Small Grow first time All CFL

[stickyichy]

This is my first log and first grow here!

Few of them problems i face right now. i'm still in the set up stage and i have to keep this room a secret so its hard for me to work on it. I am going to have 6 CFL going at once. I don't know what is better. a light cycle that is a 24/0 or something like 18/6... power bill is not a problem so id rather go 24 hours if its better. since i took so long setting up my room my plants stretched way out. im wondering if this is going to be a problem for me and maybe should i start over or is it going to work out now that i have the lights on them?

The space is rather small but im liking how everything is working out can anyone give me some suggestions that might help my grow. Should i have a fan going on these babies or would the air flow hurt them at this point? PLus when might i expect them to start filling out?
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[systrex]

Well I take it that those cfls are soft white... which are good for flowering and will work for vegging but I would look into getting some daylight ones (6500k)...

Personally I would start over cause those things are really really stretched and it would not take long to germinate new seeds and get to about the point you are now(but not all stretched out)...

A fan can only help, cools the lights, helps prevent humidity build up(can cause mold etc), and helps strengthen the stem...

Good luck on the grow

[CannabisCarl2134]

^^ what he said, they grew too tall and spindly. Start over and use Daylight spectrum bulbs 5500-6500k, 100WE-27w. I would use either 4 or 6 bulbs with 3 plants.

Also make some kind of enclosure with a reflective interior. That looks like an Attic or crawlspace, so making a Vented box should not be very difficult, spend a few more dollars and get a Light Timer, materials, Nutes, Temp. Gauge(Thermometer).
Doing it right the first time will provide for better results, thus making you much more happier with your 1st grow.

Good Luck.

[stickyichy]

One suggestion was to bury them into the ground .... that way i have less stem does this work? or would that be a bad idea.

[Zcomp]

I've done that with no adverse affects. As long as you correct the condition right away. If you dont correct it, it will just keep doing that.

[FireTheft]

get em out of those semi transparent cups

young roots (even old) shouldn't be exposed to light

[stickyichy]

all of this is Great information! i had no idea about the transparent root problems. hmm, Is it possible to flow with 1700 luminescent bulbs 6 of them? will that give you even a little bit of flower or will it just not work at all?

[whisky]

the color should be white cfl for veg, the red one stimulates stem growth vs foliage which is bad. yes 18/6 is better, plants get a rest and shoot up the next day and grow faster. 24H isnt good and it makes more males also.

[stickyichy]

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I moved some things around re potted them and then put them on 18/6. when do you think i can expect to see a little more growth?

[Skrappie]

I was hoping to be the first to tell you to bury those stems, oh well, they are looking good. Word of advice though, unless you have drainage holes in your pots, Don't over water! Stagnet water in cardboard pots, youre talking about root rot city. Play it safe and grow a ton.

Have you considered any type of training to increase your yield?

[Skrappie]

the color should be white cfl for veg, the red one stimulates stem growth vs foliage which is bad. yes 18/6 is better, plants get a rest and shoot up the next day and grow faster. 24H isnt good and it makes more males also.

And not to be a nay-sayer. But under 24/7 light, i ended up with 6 fems out of 8 plants. Two of the males were stressed beyond belief before they ended up that way too.

The root growth is something to consider, but 24/7 is my favorite bet if you dont have to worry about heat, or other issues resulting form lights being on all day.

[stickyichy]

what works better for purposes of veg grow?

[Paht_Hed]

Go out to Walmart and buy the cool white bulbs, they come 2 to a pack or maybe 4, I am pretty sure Sams sells them also so they may be cheaper to buy in bulk there. Get 4 bulbs to each plant if you want to see significant growth. You can get tin at Home Depot to make a hood. Also make sure to get something that can circulate the air around the plant. 6500k is the spectrum you are looking for from Walmart for vegetative, 2700k for flowering.

[systrex]

6500k also known as daylight light bulbs...

[scagster]

All the way down to 4000K works pretty well for veg. That's what the kelvin on standard MH is gonna be.

