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Torog
10-20-2007, 01:14 PM
Oct 18, 2007

Why the liberals want the U.S. to lose the war in Iraq
COL. DONALD J. MYERS (Ret.)


This past week convinced me that the left, especially the Democratic Congress, does not appreciate the fact that we are at war. When one is in a war, one attempts to amass as many allies as possible. It may be that some of these allies have significant moral differences.

A good example was the Soviet Union during World War II or Saddam Hussein during the war between Iran and Iraq. The adage, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" holds true.
During World War I, the Ottoman Empire, Turkey, killed over a million Armenians. Today, we call that genocide.
Our Congress led by the Democrats picked this particular time to announce to the world how wrong that was and passed a resolution in a committee. Now the speaker, Ms. Pelosi, is trying to have the entire House pass this resolution. As a result, Turkey has recalled its ambassador, and is massing troops on the Iraqi border to deal with Kurdish rebels who conduct raids across the border into Turkey. Much of our supplies to support our troops in the war in Iraq pass through or over Turkey.
Why would our Democratic-led Congress pick this particular time to bring up this issue? There is only one reason -- to make it more difficult for the U.S. to win this war in Iraq.

Sen. Harry Reid has declared that the war is lost. Rep. John Murtha has accused Marines of murder before any investigation, and investigations have proved that he was wrong.

Sen. John Kerry has accused our troops of acting like terrorists in the dead of night. Sen. Richard Durbin has likened our troops to the worst in the Pol Pot regime, the SS in Germany and the Gulags in Russia. Sen. Ted Kennedy has said that Abu Grahib is under new management and is no different than when Saddam ran it. The current resolution is merely another ploy to make it more difficult to win this war, especially since the surge is doing so well.
Since the left has done so much to make it more difficult to win this war, then they will be unable to revel in any type of victory.

Therefore, they must do whatever is necessary to ensure that victory does not occur. There will be many who do not agree with me, but just look at the facts. Who has been denigrating our military, who is constantly portraying nothing but bad news, and who insists that incompetence is the norm in the running of the war? The answer is always the same -- the liberals and leftist lawmakers.

As of Wednesday, the Turkish parliament has authorized cross border attacks into northern Iraq against Kurdish rebels who have been raiding into Turkey. The Turkish prime minister has stated that an attack is not eminent. Since we are showing such little regard for an ally, that ally may just do the same.

Don Myers is a retired Marine colonel living in Spring Hill. He is a columnist for Hernando Today.

This story can be found at: http://www.hernandotoday.com/MGBXLOCRX7F.html (http://www.hernandotoday.com/MGBXLOCRX7F.html)

Psycho4Bud
10-20-2007, 01:31 PM
It's a sorry damn thing to Torog! These kids serve our country and when put into harms way these people should either be a bit more respectfull. It's not about that though.....it's all about the fact that they haven't seen the Whitehouse in 8 years and will do whatever they feel is necessary in order to get back in. The only thing is though, like the Petraous comments, it comes back to bite them in the ass.

Murtha is a GOOD example.......slams our people before knowing the facts and when the actual facts are released he doesn't even have the character to appologize.........so who's the party of hate?

Have a good one!:s4:

epxroot
10-20-2007, 02:08 PM
So now when truth is spoken in the news it is considered to be lies? There is a lot of dirt being done in Iraq and our own troops are the ones who bring this to the light! When a majority of the American people want us out of this war, then it's time to come home! Thats it no questions ask. The war is lost because of a couple reasons. Our troops come home saying that this war is BS. The people want us out of this war. The Iraqi people want us out of their country. There are plenty of reasons why we need to come home! It's time to bring our courageous young women and men home, and get them back to their families who they love.

jakez
10-21-2007, 04:06 AM
Hilarious, this war is unsuccessfull because of the "Liberals"? Hahhaha, think twice, maybe three times.

