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cwesto
10-23-2007, 09:10 AM
My plan :

- germinating using paper towel method, then planting poped beans in party cups to srpout.
- 4 parts Fox Farm Ocean Forrest to 1 part pearlite for my potting mix.
- ill be using blue standard incandecents to gro sprout to an inch or 2, then transplanting to my 1 gal pots.
- Plan on using 1 gal. pots for veg, and 3 gal. for flowering? advice on those sizes would be good?
- 1 400w MH conv. HPS for veg and flower respectively.
- 1 bag seed (already popped and under incandecant) + 7 big bud
- grow space is 4' wide x 2' deep x 8' tall
- Using Fox Farm Grow big for veg. FF Tiger Bloom along FF with open sesami, beastie bloomz and cha-ching for flowering also maybee some mollasas thru the grow, dont kno too much yet abotu mollassas but i hear its the shiznit. :cool:
- Homeade exaust system, thinking about the intake (nothing yet):(
- Plan on suppercropping half the girls and topping the other half.

I germed the one bagseed b4 my big bud's have come in b/c i have never germ'd and sprouted a plant b4, so that was sort of my test run. I dont have a digi cam right now, but soon plan on getting one so if this grow turns out good i will have many good pics to share with anyone who is interested. Also i would like to get up some pics of my setup to see what all ya think.

Ps if neone has a link to some good DIY intake ideas, i would appreciate the help. Thanks erbody :hippy::jointsmile:

cwesto
10-23-2007, 08:32 PM
now after the seed has popped in the paper towel and i put it in the soil should i keep the soil moist till the sprout comes or should i not water so the tap root goes down looking for water?

cwesto
10-24-2007, 01:33 AM
I didnt mean to put this thread in indoor lighting, does neone kno how i can put it somewhere elsE?

whisky
10-24-2007, 12:46 PM
i give a bit of water every 2 days .. it usually comes out in a week or so

cwesto
10-24-2007, 11:41 PM
Ahhh, thank you very much. I will do just that, but im not sure if the seed is still in the dirt, because the ferret got into the cup the other night.... Its cool tho. Hopefully it was a tasty treat for him, if he ate it.

I still have my other 8 seeds germinating right now. 5 Big Bud, 1 unknown, and 2 that i got for free along with the Big Bud. Hopefully they are ready soon so i can get them into the soil:thumbsup:

cwesto
10-26-2007, 08:00 AM
Very productive day in the ambitious world that is my closet. Were to start... ok, well i finished up the ventilation system on my closet today got my homeade light baffles up so there will be no pesky light leaks. Here is the link for the design of my homeade light baffles http://boards.cannabis.com/closet-cabinet-growing/138462-ventilation-ideas.html if neones interested.

I also had to run to Meijer, late night style, to get some rice and a tupperware to store the rest of my genetics. Doesnt really have nething to do with the gro, but i just thought id mention..

Im trying to run my room lights and exhaust system now with a thermometer in it to see if the temps r gonna be ok when the ladies go in. However the chronic shop is closed at 3 i nthe morning so i had to buy a fish tank termometer for now.. Pry wont work since it says dont put under direct light.... oh well, i plan on getting a nice digital thermometer and humididty measure tomarro when the chron store is open, also maybee i will pick up my FoxFarm nutrient tri-pak.

Talk to yall later..:thumbsup:

cwesto
10-26-2007, 09:09 PM
Ok its Friday morning, and i dont have class, im gonna garden:thumbsup:. I juyst got back from the chron store where i purchased a therm/humidity gauge that records highs and lows, so i can finallly see where my temps sit with the lights on.

So i got back to my house and put in the therm. in my closet. All closet lights and fans GO, quickly seal the hatches and switch systems to stealth mode. LOL, sometimes i cant help myself, im still a kid at heart with a hobby. So after about an hour of all systems go in the closet temps look to be around 78-79, not too bad. Humidity is around 35%, this i am kind of worried about, should i be looking for something in the 40-50% range??

Lets see what else is new in my closet?? oh yea i transfered my germ'd seeds into party cupps with a 1:3 of ocean forrest to perlite. Out of the 8 seeds i had cook'n in the oven (paper towel method, i would never bake a seed in an oven, what do u think im mad) 7 pop'd. All 5 of my big buds popped, alond with a bad seed i planted. I also got an unmarked bag of 10 seeds when i ordered my BIG BUD, which of the 10 i germ'd 2 and 1 has popped. I will probably leave his brother in the "OVEN" for a couple more days b4 i burry him in the garbage cemetary.

Love Peace and Chiken Greace, CWesto

cwesto
10-26-2007, 11:45 PM
Ok so i thought the temps were at 79F turns out i had the therm. set on daily low and it was reading 79F. I turned it back to actual and it says it is closer to around 85F... Hmmmmmmmm what to do

iriebowl
10-26-2007, 11:55 PM
well ive never been able to get temps below 82.0F with lights on and as high as 90.0F. never had any major issue from heat, just keep a fan on them to keep it breezy

cwesto
10-27-2007, 09:16 AM
Cool iriebowl, ill keep that in mind. I'm stilll looking for some way to get my temps down about 5-10F degrees and my humidity up by about 15%. I would just feel much better sleeping if i knew my babies were sleeping in as comfortable an enviornment as i am.

cwesto
10-27-2007, 09:26 AM
I said i was going to have some pictures. Here they are. These are just some pics of my seeds fresh in the soil. I have them just hangin out in the kitchen right now with the light on. They'll probably be there until they show face. Also a couple pics of my grow area. Any suggestions, advice, etc. etc. are welcome. PC

Pic 1 - Beans in the dirt. The empty cup is waiting for the last of the 8 beans, the "runt" if you will.

Pic 2 - My homeadelight light baffles suckin in teh air, and my knee.

Pic 3 - My light and fan hangin out in the closet. (inside cab)

Pic 4 - Homeade exhaust system. (top of cab)

Pic 5 - Intake ports from light baffles. (inside cab)

cwesto
10-27-2007, 09:30 AM
Now you see me, now u dont

Muahhhhahahahhahahaha

For some reason my knee likes sneaking into the pictures.

Ill have some better pictures later. Bye yall :rasta:

cwesto
10-28-2007, 12:08 AM
Pic 1- My 5 Big Buds all waking up nicely.

Pic 2- The unknown mistery seeds from Netherlands, lil bro is still trying to pop in the germ chamber. Doesnt she look so lonely.

Pic 3- A seed given to me by a friend, he swore it was some good crhon. Hope he is right as his idea will now be taking up soace in my cab.

Pic 4- A couple of em poppin out.

Pic 5- Stand tall my young padawon learner.

killerweed420
10-28-2007, 07:16 AM
Use clear plastic cups next time. You can see how the roots are doing.

systrex
10-28-2007, 07:30 AM
but with clear plastic cups wouldn't the light hit the roots. my understanding was light was bad for the roots....

cwesto
10-28-2007, 07:43 AM
yea, I thought light was a no no for roots?????

cwesto
10-28-2007, 07:52 AM
Well the last seed that i was trying to germinate is a dud, i believe. Im gonna let him stay for another day or 2 then he is getting the preverbial "Boot." If he gets the boot il germ another seed from the mystery bag from Netherlands.

Heres a pic of the nutes ill be using thru my gro. I was thinking about adding some molassas when flowering rolls around, not sure yet tho, I already have a pretty packed line-up when it comes to the nutes.

And, yes that is Donnie, the turtles and KC Jones whoop'n up on the footsoldier in the background. TURTLE POWER!!! :jointsmile:

cwesto
10-28-2007, 08:36 AM
:gunfighter2::gunfighter2:T-U-R-T-L-E Power

cwesto
10-29-2007, 01:45 AM
Heres a couple pics of my babies soaking in the artificial sun. They are currently about 8" underneath 2 CFL's, a 45w soft white and a 26w 6500k cool light. Temps are 72 and humidity is 53%

cwesto
10-29-2007, 04:35 AM
It is about the end of the day, my day. I managed to get my ballast out of my cab, i am hoping that this will help lower my daytime temp's from 80-85 to about 75-80. I however cannot turn on my HPS and see what the temps are because my sprouts are obviously occupying the area.

spongebobsmokepants
10-29-2007, 05:31 AM
Looking good so far. This is the stage that many of us will tend to love our seedlings to death by overwatering. I let mine get really dry before watering. allowing it to dry out encourages the roots to grow more to search for moisture.

FireTheft
10-29-2007, 05:37 AM
do NOT use clear plastic cups....light is very bad for roots

rnichilo
10-29-2007, 06:45 AM
how they coming? :rastasmoke:

cwesto
10-29-2007, 07:03 AM
Looking good so far. This is the stage that many of us will tend to love our seedlings to death by overwatering. I let mine get really dry before watering. allowing it to dry out encourages the roots to grow more to search for moisture.

Its funny u say that, i was just looking at the soil starting to dry about 2 minutes ago. But, yes ive heard about roots going deeper in search of moisture, hopefully i can reserve myself from watering until it is really needed.


do NOT use clear plastic cups....light is very bad for roots

Yea, ive never heard anyone say anything against it, but it just doesnt sound like a good idea to me. Roots are naturally in the dark their whole lives anyway.


how they coming? :rastasmoke:

Good so far, i think. I got em about 3-4" under my 2 CFL's. Temps are around 65-70 with the CFL's on 24hrs, they will probably go up closer to 80-85 when i put the 400w on it. I plan on having them under CFL's for about 1 to 1&1/2 weeks until breaking out the MH on them.

PS. rnichilo, i saw URBANGROWER on ur sig., Hell Yea.

cwesto
10-30-2007, 01:30 AM
Pic 1 - YEAAAAAAA, last seed pop'd today and is now in the soil. Will put under CFL's as soon as she shows face. :clap::clap::clap:

Pic 2 - Look at em bending inwards towads the CFL's, how cute.

Pic 3 - Just another pic, look how the leaves have grown in just 1 day :thumbsup:

nosaj
10-30-2007, 09:45 PM
Wow my seeds are not sprouting that high at all, i wonder why. One has seemed to open up and has 4 leaves but isnt more than 1/2 inch tall.

cwesto
10-30-2007, 10:03 PM
yea i dont kno nosaj. 6 of mine are big bud, so im hoping it is part of their strains characteristics. Its either that or stretching, i think im going to lower my 400w CMH tonight, its is currently at 4' over the plants. I think mine stretched b/c i had them on my kitchen counter top for the firts day they sprouted out of the ground, so it strectched toward the ceiling light :( I think it will still be ok for them to be that long at this age. Wont it??

cwesto
10-31-2007, 01:22 AM
Wow, ok so i get back from class tonight at 9 to find my loset completely dark, as in lights out and exaust fan turned off. It is starnge tho because they are both on the same digital timer which was still on, it son batteries so its always on. Also the room fan was still on which goes to the same extension cord as my light ans exaust..... hopefully this does not happen again.

afghooey
10-31-2007, 01:54 AM
looks like those seedlings are stretching out pretty badly. Lower those lights (or raise the cups) so that the plants are no more than 2 inches away from the lights. Don't want them to stretch too much or they'll flop over.

cwesto
10-31-2007, 03:56 AM
looks like those seedlings are stretching out pretty badly. Lower those lights (or raise the cups) so that the plants are no more than 2 inches away from the lights. Don't want them to stretch too much or they'll flop over.

i dont think 2" with the 400 MH isnt gonna work. im pretty sure it will fry those little guys. Yea the lights r 45" away right now, i am trying to move them clsoser and closer gradually, since they r still so young.

norkali
10-31-2007, 04:31 AM
He means the CFL's. Not the MH. The MH needs be be a couple feet away at first.

cwesto
11-02-2007, 02:24 AM
Over the oast 2 days i have lowered the lights from about 4' all the way to 2'. The reason for the hasty move was that my young plants (4 days) had already stretched alot and they were starting to look a lil wobly. I thought that this quick adjustment would stress the young plants, but i think they are taking it pretty good. I also put my 2 day old plant under the light and im pretty sure it likes it. Umm... what else, I watered the garden, used about 1 tsp/gal for all plants except, the ind/sat baby who got only Ph'd water. :rastasmoke:

Hey does anybody have any idea why my perlite in the cups is turning a yellow tint?

