have a serious question

[slipknotpsycho]

and at this point it's a qustion.... but i do ask that anyone with STRONG disagreement stayout of it (as in those who would say things like quitting is for pussies or w/e)

anyways, i do have to speifcy i do have to point out i am no in anyway considering stoppping using 'mind alternating chemcials' whether they be weed, alcohol or anything else....

at this point i's just merely a 'soul seeker' question...


do you have plans to ever stop it all and sober? or do you just go whevere the wind blows your sails? when i'm sober alli can think about is getting high... because the only time i can get my mind to slow down (i've had alot of emotional trauma in my life) and just stop so i can allow myself to be normal is by altering my sober state.... it doen't matter what i do, when i'm not sober i can't think quite right or as well.... so naturally when i am sober, and can think perfectly and perform at a higher rate then the population (as in if you split the population between slower minds and faster minds i'd be on the faster side, problems solvers and those who never stop thinking) anyways....

even with all that, when i get non-sober, i start feeling bad about myself... not because of what i'm doing, but because of why i'm doing it.... i've been through drug therpay clases and i was also locked up in ap lace that has a rehab program in it.... so i when i say, in fewer words 'i use it fix my problems' i feel even worse.... because that's the whole mentality that AA and similar programs feed on.... that a drug will never solve your problems, and i agree with that, but that doesn't mean it can't and won't help you deal with said problems (i don't ignore them either, i just don't lose my head, i'm more calm and rational)

but then when i go sober again, i realize i need said thing to 'be happy'... os it's like this continous circle.... when i have it, i'm fine and normal, and when i don't, i'm at rock bottom.... but that of course means when i have it, i do n't really wanna do it anymore.... but that just makes what i stated above even worse.... it ties into the 'one last thing time' only i never say it's one last time... i just get sober and realize life is going to be very hard without it...

and i do realize i'm rambling, but i want all my feeelings, thoughts an theories out there.... i don't confirm or deny i sound like the typical addict, that's not why i posted this here, i posted here to see if anyone ever feels the same... and if so what percentage do....

i already know, clinically i DO have a problem but those docotrs just group people together.... i mean you have you manic depressives, your shiczo's, etc.... but there are also diffrent levels, only doctors only really label it under one catagorey.... so yes, clinicly i have a problem, but on a perosnal basis they can't call that since everything reacts to people diffrent...

sorry that this is long, but i have alot of feeelings tied up into it, and it's been on my mind a long long time...

[geonagual]

Didnt you just say you got your connect back? Why dont you just smoke weed all the time..drink alcohol in moderation with occasional puking..but nothing else..that is the shit that is fucking with your mind..if you just stay with the weed..1..you will not crave it anymore because it is there..and you can control how much you wanna use to medicate yourself from the past..I understand growing up for you was fucked, but there is only one way is to move forward..marijuana will take you there, I am tellling you....forget them fucking rehab programs, it does not help all, it didnt for me and apparently it didnt for you..I am sure you cant afford expensive therapy..so that only leaves you one option brother:joint1:

[Unknown American]

I have no plans to quit smoking pot.

Pot does not distract me from doing what I need to do in life. I have strong goals and do not get thrown off track when I am high.

I am not quite sure what you are asking. But I hope you find what you are looking for.

[hero3279]

Hi friend. It feels as though I've written that out. Don't feel bad man. Just go with the flow. I too feel JUST like you, cross my heart an hope to die. People that say toking is alright and its' good, yes it is, but it's not harmless. It DOES have side effects, some major ones too, but you have to ask yourself, if it's worth it or not?

I too find it hard switching from sober/high/high/sober....but it's all part of the process. I feel bad alot when I smoke but you shouldn't really. It's just because it's illegal. I have to remind myself that it's only bad because it's illegal? I wouldn't say it's changed me, it's made me a better more understanding and open minded person. The people i've met through toking, the rules of life, the lies? you know? Loads of good things have come out of it. I enjoy the IDEA of smoking more than smoking itself.

I do want to quit for good, but find it hard to quit, although I know, obviously, I'm not going to toke forever. As long as you are questioning yourself, and doubting yourself, I think that's the only thing that matters. You acknowledge you MAY be wrong. But I think that's down to the people's perceptions of it, and it being called a 'Drug'. I look for hope and inspiration, like fellow tokers who you know, are doing alright and good but I don't seem to find any. Too many tokers live up to the stereotype (including me), but it's our job to change that?

