and energy on recovery rather then new aged growth and moving forward. so you can't really count the recovery time as part if the true veg cycle time.

And super cropping you cropped more then once most time or you cut it way to close. You have an older root system and a younger structure system so yes give it plenty of drainage and room for the roots to grow out even more. That is one of the major setbacks in doing cropping.





Bless you oh knowledgable Zandor. You have described me perfectly.....I do believe I have about loved them practically to death. I am getting my new super duper microscope today so will be able to check the trichomes again and have learned my lesson about "improving" things (well I say that but really .....) I may have to go out and buy some sort of "Owner Off" type spray for them to keep me from picking on them so much. Should I keep them on the flowering nutes? Somebody mentioned using Budswel and ph'd water. What is your knowledgable thought on that? :D

and mad rep for you passin on great info :thumbsup:

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:12 AM
That's why we growers can all solve each others problems....we all do the EXACT same things to our plants!!!!! :D

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:14 AM
Also Rock.....topping one bud isn't supercropping but lets say you went and topped all the TOPS before you turned them and ended up with about 20 budsites or something...THAT i'd call supercropping.

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:17 AM
And here is another FASCINATING peek into Weedhound's world:

[url]http://boards.cannabis.com/pets-animals/138646-my-chicken-just-beat-crap-out-me.html


:D

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!:S2:

WOW, FUNNY CHIT.
GLAD UR OK,:thumbsup:

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:25 AM
gotcha on the supercroppin.

well, i clipped the clones twice, but they split funny, well, cause they were clones, not perfectly symetrical anyways.

the comrades i figure twice also, depending how they respond.
Zandors infor on recovery time and figuring that into the grow cycle is an eye opener.

here's something else to consider,
i also pruned Betty often, like to open up below for better light.
this may be another reason she took so long.
also as youve said previously, the possiblitiy that a sativa or strong sativa mix may be more sensitive to everything u do.

these and betty all being the same thai, its possible that she just doesnt like being fussed over:wtf:

we'll see what happens next.

Gundari
11-19-2007, 05:29 AM
I love the new avatar weedhound ^^.

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:33 AM
oh, hey, lets bring up an old, yet related topic.

the selfing.:wtf:

i been givin it some thought while watching them develop.
and remember, i Reversed em.


here's my thought.

I cannot see doing that to one of these, itll get to both, and ill be littered w beans. i dont really want that.:(

what if i clone the stronger of the 2 and re-veg?

i'd be willing to dedicate that one to selfing.

or, does going "clone, of a clone", degrade the strain.
it almost sounds immoral:wtf:

i think we may need ur pal Rhiz the botanical wizard:smokin:

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:34 AM
Ive just never grown sativas Rock and cant say but I thought reaper said something along the same line as well....that the sativas seem much more sensitive to stress and then Rhizome seemed to think that the lighting was holding Betty back too. I would have thought 900 light bulbs would have done it no matter WHAT kind they were. :D

Thanks Gundari. ;)

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:36 AM
oh, hey, lets bring up an old, yet related topic.

the selfing.:wtf:

i been givin it some thought while watching them develop.
and remember, i Reversed em.


here's my thought.

I cannot see doing that to one of these, itll get to both, and ill be littered w beans. i dont really want that.:(

what if i clone the stronger of the 2 and re-veg?

i'd be willing to dedicate that one to selfing.

or, does going "clone, of a clone", degrade the strain.
it almost sounds immoral:wtf:

i think we may need ur pal Rhiz the botanical wizard:smokin:

Yep....we need Rhiz. :thumbsup: And speaking of Reverse....seen any more balls on them?

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:39 AM
I honestly dont think you can self those anyway with the Reverse on them. My hydro guy told me that if lightning ever did strike and a ball appeared that it would be sterile (which happened with my one blueberry) and didn't the ones you took off before seem more mushy than "powdery" like pollen? That makes me wonder if they would just pop out sterile balls anyway and then things would REALLY be ruined.