Pic 1 - This is a pic from about 10 pm on day 4.
Pic 2-5 are from about 10 minutes ago.
2 - chron seed front, BB3 back (already 2.75" high)
3 - trying to show the stretch, u can see BB1 (middle) has got a lil swivel in its stem.
4 - Lights are 2' up.
5 - Overhead view of garden, w/ heights.

Until next time, keep on smokin.

cwesto
11-02-2007, 02:40 AM
I leave my oscillating fan on at night time when the lights are out in the cab. Does anybody know if this is bad for the young plants, like if they r supposed to rest and be still to recharge at night?? Or can i keep on doing this.

whisky
11-02-2007, 09:04 AM
i just close my fan in the night, i dont think it really matters if its on or off.. bring the lights down 10cm every day IMO.

bstheory
11-02-2007, 09:43 AM
hey, clear plastic cups actually seem like a good idea if you wrap them in something thick (duct tape?). Besides, light would only get to the roots on the sides of the cup. You guys agree or am I taking crazy pills?

cwesto
11-02-2007, 10:14 PM
hey, clear plastic cups actually seem like a good idea if you wrap them in something thick (duct tape?). Besides, light would only get to the roots on the sides of the cup. You guys agree or am I taking crazy pills?

Ummm i guess that would work, lol. I dont see why u dont just buy dark party cups instead tho, seems like it would be easier than wrapping all my cups in tape. Wasnt that kinda far back in the thread tho??? haha I forgot all about the clear cups argument.

cwesto
11-02-2007, 10:16 PM
Thanks for the advice whiskey, i may try that or move them closer at least when the little guy gets a bit bigger.

cwesto
11-03-2007, 06:46 PM
I am pretty sure that I am the Man, today at least. I put together a DIY cooltube, using a hurricane glass. Its not done yet, i still need to get a exaust fan for the rig, and thats about all. Its not really part of my BB gro, but it has to do with it so here u go. Please let me kno what u all think about my project.

pic1 outside of cab view.
pic2 profile of that sleak beauty.
pic3 up close and personal.
pic4 idea of where the duct goes to. i was thinking of putting the exaust fan between those 2 pieces of duct. and im only getting a small inline fan maybee 80 cfm, no huge fans that could be mounted on the back of an everglades boat. KRRRIIIIIKKKKYYYY.

Does anyone have advice on where the exaust fan should be installed in the line of cooltubes and exaust duct. ie - after the cooltube, at the wall were the duct evacuates the room??

zebulon
11-03-2007, 07:46 PM
This DIY cooltube is some really good work:thumbsup:....and your plants look nice too...
when you planning to transplant them into a bigger pot????

cwesto
11-03-2007, 08:05 PM
Thanks Zeb :D;). Not sure about the transplant, they are ready whenever. I plan on putting them in 1 gallons which i already have, for the veg, and i was thinking 3-5 gallon for flowering, i have to go pot shopping tho to see sizes, but that is down the road. I was thinking of putting them in my 1 gal's anywhere from 1-3 days from now. Any suggestions?

zebulon
11-03-2007, 08:17 PM
I think you should only do 1 transplanting ,cuz its causes stress to yo lil'babygirls...:D put em in 3-5 gallon pot's

cwesto
11-04-2007, 01:10 AM
Zeb, I consider myself a newb, only second gro like the thread suggests, and i have read about transplanting causing stress, u are right. But the thing is, my area only allows for 8 1gal pots or about 4 5gal pots, so what i am doing is veg'ing 8 plants. Hopefully after sexing i will have at least 4 females, law of averages. etc etc. This is when i will go to the 5 gal's and ditch the boys. U r right but i have other plans :rastasmoke: :hippy:

bstheory
11-04-2007, 04:41 AM
Ummm i guess that would work, lol. I dont see why u dont just buy dark party cups instead tho, seems like it would be easier than wrapping all my cups in tape. Wasnt that kinda far back in the thread tho??? haha I forgot all about the clear cups argument.

Haha, yep it was a bit back in the thread. A nostalgic little post. BUT just wrap it in something you can peel back if you wanna check out the roots every now and then. I'm totally going to use clear cups.

cwesto
11-04-2007, 06:48 AM
I have now had my cooltube installed for a whole day :thumbsup:. I cannot believe how much it is helping out, it has already brought the daytime temps from around 87-88F down to about 80F, and i dont even have an active exaust fan going yet :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:. Hopefully after i get my inline i will be temp problem free. I also have to cleane the cooltube tomoro, since i got it kind of dirty and smudged up tofay, when i was putting it together.

afghooey
11-04-2007, 03:45 PM
Those lil babes are looking a lot better now, I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this thread.

Nice work on the cooltube too. :stoned:

cwesto
11-05-2007, 04:40 AM
Thanks afghooey, I appreciate that. Yea, I had seen some DIY cooltubes online but none of them were detailed enough for me. So I kind of just bought a bunch of stuff and put it together. I wasnt really sure what i was doing, but i think it worked out good. I still have to locate a fan for it tho.

Ill have some updated closeups tomoro :thumbsup:

afghooey
11-05-2007, 06:24 AM
Looking forward to the pics! Do you have a fan on those seedlings by chance? It'd be good to strengthen up those lil stems, especially with the stretching.

cwesto
11-05-2007, 10:44 AM
Looking forward to the pics! Do you have a fan on those seedlings by chance? It'd be good to strengthen up those lil stems, especially with the stretching.

Yes , I have a ocilating fan, one of those ionic breeze ones. I'm pretty sure it cleans the air too :thumbsup:

cwesto
11-05-2007, 11:03 AM
I just got home its 5am, there is a disaster in my gro room. I was just getting ready to go to bed, lights off, tv off, QUIET. I hear a noise in my grow room like something is running around in there and thought that my rromates ferret got in, or a BIG house mouse or something. After i listened to it for a second I heard a pattern, so i knew there wasnt an animal, this is a good thing.... but i still had to see what the noise was, it was something noticable. So I had to open the cab, IN THE DARK PERIOD :mad:. Turns out that the duct that i had from my cooltube to the wall broke and fell on my BB#1 and simply, laid her down :(.

So now instead of sleeping in tomoro till about noon I have to wake up and put up new duct AND re-hang my light. :mad: I still dont understand what caused the aluminum duct to simple break in the middle of the entire length?? I'm guessing that the duct got too hot b/c I have no inline yet, and the wire inside of the duct got weak and gave allowing the duct to rip.

So now it's 6AM and the post is done, I guess im just staying up for an hour till 7 when the lights come on to repair BB#1 and my duct and assesing further damages. I hope the other are alright, since I didnt really have a long time to investigate since it was the DARK PERIOD.

Great night.

norkali
11-05-2007, 07:02 PM
Ahh! Your experienced now! :thumbsup:

Good luck, things should be fine, just stay positive and try to relax.

Prop BB#1 up, and give a drop of superthrive in water, if you have any superthrive.

How are the repairs going?

cwesto
11-05-2007, 09:12 PM
Ahh! Your experienced now! :thumbsup:

Good luck, things should be fine, just stay positive and try to relax.

Prop BB#1 up, and give a drop of superthrive in water, if you have any superthrive.

How are the repairs going?

It was a late night indeed, got to bed at about 8am. My roomate was up tho cause he had to work in an hour. So we managed to put up the new duct and prop up BB#1. I thought the celebration needed to be documented :) Ill have new plant pics today sometime.

I didnt have any superthrive, I used 1 tsp of grow big, with Ph'd water.

CannabisCarl2134
11-05-2007, 09:32 PM
Ghea! Nice Grow Brotha. I just took a bong rip, because of those pics.:jointsmile:

cwesto
11-05-2007, 11:00 PM
Ghea! Nice Grow Brotha. I just took a bong rip, because of those pics.:jointsmile:

HAHA Nice on cannabiscarl, I appreciate it.

cwesto
11-06-2007, 01:47 AM
Day 8 went good, I am at about 100% full operation. I have all the plants transplanted, the cooltube is up, still w/o a fan tho. Anyways here are a few pics today just after the transplant and water with 1 tsp grow big.

Pic 1 - Top inside view of cab.
Pic 2 - All of the exccept for the 8th which i could not fit in the pic. Back row, all the way left is the palnt that got squashed last night, shes cool now tho :cool:
Pic 3 - Part of the BB crew.
Pic 4 - Another of the BB, with too much light for the camera.
Pic 5 - Right side of garden

cwesto
11-08-2007, 10:29 AM
I planed on using these pots thru veg, then transplant at flowering. These pots will be big enough to use for the whole veg right??

By the way these things r growing great, ill post new pics tomoro when the lights come on.

cwesto
11-09-2007, 06:42 AM
Its been 4 days since the last pics were takin, so i figured i would update. Here u go and enjoy.

There has been no cool things happen lately, just the amazing growth of my 8 babies. Well that is except the 8th, for some reason that one is going very slow, i think it may be because i put it about 2' under the MH as soon as it came out of the dirt, it probably stunted its growth or somthing. Anyways heres the pic, lemme kno what u all think :D

PS does anyone have any advice as to when i should start topping these bad boys??

CannabisCarl2134
11-09-2007, 09:39 PM
There looking Awesome! I topped mine about 3 weeks into veg, after the 3rd node. Or just LST, thats a lot better IMHO. ~ Greens

cwesto
11-09-2007, 10:50 PM
CannabisCarl, thanks man. What is LST mean in ur opinion, i find that in cannabis cultivation most everyone has different deffinitions for different training terms??

GROWGUY420420
11-09-2007, 11:23 PM
ive been following this thread beautiful plants mann:thumbsup:

cwesto
11-09-2007, 11:53 PM
Thanku very much growguy. Thats the best kind of motivation i think a beggining grower (myself) can have.

Its always better to be patted on the back rather than patting urself on the back.:dance::clap:

Skrappie
11-10-2007, 12:45 AM
I know you didn't ask me, but its my favorite thing to talk about as of current.

To me LST is when you bend the plant to grow as vert as you can. Directing its growth to the empty areas of the pot, and controlling the side stems that will eventually become your colas when you ease up with bondage and start flowering.

When most people think of LST its about bending the plant down, sometimes Tying it to itself. If you let the plant grow vertical, each side branch that will EXPLODE in growth may also need to be trained, in order to keep things even, and keep the hormones (auxins?) from regulating growth.

CannabisCarl2134
11-10-2007, 02:55 AM
LST= Low Stress Training.

Bodom of Children. Has the been LST I have seen done to a plant, and or that I have found around the internet. Here is the Link, and its about 12 posts down. http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/77007-questions-138w-cfl-rubbermaid-grow-flowering.html

http://img482.imageshack.us/img482/3765/lst1hb3.jpg
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/2483/lst2xy4.jpg

cwesto
11-10-2007, 02:56 AM
Its COOL Skrappie, u dont need to be asked, not in my post. Thanks for the explanation, thats kinda what my thoughts of LST were, but u kno what i mean like everyones got different ideas about suppercropping and LST and it seems like alot more. Thanks again Skrap.

Tahknu also Carl for the pics, those are helpfull.