And you clown, why are you saying it's long, I was really into that. I know MANY MANY tokers wont admit it, but they too have problems with it. They just dont want to admit it. Sometimes I hate weed, you know. Sometimes before I go sleep, I think fuck that...I'm not doing it again, because of various reasons. But then I toke again thinking, oh welll, it's only one joint.

Some people can smoke once in a month, or even a year and not be affected by it. I really do think it's all in the mind. In an ideal world, I wouldn't want to quit, but this bastard society has made ito ut to bad, so in order to live a 'normal, sane' life, keeping others (i.e family etc) happy, maybe you have to make sacrifices.

If you can CONTROL weed, then I think your loving it. It's really hard, and I'm trying to figure it out myself. I'm still working on it. I've been on it 9 months now and I feel bad but then I think there are chronic smokers who have smoked for decades...imagine what they go through? Then again, they have the lifestyles to accomodate it. Do you have a job??? Why do you feel bad?? is smoking weed and drink all you do? I don't have a job at the minute, so that's why I probably feel bad, but once I get a job...it's all good. Then I'll start feeling good about myself. I'm earning, not wasting time thinking ..."shall i smoke..." but instead....all throughout that shit day at work, just looking forward to that toke, you know? Like a reward. I'm a hypocrite cuz I'm not preaching what I practise, but it's going to change.

But on the whole....I don't think weed is really really bad. It could be much worse? Just go with the flow man, whatever your heart says, do that. If you wanna smoke, smoke, if you don't, fuck it. Only YOU can make that choice.....

Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question completely, but the only positive outlook and the true reality of life is...."it's too fucking short..." and remind yourself...in a 100 years...you will be dead. No more you.

GOOD LUCK with whatever you do man, and keep us informed on how you get along. We're all here for you!!!!:thumbsup:

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

hero3279, you are one amazing individual man!

[hero3279]

Why? CanaDanks, you are a even more amazing one for saying something like that ;) I hope your a girl so it's not a sausage fest, haha nah really. Thank you. You've made my day whoever you are man. I love you!

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

Mwahahah! I wish I had boobs.. damn!

Seriously though, I really find your posts open minded and real. You seem to be able to think in a broad perspective, which is not that common. A lot of people on this site are like that as well, but I like the way you think. You definitely don't put yourself ahead of others, yet you seem to always come out on top!

I'm feeling really empathetic tonight and had been trying too hard to answer this post for slip.. well you took the words out of my head. Now you owe me!!

;)

[geonagual]

Why? CanaDanks, you are a even more amazing one for saying something like that ;) I hope your a girl so it's not a sausage fest, haha nah really. Thank you. You've made my day whoever you are man. I love you!

love is in the mother fucking air today...enjoy that shit while you can..


to hero...you will struggle with the thought of quitting weed...I have many times...i have thrown pipes, bongs, papers...even dumped a brand new quarter of some dank ass shit in the lawn..but I think I have come to realize is what I like it in my life...and that is good enough for me...and I smoked weed for the first time 27 years ago..thats awesome..what a wonderful plant.

[CanaDanKs Inc.]

i have thrown pipes, bongs, papers...even dumped a brand new quarter of some dank ass shit in the lawn..but I think I have come to realize is what I like it in my life...and that is good enough for me...and I smoked weed for the first time 27 years ago..thats awesome..what a wonderful plant.


Yea man, I have done similar things as well. I used to feel bad about my weed smoking since it was so constant...

One day I realized how fortunate I was to be able to get high with such good herbals. Since then, I get real fucking happy when I'm high :rastasmoke:

[hero3279]

We're all in the same boat man. It HAS to be addiction though. HASSSS to be. It's probably near to none but there is addiction. 27 years and you say you have tried so hard to quit??? There's so much a person can do. If it was so easy to quit, everyone would quit cold turkey. Everything else is an excuse. I just love people who ADMIT it and are honest. So what if it's addictive? People just feel ashamed or bad thinking oh crap, I'm addicted, but fuck that. I'm addicted to jacking off, Who's going to sue me for that? Just go with it.

I think when the true time comes, we will know, that's it. Do you picture yourself smoking weed when your 70? No man, I'm sure loads of people who toked in the 60's outgrew it probably, and don't smoke now. It's just a phase in life.....and some people are lucky to go through that phase. I think pot smokers are really special people.

This is a quote from the movie "Human traffic"....sums up tokers I think.