DemoCommando
10-21-2007, 04:11 AM
Let's shift blame to the other side eh?

Why not share blame, but apparently we'd all rather push the blame to someone else.

SHIFT HAPPENS

Dave

killerweed420
10-21-2007, 05:40 AM
Its all besides the point anyway. Its just another war where we got our ass kicked because of the idiots running the military and the idiots pulling there strings.

Anubis10012007
10-21-2007, 07:18 AM
I think its because liberals recognize the error of American foreign policy.

Psycho4Bud
10-21-2007, 11:34 PM
I think its because liberals recognize the error of American foreign policy.

It's more like the Murtha, Pelosi, Kerry klans can't accept that Iraq is progressing and besides that, elections are coming; they need some more false promises.

Have a good one!:s4:

Gandalf_The_Grey
10-21-2007, 11:52 PM
I love the broad wording to form the thread-title's premise "Why liberals want Iraq to fail". Just name a few "liberals" who commit a certain action, and you can blame liberals in general! How about at least narrowing it down to democrats?

It's like citing George Bush's prior cocaine use and making a thread called "Why conservatives love to snort blow".

eg420ne
10-22-2007, 06:47 PM
Bush- war -iraq- lies-=treason

Gandalf_The_Grey
10-22-2007, 07:32 PM
Bush- war -iraq- lies-=treason


Treason means you try to depose your government, betray your nation by directly offering assistance to the enemy, or otherwise intentionally act in a manner for the purpose destroying your nation's sovereignty. Bush did not commit treason by bringing America into Iraq.

eg420ne
10-22-2007, 08:11 PM
what! alright what should we call it then when the prez starts a war based on lies, the killing of its people....its treason against us The AMERICAN People.....and i stand by that....regardless of what the leftgatekeepers say

eg420ne
10-22-2007, 08:14 PM
oh and the number of dead americans that have died in iraq cause of lies, is it not treason against them.....and then sending the NG overseas when we need them here...whatever:wtf:

Gandalf_The_Grey
10-22-2007, 08:18 PM
Bush sent the troops to kill Iraqi's, he did not order their death's, insurgent's and Iraqi nationalists did.

I understand your anger eg420ne, I'm as against this foolish war as you are, but I'm also an advocate of not flinging accusations just because you hate the subject. Bush did a terrible and stupid thing, he did not commit treason. Treason doesn't mean when something is considered bad enough, it's treasonous.

eg420ne
10-22-2007, 08:20 PM
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation. A person who commits treason is known as a traitor..

.using its army to overthrow a government......

Alright lets just say traitor:thumbsup:

Gandalf_The_Grey
10-22-2007, 08:21 PM
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation. A person who commits treason is known as a traitor..

.using its army to overthrow a government......

Alright lets just say traitor:thumbsup:

Overthrow which government? The Iraqi government? That's not treason or traitor, it's war.

eg420ne
10-22-2007, 08:26 PM
In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation

IDK dude but our prez used its military to invade a country that done nothing to us and is about to do it to Iran, treason is not a word that is only used by the USA.....

eg420ne
10-22-2007, 08:32 PM
Overthrow which government? The Iraqi government? That's not treason or traitor, it's war.

a war in which the bush regime along with Israel sold to everyone based on lies....should i dig deeper or can we admit our president is a traitor with treasous poison thats suround its worldss....

Gandalf_The_Grey
10-22-2007, 08:37 PM
eg420ne, I know treason is a term used by every country, but what I'm saying here is that treason by definition is the subversion of your own nation, not someone else's.

But if we want to really get Bush on something, I think war crimes could arguably be charged against him.

killerweed420
10-22-2007, 11:07 PM
Bush could meet the criteria for treason. He lied to congress and the public to get our troops killed in Iraq. He knew iraq qasn't behing 911 and did it anyway. If we attacked anyone it should have been Saudi Arabia except I'm pretty sure thats where a bunch of Bush's buddies live.