Unpopular Opinions

[veggii]

lookout its a whole bunch of drama queens... run!!!!!

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Fair enough DragonRider; I've only seen Fear and Loathing followed by a few random youtube videos my friends were gawking over like a sermon from Jesus Christ himself. Seems my view of his works may be too limited; I figured Fear and Loathing was typical of his doings.

[psteve]

You cannot judge Hunter S. Thompson's work by a movie, especially one he didn't write, and most especially not one starring Johnny Depp.
Read 'Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail' before passing judgment.

[dragonrider]

Fair enough DragonRider; I've only seen Fear and Loathing followed by a few random youtube videos my friends were gawking over like a sermon from Jesus Christ himself. Seems my view of his works may be too limited; I figured Fear and Loathing was typical of his doings.

Yeah, some people do take their HST worship a bit far, and mostly for all the wrong reasons. He's great, but not for the drug use, or for the movies, or for the interviews.

Here is my Unpopular Opinion on the subject: Fear and Loathing is not a very good movie, and people who think it is great are just into the drug scene aspect of it. They are really missing out on what Thompson was all about: writing, language and social commentary. Very little of that comes through in the movie.

Some books just do not adapt well to the screen. Did you read Dune, and did you see Dune the movie? The book was great, and the movie sucked by comparison. The reason is that all the action in the book is internal. It's all about what different people are thinking as a scene plays out, not about what they are doing or saying on the outside. They are constantly playing mental games, trying to outwit each other, guessing at the enemy's motives, so there is nothing to show on screen.

Fear and Loathing is not as good as a movie as it is as a book, because the best thing about the book is how things are described, not the actual scene or setting itself. The same thing is true for Hitchhiker's Guide. If you strip out the description and just show what was described it comes off weak.

I also think Thompson does not come off well in interviews. I've only seen one or two, and I only really remember seeing him once on Letterman. He doesn't deliver as well in person as he doen in his writing.

[dragonrider]

Read 'Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail' before passing judgment.

Yes! This one was good and so was The Great Shark Hunt. If you weren't around for Nixon or Watergate, then some of the stuff in some of these books is hard to grasp. I don't remember any of it firsthand, but I learned a lot about it (in a twisted kind of way) from reading some of HST's books. In the late 80's Thompson wrote a weekly column in the SF Chronicle, and I remember some of those as being absolute genius, but maybe it had more impact because it was all current, instead of reading about something I didn't live through personally. Some of the articles were compiled into Generation of Swine, which was an OK book too, but maybe not as good as earlier ones. If you like the artwork of Ralph Steadman, then The Curse of Lono is also entertaining, but it's not really a serious commentary in my opinion.

[stinkyattic]

He was doing some ironic social commentatry in a very unorthodox way...... I enjoy reading Thompson more for the WAY he says things than for WHAT he says.... Seeing the scenes acted out is really kind of sad and depressing. ... All the language is gone, and it really loses all the humor in the interpretation.
I feel that the most valuable part of the DVD is the interview with HST in the 'extras' at the end. You get far more of a sense for his intelligence. Just as I never paid much attention to Marilyn Manson before seeing him actually do a proper interview on that Bowling for Columbine movie.

[stinkyattic]

And for the record... this thread is called 'unpopular opinions', not 'bash other races, sexual orientations, and cultures; and hell, other members while we're at it'.

Ahem.

[dragonrider]

I feel that the most valuable part of the DVD is the interview with HST in the 'extras' at the end. You get far more of a sense for his intelligence. Just as I never paid much attention to Marilyn Manson before seeing him actually do a proper interview on that Bowling for Columbine movie.

I missed that HST interview. I would have liked to have seen it. But the best way to appreciate him is to actually read someting he wrote.

And I agree on Marilyn Manson. I had no use for him at all unitl I saw that interview, and he came off as one of the smartest people in the whole movie.

