People With Crohn's

[JollyGoodFellow]

So i have crohn's disease I was diagnosed 2 years ago. After i was diagnosed I vaped out as much as i could, everyday. But since I started going to school i've found that Dank is quite hard to come by around here and it's mostly schwag. So i dont' get to smoke during the week, but on the weekends I try and find some dank.

I don't really know how to ask the question that I have brewing in my mind but I'll try the best I can.

I've read that people who have crohn's 75% of them have to have atleast 1 surgery in the lifetime. I'm wondering if those that have smoked everyday like I have ever had any surgeries. So far i haven't had any, but within the past couple of weeks my stomach hasn't been liking me to much and i think it's beucase I haven't been smoking as much as i used to. Basically If you smoke everyday as much as you can do you still go through the pain, or have had any surgeries.

I'm sorry for it being so random my question was hard to think about and type out. :s

terribly sorry for posting this in the news one I forgot I was looking at marijuana news when i decided to post.

[Unknownfigure]

Hello Jolly...


My grandfather had severe Chrohn's Disease, and had a large portion of his colon removed, as well as much of his intestines replaced with plastics. Due to complication with other diseases colliding with Chrohn's (apparently), his leg also had to be amputated. He had numerous other medical conditions, and was going through this severe pain for twenty-three years until his death. Ironically, it wasn't Chrohn's that killed him, it was something more common - a heart attack. Now, how do you think he made it over two decades of severe pain, and atleast two surgeries a year? Yes, he was a MAJOR pothead. I mean, damn, he was always smoking, and he always seemed to manage to find some good, good dank even though he could never leave the house alone. The doctors knew he smoked weed, and some of them even agreed it was helping his condition. So considering this individual had atleast two surgeries a year for two decades while being a major pothead, I'm pretty sure Cannabis is safe to use if you have Chrohn's Disease - atleast when you don't eat it. It may even improve your condition. And don't worry if your doctors don't know you smoke, if they aren't 420 friendly they can't really do anything about it, as when you see them, you see them in confidence.


Hope that little bit of info helped you out. I, myself, am a tad scared of going to check if I have anything like that, as more than one person in my family has the disease, it might turn out to be genetic...

Good luck to you!

[Chong Version 2.0]

I don't think weed will prevent the inflammation from Crohn's. It does reduce the pain I believe. Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. Maybe you could grow some to get a steady supply. :jointsmile: Take it easy. :)

[Unknownfigure]

By the way, if you live in a Medical Marijuana state (California, for example) you may request a federal MMJ card and the right to cultivate marijuana for your medical condition. I know you could easily get an MMJ card in California legitly for Chrohn's.

[Storm Crow]

From Granny's "Birthday" post of medical studies (link below)

Cannabis-based drugs could offer new hope for inflammatory bowel disease patients
Cannabis-based drugs could offer new hope for inflammatory bowel disease patients (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/28584.php)

Cannabis may soothe inflamed bowels
http://www.chanvre-info.ch/info/en/Cannabis-may-soothe-inflamed.html

In the Human Colon: Cannabinoids Promote Epithelial Wound Healing
Elsevier (http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/PIIS0016508505009297/abstract)

Crohn's Patients Report Symptomatic Relief From Cannabis
Crohn's Patients Report Symptomatic Relief From Cannabis: The Hempire - [cannabis, britain] (http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/news/4650)

Cannabis Helps Ulcers And Crohn's Disease
Cannabis Helps Ulcers And Crohn's Disease: The Hempire - [cannabis, britain] (http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/news/cannabis_helps_ulcers_and_crohns_disease)

Bowel Study Backs Cannabis Drugs
Bowel Study Backs Cannabis Drugs: The Hempire - [cannabis, uk] (http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/news/bowel_study_backs_cannabis_drugs)

Hope that helps. - Granny:hippy:

[trynagethigh]

I have Crohns and find that my symptoms are relieved when I do smoke. Mostly it reduces the cramping and gas. I have had Crohns since I was 14 and have had two surgeries, the first I ended up having a temporary colostomy that was supposed to be for 6 months to allow my colon to "cool off" and heal, but I didnt end up getting the reversal surgery until 2 years later. The colostomy was strange at first but after a while it got to be normal..mine flared up a few months ago so i did go to the doctor and when i asked him about smoking bud he just laughed and said yes he knew it helped so if i chose to smoke so be it. He also put me on sulfasalazine, prednisone, and protonix. I am slowly being taken off the prednisone since you cant just go cold turkey from taking it without side effects. I still smoke almost everyday but lately have been cutting back to increase the effectiveness of the bud.

[Nailhead]

It's always good to see a new fellow Crohnie on board, welcome!