So for anyone who wants to answer, including u Skrap; when do u start LST training, veg i would imagine. The only reason i ask is because last time i grew a plant it didnt even grow side branches during veg, except like the fan leaves u kno. Then a couple of weeks into flowering i started to see side branches forming. I am guessing this may be because the plant was POSSIBLY immature when i forced flowering????

CannabisCarl2134
11-10-2007, 03:00 AM
Its very simple brotha, and is said to be better than topping. So is the ongoing debate about whether to Veg under 24/7 Light or 16/8. see what I mean? Its all Apples&Oranges.

I recommend it, Google it and Learn it Read about it.

GROWGUY420420
11-10-2007, 03:24 AM
no problem mann hopfully if my first grow this spring looks as good as yours you could give me a couple pats on the back..good job mann:cool:

Codie_McGuire69
11-10-2007, 03:39 AM
hey growguy420420 whats happenin

GROWGUY420420
11-10-2007, 03:44 AM
not too much mann chillen:rasta:..waiting for winter to go by as fast as possible to start my crop..how about you?

:rastasmoke::rastasmoke::rastasmoke:

Codie_McGuire69
11-10-2007, 03:45 AM
good job cwesto hope they all turn out to be female

Codie_McGuire69
11-10-2007, 03:47 AM
same here man gonna grow hollands hope next year

GROWGUY420420
11-10-2007, 03:52 AM
nice man that shit shood be daaaannnk and a half:jointsmile:

i needa get my hands on a couple good seeds
good luck dude :rastasmoke:

cwesto
11-10-2007, 03:53 AM
Thanks Codie. Actually I only want about 4-5 girls tops, so they can all fit in my room, since i am going to be upgrading to bigger pots at flowering. But if i do have all girls i will surely take them as a blessing, even if they cant all fit in my gro room, im sure i can find someone who will adopt the extras that cant fit.

Codie_McGuire69
11-10-2007, 03:57 AM
r you going to grow outside next year

cwesto
11-10-2007, 04:20 AM
I cant gor outside b/c i live in an urban area, not suitable for MJ cult. Im strickly indoors, if indeed u r talking to me, im not sure whats going on in this thread right now.

GROWGUY420420
11-10-2007, 04:23 AM
if that question is for me then yes..may sometime if everything gos according to plan:rasta:

hey cwesto how are your babies doin??:jumphappy:

GROWGUY420420
11-10-2007, 04:27 AM
lets give cwesto his thread back..:jointsmile: grow strong dude!

hey codie we could talk in one of my threads just hit me up mann

:hippy:

Codie_McGuire69
11-10-2007, 04:29 AM
that kinda sucks that you cant grow in the great outdoors and yea how r ur babies doin

cwesto
11-10-2007, 06:30 AM
GrowGuy, the babies are doing fabtabulous. LOL thnks for the thread back by the way. :thumbsup:

GROWGUY420420
11-10-2007, 06:34 AM
haha no problem im out mann.. say goodnight to ur plants for me haha:D

cwesto
11-13-2007, 04:37 AM
My plants have been veging now for about 2 weeks now. They are all pretty healthy, except for one which cant seem to form a solid looking leaf. Today i started LST, and im prett sure all went well. I will have some pics of those later tonight.

Anyway i looked at my plants a minute ago, and it seems a few of them are showing some male pre-flowers. My question is why r my plants showing pre-flowers only 2 weeks into veg??

Any and all input is very welcome, i am kind of worried.

cwesto
11-14-2007, 01:23 AM
OK, now when i am LST'ing i need to get the top of the plant underneath the nodes that i want more auxins at correct??? I am only asking b/c yesterday i LST'd them and already today the tops have raised up to the light and are now over the internodes which it was originaly below.

Should i put them in more bondage keeping the tops below the internoeds???? and if so hhow llong should it be tied down ??

cwesto
11-14-2007, 06:47 PM
2 weeks, woohoo, well i guess i still have about 10 more to go lol. OK here are some new pics of my LST'd plants, check em out lemme kno if i am doing anything wrong, or if it could be done better.

Also i added a top layer of hydroton over top of my soil, the chron shop guy was telling me this will help the soil to stay in better condition and not dry out as quickly b/c of no direct light hitting it. Also said it would promote roots to grow into the top couple inches of soil, that would normaly be dried out. I havent noticed any improvements as far a vigor goes, but i have noticed a strange smell coming from my cab, i think it is just the hydroton that got wet when i watered and now the light is baking the nutes off of the hydroton balls. It sure has a funk smell to it. We'll see how it goes

Heres the pics i dont have any descriptions of them cause i was high and forgot what plants the pics are of. Also I have spotted some male flowers on a couple plants. IS this normal after only 2 weeks veg??? And should i pull them out now??

They r currently OUT of the closet and under some CFL's in my room. Even if these are pre-flowers dont male pre-flowers usually mean a male plant. And also could this early show of sex be caused by a light leak?

whisky
11-14-2007, 07:55 PM
the preflowers arent always male, so dont rip/kill/mutilate anything yet ;) in a couple of days (1-3) look at the 1st and 2nd node from the top and they should show if its balls or hairs

cwesto
11-14-2007, 11:17 PM
Whiskey, the tops of the two plants both have small honeycomb shaped structures of balls on the top. I didnt kno if preflowers ever apeared on the tops of plants, as i have only grown once. But why are they flowering when still in a 18/6, let alone only 2 1/2 weeks thru 18/6???

Also I am guessing that the small clusters of balls all over the plant, including the tops means males, correct?? Can they be removed from the cab now??

cwesto
11-16-2007, 08:54 AM
The LST is lookin really good, I checke don em today and they are starting to get some side shoots developing :thumbsup:. I'll probably leave the tops tied down for about another 3 or 4 days and then release the tops to resume growth. I will for sure be posting pics tomorow when the lights come on. :cool:

cwesto
11-16-2007, 11:23 PM
Just showing some new pics from today, if u look closely on some of the pics u can see side shoots forming. :thumbsup:

ENJOYYYYYY:hippy:

cwesto
11-16-2007, 11:45 PM
I know it doesnt have much to do with the grow, but here are soem pics of good time, pets, and other shit i felt like posting.

Pic 1- I found a loop hole on a sports betting website, were we literaly could not lose, me and my friends had over $10,000 in our account from the bowl games last college football season. Until the website took it all back because they said they messed up... YEA U COULD SAY THEY MESSED UP ALRIGHT LOL.

Pic 2- A vicious land weasel.

Pic 3- The same vicious land weasel eating my chips, who does he think he is :mad:

Pic 4- a tree that got frozen solid with ice last winter, i thought it looked cool.

Pic 5- A tower-o-beer.

zebulon
11-17-2007, 12:23 AM
Pic 5- A tower-o-beer.

Nice work man:thumbsup:

Ps.: Don't let that vicious land weasel eat your plants!!!

Ps2.: I think you should get your lamp a lil closer to the plants...

cwesto
11-17-2007, 12:38 AM
Zeb, dont worry about the plants the weasel only eats weasel food and sun chips, hes a strange animal. He doesnt really like people food, u can put him on the dinner table, I DONT, but i have befor and he will smel people food then just run away.

Also my lamp is like 12" above my plants, Y do u think it should be closer???

zebulon
11-17-2007, 12:59 AM
Sorry i don't know how much 12" is....in Europe we use the metric system....
You should use the hand test... put your hand under the lamp ,and the distance where it wont burn your hand ,(plus a few ( " ) ), the plants are safe...
The closer they are , the more light they get,the faster they will grow...

That weasel is btw. very cute...:)

cwesto
11-17-2007, 01:15 AM
Sorry Zeb, i seen ur flag, i should have put 2 and 2 together.

OK FYI when u see tihs again, " means inches while ' means feet

so 12" is = to 1' 60" would be 5' and so on and so forth.

Got it? ' = feet and " = inches.

zebulon
11-17-2007, 01:22 AM
Thanks pal:thumbsup:....i think i got it ..so one feet is 12" ....
i know that 1 feet is 0.3m or so...

CannabisCarl2134
11-17-2007, 02:09 AM
LST Looks Awesome Broseph! Keep up the great work West! CC:rastasmoke:

cwesto
11-17-2007, 08:17 AM
yea ur right i think 1 meter is aprox. 3 feet.

Thanks Cannabis Carl.

I'm hoping that those side shoots start to blow up soon, i will for sure be updating when something cool happens.

LaidZeppelin
11-17-2007, 08:33 AM
you want a much easier way than that stupid paper towel method....just use rockwool cubes and then plub the cubes into soil...it makes it difficult to over or under water cause the cubes always provide a good amount of oxogen to you rootball....just a suggestion....its really cheap and makes things much easier....plus you dont have to handle the tiny little sprouted seeds.

norkali
11-18-2007, 01:38 AM
Looking good Cwesto. :thumbsup:

Jerry Garcia 2007
11-18-2007, 09:26 AM
I just read your thread.
I do have one suggestion. Do you have a fan on your sprouts? I put one on mine before they pop up so when they do pop up they start dancing in the wind imeadatly and stay very short and strong.

cwesto
11-18-2007, 09:30 AM
Jerry, they have had a oscilating fan on them since birth, runs 24/7 even when we are not looking. They are currently laying down and experiencing some LST, but Im still keeping it breezy in there :cool:, I figured the synth. wind is always good.

iriebowl
11-18-2007, 09:41 AM
looking good with that lst. thats a cool land weasel a few years back i had a mongoose but he was a mean bugger. coolest lil buddy though

cwesto
11-18-2007, 01:13 PM
looking good with that lst. thats a cool land weasel a few years back i had a mongoose but he was a mean bugger. coolest lil buddy though

I was watchin Animal Planet the other day on TV and they had a dwarf mongoose, it was pretty cool. It was the size of my land weisel but was a mongoose. It was cuddling with the guy who had it too, so i guess he was a nice mongoose...

Jerry Garcia 2007
11-18-2007, 02:38 PM
Now have seen
them, keep up the LST for another 2 weeks, they look great. eEach one of those shoots is going to become a main colla, more colla's more yeild, here it a pic of mine at week 4, there are 15 plants and the cannopy is 6" to 8" above the soil. I have not pulled the males yet due to I have not sexed yet but when I do that will give me 50%more room to flower in.

Posting pictures is a pain on this sight it keeps droping the attachments when ii close the window.

cwesto
11-18-2007, 11:20 PM
Jerry, another 2 weeks huh?? Do u think i should start easing up on the main stem top to let it strart growing up again, while still keeping the plant horizontal and continuing LST?

Jerry Garcia 2007
11-19-2007, 12:58 PM
What I have found is after performing LST to the main kola, after a coulple of days it has started growing up to the light again and will pass the new axils. So I tied it down again and got 2 to 4 more new axils growing I kept doing this for I think 5 times maybe more. Plus when the new axils reached 4" I tied them down and more Axils came out of them, now for the last week I have just let them grow up vertically no more LST. One other thing I did was whenever a fan leaf formed over a kola or axil sprout and could not be moved out of the way, I pruned it. I did this alot to the leaves over the center and it paid off with little if any shock to the plant, after removing the leaf the sprout grew and within 24 hours filled the spot with 2 leaves.
Now I have 10 to 18 Kola's per plant growing at 8" to 12" high in a true SOG style they look like nice hedges in a bucket. I am going to induce Flowering today or tomarrow.
I did take a cutting from each plant to try and sex them but on day 6 no positive sign of either sex yet.

Now this is the way I am doing my grow and it seems to working quite well for me you may want to do this or experiment continue LST on half and let the others go and see which does better.

Good luck and wish you a great grow!

cwesto
11-20-2007, 07:06 PM
Did some more LST and twisty tying today. The side shoots are apearing pretty wuick now, so i twisty tied alof of the bottom fan leaves out of th way, since the plants is bent all over the place alot of fan leave were getting bunched up and not allowing light to any of the future bud branches.