[psteve]

on Marilyn Manson. I had no use for him at all unitl I saw that interview, and he came off as one of the smartest people in the whole movie.I don't know if this will be popular or unpopular, but I was the same way about George Michael. I had less than zero respect for him until I saw this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXHic5cmq9w

[psteve]

I don't know if this will be popular or unpopular, but I was the same way about George Michael. I had less than zero respect for him until I saw this video.
OOPS!
Sorry for posting a crappy, edited version of that video!
Here's a better copy so you can actually HEAR the words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1KVy3LGIIQ&feature=related

[kuyutha]

-eating nothing but fruit and playing ps2 all day will make you lose alot of weight

-all professional athletes should be required to take steroids

-if entering another persons personal property without permission you lose all rights within said property

-i have heard almost no classic rock or any music of the 70's-80's and i don't really care to

-sometimes it's hard not to believe stereotypes when they're thrown in your face almost everyday for the last 7 years

-making money is easy

-the only real sport is in 'the most dangerous game'

[katyowns]

-i have heard almost no classic rock or any music of the 70's-80's and i don't really care to


I know this is an unpopular opinions thread, but I feel compelled to ask WHY? All the modern music you love and appreciate wouldn't have been made without the influences of the artists that came before.

[rebgirl420]

I know this is an unpopular opinions thread, but I feel compelled to ask WHY? All the modern music you love and appreciate wouldn't have been made without the influences of the artists that came before.

Oh noez, don't question anyone on this thread. People can't handle it.

;)

[jrv128]

circumsision is not necessary, it is cruel and painful, and just because the baby cannot remember it does not make it ok.

[katyowns]

circumsision is not necessary, it is cruel and painful, and just because the baby cannot remember it does not make it ok.

I completely agree with this

[JaySin]

I take it my post was deleted? It wasn't bashing anyone, it was stating my opinions. I have no problem with anyones race, sexual preference and I don't have any hatred towards anyone that may disagree with how I feel.

So here is my unpopular opinion post again, yet this time I will shorten it to one opinion.

This thread is pointless and should have never been started.

[dragonrider]

I take it my post was deleted? It wasn't bashing anyone, it was stating my opinions. I have no problem with anyones race, sexual preference and I don't have any hatred towards anyone that may disagree with how I feel.

So here is my unpopular opinion post again, yet this time I will shorten it to one opinion.

This thread is pointless and should have never been started.

I think maybe you made a desparaging generalization about the grooming habits of the people of a certain continent, and then someone from that continent (or possibly from an island country just off that continent) referred to YOU using the slang term for a body part, and then someone corrected someone's grammar, and before long, all the love had gone out of the thread.

[psteve]

I take it my post was deleted? It wasn't bashing anyoneNow THAT'S an unpopular opinion!

[rebgirl420]

BAZING!

[birdgirl73]

I take it my post was deleted? It wasn't bashing anyone, it was stating my opinions. I have no problem with anyones race, sexual preference and I don't have any hatred towards anyone that may disagree with how I feel.



I think maybe you made a desparaging generalization about the grooming habits of the people of a certain continent, and then someone from that continent (or possibly from an island country just off that continent) referred to YOU using the slang term for a body part, and then someone corrected someone's grammar, and before long, all the love had gone out of the thread.
Dragonrider is correct, JaySin. You post was not deleted because of the content in and of itself, although, frankly--and this would have been a highly popular opinoin if it had stayed visible--it was full of what sounded like crazytalk to me. Another moderator wisely deleted it and several replies it provoked because they devolved into an insult- and bigotry-fest, opinions and responses which were too unpopular and hateful to be viable here on a site that's supposed to be about friendly discussion.

[GreenDestiny]

circumsision is not necessary, it is cruel and painful, and just because the baby cannot remember it does not make it ok.

Exactly. You won't consciously remember it, but supposedly your subconscious brain remembers your entire life in some way.

Circumcision is culturally/religiously/medically accepted CHILD ABUSE. Not only is it child abuse, it's messing with the genitals.... sexual child abuse.

All men that were circumcised against their will should be compensated for their loss by the cruel governments that lets this kind of abuse flourish.


Only 3 wars have been fought to protect the freedom of the United States: American Revolutionary War (or basically all conflicts with the UK to gain our independence), American Civil War, and World War II.
All other battles/wars were offensive measures aimed at bringing other countries under our righteous influence, protecting/acquiring materialistic interests such as natural resources, and offering help to foreign armies with their own battles.

It's easy to spot a brainwashed citizen when they claim how soldiers today are "fighting for our freedom". Hahaha, yeah they're fighting alright... fighting for our freedom to dominate the rest of the world.