"We wanna go somewhere else. We're not threatened by people anymore. All our insecurities have evaporated. We're in the clouds now. We're wide open. We're spacemen orbiting the earth. The world looks beautiful from here, man. We're nympholeptics, desiring for the unobtainable. We risk sanity for moments of temporary enlightenment. So many ideas. So little memory. The last thought killed by anticipation of the next. We embrace an overwhelming feeling of love. We flow in unison. We're together. I wish this was real. We want a universal level of togetherness, where we're comfortable with everyone. We're in rhythm. Part of a movement. A movement to escape. We wave goodbye. Ultimately, we just want to be happy. Heh, yeah, hang on, what the fuck was I just talking about?"

[WeedyBoyWonder]

You gotta have a point where you say stop and turn your life around, if you're not happy with the way things are in your life. Draw a line in the sand and move on. I knows it's really easy to say, but it's got to stop somewhere right? So you can enjoy the rest of your life and not feel troubled forever. If you want the change enough, make it dude, you can do it.
You can change your life and still reward yourself and enjoy in much less quantity's of what you like (cannabis!). Use the drug, don't let it use you.

[melodious fellow]

The magical cannabis plant is not psychically addictive. If you suffer any symptoms of addiction, it is PURELY psychological addiction, if any.... so in other words, worry not, brothas... :rasta:

Whether anyone will admit it or not, at least on a subconscious level, "smoking weed seems cool." This may be part of our rebellious nature coming through, as it is illegal, adding to the appeal... the forbidden fruit.

Also, it is the magical miracle cure for anything and everything.... who would not miss such a thing if it suddenly disappeared.

I have no desire to quit toking anytime soon, as I use it mostly medicinally. Even if I was just a pothead though, I do not think I would quit. People cite various reasons such as health and raising kids and that they finally grew up, etc. If one really cared so much about their health, I'm sure there are many other things they could fix first. Like be a vegan and run 10 miles a day. I personally would do that before I quit toking. And I challenge a health problem to bring it on.
Regarding parenting, why do I want my kid to think I don't smoke? I realize it is socially unacceptable and taught down upon in schools, but I do not want my kid to grow up being a mindless product of the government, religious, political propaganda bullshit socialization. I would never tell my kid until I caught him, but I wouldn't change something I love that is "soul refreshing" (I am listening to Robert Randolph) just to fit in with the views of the ruling class that my kid is already getting brainwashed to believe as ultimate truth.... Sorry, blazed.

IMHO, you guys are not going to solve any of your problems by not blazing. You will just become more aggravated and stressed about your same problems and eventually get frustrated enough and smoke a jay. Then you will feel guilty and beat yourself up for a few days, quit again... it is an endless cycle and the reason many diets fail.

My advice to you is this: Experiment with your tokin' habits. Cut back instead of quitting entirely. See how you feel and behave. Then try a little more one week and see how you feel and behave. Find the right combination of when, how much, etc that personally medicates you to meet your specific reasons/goals the best. Then you shall know what works for you.... your personal truth. One that you won't find an answer to on these forums or by me.

Peace, and easy tokin' brothas... Keep us updated!

[melodious fellow]

damn, bump.... this is a good thread, lots of cool posts by people. and i love your avatar, hero! yay for wake n bake on a holiday

[fasterspider]

Think carefully before you make any rash decisions.
I have done and been addictted to all the drugs & drinks out there and ended up quitting everything including cigarettes but, I still smoke weed and always will as long as my lungs will allow it.
Do what you honestly feel is the best thing for your personal growth but, be 100% totally honest. {Brutally Honest if need be}

[Reefer Rogue]

At the moment, i have the intention of smoking til I die. Perhaps that shall change one day, i can't predict that. All i know is that cannabis increases my happiness and so i continue to use it. If someone doesn't enjoy it anymore then i think it's time to stop and question why they are doing it. Follow your heart and your desires and find peace within yourself.

[el_fantistico]

Yeah... I totally get what you're saying. I've had periods where I've felt the same way. I smoke my weed in joints and I do it every day... several times a day. I don't smoke cigarettes but I do put a pinch of tobacco in to help with an even burn, but I fear said tobacco is the real reason why I am smoking as often as I do. Sometimes all I can think about is getting home and smoking up... and there are times when I've smoked and felt somewhat disappointed in myself for doing so.

Don't get me wrong, these spells are few and far between but they do occur.

One thing that I can't shake are the potential health negatives that come with smoking ANYTHING. Regardless of what any activist says, smoking ANYTHING is dangerous. Smoke in itself is nothing more than super heated ash particles some of which are collected in the tissues of a smokers lungs. Not a big deal if you're an occasional (once or twice a week smoker) but the culmitive effects over years of daily smoking will take its toll.

When I was in my 20's I never really thought about it... now I'm in my mid 30's, very active and aside from the pot use, quite healthy. This year and last year I started to feel not as healthy when it comes to cardio and stamina. It's catching up to me.