Ill try and get some pics up tonight after my night class. :thumbsup:

norkali
11-23-2007, 04:04 AM
Do u use both those products through the whole grow or just veg??

Are both the wet betty an growth excel by Advanced Nutrients?

Also will those be alright with my full FoxFarm package?

Just veg. Yep, they're both by Advanced Nutrients. I think they would compliment the Fox Farms nicely; that's what I'm doing. :thumbsup:

cwesto
11-28-2007, 03:58 AM
So I left town last wednesday for about 4 days. I came back and couldnt believe my eyes. Here are some pics from today, see if u believe ur eyes..

Pic 1 - A birds eye entrance :greenthumb:

Pic 2 - Profile of the back row of garden

Pic 3 - A stem that got really twisted during LST, I think it looks cool, hope its still healthy

Pic 4 - The lookout, chillin in my hoody, protecting the cigs.

Pic 5 - A birds eye exit.

:rastabanna::jawdropper:

zebulon
11-28-2007, 05:30 PM
Wow Cwesto ,your plants look great:thumbsup: and they are growing nicely....and the LST looks really good....nice work so far:thumbsup:...
I think you will have some really nice sticky buds in a few months....any sings of pre-flowering ???

(That vicious land weasel is so cool..:D:D:D)

Shovelhandle
11-28-2007, 07:26 PM
:thumbsup: Real nice.

Shov

cwesto
11-28-2007, 10:25 PM
Zeb, no preflowers yet that i have spoted, i am seeing the begining of alot of secondary growth whcih is kind of like a preflower psych outs :D. Another crazy thing happened also, on of the grow branches seems to have managed to top itself in a way. I never tied it down because it was so much smaller than the rest of the branches i wanted it to get extra light but it has misteriously split off into 2 different grow branches by itself.... no blade necessary.

Thanks guys

norkali
12-03-2007, 06:27 PM
Wow. That's weird. Things are looking good. When do you think you'll induce flowering? How are they now?

cwesto
12-03-2007, 10:08 PM
I was actually thinking of inducing flowering tonight, im not sure yet tho, i was kind of trying to wait for the prefloweres. But..... i think 4 out of the 6 plants have alternating branched which from what i kno means that the plant is mature enough to start flowering.

Ill try and get some pics up tonight of my plants seeing as how the last pics are about a week old now.

PS Norkali they look really good, i have have some of the lower fan leaves turning yellow andbrown and dying but im pretty sure that is because of a couple reasons. 1. The LST has laid some of the fan leaves down on the soil, so they may be burning from left over nutes that got on em, 2. They are not getting enough light since the plant is getting pretty bush now a days. Besides that i have noticed a very small bit of what looks like ozone damage, but im not sure. I think all is going pretty well tho.

cwesto
12-03-2007, 10:39 PM
HAHA Norkali as soon as i got done replying i went to look in my garden and what do ya kno, some preflowers lol, i love how the cannabis gods surprise u like that u know. MUAHAHAHA

Ok i saw a possible 2 plants w/ male preflowers, let me strss the word possible, not sure yet if they are male preflowers or just some wierd growth, pry male pre flowers tho. I also saw 2 plants w/ for sure female preflowers, that leaves 2 unknown still, and since one didnt come out of the dirt until a week after the rest i may have to wait on that one.

I am for sure turning the lights off in an hour and a half, which will be the first 12 hour day woohoo. Heres the pics tho everyone... enjoy ;)

Pic 1 - The plant in the far corner and the plant closest are females

Pic 2 - U can see the one that never caught the business end of my LST'ing fingers.

Pic 3 - This is what has been happening to a few of the leaves toward the bottom of the plant, most are down so far they are on the soil, which is why i think nutes got splshed on em and cooked em in the light.

Pic 4 and 5 - More pics.

norkali
12-04-2007, 02:29 AM
Nice! The lower leaves yellowing/dying off is no problem, they just don't get enough light to stay healthy and green. I've been pruning plenty of em' on my ladies.

Wait for those "male" growths.....just a little bit, they may decide to poke out some pistils. :jointsmile:

cwesto
12-05-2007, 03:24 AM
Thanks Norkali for the input, its good to see someone has interest in what im tryin to do here :D. Hey by the way when r we gonna see some new pics of ur garden??? did u get ur lights to 12/12 yet or r u still in the transition??

norkali
12-07-2007, 06:22 AM
I'm in full flower now! Today was Day 9. Will post an up date in another couple of days....

stinkyattic
12-07-2007, 11:56 AM
Cwesto, reading your problems post, I was expecting to see sick plants... THose are FAR from ill; they look EXCELLENT. The yellowng of an occasional lower leaf like the one shown is normal, especially if it is not getting a lot of light through a dense, healthy upper canopy.
But the fact that your runoff water was ass-nasty says you were ready for a preventative flush anyway. My grow-shop guy had me LICKING potting soil recently to check for metallic/salty taste... and sure enough, it was noticeable. Hahaha.
I hope you remembered the last step, which is to weakly feed immediately after the flush?
Your 'lookout' is adorable.

cwesto
12-07-2007, 10:55 PM
Holy shit SA is on my log. WOOHOO

I kno he is isnt he:D Hes my viscious land weasel lol, actually hes more of a cuddly fat sausage link size fur ball HA

Yea thats awsome advice about the weak feeding, should u feed right after u get done flushing?? or treat the flushing like a normal watering then feed next time she is dry???

Also r u saying that licking soil is a good way to see if u need a flush??

klondike_bar
12-07-2007, 11:06 PM
danmmmmmmm....i want a weasel/ferret !

cwesto
12-08-2007, 01:23 AM
Yea theyre pretty COOO, hes the official gaurdian of my garden, even tho he is not allowd in the garden HAHA

HickSS
12-08-2007, 03:11 AM
Damn man, thats awesome to see the progress from day 1 to where your at now. I cant imagine your feeling of looking at that everyday, lol. This is my first thread for growing that ive looked at and its definatly got me intrigued. Very cool stuff and keep up the great work from what it sounds like, lol.:jointsmile:

cwesto
12-08-2007, 11:33 PM
Ok, so i have been trying to sex my garden the last couple of day. 2 females have exposed their fufu's to me a couple of days ago, and i was hoping to see more exposed in recent days.... However Im about 85% that there will be no more fine young ladies,, in fact im pretty sure the other 4 plants in my garden are all horny young men looking to polinate my females :mad:

Like i sadi i am only about 85%, so it is not for sure yet. One of the apparent males has been taken out of the closet, the others, which i dont see any 100% male formation are still veg'ing, i pray to god one more of them decides to get some hairs. Oh well tho i took 3 clones from one of my ladies the other day and i think they are all doing fine :thumbsup::thumbsup: so hope fully i will have 2 fruitfull ladies, and then i think im going to bloom my clones probably as soon as they root, so harvest is pretty close in time.

This makes only 25% or my original garden female :wtf: I dont get it, i thought i was gonna get at least 50%.... i kno its not guarenteed but come on 25%?? 2 of the original 8 were taken out only after 2 weeks veg, b/c they were forming males flowers already??

Is there any reason anyone can think of for my garden producing such bad percentages?? or blooming those 2 so males so long before the rest??? could i have overstressed them into blooming male?? light eaks?? what can cause this situation i now find myself in??

I want to make sure that if i did something wrong it does not happen again:thumbsup:

Oh well, im gonna do my best to make some grade A Savanna lemonade from these lemons

cwesto
12-09-2007, 01:23 AM
Well im looking at one of my 2 females and im pretty sure one is hermi :thumbsup:

Im never growing again

Skrappie
12-09-2007, 01:38 AM
A hermi girl is really not the end of the world i promise. If you can manage its stress, and the male parts stay under control, you can still have smokable product. Yes its inconvent picking 20 or so seeds out of an ounce, but i promise, its better then not having pot. I say pick the nanners and wait it out.

Don't give up the hobby dude! Sometimes herms are all in the seed. your plants looked healthy to me, im no expert, but i don't think it was user error that made such a bad ratio for you

cwesto
12-09-2007, 01:54 AM
Yea for sure that what im thinking too, what kind off error could cause this piss poor ratio tho??

No, im not quiting, ill just cry for a day or 2... maybee ill feel better after i do:(

hydrocannabis
12-09-2007, 04:23 AM
just wow woha wow.
looks like U have mad akills also.

:thumbsup:

cwesto
12-09-2007, 05:09 AM
just wow woha wow.
looks like U have mad akills also.

:thumbsup:

Is that a joke??? Sorry, I'm not laughing.

hydrocannabis
12-09-2007, 05:49 AM
oops I ment to say. U have mad growing skills.

I must have been so stoned when I wrote that.
so sorry it came out wrong.

cwesto
12-09-2007, 06:47 AM
its all good hydro, I mispell when I am sober. Im just a lil upset about the horrible ratio of my garden, sorry bro.

Its not the end of the world, i was just expecting a lil more than 25% females.

norkali
12-09-2007, 06:57 AM
Hey man, sorry to hear about the hermi! :(

I did it too! I seeded my whole first crop with seeds. Have the pods popped yet? If not, carefully pick em' off! As Weedhound will tell ya, Dutch Master "Reverse" is specifically for preventing hermi's. It's supposed to work great too.

Don't give it up man. Practice makes perfect. Every mistake that I have made growing, I have used to my advantage. I study what I have been doing wrong and learn from it.

And Cwesto, in my opinion, you have done a damn good job for your second grow. :thumbsup: Keep the growin' goin' man.

cwesto
12-09-2007, 07:44 AM
I was getting so excited to start seeing buds some of these, back left plant especially.. that seed was given to me by a friend, who said the weed he got it from was some of the best he had ever smoked. It would have been a refreshing little suprise if it had been a girl. :(

The front plant i tried to practice "bending over" some of the branches to get some practice for a possible future super croping, or at least my ideas of what super croping is :thumbsup:

Tried to makes some use out of the males, at least i learned a little.

Im gonna go take them out of their pots now, and check out how the roots look.

PS there is only 3 in the pic because im not 100% male on the 4th which is still in the cab for now.

hydrocannabis
12-09-2007, 07:51 AM
:(
U R so right. at least U did learned a little more about LSTing.

thats how I think when I use to get a crappy harvest. I was like well at least I learned a little more bout growing which is great to know.

well wish U good luck on the females U do or will have.

cwesto
12-09-2007, 07:55 AM
Thanks all.:)

Norkali what is the purpose for this "Reverse" product? I dont get it, does it turn hermies back into girls??

Algag
12-09-2007, 05:23 PM
At least you got one good female for clones, not so much a loss at all.

norkali
12-09-2007, 07:12 PM
Cwesto, it is for preventing hermi's. (For your next grow, this will for sure help you with m/f/h ratios) I believe that you spray it on the 1st and 3rd weeks of flowering to ensure that no male pods grow on the plant. No male pods = no hermi's.

You know what would be an interesting experiment?

Spray Dutch master Reverse all over a male plant. What would happen? A seemingly sex-less plant? Hmmmm.....:wtf:

cwesto
12-10-2007, 01:55 AM
Cwesto, it is for preventing hermi's. (For your next grow, this will for sure help you with m/f/h ratios) I believe that you spray it on the 1st and 3rd weeks of flowering to ensure that no male pods grow on the plant. No male pods = no hermi's.

You know what would be an interesting experiment?