A single world government (new world order) could be the greatest thing to happen to our planet. But with so man different conflicting cultures and religions the democratic process wouldn't be effective, which is why it'd definitely turn into a dictatorship with an "antichrist" non-biased leader... and having just one leader is always bad.

There is no hope for the future. Save yourself and have fun at all possible times.

Bicycles should be ridden going against traffic, just the same as when walking. If you're gonna get hit by a car, ya might as well have seen it coming instead of being tragically surprised from behind.

Many products, like electronics, are made to fail not long after the warranty has expired. If more products were made with true quality to last longer, there'd be lesser need for new things.

Failure/expiration/depletion of products is what drives a consumer-based economy.

If balanced servings of all 4 basic food groups is healthy, then hamburgers and pizza should be the among the healthiest foods... as long as the components are made from healthy ingredients.

[SocialDem]

Family Guy sucks. None of the "funny" parts of the show have anything to do with the actual story, they're just offshoots or someone memories or imagination. You watch a 30 minute program with no point or real story so you can laugh at dick and fart jokes and people getting kicked in the nuts. It says something about the sad state of our country

[dragonrider]

Bicycles should be ridden going against traffic, just the same as when walking. If you're gonna get hit by a car, ya might as well have seen it coming instead of being tragically surprised from behind.


Usually it is against the rules to comment about other people's Unpopular Opinions, but this is a safety and legal issue.

Do NOT ride your bike on the wrong side of the street into oncoming traffic. You may think you are making yourself safer by seeing the oncoming traffic. But you are actually making yourself less visible to cars on the road and more likely to be in an accident. Statistics bear out the fact that you will be in MORE accidents. It usually happens when a car is waiting at a driveway for a chance to merge out into traffic. They are looking to the left where the traffic is supposed to be coming from. When a gap opens up, they hit the gas, and if a bike rider is going the wrong way, then BAM! flat bike rider!

Also, the law is not on your side if you cause an accident while disobeying the rules of the road. So if a car does run over you when you are riding against traffic, the driver of that car can sue you for damage to his paint, and WIN! It has happened before! Usually a driver will not sue a flattened bike rider directly, but if he makes a claim on his insurance for damage to the car, the insurance company will get the money out of you because you were at fault and breaking the law.

Go with the flow, GreenDestiny! Go with the flow! You do not need to be like a salmon, constantly swimming upstream!

[psteve]

Go with the flow, GreenDestiny! Go with the flow! You do not need to be like a salmon, constantly swimming upstream!Only dead fish go with the flow. :wtf:

[NaughtyDreadz]

big is NOT beautiful...

[Breukelen advocaat]

George Carlin isn't funny.

[daihashi]

Circumcision is culturally/religiously/medically accepted CHILD ABUSE. Not only is it child abuse, it's messing with the genitals.... sexual child abuse.

All men that were circumcised against their will should be compensated for their loss by the cruel governments that lets this kind of abuse flourish.




eh.. I'm glad I'm circumcised. In addition I am very glad I was circumcised as a baby. I would've considered it abuse if it was forced on me at an age I could remember. Not only would it have been embarassing and possibly mentally scarring, but I would actually remember this pain!! I can say with 100% certainty that I don't recall my pee-pee being sliced and diced as a baby and for that I'm thankful.

I don't consider it child abuse.

It's completely aesthetic and personal, but I enjoy having my penis not look like some type of screwed up looking ant-eater.

:thumbsup:

[NaughtyDreadz]

It's completely aesthetic and personal, but I enjoy having my penis not look like some type of screwed up looking ant-eater.

:thumbsup:

How do you play find the ants (or Hungry Hungry Arrdvark) then???

[daihashi]

How do you play find the ants (or Hungry Hungry Arrdvark) then???

That's why I have a pet ant-eater... Attracts the ladies and I never have to worry about fire ants when I go to the park. Win win situation :hippy:

[psteve]

How do you play find the ants (or Hungry Hungry Arrdvark) then???...

[NaughtyDreadz]

That's why I have a pet ant-eater... Attracts the ladies and I never have to worry about fire ants when I go to the park. Win win situation :hippy:


...