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:45 AM
Ive just never grown sativas Rock and cant say but I thought reaper said something along the same line as well....that the sativas seem much more sensitive to stress and then Rhizome seemed to think that the lighting was holding Betty back too. I would have thought 900 light bulbs would have done it no matter WHAT kind they were. :D

Thanks Gundari. ;)

u r a WIZEASS
and they were CFL's,,,
critisized them enuf, should be engraved in ur memory....

or ar we gettin a lil fergetful granny?

j/k;)

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:49 AM
Speak up sonny or i'll pop you with my cane!! :D

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:52 AM
yes, agreed on the weird balls, opened up to what looked like a bunch of micro sized bananas, and they just fell away, but i mashed em.
was same way on don too, come to think of it.
weird:wtf:
or, maybe thats what they look like when they are premature?:wtf:

and, no, i gave em the second dose of Reverse and have not seen one since.
that stuff works! thanks!:thumbsup:

also, it was for sure a light leakage issue and thats solved.
now i have made many of the mistakes. should b smoother sailin

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:57 AM
Damn I FORGOT About the the light leak....no WONDER those things were hermie-ing. That ALONE would have done it.

I also didnt consider that the balls might just be premature either. :wtf:

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:59 AM
Speak up sonny or i'll pop you with my cane!! :D

thats funny chit.



oh, and for those following along.


900 light bulbs
at one point was actually like 10 or 12 lites on 2 plants
26/100w cfls.

*Scotty from Star Trek voice ON*
Captain! I'm givin er all she's got!
We need more dilithium crystals!
*Scotty from Star Trek voice OFF*





now with the 250HPS, its like angels singing when i open the door.:D

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 06:06 AM
It was a BUTTLOAD. :wtf:

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 06:21 AM
It was a BUTTLOAD. :wtf:

LOL
it started here
http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/114977-1st-attempt-1st-post-13.html#post1566225

specs on the lighting as it stands today.
and had for a bit, and may just stay this way for now.

i got 12 x 100/26w cfls (softs)
2 above each
2 behind each
2 in front each
im pullin about 312 actual watts in lights, 12 hrs a day.

lumens, 1750 each.

total 21,000 lumens

space, approx 32 inches wide x 24 inches deep.
pots are 12 inches tall


and looked kinda like this

http://gallery.cannabis.com/data/500/medium/P10100702.JPG


the specs on my 250 hps are 250w 3 amp
25,000-30,000 lumens.

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 06:25 AM
It makes one HELL of an x-mas decoration doesn't it? I got your message Rock and will do. ;)

My god...we've babbled all the way to page five. Gnight John Boy. :jointsmile:

mfqr
11-19-2007, 11:59 AM
Oh em gee! Nice log, Rock. I want some Thai so bad. Can't wait 'till you harvest and do a smoke report :). Cheerz

Rock.Steady
11-19-2007, 05:16 PM
hmm, actually i o a smoke report on Betty, but I dont know if I should revive the post.

i'll just post here till someone asks.
fact is, it was not nearly as potent as i hoped, or thought.
it wore off fast.
upon closer exam, i dont think enuf trichs went cloudy.
i prolly shoulda left it another week or 2, but couldnt take the waiting any longer.

i personally blew thru about 20 g's in about 10 days.
thats just too fast.
plus, my friends also said it wore off quick.
thats enuf proof 4 me.

from now on, ill wait til im completely positive they r ready.

with that said, i think somewhere around jan or feb, i should have a good report ready on these and the russians.

Weedhound
11-19-2007, 05:38 PM
Rock that's happened to me also when I've picked things too soon.....nice burst but no real substance. I think you are right when you say you harvested too early although I really can't imagine being that impatient. :S2:

Rock.Steady
11-20-2007, 02:16 AM
oh, hey, lets bring up an old, yet related topic.

the selfing.:wtf:

i been givin it some thought while watching them develop.
and remember, i Reversed em.


here's my thought.

I cannot see doing that to one of these, itll get to both, and ill be littered w beans. i dont really want that.:(

what if i clone the stronger of the 2 and re-veg?

i'd be willing to dedicate that one to selfing.

or, does going "clone, of a clone", degrade the strain.
it almost sounds immoral:wtf:

i think we may need ur pal Rhiz the botanical wizard:smokin:

ok, I'm bringing this back up, but with some more details on my proposition. did some research and thinkin:wtf:

of ping n pong, the one is definately lil bigger and healthier.
i would take from that one.

if it wont degrade the results, my thought is, choose a lollipop flower with long stick that still has the intermediate leaves at base of flower.
prune the flower off, let it heal, on plant, about a week.
then clip it,
hormone dip it.
root it.
reveg the new clone of clone.
go to flower with the expressed intent of selfing.
let it flower til it starts dropping the beans.