Spray Dutch master Reverse all over a male plant. What would happen? A seemingly sex-less plant? Hmmmm.....:wtf:

It will only be one week tomorow into bloom, and i already have to make a trip to the gardening store to get some 5 gal. pots and some more soil for the upcoming transplant.. maybee ill check out that reverse too :thumbsup:

Yea i looked at my plant a sec ago and foung a couple more lil male flowers.. it seems like on the herm there are branches that are all fem flowers, then only a couple branches w/ a couple male flowers... just an observation:smokin: im pretty high right now

norkali
12-18-2007, 08:08 AM
How's it been Cwesto?

cwesto
12-21-2007, 01:12 AM
Yea sorry about that Norkali, ive been spending the last week or two in the plant problems section trying to cure my plant. Who has been suffering lately.

Havent really had the time or motivation to post on my log.

Hopefully if i get some improvement i will have something new.

Ps urs look good, good job:thumbsup:

cwesto
12-29-2007, 02:42 AM
Hey could someone help me out here.... I cant post any pictures on here, it says my account doesnt have permission??? But i can post a normal quick post whats up with that???

cwesto
12-29-2007, 06:17 AM
Here are some pics, all of them are of my one plant really. The other plant doesnt seem to be producing like the good one, i think its just F'd. U can see it there in picture three.

Im excited for my one plant tho it still has like 4 weeks left.:thumbsup:

hydrocannabis
12-29-2007, 06:50 AM
damm that looks real good.

cwesto
12-29-2007, 10:50 PM
Pic 1 - She is my pride and joy. ;)

Pic 2-5 - She is my problem plant, but i still love here. There a couple pics of the messed up fan leaves on this lil girl. :wtf:

cwesto
01-02-2008, 02:32 AM
Starting to get some noticable trichs goin here, looking mighty fine if i do say so myself...

Ive beeb watering lately with 2 1/2 tsp TigerBloom, 1/2 tsp GroBig, and 1/2 tsp BeastyBloomz. Input is extremely welcome and appreciated.

Very happy new years to all

zebulon
01-02-2008, 03:12 AM
Happy new year !!!
Looking real nice Cwesto...:thumbsup:...
i think the buds will start to gain more mass in the next weeks...how many weeks are left??

cwesto
01-02-2008, 03:16 AM
4 weeks left Zeb... Happy new year to u too

cwesto
01-03-2008, 07:51 AM
So that is my size 12 flipflop, and those r my buds

smokenss
01-04-2008, 12:38 AM
thats main cola looks bloody gr8 :thumbsup:.



:smokin:ss

cwesto
01-04-2008, 11:28 PM
thats main cola looks bloody gr8 :thumbsup:.



:smokin:ss

Thanks ness. According to my calender i only have about 3 1/2 weeks until harvest, I do plan on getting a magnifying glass, and plan on harvesting as soon as i see some amber trichs start appearing. I read somewhere that when the trichs are mostly milky the high is more "up and talkative" for lack of better words.... this is what i want;)

zebulon
01-05-2008, 03:34 PM
I do plan on getting a magnifying glass, and plan on harvesting as soon as i see some amber trichs start appearing.

That is a real good plan, bcuz in 3 1/2 weeks i don't think that it will be ready for harvest...
This is the best part, when the plants start to ripen...:jointsmile:

cwesto
01-05-2008, 11:26 PM
Yea, well the website i bought em from said that they will be ready for harvest in 8-9 weeks so that is just sort of the relative timeline i benn looking at u kno

norkali
01-06-2008, 01:01 AM
Cwesto! Nice my man! Get that magnifying glass.....I've been peeking through mine for about a week now.

.....It's easy to get "stuck" in your grow space, peeking at all of the lovely trichomes.

Looking awesome.

cwesto
01-06-2008, 06:21 AM
Norkali, I get caught in there daily just looking at the plant.. let alone trichs

What magnification do u suggest??? and where do u suggest i look for one at??

Opie Yutts
01-06-2008, 11:47 PM
I don't know why I haven't seen your log before. Sorry, I would have liked to follow from the beginning.

I would suggest a trip to radio shack. There you can find a 30x (3 loop) glass, and a pocket microscope. I would get both, and the total should be under $25. With the microscope you can get 60 to 100x I think, and it has a light. Sometimes it is hard to focus in at that size, so I like to look in my 3 loop glass too. I also like to lay a flashlight right beside the bud I'm looking at. 30x is about as low as you can go and really see the color of triches well. As for where to look, try a couple spots at the top, middle and bottom of the plant. Some people harvest only the ripest and let the others ripen longer.

Opie Yutts
01-06-2008, 11:50 PM
PS. Cool sig. It usually starts in my teeth.

zebulon
01-07-2008, 01:27 AM
Looking at the trichs through a magnifying glass is real fun....
i used to look at the trichs for hours, just sit and drool...:eek:..it's another world..:jointsmile:

Opie Yutts
01-07-2008, 01:58 AM
I know what you mean. I would like to get a real nice macro camera and do a bunch of trichome photography. Compare different highs at different stages and document it with photos.

cwesto
01-07-2008, 06:48 AM
Yea Opie u probably missed the log b/c of the extremely boring name i gave it... lol "2nd Grow" isnt the most exciting title..... I woulda thought of something better at the time had i realized this log would have turned into my life LOL.... no really, this log IS my life :stoned:

cwesto
01-08-2008, 05:16 PM
Woke up went to water..... There is naners all over my good plant. Yea 2 plants, 1 good, 1 bad. I barely ever take pics of the bad one its so sorry... now my good plant, the one with fatty buds now looks like a damn banana plantation.........

Its most likely my fault for stresinger her .. but ill still never buy another seed from the place i bout these, they have given me nothing but greif

I dont know what to do, chope her now, or just pick alot of naners for the next 30 or so days.... anyone who has ever been in this predicament, i would love to hear what u did abuot the prob..

Heres some pick of the infected specimen :weedpoke:

stinkyattic
01-08-2008, 05:19 PM
If you've just got the one herm plant, can you finish it elsewhere, well away from your flower room?

Maverick223
01-08-2008, 05:23 PM
hell yeah, Nice buds man!

cwesto
01-08-2008, 05:24 PM
If you've just got the one herm plant, can you finish it elsewhere, well away from your flower room?

U mean finish the herm plant in another room?? y?? i dont get it

cwesto
01-08-2008, 05:27 PM
I wish my 400th post woulda been on a better note.. haha oh well maybee 500 will be a good one

cwesto
01-09-2008, 01:52 AM
So i decided today when i woke up that i needed to take my plant down, I found a whole bunch of male flowers on her completely out of the blue. I just hope i can still smoke my plant.. but i think i may not be able too.

After i got done triming it all up i weighed the big kola out of curiousiity, i know its still wet, but whatever. I weighed 33g, i thought that was pretty cool. Itd be a shame to see that 33 gram kola go to waste and be unsmokable

Anyways here some pics from this morning

cwesto
01-09-2008, 02:45 AM
So i decided today when i woke up that i needed to take my plant down, I found a whole bunch of male flowers on her completely out of the blue. I just hope i can still smoke my plant.. but i think i may not be able too, since she was only 37 days into bloom and all of her male traits..

After i got done triming it all up i weighed the big kola out of curiousiity, i know its still wet, but whatever. I weighed 33g, i thought that was pretty cool. Itd be a shame to see that 33 gram kola go to waste and be unsmokable... can only imagine what they would have looked like in 3 more weeks:(

Anyways here some pics from this morning

Opie Yutts
01-09-2008, 04:22 AM
Real nice. So much better. Just think how good your 3rd grow will be. Those are some nice fat colas. Sorry about the hermie, but depending on the variety you can still get nice and high from it. Just watch out for popping seeds in the bowl. At least you could make hash from it, but that takes a bunch of time.

Opie Yutts
01-09-2008, 04:23 AM
Still can't rep ya.

cwesto
01-09-2008, 07:19 AM
Opie, they are still so premature tho, do u think they will be smokeable 3 and a half weeks befor schedule??

Also this is sort of a strange Q, but my weed that was freshly cut smells kinda funny, not like weed that is for sure. It sort of smells like flowers, u know like yard flowers.. has anyone had this experience or heard of neone having this happen?? Maybee its still just wet i dunno

Also i was wondering if nebody has any suggestions on how llong to cure for, b4 i touch it... if it is smokeable that is

cwesto
01-09-2008, 07:21 AM
Still can't rep ya.

Ok..

Opie Yutts
01-16-2008, 12:28 AM
It should be smokable 3 weeks early, it just will be a different kind of high. More able to think, and move, less like a "fallen and can't get up" high. Any time you see trichomes you should be able to get somewhat high. I like to wait until I see about 10% amber trichs.

Each weed has it's own special scent. Flowers is fine. Sounds even much better than some other smells from weed.

Dry until the stems crack when bent (4-7 days). Cure for 6 months or more. The more the better if all the moisture is out. Or don't cure at all. It will probably just not be as smooth and tasty, but it will get you high.

hydrocannabis
01-16-2008, 02:19 AM
holy hell! what kind of light did U flower her under. just worndering.

I would say U did a great job.

cwesto
01-19-2008, 09:29 AM
It should be smokable 3 weeks early, it just will be a different kind of high. More able to think, and move, less like a "fallen and can't get up" high. Any time you see trichomes you should be able to get somewhat high. I like to wait until I see about 10% amber trichs.

Each weed has it's own special scent. Flowers is fine. Sounds even much better than some other smells from weed.

Dry until the stems crack when bent (4-7 days). Cure for 6 months or more. The more the better if all the moisture is out. Or don't cure at all. It will probably just not be as smooth and tasty, but it will get you high.

Yea, I am currently cureing the pre-mature hermy bud, I have smoked it a couple of times. It has a weird taste and a very weak and strang high.. so far. I think I am going to use this stuff to mix with, when i have some good chronic.


holy hell! what kind of light did U flower her under. just worndering.

I would say U did a great job.

Thanks alot :).. That plant was veg's under a 400w MH and the bloom'd under a 400w HPS, I wonder what it would have looked like 3 weeks later when it was supposed to be done. I had to cut her down early b/c she had a hermy problem..

cwesto
01-19-2008, 09:34 AM
I have one other plant in bloom right now, I havent been posting any new pics tho b/c i have been spending all my time lately researching and getting ready for my next grow (updating gorw room, etc. etc.), and a new semester of school. I will for sure post pics tho when she is harvested.

Ill start regularly posting again when my new grow is started most likely around the beggining of February. So dont go away now.

Opie Yutts
01-19-2008, 10:04 AM
OK, I'll be here. Waiting to hear about the update and see the harvest pics.

cwesto
01-22-2008, 08:25 AM
Cut down the second plant, this was was straight female, not shemale. It looked like some of the calyxs on the top of one of the colas were starting to get brown and crispi so, i figured it was time to cut her down. She was a very stressed plant because of constant Ph abuse, so im not expecting too much from her, but she does got THC so hopefully she at least smokes.

Heres a couple pics of my buds in my homeade dryer and a couple pics through my 8x loupe.:jointsmile:

cwesto
01-22-2008, 08:30 AM
Sorry i forgot the pics lol. here u go, the loupe pics look different b/c they were under diff light:thumbsup:

cwesto
01-22-2008, 08:39 AM
Sorry i forgot the pics lol. here u go, the loupe pics look different b/c they were under diff light:thumbsup:

Opie Yutts
01-22-2008, 09:08 PM
It looked like some of the calyxs on the top of one of the colas were starting to get brown and crispi so, i figured it was time to cut her down.

Did you look at trichomes too? You know going by hairs alone is not a reliable method of determining when to harvest. I couldn't really tell if they were cloudy or what from the photos.

SnSstealth
01-22-2008, 10:38 PM
sweet man, overgrow the plante!!! heh.....im using almost the exact same set up....papertowel method....using jack herer x bubbleberry, accidental crosses rock! using all the fox farm goodies, but running all LED light. 3 procyon 100s
let us know when ya got pics!