HA!! LADDAMERCY!!!!:rastasmoke:

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Which brings me to my next opinion:


People who think it's "gross" to be uncircumcised are foolish. I'm not, and I proudly say that there is nothing wrong with not having your genitals surgically altered. That folk find it odd to not surgically alter your genitals is an indicator of how bizarre our society is.

[katyowns]

Which brings me to my next opinion:


People who think it's "gross" to be uncircumcised are foolish. I'm not, and I proudly say that there is nothing wrong with not having your genitals surgically altered. That folk find it odd to not surgically alter your genitals is an indicator of how bizarre our society is.


you pretty much said everything I wanted to. As a woman, I MUCH prefer uncut, when I see a cut penis I get kind of sad, because I imagine someone cutting off my clitoral hood.

Mutilation is not attractive.

[daihashi]

Which brings me to my next opinion:


People who think it's "gross" to be uncircumcised are foolish. I'm not, and I proudly say that there is nothing wrong with not having your genitals surgically altered. That folk find it odd to not surgically alter your genitals is an indicator of how bizarre our society is.

Which brings me to my next opinion..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm sorry that I don't particularly care for what the male penis looks like uncircumcised. This is my opinion, and my personal preference.

I do not feel people who are against circumcision are foolish; I think they are entitled to do whatever their cultural or personal preference is. Yes, I do consider circumcision to be cultural here in America as the majority of our population is circumcised. Most other nations do not have th majority of their population circumcised. Would you tell an african tribe it's stupid to put plates in their ear lobes and bowls in their mouths?

I think placing your own morality on people is foolish, but again that is just my own opinion.

Enjoy your circumcised penis. I'm glad you're proud of your ant eater :stoned:(incase you can't tell that was me throwing in some sassy humor/being friendly.)

:thumbsup:

[NaughtyDreadz]

which brings me to my next opinion... talking about kak maks me uncomfortable.. vag anyone?

[katyowns]

which brings me to my next opinion... talking about kak maks me uncomfortable.. vag anyone?

this board is a freakin sausage fest...

[NaughtyDreadz]

this board is a freakin sausage fest...

word up... :wtf:

[katyowns]

word up... :wtf:

this by no means is saying I want to talk about vaginas either though

[dragonrider]

this board is a freakin sausage fest...

It reminds me of Oktoberfest.

"What can I get for you frauline? Bockwurst? Bratwurst? Circumsized? Uncircumsized? Would you like a beer with your sausage?"

[katyowns]

It reminds me of Oktoberfest.

"What can I get for you frauline? Bockwurst? Bratwurst? Circumsized? Uncircumsized? Would you like a beer with your sausage?"

I still need to see that movie, badly.

[dragonrider]

I still need to see that movie, badly.

Ha ha! I wasn't even thinking of the movie, but yeah, I've got to see that too!

[JaySin]

I think maybe you made a desparaging generalization about the grooming habits of the people of a certain continent, and then someone from that continent (or possibly from an island country just off that continent) referred to YOU using the slang term for a body part, and then someone corrected someone's grammar, and before long, all the love had gone out of the thread.

Wish I could have at least seen the comments about my post. I don't remember saying anything about any certain continent and their grooming habits. I did kind of ramble a bit, so maybe I mis-wrote something to sound like it was a direct insult to a certain continent or something of that nature.

Sorry for any offense I caused, just doing what the thread was put here for. Which is why I still think it is pointless considering there is no discussion allowed because some people are unwilling to open there minds to an opinion that isn't their own.

I am very open-minded though, and would gladly change my mind about any views I expressed as long as someone could give me a good explanation as to why they think my opinion is wrong.

[katyowns]

Ha ha! I wasn't even thinking of the movie, but yeah, I've got to see that too!

I would very much like to go to the real Oktoberfest one day, I would like to see the home of my ancestors in general though.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Which brings me to my next opinion..

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I'm sorry that I don't particularly care for what the male penis looks like uncircumcised. This is my opinion, and my personal preference.

I do not feel people who are against circumcision are foolish; I think they are entitled to do whatever their cultural or personal preference is. Yes, I do consider circumcision to be cultural here in America as the majority of our population is circumcised. Most other nations do not have th majority of their population circumcised. Would you tell an african tribe it's stupid to put plates in their ear lobes and bowls in their mouths?