[stickyichy]

Well time for an update! i have switched to some day light bulbs. 6500k, they are running on 18-6 light cycle, should i be doing that? the new light is already working a ton better then the old ones. heres some pictures.
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[Mic-Mechanic]

The light cycle is a never ending debate. My one friend swears by 18/6, others by 24/0. If your plants are clearly thriving better under one then another, use it. They both work dandy. If you want a compermise try 20/4 (I was wondering if doing the first 3 weeks of veg as 24/0, then the next 3-4 weeks with 20/4 then the final 2-3 weeks with 18/6 so you're weaning them onto 12/12, but it may cause undue stress.)

Your grow is simaler to mine so i'm enjoying it. So far those are some healthy seeds. I wish ya good luck, ill be watching and rooting for you

[Zcomp]

(I was wondering if doing the first 3 weeks of veg as 24/0, then the next 3-4 weeks with 20/4 then the final 2-3 weeks with 18/6 so you're weaning them onto 12/12, but it may cause undue stress.)

Your grow is simaler to mine so i'm enjoying it. So far those are some healthy seeds. I wish ya good luck, ill be watching and rooting for you

That is how I did my first batch. I read allot about this. It turns out that this is a more natural way of shifting them. Thus safer. I can't say I noticed a diff. but I had no hermies.

[stickyichy]

alright then i guess ill just leave them on the cycle they are on. seems to be working just fine. Yeah i'm excited that they are actually growing now. with the other lights growth was taking days for just a small improvement. now its pretty drastic! yay! i have one plant that looks like its a little weak but if i only get 2 plants meh better then zero.

[Mic-Mechanic]

That is how I did my first batch. I read allot about this. It turns out that this is a more natural way of shifting them. Thus safer. I can't say I noticed a diff. but I had no hermies.

It makes sense to me. Not only is it natural but it diminshes the shock of switching from veg to flower. I mean think about it, 24/0 to 12/12 is a HUGE jump. Thats why one might believe that 24/0 causes hermies, because theres one more stress factor. Obiviously if your plants are happy and perky then its probably not enough stress to do severe damage, but if your plant is unlucky and a bit stress it could be the straw that breaks the camels back.

I really find it hard to believe that its a inherent quality of 24/0 causing hermies. Now i know i am not even done my first grow and as such quite the newb, but i've read up alot and 95% of what i hear about factors that induce hermies are either

a) because they are stress factors, not because of the actual action but the stress it causes.
b)They're 'growers myths' if you will. The one thing that is for sure is stress causes hermies. However anything more complex i tend to be skeptical of unless faced with overwhelming evidence

[stickyichy]

well im sure my plants might go Hermie with the amount of stress i have put on them so far. i mean i had them under a small 18 watt white light florescent for the first week then moved them into 135 watt white light CFL... Re potted them because they were to stressed and then put them under some natural lighting 6500k CFL. So stress is their name at this point. but who knows i am hoping for the best and well i think now that everything is straightened out it will work.

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

What is your grow medium?

[stickyichy]

if your asking about the size of the grow i'm yeah defiantly small to medium i don't expect a lot and well i would be happy with anything!

[Mic-Mechanic]

So long as there aren't real visible signs of stress (sad wilty plants). I mean some stress is unavoidable, espically for us newbies.

He wasnt asking about the size, he meant what soil or soil substitute are you using?

Anyhow, keep us posted on how your plants are!

[klondike_bar]

im growing under similar lights. i actually mad a plywood board with cheap wiring and 6 sockets.

ive got 3 23-watt daylights, 2 60watt floodlights (incandesent) and a 60watt household reg. bulb since one cfl died.

theyre finicky, expect to replace one by the end of the month. besides that, my plants love em, arch towards the cfls and not the floods yellowish light.