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cwesto
01-23-2008, 03:51 AM
Did you look at trichomes too? You know going by hairs alone is not a reliable method of determining when to harvest. I couldn't really tell if they were cloudy or what from the photos.

I know, the reason i cut her down was b/c the top of the kola looked like it was dying and i thought it was going to spread down... so i made an executive decision and, cut.

cwesto
01-24-2008, 11:59 PM
Well, the last plant has been drying for about 4 days now, i think its gettin pretty close, the sticks dont quite snap yet, but i think theyre still pretty close. Im on my way over to a buddies to test a sample.... everyone wish me luck and i will soon return with a smoke report.

Remember this product has not been cured at all so the smoke report may not be the best , i am simply hoping to geta buzz from my dead lil girl.:thumbsup:

zebulon
01-25-2008, 12:19 AM
Good luck Cwesto....and nice work :thumbsup:

cwesto
01-25-2008, 08:33 AM
Thanks Zeb,

Well the test smoke went pretty good, we smoked 3 bowls then a joint. The weed tasted kinda funky, but it got us high. The high wasnt particularly great or nething, but it was ok. The joint and bowls however seemed to have a little bit of trouble staying lit, does this mean it could dry for like a day longer??

It gave me heady high, but the high wasnt too strong. maybee a good month or 2 curing will help the taste and potency. Oh well maybee the next one will be better.

cwesto
01-25-2008, 08:36 AM
Now for my next grow Im not sure wheather i should stick with the seeds i got or try a new strain.. the only reason i am aprehensive about picking up some new seeds is because they are so damn expensive. Anyone kno any places i can get maybee like a 5 pack of quality seeds for a descent price?

Opie Yutts
01-28-2008, 03:05 AM
kno any places i can get maybee like a 5 pack of quality seeds for a descent price?

Your buddies. Everywhere else is expensive. I like Marijuana Seeds (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide (http://www.kindseed.com)

cwesto
02-20-2008, 09:34 AM
Lets try this again.

This time around I have 7 plants. 3 are in/sat freebies, 2 bigbuds, 1 orange crush, 1 unknown bag.

I have put up some mylar to get the most out of my 400w MH/HPS and hope that will help. I also rigged up a drainage system out of a storage bin and some rod shelfing things, which should make the task of watering not so painful:thumbsup:.

Temps have been about 75-80F in the day times and 70-75 in the nights. I dont even have to run my heat at all in my room b/c the exaust fan blow sall of the hot air from the cool tube directly into my room, then my room is heated for the day and night until the light kicks back on in the morn:thumbsup: I think im probably spending less on heating my room with my light than i would be using with my houses heating system.... go figure huh:)

Nute wise, I plan on backing off of the foxfarm granuals this time, maybee i will just use a pinch here and there during mid fowering, but thats it. I think they burned the shit out of my plants last time. I still going to use the foxfarm 3-part, then some liquid karma, sweet, and some molasses:thumbsup: hopefully that will do the trick this time.

Here are the first pics

zebulon
02-20-2008, 01:37 PM
Wow Cwesto.... really nice setup you got this time...i think this will be a huge success....:thumbsup:
I'll be watching.....good luck...:thumbsup:

cwesto
02-21-2008, 05:15 AM
Thanks Zeb..

Im hoping this one goes good too. Im a little worried though right now, as my baby plants have seemed to slow down growth considerably, ans a couple plants havent even developed 3 finger leafs yet and are drooping.

I hope storing my seeds in the fridge didnt hurt them:wtf:

cwesto
02-22-2008, 02:50 AM
Here are some knew pics, u can see in the first pic and second, sone of the problem plants:weedpoke:, slow lil bastard dont get a going and their fix'n to get the trash bin... too bad, so sad. Im starting to think i shouldnt have stored those seeds in the fridge.

Today they were fed with:
1 tbls (15ml) Bigbloom
1 tsp (5ml) Growbig

I know that u arent supposed to fert for 2 weeks, but they were basically seedlings for a week. Why u ask, i have no clue, they just have been growing REALLY slow. So now day 8 + the week they were basically seedling, which some could probably still be considered = 2 weeks.

Also i fit in my nice oscilating ionic breeze, instead of that small white non-oscilating thing i had in there.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Opie Yutts
02-22-2008, 11:44 PM
People say two weeks until nutes, but it's not actually so much the time you should be concerned with, but the health. Careful. Watch for signs of nute burn.

cwesto
02-24-2008, 11:51 PM
Right on brotha-man Opie. I spent the weekend out of town up north, and just got home, so when i watered them about 10 minutes ago I only mixed 6ml Bigbloom this time, hopefully the back off will help growth.

pic 1 - some funky looking growth is goin on.

pic 2- The problemo plant has seemed to get a lil perk back since last time i saw her

pic 3 - The whole bunch

pic 4 - my 2 fav's

cloverkush
02-25-2008, 12:52 AM
do you ge that fox farm soil online?, if not what store?

cwesto
02-25-2008, 06:19 AM
u coulld get it online at a number of gardening/growing stores... i get mine at a local gardening center. Ill warn u right now that it is expensive, I pay 30$ a bag at my store. I also mix it at a 3:2 ratio with perlite b/c it is so expensive to make it last.

If u r going to look online for some just google it and u should be able to find some online places that offer it.

Also if u do get decide to use it remember that it is at least partially fortified, so u wont have to add any nutes for a while until ur plants use up all the nutes in the soil itself.

Opie Yutts
02-25-2008, 07:10 AM
I wonder if that weird growth is caused by a root touching some fertilizer in the soil.

chinacat443
02-25-2008, 06:36 PM
u coulld get it online at a number of gardening/growing stores... i get mine at a local gardening center. Ill warn u right now that it is expensive, I pay 30$ a bag at my store. I also mix it at a 3:2 ratio with perlite b/c it is so expensive to make it last.

If u r going to look online for some just google it and u should be able to find some online places that offer it.

Also if u do get decide to use it remember that it is at least partially fortified, so u wont have to add any nutes for a while until ur plants use up all the nutes in the soil itself.
you should check out "black gold" its cheap, organic, and better than FF.......

for 20 bucks you get a bag that looks less flashy than FF, works better........see the trend.

cwesto
02-25-2008, 09:27 PM
I wonder if that weird growth is caused by a root touching some fertilizer in the soil.

U mean a deposit of built up fert??


you should check out "black gold" its cheap, organic, and better than FF.......

for 20 bucks you get a bag that looks less flashy than FF, works better........see the trend.

Where do u get it at??? i have heard of it but havent seemed to locate it anywhere??

chinacat443
02-26-2008, 11:14 AM
i got mine at the "nearest" hydro store, but dude told me that they used to sell it everywhere on the east coast like 15 years ago, then there was an issue with the EPA due to its organic compound. so for a while you could only get it in cali...
ask around your local hydro shops, if they are knowledgeable, they will have it or know where to get it.

stinkyattic recommends a mix from agway, and we have an agway down the way from me so i had a buddy use the soil she recommended. it seems to be workin rather well also.....

cwesto
02-26-2008, 10:55 PM
i got mine at the "nearest" hydro store, but dude told me that they used to sell it everywhere on the east coast like 15 years ago, then there was an issue with the EPA due to its organic compound. so for a while you could only get it in cali...
ask around your local hydro shops, if they are knowledgeable, they will have it or know where to get it.

stinkyattic recommends a mix from agway, and we have an agway down the way from me so i had a buddy use the soil she recommended. it seems to be workin rather well also.....

Right on, yea my hydro store here has more nutes I have never heard of, but for some odd reason the only potting soil they sell is the ocean forrest. Im not exactly against the ocean forest execpt fo rthe price, but i am for sure not for it. I would love to find some black gold or agway somewhere.

Do u mix ur blackgold w/ anything besides perlite??

cwesto
02-26-2008, 11:02 PM
Ok, im not experienced at all w/ foliar, but i fgured id try it, this morn at 6AM when the lights came on mixed 1/2 tsp growbig to a gallon of tap. Obviously i only needed about 1/32 of that gallon, so the rest got the pitch, cause i dont like storing solutions (sounds like alot to risk).

Anyways i just got doen with classes for the day and back to my place. I cant really tell any obvious improvement from the plants, but i sure dont see them stressing it at all:thumbsup:

If neone experienced w/ foliar has any advice for me i would appreciate.

PS - Ill have soem new pics tomoro when my plants get thier normal feedings. So until tomoro.......:cool:

Opie Yutts
02-26-2008, 11:02 PM
U mean a deposit of built up fert?

Not built up ones, regular ones. You said your dirt is at least partially fortified so I assume that means there are actual little pieces of fertilizer in there. If not, sorry and forget it.

Opie Yutts
02-26-2008, 11:06 PM
Ok, im not experienced at all w/ foliar... If neone experienced w/ foliar has any advice for me i would appreciate.

Did you see my new and amazingly wonderful thread? http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/149735-foliar-feeding-liquid-light-part-two-reckoning.html

cwesto
02-26-2008, 11:10 PM
If u guys look back a few posts ull see a pic, of a plant with some prettty strange looking grwoth on em, almost round leaves. Anyways when i was foliar'n it up today I noticed that that plant seems to have burned out its main gro tip and reverted it auxins to some newly developing side branch grow tips. These new grow tips already have pretty big leaves. Ill try to get a good pic tomoro when i get my "Ansel Adams" on.

Also has neone else had anything like this happen?? Its almost as if the plant said "fuk the main grow tip lets focus on the sides." lol oh well, the new growth looks healthy so im not relly worried.:jointsmile::hippy:

cwesto
02-26-2008, 11:16 PM
Not built up ones, regular ones. You said your dirt is at least partially fortified so I assume that means there are actual little pieces of fertilizer in there. If not, sorry and forget it.

I could be wrong, but from what i have heard Ocean Forrest is somewhat fortified, so i see what ur saying now. If I am incorrect about that fact tho, than im not too sure what goin on.

Look down at my post title "Observation" its got a lil tidbit about that plant and what it doin now:thumbsup:


Did you see my new and amazingly wonderful thread? http://boards.cannabis.com/basic-growing/149735-foliar-feeding-liquid-light-part-two-reckoning.html

No i didnt, but trust me im preparing to dive into it as we speak.

Thanks Opie u always got the good words. Hey u should check out my buddies grolog, hes my brothers friends, real stand up guy. Hes a NOOB on his first seedling that could use some pointers. Anyways if ur interested his name is "theworldisyour" i believe and his log is called "first gro: Need help." Anyways i told him that ur's and Stinky's words should be taken to the bank:thumbsup:

cwesto
02-27-2008, 11:41 AM
Im still sort of scratching my head as to why these plants are growing so much slower than my last batch of the same seeds. I cant quite put my thumb on what has been altered from my last grow, or what could be causing this dilema:wtf:

This morning the babies ate:
15 ml BigBloom
6 ml GrowBig
5 ml Liquid Karma

pic 1 - the whole batch
pic 2 - the plant w/ the strange leaves. You can see this plant has seemed to focus growth on side branches.
pic 3 - The largest 2
pic 4 - some others

cwesto
02-27-2008, 09:55 PM
I have notices on the plant w/ wierd growth that the main growtip has also seemed to bend itself sideways and there it sits, its like it just bent over and died right there, kinda strange:stoned:

Opie Yutts
02-27-2008, 10:45 PM
Thanks for the faith in stinky and I. It is appreciated.

Normally when just the tips get yellow or brown it is from nute burn, which could also be causing the weird growth. Can you tell me how many PPM total you are feeding them, excluding what's already in the soil? I get that on mine when I experiment with maximum PPM. A tiny bit is OK, but not if it stops the leaf from developing.

cwesto
02-28-2008, 08:31 AM
Opie, Im havent the slightest clue what my ppm is, i only bought a ph pen like 3 weeks ago.