I think placing your own morality on people is foolish, but again that is just my own opinion.

Enjoy your circumcised penis. I'm glad you're proud of your ant eater :stoned:(incase you can't tell that was me throwing in some sassy humor/being friendly.)

:thumbsup:

But dude; I'm not saying preferring a cut penis is foolish, I'm just saying it's foolish to say "You're gross for not being cut", like some people do. Preferrences are fine, and like you said, we wouldn't bitch at African societies putting plates in their lips; that goes both ways with cut and uncut. I'm sure you'll agree with me that people are foolish when they're are like "OMG! you're not circumcised? That's so gross!"


Now if you'll excuse me, I'm getting mighty hungry and there's an ant hill in my front yard... :D

[daihashi]

But dude; I'm not saying preferring a cut penis is foolish, I'm just saying it's foolish to say "You're gross for not being cut", like some people do. Preferrences are fine, and like you said, we wouldn't bitch at African societies putting plates in their lips; that goes both ways with cut and uncut. I'm sure you'll agree with me that people are foolish when they're are like "OMG! you're not circumcised? That's so gross!"


ahh. I hear ya.. :thumbsup:



Now if you'll excuse me, I'm getting mighty hungry and there's an ant hill in my front yard... :D

HAHAHA!!! hilarious :hippy: :jointsmile:

[dragonrider]

But dude; I'm not saying preferring a cut penis is foolish, I'm just saying it's foolish to say "You're gross for not being cut", like some people do. Preferrences are fine, and like you said, we wouldn't bitch at African societies putting plates in their lips; that goes both ways with cut and uncut. I'm sure you'll agree with me that people are foolish when they're are like "OMG! you're not circumcised? That's so gross!"


Gandalf, when it comes to your penis, YOU'RE SOOOOO EEEEEEMMMMOOOO!!!!!!

Just joking! http://boards.cannabis.com/cannabis-com-lounge/156736-omg-s-you-re-so-emo.html

Have you ever seen an African with a plate in his lip laughing at some poor guy with a circumcised penis? Happens all the time. And it's just not right.

Actually, an uncircumsised foreskin helps to protect the penis in certain circumstances, such as when you get your penis caught in a bicycle chain. These are called "circumcision circumstances."

However, our economy needs circumcision. Severed foreskins are recycled into rubber bands for newspapers. So where would we be without it? You should do your part, Gandalf.

Personally, I have nothing against surgically altering your genitals. I've had it done myself. In my case I was not circumcised --- I was supersized.

[psteve]

:eek:

...How about those Yankees? :D

[apocolips31]

Without America much of the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

[dragonrider]

:eek:

...How about those Yankees? :D

Yes, we should move on from all this arguing about penises. How do people feel about cockfights?

[Coelho]

Without America much of the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

And maybe it wouldnt be so bad as it seems...

[GreenDestiny]

Usually it is against the rules to comment about other people's Unpopular Opinions, but this is a safety and legal issue.

Do NOT ride your bike on the wrong side of the street into oncoming traffic. You may think you are making yourself safer by seeing the oncoming traffic. But you are actually making yourself less visible to cars on the road and more likely to be in an accident. Statistics bear out the fact that you will be in MORE accidents. It usually happens when a car is waiting at a driveway for a chance to merge out into traffic. They are looking to the left where the traffic is supposed to be coming from. When a gap opens up, they hit the gas, and if a bike rider is going the wrong way, then BAM! flat bike rider!

Also, the law is not on your side if you cause an accident while disobeying the rules of the road. So if a car does run over you when you are riding against traffic, the driver of that car can sue you for damage to his paint, and WIN! It has happened before! Usually a driver will not sue a flattened bike rider directly, but if he makes a claim on his insurance for damage to the car, the insurance company will get the money out of you because you were at fault and breaking the law.

Go with the flow, GreenDestiny! Go with the flow! You do not need to be like a salmon, constantly swimming upstream!

Yeah, I know it's a legal issue. Many years ago I was stopped by a cop for riding in the huge soulder lane, and that's when I first learned about it. I was totally blown away by it.

But in my opinion, there's not enough difference in visibility either way. A good motorist should be aware at all times, as should any pedestrians. Some people run faster than a kid peddaling a slow bike, either way there's still plenty of time to see them, not like they're traveling very very fast on a small motorized vehicle.