Then ill have fresh beans of this 16 year old thai while maintaining the strain....kinda:wtf:

zebulon
11-20-2007, 02:18 AM
Hy Rock....where can i find some new pics. of those Blue Russian nieces??? Long time not seen those lil Blue babys...how are they???

Rock.Steady
11-20-2007, 02:26 AM
hey zeb, sup?
yeah, i need to snap a few tomoro
gotta clip em too:wtf:
i think its like the 4th week.
but i popped em right in the bigguns, so, they can get comfy.
i figure ill slow em down a lil and get some splits and maybe train them too. i left room to top off the soil after strappin em down:angelsmiley:

when they move to flower, ill give em a log.
i guess a few guest appearances here first cant hurt:D

zebulon
11-20-2007, 02:41 AM
yes if you have time and don't need those bud's so quickly it is a good idea....
i was thinking how short most indoor growers keep they plants in the veg.cycle...
outdoors the plants are like 3-4 months in the veg.cycle...for me as a mostly outdoor grower it is a bit strange to keep the plants for 1 or max.2 months in the veg.cycle...

Weedhound
11-20-2007, 06:17 PM
Hey Rock....read update on my log when possible...clone talk. Rhizome tells me "it can be done....but it will be CHALLENGING" :eek:

Rock.Steady
11-20-2007, 06:44 PM
Hey Rock....read update on my log when possible...clone talk. Rhizome tells me "it can be done....but it will be CHALLENGING" :eek:

ok hon, did read ur post.
where is that link crispy was referrin to?

i think im gonna go for it tomoro morning.
1st step, prune the flower, just like Morticia in the Adams family:eek:
I will leave all smaller leaves, cause she will need em to draw the light during re-root.
give her a week to heal the pruning, then clone her out.

hey, have a lil faith in yourself! I saw your post.
Do you think I have any experience in cloning???:wtf:
and I have 2 Thai bushes now!

its a weeeeeeed;)


hehehe, let the Thai-Beaning Begin!
16 years she been waitin in storage.
I'll lead a campaign to re-establish Thai-High-Supremacy:D

Weedhound
11-20-2007, 06:46 PM
Ps....still waiting on info as to whether continous cloning weakens the clone.

Edit: just spoke to my hydro guy.....hardest time to clone but can be done. Probably a month before it will start to grow roots. Success rate will be lower....but not impossible. Clones DO get weaker over continous cloning but he says it would be like the 100th generation of clones.....you'd have to clone the same thing for YEARS before you start seeing those kind of problems.

Weedhound
11-20-2007, 06:52 PM
lol...the beaning. :D

Rock.Steady
11-21-2007, 12:09 AM
as requested.
in a recurring cameo role.
the comrades. (G,H,I) (blue russian)
4th week.
clipped right after these shots.


for names im thinkin Gina, Heidi, Ivana:D

Weedhound
11-21-2007, 02:14 AM
Irina...Valeria. (did you ever see Gorky Park?) They look terrific Rock.....I'm beaming from the sidelines. :thumbsup: Hey I'm leaning towards revegging my plant and taking clones.....have you thought about that for Ping or Pong perhaps?

Weedhound
11-21-2007, 02:16 AM
Tanya......they really do look happy as hell. Good work. ;)

Rock.Steady
11-21-2007, 06:05 AM
they came from a loving family :thumbsup:

nope, not whole plant, gonna do just like i have proposed,
and i like the info that came out on your thread.
but, im gonna do, just 1, just like i said, u'll see, this might be fun.;):D
and if its sucessful, an old strain of thai will be brought back into the great circle.:cool:

Weedhound
11-21-2007, 02:05 PM
I spoke to a couple of people over at IC Mag who have successfully cloned their plants 5-6 weeks into flowering but even those folks hemmed and hawed at the thought of cloning a FINISHED plant so I decided to go for the best odds and reveg (we're talking about me here......remember soil???? :eek:)

I'd love to have a few lovely Dutch thai seeds to try if you can make it work and if I can get this plant to reveg I'll be trying out cloning as well. :)

Rock.Steady
11-22-2007, 06:48 AM
ok, the experiment has begun.
see the new link in my sig.

week 7 cloning, I tried 2 volunteers.

and, who knows, if that doesnt work, maybe i will try to reveg after harvest?:wtf:

Weedhound
11-22-2007, 05:35 PM
Looks to me like you have a good start....week 7 for a sativa like that is probably like week 2 for a NORMAL plant....:D