(ps: my plants are happily 2 ft tall at 7 weeks old and 2 weeks flowering)

PPS: by grow medium, he meant soil, rockwool, etc, not crop size. looks like soil tho

[GreenLadyOfDankDowns]

LOL! No no no. I meant, what is your medium, as in soil or coco? A mix?




if your asking about the size of the grow i'm yeah defiantly small to medium i don't expect a lot and well i would be happy with anything!

[stickyichy]

Oh well to answer that. i got some potting soil from the grochery store. Turf King Potting soil. Its Nitrogen .10% phospale .05% and potash.05%
It says it comes with a 30day feeding already in the soil. I just figured this would be better then plan old dirt out of my yard.

[klondike_bar]

good idea. id suggest feeding it it more ferts tho as soon as ya can, even in reduced amounts... if you dont want to shell out for hydroponic pro. stuff, ive always had a great experience with miracle gro

[stickyichy]

yeah i have had good experances with the grow spikes you can buy at the stores. You just need to chop them up and then let them desolve in water. I give them some water feedings of that plus normal water feedings so that they dont get an overflow of nut.

[stickyichy]

Just a quick question.... so i noticed that after i put up some reflection it got a little warm on my plants so i put in a fan. It was pretty noisey so i took it apart and spayed it with a little w840. the only thing i'm worried about is if w8-40 is bad on fast moving parts such as a house hold fan.

Its also getting kind of cold here and well the place i have might as well be outside under cover... i cant keep it warm when the lights are off so do you think it would be best to run at 24-0 just for heat purposes?

[stickyichy]

well figured that i should give some picture updates. here you go guys feel free to give me anymore info on things... plus any answers to previous questions thanks! enjoy!
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Little guy doesn't seem to be doing well but better then before.
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[Gundari]

gotta say its been interesting to watch how your little grow space has evolved ^^.

As for ferting, dont even THINK about ferting your babies yet. Those seedlings will be fine just drawing nutes from the endosperm left overs and the soil until they have 5 leaf nodes.

Also id suggest some LSTing when they get bigger, ive just started flowering my first grow and i have to say that im REALLY impressed with the lsting. Granted my girl has only been on the 12/12 light cycle for 5 or 6 days but ive got around 12 branches trying to be the top cola, im really lookin forward to seeing what kinda bud formation i get.

your girls seem to be doing well, im pullin for you man ^^.

[stickyichy]

Yay! yeah me too, its been funny how things have changed.... just a newbie question but LSTing?

[systrex]

Low stress training..

Basically when the plant is old enough/big enough you tie it down to lean towards a side which promotes horizontal growth instead of vertical... which allows light to shine more so on the stem of the plant which in turn produces more nodes also it helps fill out your grow space.

[whisky]

yea LSTing really makes the difference and you dont loose anything just gain.. with practically doing nothing:)
I think you may have an overwatering problem thats why your plants look so droopy. also you should check the soil ph

[TheGuyontheCouch4200]

something to think about:

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs/99373-diy-how-rubbermaid-tub-growbox.html

http://boards.cannabis.com/growroom-setup/90173-how-carbon-filter.html

[stickyichy]

can over nutting cause the droppy leaves too?

[erock0609]

How well did you clean those OJ cartons before you planted those girls??

[spongebobsmokepants]

Those things look tons better since you buried them! wait 4-5 weeks before feeding them anything! The grow looks good so far. Many people harp on the downfalls of CFL lighting. There are negatives for sure, lower yields, and light intensity is weak at best. That does not mean you can't have a great grow using only CFL's. Check out my grow in my Sig. All CFL except for 1- 175W Mh street light. My pics, I feel, speak for themselves.

[stickyichy]

hmm well thats good news. I cleaned out the both with water only. i wouldn't want to put anything into the dirt that wasn't needed.

[BUZz UK]

I'd take the foil off of the pots, you can burn leaves like that.

How often are you watering?

[stickyichy]

well i water every time the dirt is completely dry on the top. as for the foil i have heard very mixed things about it. i mean my lights are not anywhere near hot enough to do some serious damage and i have a fan going on them plus they have practically direct airflow from outside, its almost a problem trying to keep them warm enough. how often should i be watering?