I quickly looked up some crash statistics, and yes you're technically right:
Bicycle Crash Statistics (http://www.massbike.org/info/statistics.htm)
Motorist turning or merging into the path of a bicyclist (12.1 percent of all crashes). Almost half (48.8 percent) of these crashes involved a motorist making a left turn in front of a bicyclist approaching from the opposite direction.
Motorist overtaking a bicyclist (8.6 percent of all crashes). Of these crashes, 23 percent appeared to involve a motorist who misjudged the space required to safely pass the bicyclist.

that's straight up 3.5% more crashes from riding against traffic.

But now taking into account the motorist's fault in statistics:
48.4% of 12.1% is 5.9%, leaving 6.2% of all crashes due to riding against traffic.
23% of 8.6% is 2.1%, leaving 6.5% of all crashes due to riding with traffic

Taking out that variable of motorists failing to look before turning and misjudging distances, those statistics actually show that riding against traffic is better. It's the motorists fault for making the road more dangerous lol.
So really stiffer laws should be put up to keep those crazed road-ragers from running over the bicyclists... so we can freely ride on whichever side of the road that happens to have the clearest path.

eh, basically I think that anything without a motor should be used for going against traffic... bicycles, rollerblades, skateboards, razor scooters, even people wearing those wheelie-shoes. It's all foot traffic... transportation via energy supplied directly by our feet. If we just happen to have some circular objects to aid in our transport, the laws shouldn't have to change.

And then there's those dang old sidewalks... laws for those things are always crazy, some cities dont mind rollerblading and boarding, others ban it.

As much as I hate it, I generally obey the rules of the road as they stand today. Ok, not really, I just do whatever it takes to stay safe in each situation. Safety first, laws second.

[katyowns]

:eek:

...How about those Yankees? :D

FUCK THE YANKEES

GO SOX

:D

[apocolips31]

And maybe it wouldnt be so bad as it seems...

Yes, Hitler cleansing the world sounds much better.........

[NaughtyDreadz]

Without America much of the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.

don't forget I-talian...

[apocolips31]

I am assuming Hitler would eventually of taken over Italy, they basically had to hold their hand the entire war.

[psychocat]

Without America much of the world would be speaking either German or Japanese.
That isn't an unpopular opinion it is an American delusion. :D

America did not win the second world war , thats an unpopular opinion based on the fact that Hitler made the fatal error that Napoleon had made by attacking Russia in winter.

Hitler shot himself in the foot with that move.

[katyowns]

That isn't an unpopular opinion it is an American delusion. :D

America did not win the second world war , thats an unpopular opinion based on the fact that Hitler made the fatal error that Napoleon had made by attacking Russia in winter.

Hitler shot himself in the foot with that move.


Thank goodness he didn't learn from history, at least

[apocolips31]

That isn't an unpopular opinion it is an American delusion. :D

America did not win the second world war , thats an unpopular opinion based on the fact that Hitler made the fatal error that Napoleon had made by attacking Russia in winter.

Hitler shot himself in the foot with that move.

Without America tying down the Japanese they would have been free to launch an invasion into Russia. Then it would be Russia that would be defeated in a pincer move instead of Germany. Think of that..... Not to even mention our contribution to the western front with our aid we gave great Briton even before we invaded on D-day. We also gave aid to Russia in terms of air support and supplies.

[daihashi]

Without America tying down the Japanese they would have been free to launch an invasion into Russia. Then it would be Russia that would be defeated in a pincer move instead of Germany. Think of that..... Not to even mention our contribution to the western front with our aid we gave great Briton even before we invaded on D-day. We also gave aid to Russia in terms of air support and supplies.

Let's not forget that we lost so many lives over there in normandy that the memorial/burial grounds there has pretty much been declared US soil.

To suggest that the US entering the war did not directly lead to the Allies winning is warped to say least.

That's not to say that America were the ones to win the war, but our involvement did lead to victory (yes there is a difference).


edit: meant to reply to pyschocat.. oops

[rebgirl420]

If it wasn't for the U.S. Europe would be a VERY differant place.

We saved the U.K. and France.