Rock.Steady
11-26-2007, 12:01 AM
ok, update with pix
week 8.1

Rock.Steady
11-26-2007, 12:10 AM
and in a recurring cameo role.
a guest appearance by the comrades
topped a week ago +/- a day or 3
i think they'r in week 5 veg

Hennessy1414
11-26-2007, 01:35 AM
ok, update with pix
week 8.1

purple stems? in the first pic. nitrogen deficient if I'm correct:rastasmoke:

EDIT: wait dont hold me to what i said up there. check here for an idea A nutrient deficiency chart - YaHooka Forums (http://www.yahooka.com/forum/nursery/83035-nutrient-deficiency-chart.html)

Rock.Steady
11-26-2007, 01:47 AM
well, i dunno bout that either.
to be honest, their mom did the same exact thing.
yeah, i know, a few ppl asked bout that coloring, but, seemed to grow fine.
beats the crap outta me:wtf:

kinda weird stripes goin up the main stalk sometimes too. it comes n goes.
not all of em get dark, but, here's something else i noticed:

i re-tied them a couple weeks ago, and when i moved the yarn, there was green underneath. kinda like wearing a watch and going to the beach.
when i re-tied her, a few days later that spot was darker, like a tan.

some kinda photo-reactive phenomenon.

My thais like to tan???:wtf:

Weedhound
11-26-2007, 03:30 AM
They can be due to either genetics OR a deficiency I believe. It's easy to tell the difference imo because one has a true purple look...dark (genetics) and the (potassium??? not positive) has a definite reddish tint to the stem....more like a fuschia if you will buy that.

One you've seen the difference you'll know. Having said as much.....I DO think he's got a fair N def going on there so it wouldn't surprise me if he also has a K def as well.

Rock.Steady
11-26-2007, 04:17 AM
hmmm, think so?

the soil is that MG stuff, cut with old soil recycled from the previous grow.

only thing i can really think to do, is maybe add a lil more Big Bloom next watering. I have been going light so as not to burn em up:wtf:

or, maybe i should check my runnoff pH:wtf:

ok, well, next watering is coming up in a couple days.

i think i have one of those lame soil pH kits here somewhere.
and i got a water pH kit for a pool here somewhere, and it actually has the number readings on it.

Weedhound
11-26-2007, 04:19 AM
I don't know.....I'm just ragging on you. It's what I'm here for. :D

Weedhound
12-20-2007, 04:51 AM
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO UPDATE THIS LOG???!!!:wtf:

Rock.Steady
12-21-2007, 06:53 PM
u r absolutely rite, sorry for the delay.;)

end of week 10 for Ping n Pong.
looks like about another 6 weeks.:wtf:

they smell great and look like they r sugar dipped.
Thrichs on top of trichs, still clear. I'll wait this time.
i think the Max-FX helped out on that.

damm thais just take f o r e v e r:wtf:

2 quik pix ;)

hey WH, u get my email?

oh yeah, approx 1.5-2 ft tall

Weedhound
12-21-2007, 08:39 PM
No email.......I have dial up you know.....anything gets dropped it gets dropped there first.....

Ping and Pong look good. Those fuckers ARE taking forever.....10 weeks with a NORMAL strain you'd be puffing right now. Sigh....what a shame that they DO take so damn long.

How's the weedhounds' and the clones doing?

Shovelhandle
12-21-2007, 09:15 PM
I see my normal plants taking that long. Maybe some just don't like to turn amber, they will die with clear tricomes.

Shovelhambone

hydrocannabis
12-21-2007, 09:44 PM
like wooow. I rate this grow a score of a high 10.

Rock.Steady
12-21-2007, 11:05 PM
thanks for the posts folks.

WH- email resent.
oh, crap, i just realized ur on dialup.
i may have to shrink the pics i sent u.

Russians are BOOMIN! bushy as hell.
likely moving upstairs in a week.

aaaaand, i germed 3 of those crazy-red-nug beans i got a few months ago.
yeah, all 3 popped, LOL!

ways im lookin now,
Ping n Pong finish about Feb 1
the russians should be a week or 2 later.

and the reds will remain to be seen.

ill start a new log for the russians soon as i move them to flwr.

hmmm, wonder what i should do next???:wtf:

Rock.Steady
12-22-2007, 07:26 AM
.....10 weeks with a NORMAL strain you'd be puffing right now. ,,,,,

funny how u could compare anything i do to "normal":wtf:

nice:D

Weedhound
12-22-2007, 02:32 PM
This is a very true statement......:D

Sorry to hear about the nerwest clones. Seriously though......between the original and the clones it seems you've been flowering something FOREVER! Guess that's what I mean about a NORMAL strain. But you're right......normal is as normal does (Forest Gump ;))

How about some photos of the weedhounds when you get a chance?