Jerry Garcia 2007
02-28-2008, 09:19 AM
Cwesto,
I have read the last page and 1/2 and have a coulple of questions.

Those are fairly large pots for seedlings, how often are you watering? Do you alternate nute formulated water and plane water?

From what I am reading you are loving your plants to a slow death. (Nutes to early, possiable overwatering, nutes to often.)

I would try to do a ph adjusted flush ( water adjusted to a ph of 6 ) Flush each pot with a qt. min of adjusted water. Then just let them sit for a week or untill the soil starts to dry out then use plane water again or mild nute solution.

chinacat443
02-28-2008, 07:45 PM
i didnt mix the black gold with anything as per the instruction of the dudeman.
as per foliar feeding, i use the same stuff i water my plants with as soon as the lights go on, and about half way through "day" time.

quick ??
is is better to water when the lights go on, or when they go off......

Opie Yutts
02-28-2008, 08:17 PM
Answer: Neither. It's an old wives tale, but most say you should water as soon as lights come on. Why? Nobody can tell me. They say you just should. You will never ever convince me until I see a side by side with at least 10 plants each.

Like Jerry and Opie have suggested, I'm pretty sure you're giving them too much to eat. If you have a ppm pen then you can tell me what I asked. Next time you mix up a batch of food stick your ppm first in your plain water, and then in the mixture. Let me know both numbers, and how often you are feeding. Oops, just reread, you said PH pen. Oh well, If you don't want to get something to measure PPM, then you need to be real careful when feeding, making sure you feed much less at first than you think you should. Slowly build up until you see the first signs of nute burn, which you already have. Jerry brings up watering and I don't know how you are doing there, but you should be watering only when the soil has almost completely dried out at the bottom of the pot. You can stick your finger down there or buy a $5 moisture meter. When I stick mine to the bottom and the needle nearly stays still, I know it's time. After doing that a few times, you'll just know about when to water based on the weight of the container and how much dirt has pulled away from the edges of the container.

If I remember correctly you said you mixed your dirt with some vast quantity of perlite. Perlite is good, and should be mixed into most soil IMO, but you usually want to put in about 20 or 30%. More is OK, but you'll need to check for watering more often.

PS, You have the honer of my only hit-free post of the day, so I'm hoping it made some sense. Time to fire up.

cwesto
02-28-2008, 11:37 PM
Opster, I used 3:2 ratio for perlite, which is 33.333%, so i think im good.

As for nute burn, i dont think i haven any signs of that, if u saw some please point them out. But i didnt see any stressed leaves (except the "special" plant) or burning tips, is thhere any other sign???

Also back to the nutes, i havent even used my stuff at full strength yet, actuakky i havent used any of my nutes more than half strength yet, so I personally dont think i am burning anything here.

Watering: Usually once every 3 days, when I am confident that the pot is light enough...

And yea i cant buy a ppm pen or a moisture meter, because i only have 55$ to me name as of current. :(

cwesto
02-28-2008, 11:51 PM
Cwesto,
I have read the last page and 1/2 and have a coulple of questions.

Those are fairly large pots for seedlings, how often are you watering? Do you alternate nute formulated water and plane water?

From what I am reading you are loving your plants to a slow death. (Nutes to early, possiable overwatering, nutes to often.)

I would try to do a ph adjusted flush ( water adjusted to a ph of 6 ) Flush each pot with a qt. min of adjusted water. Then just let them sit for a week or untill the soil starts to dry out then use plane water again or mild nute solution.

Yea they are 2 gallon pots, but ive seen beauties grow from seed in 5 gal's

I only water once every 3 days.

Ur thiking a flush w/ 1 qt. ph'd water.. U thik i really need to go there??

Jerry Garcia 2007
02-29-2008, 12:57 AM
Cwesto,

Yes I would do a flush to basically start from a clean slate nute wise, plus this will flush out any salts.

When I water, I alternate nuted water and plane water as stated on the FF feeding chart. I use 5 gallon buckets and use 1 gallon per bucket and let excess drain out bottom using water or nuted water every 5 days or more, depending on stage of growth. Since you are using 2 gallon buckets use around 48 oz. per plant. This may have been your problem in your first grow.

BOL.

chinacat443
02-29-2008, 02:11 AM
Opster, I used 3:2 ratio for perlite, which is 33.333%, so i think im good.

As for nute burn, i dont think i haven any signs of that, if u saw some please point them out. But i didnt see any stressed leaves (except the "special" plant) or burning tips, is thhere any other sign???

Also back to the nutes, i havent even used my stuff at full strength yet, actuakky i havent used any of my nutes more than half strength yet, so I personally dont think i am burning anything here.

Watering: Usually once every 3 days, when I am confident that the pot is light enough...

And yea i cant buy a ppm pen or a moisture meter, because i only have 55$ to me name as of current. :(
thats 40% ............
3 parts dirt and 2 parts perlite.....

cwesto
02-29-2008, 04:34 AM
Gotchya. well i guess im a lil off on the ratio. The last couple of days i think they have been doing better. I think im going to push back there next watering 1-2 days and see if that helps. I dont want to have to flush if i dont have too. If that doesnt help more i will probably flush

Jerry Garcia 2007
02-29-2008, 10:55 AM
That's fine increaseing time between waterings. But I do highly recommend going to a watering routine similar to what I do. I was having similar issues as you were in your first grow and adopting this plan solved all my problems and am producing great quality buds. Check my results at 2nd grow from cloans and thcb seeds.

chinacat443
02-29-2008, 01:49 PM
not for nothin, but i water my lil bitches EVERY day.
and i go back and forth with nutes one day and this soil ecolizer the next. the soil is dry when the lights go on and i water, then leave them till the next day when lights go on. sometimes if the soil in say one or 2 looks rather moist still, i let them go another day, but i always make sure i dont break the cycle of feed, and ecolize.

as per stress, ive had much success with FIM'ing, LST'ing, and repotting all in one day, and the plants never so much as skipped a beat. the only thing i noticed is that the side growth drastically improved, but i think thats becuase they not growing up from the FIM.

c.cat

cwesto
02-29-2008, 08:36 PM
That's fine increaseing time between waterings. But I do highly recommend going to a watering routine similar to what I do. I was having similar issues as you were in your first grow and adopting this plan solved all my problems and am producing great quality buds. Check my results at 2nd grow from cloans and thcb seeds.

Jer,I looked through ur log, ur plants are tight:thumbsup: but I didnt see any watering routine, I may have missed it, but can u give me a quick breakdown of it??

Jerry Garcia 2007
02-29-2008, 09:45 PM
Cwesto,

First off I follow the FF feeding chart to the Tee. Only alterations are 1 tsp. ph down per gallon due to my tap ph is 7 and after adding nutes it jumps to 7.5 to hot for MJ plants. The ph down brings it to a ph of 6.5 perfect for MJ plants. Then in flowering I add 1 Tbls. of mollasses and again adjust ph to 6.5 usually 1.5 tsp. of ph down. I also adjust my plane water to a ph of 6.5 for stability of the soil ph.

When I water I do it in the bathtub as you can see in my pics. The reason I do this is when I water I use an entire gallon of water or nute mix per plant and let any excess drain out the bottom. This ensures nutes are getting to the entire root system, then the plane water watering washes away any salts and excess nutes from the previous watering.

Time between waterings varies depending on pot size and plant size. I go by bucket weight in the earl stages of growth then in flowering I can tell by the fan leaves when watering is needed. I do this by looking at the fan leaves at the very top of the cola, when the plant is happy and well watered these leaves are at like a 75 deg angle from horizontal or appear like reaching for the light. When watering is needed these leaves will start to go to the horizontal position. I learned this from experience and using a moisture pen untill I put 2 and 2 together and no longer needed the pen. I recommend you do the same untill you get the feel of it.

You can use any alterations to the nutes you wish but the key points are maintain a constant watering ph of 6.5 and alternate between plane water and nute mix for watering.

cwesto
03-01-2008, 08:59 AM
Jerry, I dont think the FF soil chart says to add nutes every other watering.... does it say this on the paper chart or the bottle??

Jerry Garcia 2007
03-01-2008, 09:47 AM
Cwesto,

I looked at mine and it states in the lower left corner 2nd bullet point " For best results feed with every other watering" Also on the right is a big red bar that states the samething.
Here is a pic of my chart.

Opie Yutts
03-01-2008, 09:41 PM
Notice in the upper right corner it says that these programs are starting points...

Some plants can't handle over 500 ppm, and others want 1500.

Oops, I see that I grabbed the wrong chart. The soil one is on my laptop I guess. Anyway, this is the chart I basically go by for my soil girls too.

cwesto
03-01-2008, 11:07 PM
Cwesto,

I looked at mine and it states in the lower left corner 2nd bullet point " For best results feed with every other watering" Also on the right is a big red bar that states the samething.
Here is a pic of my chart.

Yea I am going to alternate now for sure, hopefully my predicament gets better. Jerry, do u see how it also says "feed with every other watering" above the granual parrt of the chart?? I thought that meant only w/ the granuals b/c it was right above them, but know i understand it means for all the nutes, liquid and granual. Ur a lifesaver dude. Also i should have some new pics either tomorow or the day after depepnding on which day i decide to water.


Notice in the upper right corner it says that these programs are starting points...

Some plants can't handle over 500 ppm, and others want 1500.

Oops, I see that I grabbed the wrong chart. The soil one is on my laptop I guess. Anyway, this is the chart I basically go by for my soil girls too.

Opie, do u have any good ideas on where i may look for a economy priced ppm meter??

Opie Yutts
03-02-2008, 01:42 AM
Well there's always eBay or Nextag I think it is, where they find a product then compare prices from different retailers (also shopping.com?). Other than that you would just have to call around or browse the web for different grow stores. I think I got a fairly cheap one at American Agriculture. If you could find their web site...? I think it was <$60. They usually have "lower priced" stuff than most competition. I would steer clear of the low end Hannas. I think mine is Control Wizard.

cwesto
03-04-2008, 04:57 AM
I water'd the plants today w/ just a drop of superthive to a gallon of rested tap at 6am when th elights came on. Here are pics from tonight about 10 minutes befor the lights go out

Next time I water them will probably be close to full strength

b0n3ZA
03-04-2008, 06:58 AM
That is one weird looking plant.

zebulon
03-04-2008, 01:18 PM
Hey Cwesto...the plants look good...they seem to have recovered...:thumbsup:

cwesto
03-05-2008, 11:25 PM
That is one weird looking plant.

I know it is pretty strange, the main shoot has seemed to burn out, all new growth is now on side shoots


Hey Cwesto...the plants look good...they seem to have recovered...:thumbsup:

Yea I think so also. I think it has to do with me starting to alternate feeding days with water only days. It even said to do it on the damn nute schedule, but i guess i just didnt see it.

Thatd be pretty bad if all my F'd up grows went the way they did b/c the grower didt read the instructions properly LOL

cwesto
03-06-2008, 07:57 AM
I attempted some foliar feeding tonight. I mixed 3ml Growbig and 3ml Liquid Karma to a gallon and used that to do the spraying. I plan on eventually getting a nice pump sprayer. I also wanted to get my hands on some of that liquid light by dutchmaster until i saw the price tag and was suddenly turned off by the idea, but i hear that stuff works wonders.

cwesto
03-06-2008, 10:51 PM
To combat my recent problem of overwatering I decided this morning to cut some more holes into my planters. I made sure to be very careful and think i only cut a few roots. Im hoping that this makes my soil dry out faster while at the same time getting more o2 to the root system.