[dragonrider]

I am assuming Hitler would eventually of taken over Italy, they basically had to hold their hand the entire war.


That isn't an unpopular opinion it is an American delusion. :D

America did not win the second world war , thats an unpopular opinion based on the fact that Hitler made the fatal error that Napoleon had made by attacking Russia in winter.

Hitler shot himself in the foot with that move.


Thank goodness he didn't learn from history, at least


Without America tying down the Japanese they would have been free to launch an invasion into Russia. Then it would be Russia that would be defeated in a pincer move instead of Germany. Think of that..... Not to even mention our contribution to the western front with our aid we gave great Briton even before we invaded on D-day. We also gave aid to Russia in terms of air support and supplies.


Let's not forget that we lost so many lives over there in normandy that the memorial/burial grounds there has pretty much been declared US soil.

To suggest that the US entering the war did not directly lead to the Allies winning is warped to say least.

That's not to say that America were the ones to win the war, but our involvement did lead to victory (yes there is a difference).


edit: meant to reply to pyschocat.. oops

Thank you all for your personal, direct involvement in this war!

[katyowns]

Thank you all for your personal, direct involvement in this war!

your comment would have any weight if myself or any of the other users quoted even began to imply that we had any involvement with it, and this wasn't an opinion thread.

now bring your condescending attitude somewhere else, thank you

[dragonrider]

your comment would have any weight if myself or any of the other users quoted even began to imply that we had any involvement with it, and this wasn't an opinion thread.

now bring your condescending attitude somewhere else, thank you

I tried to quote everyone who chimed in on this topic, but somehow some didn't get copied into my comment. So I'm sorry if it came off one-sided. The point I was trying to make was that no one involved with this topic played a part, so there's no point in hashing it over. This discussion sounds to me alot like one person telling another person that he doesn't appreciate him enough for what his grandpa did for the other guy's grandpa. Get over it people!

My Unpopular Opinion is that unless your are over 80 years old, you inherited the world after WWII. So take credit/blame for what YOU or your generation did, and forget credit/blame for what your ancestors did.

[psteve]

Yeah, those Yankees are looking better all the time... :wtf:

Life is better as a comedy than a drama.

[dragonrider]

Life is better as a comedy than a drama.

Ha ha! This is so true!

Life is a comedy. Even the dramatic and tragic parts have some kind of comedy.

[rebgirl420]

This thread needs to die.

We need something new and upbeat haha.

[Breukelen advocaat]

My Unpopular Opinion is that unless your are over 80 years old, you inherited the world after WWII. So take credit/blame for what YOU or your generation did, and forget credit/blame for what your ancestors did.
We should be grateful for what our ancestors did - most of them, at least.

[Reefer Rogue]

I think everyone should be pacifists and that war is unnecessary, unless attacked on your home soil. It's not a popular opinion, but it's mine :D

[Coelho]

I think most movies are an waste of time.

Action movies are just a lot of exaggerations (or rather absurds), fireballs (the only nice things in it) and uncounted number of murders for the most useless reasons.

Policial films are even worst. Damn the cops! Its enough to have to see them in the real life!

Most suspense movies are fairly previsible (if not obvious)... the only good ones are the very few ones which are really surprising.

Terror movies are usually very weak... a person must be really fearful to be scared by a thing in the screen of a TV (or a theather)... and even if not, most things depicted in this movies are not so scary...

Most scientific fiction movies are just what the name says: fiction. Of course there are some few which shows things that actually could happen in some future, but most of them are plain nonsense.

Dramas are pure masochism. The real life is a drama itself, and a very sad one (nobody ever survives much long in it), so why to ingest more drama unnecessarily?

Comedies usually are pathetic. Most "laughable" things are not so laughable, and the really funny hardly are catch by the movie makers (with some exceptions, of course).

And there are the romantic comedies, that are completly previsible, sometimes very dumb, but sometimes is nice to watch a history with a happy ending...

Anyway, there is no better movie than the one that your life becomes when youre HIGH :stoned::rastasmoke::jointsmile:

[Coelho]

We should be grateful for what our ancestors did - most of them, at least.

Depending on what they did of course...


This thread needs to die.

Now thats an unpopular opinion :D

[Fugitive]

Multiculturalism is failing.

[daihashi]

Thank you all for your personal, direct involvement in this war!