[YaYoKush]

Sticky wasup man. I have had trouble with watering myself about to invest in that watering pen soon. But the best way to tell is feel how heavy the pot is without water then water it feel that weight then when once it is light again water or you can water after the first two inches of soil are dry as dirty desert dirt then give her a drink this is just what i have read. Check out my latest pics on my log in my sig and you can see some overwatering problems.

[specs]

gotta say its been interesting to watch how your little grow space has evolved ^^.

As for ferting, dont even THINK about ferting your babies yet. Those seedlings will be fine just drawing nutes from the endosperm left overs and the soil until they have 5 leaf nodes.

Also id suggest some LSTing when they get bigger, ive just started flowering my first grow and i have to say that im REALLY impressed with the lsting. Granted my girl has only been on the 12/12 light cycle for 5 or 6 days but ive got around 12 branches trying to be the top cola, im really lookin forward to seeing what kinda bud formation i get.

your girls seem to be doing well, im pullin for you man ^^.


I'd take the foil off of the pots, you can burn leaves like that.

How often are you watering?

:thumbsup:

Good growing
Bless
specs:rastasmoke:

[Juzt JR]

...the best way to tell is feel how heavy the pot is without water then water it feel that weight then when once it is light again water or you can water after the first two inches of soil are dry as dirty desert dirt then give her a drink this is just what i have read. Check out my latest pics on my log in my sig and you can see some overwatering problems.

^^ Exactly!!! and another way to check if u r overwatering is to see how the plants look in the morning or whenever, right before you water them... if they look healthier, then water less. :)
Good Luck!!!

[Gundari]

Ill second that strange guy on my couch and suggest you look into the rubbermaid box. It only costs around 100 to 80 dollars to build and it allows you to maximize your light and gives your babies a much more hospitable environment to grow in. Its what i use and i get great light convseration, good control over ventilation, and general just good control over most aspects of the plants environment. (i think ive got something ridiculous like 40k lumens in some tiny ass little area...my plant LOVES it though!)

and once again DO NOT FEED THEM!!! You feed them and they will get all burnt and unhappy. Wait till they are big kids and can handle solid food so to speak, and even they START SLOW! its alot easier to work your way up then it is to over feed then go OH FUCK OH FUCK as you notice your plants getting crispy, alot easier to add more then it is to take some out so to say. I only emphasize this again because your question about overnuting and droopy leaves.

Ill also agree that you look like your overwatering a bit, did you poke drainage holes in the bottom of those oj cartons? if not GO DO IT NOW! :-p If your water isnt drainging its sitting in that soil and becoming stagnant and playing host to a whole range of nasties you dont want your girls exposed to, plus you could also be drowning the roots. Your roots need air just as much as they need water. Like others have said, a good way to know is to test the weight of the pot right after you've watered. A general rule of thumb i use is water no more often then once every 3 to 4 days. Cannabis likes wet and dry periods. Plus overwatering in those cardboard containers can easily bring on bacteria growth and / or fungal growth, neither of which you want any of.

oh...and if you want some proof the rubbermaid box works/and something to look at so you can see whats down the line for you/and an example of what LSTing and CFLs can do. Heres two of the newest pictures of my baby. Ive been throwing them up in threads all over the place...what can i say...im just so darned proud.

[stickyichy]

thanks for the advice. having what i have now i'm sure it wouldn't be expensive to set one up. once i have my own place where i'm not concerned about anyone coming near i think ill be doing something like that but as for now i have to play it cool in a hard to get to hard to find spot. your plant looks amazing.

Yeah i'm looking for some plastic pots to put them in because... yeah those cartons suck. as for watering... i think ill start watering less as well. they have holes don't worry :D

[stickyichy]

Wow ok so after reading what you guys wrote i thought i would just check up on my ladies.. they look so green but damn all of them are drooping now! Whao... well ill defiantly heed the advice no more water for them for a bit.