I cut the holes at 6am when the lights came on and now at 6pm every one of the plants are looking refreshingly perky.:thumbsup:

ZZZZZZAAANNNGGGGG bitches:D

cwesto
03-08-2008, 05:56 AM
Decided to try and LST some of the bigger ones today. So here are some pics. Also the y got fed today

30 ml BigBloom
10 ml GrowBig
10 ml Liquid Karma to a gallon

Opie Yutts
03-13-2008, 08:37 PM
Looks good except for that bit o' yellowing on the bottom leaves. Probably a good time for food.

Good luck. I think I prefer topping to LST though.

cwesto
03-14-2008, 06:33 AM
Yea I just always been scared to cut the tops off my plants so i just LST.. why Opie do u prefer topping? is the yield difference that much bigger? And when do u start topping?

Opie Yutts
03-14-2008, 09:19 PM
After my last grow giving LST a try, I realize that it's easier to control the quantity and size of the buds by topping. I got 5 million buds by doing LST, and they were small and time consuming. If I top, I can control the number exactly. Now that I'm thinking about it, I guess you could too by LST if you cut some bud sites off, but that kinda defeats the purpose of LST.

I think the yield is roughly the same, you just won't get the big colas with LST. The more you have, the smaller they are.

You can start topping whenever you feel the plant can handle it. I usually wait until they have 5 or 6 good nodes, or after 2 or 3 weeks form the cloner, or 3 or 4 weeks from seed. Depending on the variety, you can pretty much count on getting two shoots from the one you cut off. For AK-47 this does not seem to slow the plants' growth one bit. It almost seems like they enjoy it.

cwesto
03-16-2008, 10:55 PM
Opie, I fed them with 2 tsp. growbig yesterday, then went out of town for St. Patricks day, anyways it looks like the yellowing is getting worse on some of the plants.. what should i do??

Also i think i have pests too, but i dont see any. Some of the leaves look like they have been nibbled on.

cwesto
03-17-2008, 12:32 AM
I may try topping next time, since u say u like it alot more. When I LST I try not to let the plants go too crazy, try for about 6-10 new shoots going, some only grow 3-4 new ones others grow more like 10-13. When i LST tho I dont bend down the new shoot to make even more new ones. What i do is bend over the whole plant when it has about 5-6 nodes, keeping the main tip down low, then when the new shoots start from the higher nodes I just try to keep everything even. I have seen people with like 30 tops per plant, thats way to much maintenance for me.

But on more time sensative issues, what do u think about my N def. problem?? I wanna get this figured out b/c I want to force flowering in something around 1-2 weeks from now.:thumbsup:

zebulon
03-24-2008, 01:56 AM
Hey Cwesto....any update?? How are the plants??

cwesto
03-24-2008, 07:05 AM
Zeb, for sure, i have been lackin a wee bit on that aspect. I have been swamped with exams for business school, it always seems like all my classes schedule exams for the same week. U know how it goes.

Anyways the plants have been good, they recently recovered from a N deficieny and are sleeping soundly as we speak, i just tucked them in. There is 1 plant that has shown female pre-flowers and 1 that has shown male pre-flowers, the other five have yet to show.... Ummmmmmm all of my 4 LST'd plants are really starting to explode with new grow spots and the 2 that have had no training are doing well. If u have seen the slow grower out of my bunch, he is still going pretty slow but i still love him. The plant that had stopped growing from its main tip 9(orange crush) has recently erupted and now has i think 5 tips, its by far one of my favorite plants, dont tell the brothers and sisters.

But a buddy just cam over and we're gonna get :stoned:, so ill ttyl. And ill try and get some new pics up tomorow after my exam.:thumbsup:

cwesto
03-25-2008, 03:27 AM
Here are some new pics, sorry it took a while to anybody watching, Ive recently been swamped at business school and havent had the time to give my garden the attention it deserves... BUT tomoro is my last exam for a couple of weeks so i should be able to spend some quality time with my garden and all of u out there in cannabis land:) Ummmmmm.. I recently changed my feeding schedule from nutes every watering to nutes 2 out of 3 watering, the third being simply H2o. It seems to have helped alot, I think it is the perfect schedule, at least it is for me.

Lately the feeding have been looking like this:
30 ml BigBloom
10 ml GrowBig
5 ml Liquid Karma

What else is new in the Gardeeeny, you ask??? Well settle down now and stop foaming at the mouth so I can tell you, LOL. I plan on forcing bloom pretty soon here, as soon as the new branches from the rest of the plants get as big as the orange crush plant we will be good for launch. Another of the plants has shown what i believe to be a fem pre-flower, not sure tho it is like JUST starting to form. Also, on more a bummer of a note, I ordered some PPP and some sensi star about a month ago..... I believe they were unfortunately intercepted by "Big Brother." I caled the boutique to see where my shipment was and they said that it was sent out about 3 weeks ago:(, dont think im gonna be seing those seeds. I know bologna, right...

Heres the pictures from today:
Pic 1 - The whole bunch.
Pic 2 - Side view.
Pic 3 - The Orange Crush plant. This is the one that stoped growing from the main tip and exploded on the sides. One of me fav's:thumbsup:
Pic 4 - This is one of my ind/sat mixes. This one is getting kinda tall (compared to it companions) and im not too sure what im gonna do about it yet...... As I gaize into my magic 8-ball I predict a pair of cissors chopping its head off in the near future. 2 times for yo motha fukin minds.
Pic 5 - This plant is an unknown strain, got the seed from a bag a chron-didly-don. Only seed in the bag, this seed was. Big hopes for this lil' one, extremely GOOD looking growth and healthy looking plant.

Shovelhandle
03-25-2008, 12:18 PM
Very nice, man. I grow in dirt and I feed every third watering in Veg and I feed, water, water + molasses when they're in bloom.

So, you're in bloom already? (I see the bloom nutes)

Shov

Opie Yutts
03-25-2008, 07:27 PM
Looks like they're recovering nicely. Yeah, you either need to feed in small quantities each time you water, or larger quantities about every other or 3rd time you water, with plain ol water only the other times. Otherwise you get salts build up and lockouts. It takes a bit of experimenting to find out what works best for your particular situation.

cwesto
03-26-2008, 03:13 AM
Very nice, man. I grow in dirt and I feed every third watering in Veg and I feed, water, water + molasses when they're in bloom.

So, you're in bloom already? (I see the bloom nutes)

Shov

The foxfarm feeding schedule i got with the nutes, call for the bigbloom during veg., as it is all nat-urall.. I believe it helps keep roots healthy too.


Looks like they're recovering nicely. Yeah, you either need to feed in small quantities each time you water, or larger quantities about every other or 3rd time you water, with plain ol water only the other times. Otherwise you get salts build up and lockouts. It takes a bit of experimenting to find out what works best for your particular situation.

Thanks Opie I think they are doing good now as well. They are really developing and i cant wait to throw them into flowering. Do you suggest I change something in my feeding schedule to avoid salt build up?? I was going about this schedule thinking that the straight h2o on every third feeding would act as a small flush, helping to avoid those problems... I dont know tho, please eniolighten if i am incorrect.

Opie Yutts
03-27-2008, 08:43 PM
A flush every third feeding should do the trick.

cwesto
03-28-2008, 01:24 AM
Opie, do you think you can go into a little more depth when you say "every third feeding."

I'm not sure if you mean an all out flush, as in 2-3x the volume of planter... Or "flush" as in, the normal amount of plain water, without nutes, needed for a normal feeding?

The later of the two is what I have been doing.

cwesto
03-28-2008, 03:37 AM
Today after I got out of class I did a little bit of "leveling" of the canopy. To do this I used hooks made out of coat hangers to level off each individual plants canopy, then I put things like books and such under the plants that are shorter than the others to try and get my canopy all flush with itself.

Also yesterday they got a feeding of:
35ml BigBloom
12ml GrowBig
5ml Liquid Karma
2 second drizzle of molasses
1 gallon rested tap water.

Here are the pictures from today, no individuals pics just group photos tonight.

cwesto
03-31-2008, 09:59 PM
Gonna make it quick as I am late to class.

Second day of bloom, just switched the HPS in for the MH out.

Todays feeding went like:
30ml BigBloom
5ml GrowBig
5ml TigerBloom
5ml Liquid Karma
5ml Sweet.

Heres a pic of the cab. :hippy: Enjoy now..:)

cwesto
04-02-2008, 09:21 PM
Today I thined out the cabinet. I got rid of 3 plants that were starting to show male flowers. Hopefully the females will like the extra living space. One of the 4 plants that remain in the cabinet has yet to show any flowers yet, but then again I am only 3 or 4 days into bloom, so there is no rush. When the last plant reveals its sex I will transplant them all from thier 2 gallon pots into 5 gallon pales.

cwesto
04-03-2008, 11:35 PM
Today was transplant day, and it reminded me that I REALLLLYYYY do not like transplanting.. It is not the act of puting a plant into a new pot and filling in the gap area, but everything I must do to transplant - mix up dirt and perlite, breathe in the perlite dust (dust bunnies in the throaght), and that shit. It took me like 3 hours but it needed to be done. Also, they were transplanted into MG organic pottin soil, and all 4 plants were fed 2 gallons of plain water, not per plant. Im not sure if it is the Nitrogen in the MG or the micoh's i sprinkled, but my cab. now smells like urine.... YUMMMMM

Also on a new note, I have a plant that has been experiencing "the claw", it has stopped clawing a little, but now has started making leaves that are the thinest things ive ever seen.... any ideas?? Is that normal??

zebulon
04-04-2008, 12:00 AM
Hey Cwesto...the plants look sexy...nice work whit the transplant...:thumbsup:
Which plants have become girls??

cwesto
04-04-2008, 01:06 AM
Hey Zeb, nice to see you and thanks for the complement.

Actually.... I dont know which plant is which anymore lol. I kinda messed up when I labeled them. See I was really :stoned: when I was labeling, and couldnt fins a permenant marker and was too lazy to find one, so I used a highlighter and my handeling of the pots has worn the highlighter rigth off the duct tape I wrote on..... If I had to make an educated guess I would say that the front and center plant is the ind/sat. hybrid's i got with my big buds; the left plant looks like a BigBud; the plant in the 2 gallon could be either BigBud or the hybrid, not too sure; the plant all the way on the right is 100% the orange crush. I kno because I remember she was the plant that had the strange growth early in veg.

Sorry the pics are kinda confusing to line up the plants with my description I just noticed.. let me clearify. The 2 gallon black planter is center back, going clockwise from the black planter, is right, then front and center, then left.. I hope that helps a little.

cwesto
04-09-2008, 07:07 PM
Day 11 of bloom, 57 of complete life. The plants are going through thier stretching phase right now, and im hoping they slow down. The 2 outside plants, which I believe to be BigBuds are stretching like crazy yo. The only problem is that the other 2 plants arent stretching at all.... so yea, kinda threw off the whole canopy, but i guess things could be much worse (knocking on wood as we speak).

Today they got fed:
40ml BigBloom
6.5ml TigerBloom
6ml Liquid Karma
7.5ml Sweet

Imtrying to put in no Nitrogen, because the MG Organic is fortified with slow release N, so I'm going to keep out all the N until I think they need it again.

PS - Sorry I forgot to rotate some of the pics befor putting them up, sooooo.... turn ur damn head sideways:D

cwesto
05-08-2008, 01:34 AM
Here are some updated pics. havent been on cannabis in ages it seems. One plant went hermy and is hanging out in the bathroom right now, another(the small one) just died so i smoked what i could off the plant. It actually got me pretty high for only being a month into bloom. The orange crush and the othe BB are doing great and i think the orange crush is getting very close

bombdiggity
05-08-2008, 01:55 AM
buds are looking really nice man. those buds look fat as hell!! way to go~

which one is which, by the way? I have BB going right now and would like to get a preview of what I'm in for.

keep it up :) oh and sry about that hermie i just went through that myself yesterday :D