Who said anything about any posters direct involvement in the war. The discussion was over America/The United States.

History is history is history is history. This has nothing to do with personal involvement.

Thank you for taking the time to spin what was a well known fact into people saying things as if it were their own personal agenda.

You did have a condescending attitude as another poster mentioned. Almost an air of arrogance flexing your e-peen where it didn't need to be flexed.

Everyone you quoted was simply discussing HISTORY... no one ever attempted to say they were directly involved in the war. :wtf:

[psychocat]

If it wasn't for the U.S. Europe would be a VERY differant place.

We saved the U.K. and France.

That statement is factualy wrong.
America got involved later than anyone else. they remained neutral till the Japanese dumped on Pearl harbour.
They only agreed to help on a loan /lease agreement that was beneficial for America and nobody else. (The jet technology that Britain "gave" to America was part of the payoff).
The Japanese were fighting a lot more than just the US forces and India alone would have been a major problem not to mention the Russians enormous army.
Russia used a scorched earth policy to defeat the advancing Nazi forces , the Germans would march for days through freezing conditions in the belief that there would be a battle at the end of it. The Russians wanted none of it and simply withdrew and destroyed anything that could be of use to the Germans leaving the poor Nazis to freeze thier little arses off.

The truth of the matter is that Hitler could not mantain such a widespread offensive even with the aid of Japan who had thier hands full in Malaysia and the East Indies. Hitler and the Nazis and the Japanese really bit off a lot more than they could realisticaly chew.


I have broken my own rules by replying to an opinion and have no intention of doing it again so if you wish to discuss this matter further then may I suggest a "America saved Europe" thread where I will be more than happy to get into a serious debate instead of simply making statements with no backing like "America saved Europe". :D

[daihashi]

I have broken my own rules by replying to an opinion and have no intention of doing it again so if you wish to discuss this matter further then may I suggest a "America saved Europe" thread where I will be more than happy to get into a serious debate instead of simply making statements with no backing like "America saved Europe". :D

I would like to discuss this further. To deny that our involvement did not lead to an Ally victory is false.

I won't say America saved Europe, but I would have to say that the Allies would've suffered far more losses and possibly lost against the Axis had it not been for US Involvement which tied up two major powers in the Axis on several fronts.

Ultimately allowing the Allies to position themselves to win.

I look forward to this new thread.

[dragonrider]

Who said anything about any posters direct involvement in the war. The discussion was over America/The United States.

History is history is history is history. This has nothing to do with personal involvement.

Thank you for taking the time to spin what was a well known fact into people saying things as if it were their own personal agenda.

You did have a condescending attitude as another poster mentioned. Almost an air of arrogance flexing your e-peen where it didn't need to be flexed.

Everyone you quoted was simply discussing HISTORY... no one ever attempted to say they were directly involved in the war. :wtf:

Of course no one claimed direct involvement in the war. They would have to be about 80 years old to have been involved. What I was saying was sarcastic. Sorry if it came off as condescending --- maybe it was.

When I see someone say somthing like, "Without America, much of the world would be speaking either German or Japanese," it comes off as rude to me. It seems like they are trying to throw this undisputed fact of history in someone else's face. It seems like they are trying to claim some kind of credit for something that they had nothing to do with. Then everyone else has to pile into the discussion with their opinion on exactly how much credit America deserves. Did we win it singlehandedly? Do we share credit with the Russians? Do we share credit with the British? How much exactly does everyone we saved owe us?

If you throw out some other negative fact of history about America, like the fact that America practiced slavery or Americans exterminated Native Armericans, then the reaction usually is, "I had nothing to do with that!" And it is true. No one alive today deserves blame for those historical injustices. Likewise, most of the people alive today do not deserve personal credit or blame for what their grandparents did during WWII.

So what's the point is hashing it over? Is anyone honestly going to dispute the historical fact that America made a huge contribution to WWII? Is this really a historical discussion about an unpopular opinion about history? Maybe it is and I don't get it, but mostly it looks like Americans telling Europeans how much they owe them for saving their asses more than 60 years ago.

[stinkyattic]

Excellent! That means I can now close this one, since it's becoming a bit of a headache. GREAT history lesson, Psychocat. Very informative as usual.