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[Zcomp]

Do You have any fans on these girls??
Also, I don't see many pro's using anything to cover there soil. I'm fairly certain that will cause problems for ya.

[whisky]

my advice: remove the aluminum foil from the pots immediatly it doesnt do anything.. if you want something to reflect put white a4 paper there. the ones on the wall can stay there not that wrinkled.. and get a ph meter! flush .. and to water just give them when the light comes on every 2 days about 1/3-1/2 drinking water glass each..

[stickyichy]

how do you go about flushing your plants? i have read about it but i dont understand is there a link someone could give me that would explain this in detail or maybe just tell me i guess. Im going to remove that foil thanks for the advice.

[whisky]

:) I was coming back to change that "immediately" word.. just sounded stupid and I dont know why I used it there.. sir get out of your car immediatly!!.. whatever:rasta:

flushing is to take out any bad chemicals that may have accumulated in the soil, people usually do it once in a while when there using nutes but you can do it without using nutes just to clean up the soil and to wash out stuff that may have been there from the place you got the soil.. wether frontyard or shop soil usually need a little flushing to clean out some things..
what it is is simple, you just take the pot go to the bathroom put the pot in the sink and if your tapwater is drinkable then open the water check with your hand have it mild.. not cold but not hot.. a little over or around room temperature. then just let the water fill the pot and then let it flow out.. and repeat this a couple times till you think you added about 3-4 times the pot size of water into it ( might be unaccurate but i forgot but 3-4 should be enough i guess.. ) and thats it..
and then get into a good watering cycle, let the plants go 2-3 days after the flush then go into a water per 2 days cycle and I guess they should be fine..

good luck!
i guess too much :),
whisky:hippy:

[Zcomp]

I use de-chlorinated water myself. You'll want to flush your plant about 2-3 time in a life cycle. Once following Veg. then again 2-3 weeks before harvest. Maybe once more sprinkled in if you start to see problems at some point. Flushing clears your soil so you can start fresh. Also can correct PH issues.

[klondike_bar]

ya dont need the foil. it wont do much for the light or make it any easier to water

[specs]

ya dont need the foil. it wont do much for the light or make it any easier to water

:thumbsup:

Great advice also.

Removing the foil will make it easier to assess the soil conditions .

[Gundari]

i flush more frequently then 2 to 3 times my plants life...i do it like maybe twice a month. But thats just my style i like knowing that my plants soil is nice and clean, and i like knowing that my girls able to suck up nutrients from the soil easily.

[stickyichy]

well i have remove the foil, There is also a fan going on this girls 24/7. flushing them will have to wait till next watering. or the next time i might be able to take them near a sink without getting caught. :|

yeah watering with foil on is a pain.

[specs]

well i have remove the foil, There is also a fan going on this girls 24/7. flushing them will have to wait till next watering. or the next time i might be able to take them near a sink without getting caught. :|

yeah watering with foil on is a pain.

I'm not sure if it was already mentioned but using a fan through the growth cycle will increase the size and strength of the main stalk of the MJ plant. This will allow for faster/more nute intake and possibly increase bud size as a result.

Did or do you plan on cloning or not? I have taken clones at the end of the cycle to keep going it still is possible if you are planning on it.

Good Job
Bless
specs:rastasmoke:

[stickyichy]

im not sure if i plan on doing more then one grow but yeah its possible that i might take some clones and give that a try.

[klondike_bar]

im personally afraid of flushing too heavily, since my last 3ft plant died due to overwatering (it was ak47 2 weeks flowering)

mind you...the pot didnt have drainage holes *cries and hits head on desk*

[stickyichy]

oh god! well this morning i woke up and checked the ladies and well they have spots that are turning yellow and orange. I know it isnt the lights because it isnt warm enough and there is a fan going. The dirt was Bone dry all the way down. I gave them some water and i hope that helps.

I might flush them too when i get back. but its scaring me!