Rock.Steady
12-23-2007, 05:41 PM
ur rite, does seem like i been flowerin for months!
but, actually, i'm tryin to figure out schedules so i can always have somethin in progress.;)

and now, in a recurring cameo role in this thread, and by request, the Blue Russians and the lil red sprouts too:thumbsup:

the russians are entering week 10 of veg with 2 tippings.
the red sprouts are 1 week old.

Weedhound
12-23-2007, 07:36 PM
Those REALLY look good Rock. Short, tight, bushy and healthy looking. :) Good work. :thumbsup:

I REALLY think you'll like the buzz off those russians. I'm dying to grow a few myself but my friend who grew a bunch outside this last summer still has some and I quite enjoy the buzz so that's been holding me over with them so far. ;)

Rock.Steady
01-08-2008, 10:21 PM
ok folks, mid-week 13
prolly another 3-4 weeks to go.
sample clipped yesterday for trich inspect and bioassy.

dismal results.:wtf:
bizillions of clear trichs, just barely turnin cloudy:(

virtually all leaf has yellowed and fallen off.
actually, there was so much yellowin goin on lately, i coulda swore some nugs got lil yellow spots, but that was the micro leafs yellowin out.
basically its like 12-14 sticks with nugs.
all the sticks are tween 10-12 inches long.
maybe about 30-40 g's by my eye estimate.

i have stopped nutes (bigbloom) and will finish out with water only.

at this point i'm like,,,wtf???:wtf:
ive come this far that i dont care how long they take to finish, i'l wait, but seriously doubt ill ever consider this strain again.

Rock.Steady
01-11-2008, 05:25 PM
so, i decide to clip a sample for trich inspect and bioassy today.

and what do my amazed eyes see?????????????:wtf:

a gift or an extension of my personal curse?????:wtf:

JackHerer
01-11-2008, 07:32 PM
Is that you just getting the Thai's to harvest now?

Shit I thought you had long ago moved on to the Blue Russians. Bit of a double edged gift that seed you have. Do you have the patience to go through this grow again.

Rock.Steady
01-25-2008, 04:02 PM
ok folks, need a lil reassurance here.

i know these pics arent the greatest, but u have no idea the contraptions i needed to assemble to get these shots.

is THIS what I've been waiting roughly 25 weeks to see?
this is the end of week 15 flwr.

Weedhound
01-25-2008, 06:10 PM
Your thai grew you a dime??? Mine throws quarters. :D

So is that your entire harvest right there? :S2:

Rock.Steady
01-25-2008, 08:46 PM
hmmmmm, nice one lil miss wizeazz:thumbsup::wtf:

are those ambers?
is that what i been waiting to see?
i know the pix r kinda crappy, but thats the best i could do.

it looks like dark heads on the trichs,
yes, there are only a few so far.

within the past week, the sugary coating has started to look 'whiter' to the naked eye, so i chose one of those as a sample for inspection.

well, am i almost finally there???

Weedhound
01-26-2008, 01:18 AM
Definitely looks like some ambers running around to me. :thumbsup:

Rock.Steady
01-26-2008, 05:24 AM
Thanks Weedhound,:D
you da chit!:thumbsup:

i guess i'll give em about another 10 days or so, woohoo!

Rock.Steady
02-02-2008, 02:06 PM
ok, so, basically, i'm completely f'n sick of lookin at these stupid leafless things for what seems like the past 100 weeks.

the stats,
10 weeks as struggling clones in veg.
16 weeks in flower, the past 6 or so weeks they have been virtually leafless due to a week of cold nites where it may have been as cold as 60-65F, which i'm sure is why they threw all remaining leaf on the ground.

do the math with me folks, that 6 months.

kids, dont try this at home unless u have a large supply of f'n patience.

i have been stealing sticks for the past week or 2, do to my personal needs and the fact that my bipolar brain has been spikin on the negative side the last week.

in case u havent figured out where this is going,,,,,,
Ping and Pong have been chopped.
its doin the job. i concede the point that if 'properly' dried n cured would be better, but, i got some strong and immediate needs these days.

if i can actually save some to properly cured, i will submit a proper smoke report.

other than that, i will let this long sad story die.