I know what the majority of you are going to say... stop putting tobacco in your joints: tobacco kills. It does. I agree. But here is some food for thought. Two months ago a friend of mine was diagnosed with lung cancer, she was a lifetime daily pot smoker, no tobacco. The doctor said her chest x-rays resembled that of a pack a day smoker in their 70's. She is 38.

So yeah... I do picture a time in the future where daily pot smoking is not part of my regime, I just donâ??t' know how to get there. I'd love to be a three times a week smoker... couple evenings during the week and a weekend day. And this is the only thing in my life I've really put off and neglected to do...

That being said, I loves my weed... LOVES my weed!

El Fantistico :smokin:

[slipknotpsycho]

Didnt you just say you got your connect back? Why dont you just smoke weed all the time..drink alcohol in moderation with occasional puking..but nothing else..that is the shit that is fucking with your mind..if you just stay with the weed..1..you will not crave it anymore because it is there..and you can control how much you wanna use to medicate yourself from the past..I understand growing up for you was fucked, but there is only one way is to move forward..marijuana will take you there, I am tellling you....forget them fucking rehab programs, it does not help all, it didnt for me and apparently it didnt for you..I am sure you cant afford expensive therapy..so that only leaves you one option brother:joint1:

i was mostly talking about weed.... it happens with alcohol too, hell it even happens with cigarettes... like when i've had one and i'm calm i sit there wondering why i'm doing this... fast forward 20 or 30 minutes and i get pissed as hell if i don't have my smokes...

oh yeah, if the message seems to of been typed when i was drunk, it wasn't, i had already taken my sleeping pills and it was one of my last posts for the night :p

[TryptamineScape]

group hug!

[stinkyattic]

My only chemical use is weed and alcohol and I'm kind of tapering off on the drinking- it makes my depression act up big time. I'm not sure if I'll ever say, "I don't drink and never will again" but I do want to at some point get to where I don't really drink, but if I'm at the company holiday party people aren't asking me why I don't have a drink and then going 'ooooh you don't drink you must have had a problem can I get you a glass of warm milk instead?' Don't scoff, I've gone through a couple spells of not drinking at all and people can be major asses about it. When your 'friend' is calling you up shitfaced at 11pm and trying to explain in slurred speech that he respects your decision not to drink but don't try to force it on him, and then trying to get you to come out for 'just one' before the bars close to prove that you CAN just have one, it's always a lovely situation....
It's in a way easier to turn down something that's illegal anyway... so why isn't weed, being far safer, legal, and alcohol not? Seems it would make things much simpler now wouldn't it?

[Unknownfigure]

I have never had the intention to stop using my medicine. It has done nothing but help me, in every sense. It has allowed me to realize the truth in many things, and in many people, and my lady Mary Jane has helped guide me from individuals that could have gotten me killed in my earlier life. She helps me make sense of the world. I feel that because of her, I can think more for myself, and just live a better quality of life. Yeah, it may be illegal, but it won't stay illegal. It can't. Because the truth is obvious, it will just take time. Cannabis is a miracle plant, and we can use it for many, many purposes, therefor even politicians will start campaigning for it to be legal. Maybe not for the right reasons, but atleast it won't be illegal. The top heads in the U.S. will look to collect the money from a brand new, multi-billion dollar industry - the industry of Cannabis.


For me, marijuana is a good thing. I hope it can stay a good thing for you, too, because something so wonderful shouldn't have negative effects.

[smoke_and_fly]

i am going to quit
when i have kids ill quit
but for now lets get wasted
peace

[Weedhound]

Stinky your friend is not a friend at all. And I can honestly say I have NEVER had ANYONE give me ANY sort of shit about what I am drinkiing.....alcoholic or not.

Slip...I think your problem is that you cannot imagine life without your "crutches" whatever they may be

I have only one very small offering but I hope you will take it......or that at least it will make you think.


Quitting – CHANTIX Official Site – CHANTIX is a Prescription Medicine to Help Adults Stop Smoking (http://www.chantix.com)

Have you heard of this medication? I quit smoking with it. Easiest fucking thing I ever did was to quit smoking with this medicine. You may want to try it.....it's an easy way for you to get an idea of life without one of your crutches. And you may be pretty fucking AMAZED at the freedom and possibilities then open to you once you do.

Which may give you the strength to take on your next crutch...and then next

If you've been doing this stuff all your life then OF COURSE you don't know how to live without it. That's what rehab and AA etc....all those thiings are for. To teach you.....but you have to want to learn.

Simple.....but not easy.

*hug*