[klondike_bar]

eew. water at least every other day. maybe more depending on the size of pot/plant

[Zcomp]

If you've got your scope, then its time to inspect your leaves for pests. if you don't find pests, lots of things cause necrosis. When mine start to do that(usually right after I do a real good flush), I give them a shot of micro nutes(not a small portion of nutes,micronutes).
If you've got no micronute solution, try molasses. it contains lots of the micro nutes.

[stickyichy]

that might be a good idea to try that, is it also possible that they might have to many nutes?

I really think it was because they didnt have enough water. when i get home ill check them again.

[Zcomp]

I thought you just flushed? if so, I wouldn't worry. I intentionally over nute. I gradually increase the dose until a minor overdose occurs, then I pull back on the dosage.
A minor overdose appears as the tips of leaves dying and sometimes the sides curling up. You described spots, Thats when your plant is cannibalizing itself for stored nutes. Usually spots mean micronutes while general area necrosis usually indicates a macronute. This is all just in my experience(and what I've read), So just check it out, search for "rust spots" and you'll find the thread with the info you need.

[stickyichy]

next question though ... still haven't got home to check the ladies to see if it got worse but yeah next question. When do you start flowering? how many nodes should the plant have?

[Zcomp]

The nodes start to alternate when your girl is ready for flower. Instead of leaves being directly across from each other, one will be staggered up the stem or branch.

[BUZz UK]

You shouldn't have drainage problems if you get a good mix to the soil, and have adequete drainage. I use a small layer of fine gravel in the bottom of the pot, before the compost and perlite mixture. Make sure there are drainage holes in the pot too.

[stickyichy]

well guys i did the flush today. the plants are still looking ok there are some minor things that are going wrong but ill post them for you guys once the gallery section is back up.

[stickyichy]

oh and when i start flowering, Is it ok to continue using the 6500k bulbs or would i switch them all out with 2700k bulbs? or maybe just add in 2700k bulbs would that work?

[Zcomp]

Switch to the 2700K, I use 4 to 1 2700K-6500K. Mostly 2700K but a few 6500K thrown in.

[stickyichy]

well my plants are still alive after the time away from them but i might want to think about getting something in place for Christmas. As for everything else i got some more lights :D and umm well they look great and i wish i could show you all but that will have to wait until they fix the photo gallery.

[stickyichy]

quick question but the location of my plants might get pretty cold with the lights off when im flowering.. im wondering how cold it can get before they die? plus what are some things i can do to heat it up without starting a fire. The place is indoors but air flows from the outside.

[stickyichy]

Finally the pictures are working again so UPDATE!!!! WOOT tell me what you think.

These are from a couple weeks ago.
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These are current ones
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This one is my favoret you cant see it but there are millions of little white hairs coming off this lady! woot! so happy at least one of these is a beautiful female! Its weird because she is growing way different then the other 2 though. she has what looks to be multiple stocks and lots of pre flower growth. the other 2 are lagging behind. I think this one might be the bubble that i got from my friend though so that would explain it i guess.

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[stickyichy]

bumb, looking for a comment or two on how i might be doing

[Shovelhandle]

I just got here. I think that the photos are really nice, man! Plants are doing good.

Shovelhandle

[stickyichy]

Thanks man. Ill be posting some pictures soon. I want to know if these are ladies and well only one is showing...

[stickyichy]

oh yeah and should i be tying this babies down yet? or is it even worth it?

[stickyichy]

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Horrible photos... but if anyone can determine the sex of these plants help me out. plus... answer that question above?

[HydroSON]

if they have sacks then they're male if they have string like things then they're female. Photo 1 looks like a female to me. You know where the little stems meet with the main stem. In between there look for the sacks and string like things.

[stickyichy]

yeah then it is just too soon to tell one of them is really showing so i know but the others are kind of just taking their time.

[stickyichy]

Well its update time... what do you guys think... i started to flower them but one of them was already flowering before i kicked them into flowering... very strange.

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[stickyichy]

comments about anything? something i should change maybe?