[Nailhead]

(sorry for the double post, I meant to edit this into the same post but made a new post on accident)

I was wondering the same thing as you, if Cannabis could help prevent future surgeries because I haven't had any yet, and I really don't want any ever! Unfortunately it is a bit disappointing to read about a chronic user going through so much, but I'm sure it would have been much worse without marijuana!


I'm pretty sure Cannabis is safe to use if you have Chrohn's Disease - atleast when you don't eat it.

Why do you say this? I thought consuming cannabis would be the best for Crohnies? Smoking cigs is a no no for us, so I assumed smoking marijuana wouldn't be optimal either, and consumption would be best. I was recommended by my pot doctor to make pot tea because it has healing properties to heal damaged tissue, although to be honest, I'm not sure if he really knew what he was talking about, but even without his advice I always assumed consumption is ideal for Crohn's patients. Although, ironically most pot teas require milk....which isn't friendly with my stomach, but I don't see how some brownies could hurt.

So far though, I have only smoked because I usually don't buy a lot, and it's expensive so when I do try cooking, I want to make sure I don't mess it up! If you live in a medical marijuana friendly state I highly suggest you getting on with that if you can, some strains effect me while some don't do much at all. I'm still experimenting to find what works best for me, but I have read of many Crohnies being happy with the effects from Grand Daddy Purple.

[trynagethigh]

"Smoking cigs is a no no for us, so I assumed smoking marijuana wouldn't be optimal either, and consumption would be best."

Actually the nicotene helps releive the symptoms too..i did some research on it and it will affect some people differently. For me the nicotene helps a little but not nearly as much as the bud does. On the other hand the nicotene counters the effects of the bud as far as reducing your high, which i can say is true for me. If i feel I am too high i have to fire up a square to bring me down a little bit.

As far as strains, I have heard that strawberry cough was really good for crohns but have not personally tried it.

[trynagethigh]

I don't think weed will prevent the inflammation from Crohn's. It does reduce the pain I believe. Sorry to hear about your diagnosis. Maybe you could grow some to get a steady supply. :jointsmile: Take it easy. :)

Hey Chong,

no it definitely will not help with the inflamation but does reduce the spasms of the colon and intestines.

[Charles U Farley]

If you do a google search you should be able to find Michelle Rainey's website.I saw a clip of her on Urban Grower and she has crones and uses a specific strain to relieve her symptoms,I dont remember it off hand but I think it was an Afgani.Check out Granny's post on this thread,Ive looked up the links she had to MS and weed,pretty outstanding stuff.Good luck man,a dear friend of mine has crones and Ill try to get some info from him that I can pass along,good luck and take care brother.

[Nailhead]

^Afghani Bullrider, a strain I have yet to try out myself, never seen a co-op even offer it, but when one does, I'll have to try it out!

Here is Michelle's website:
Welcome to MichelleRainey.com - Medical Cannabis Patients Advocate (http://michellerainey.com)

Definitely interesting for any Crohn's patients, she is also part of the BC3 the US DEA is trying to extradite for "drug trafficking", which really all she is accused of is selling seeds over the internet, hardly a crime worth going to prison for life for!

Check out this link too:
No Extradition for the BC3! (http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4639.html)

[JollyGoodFellow]

When my friend and i had made blueberry muffins with vapeover, with the pillsburry or whichever didn't need much milk. After i ate those I felt a lot better, for a few weeks.

I've had trainwreck before and It was perfect. And no I'm not in a mj friendly state sadly :(.

[Storm Crow]

MOVE! Your health is worth it! You "felt a lot better for a few weeks" after one dose! What would a weekly or daily dose do? Can you imagine that life?- Granny:hippy:

[JollyGoodFellow]

Sadly I can't move. I'm only 18 I'm in college for 2 1/2 years if I could move I would. But as soon as I'm out of this shithole I'm moving to CO.

[trynagethigh]

Sadly I can't move. I'm only 18 I'm in college for 2 1/2 years if I could move I would. But as soon as I'm out of this shithole I'm moving to CO.

gotta start your own jolly, doesnt make sense to suffer needlessly when you can grab a coouple of seeds and get going. good luck:thumbsup:

[sneakyt33]

I was diagnosed with crohn's 10 years ago and have not had any surgery. It is my goal to avoid any surgery because I'd rather eat a bullet than shit in a bag.


After being diagnosed, for the first 2-3 years I was on prednisone, mesalazine, and budesonide. In addition to this, I was a daily smoker. At the time, I wasn't using pot as medicine, I was just a fella who liked to get high everyday. The combination of the 3 drugs eventually got my crohn's into remission. Then about 4 years ago, it started to flare up again. I noticed that the cramps/pains would be much worse during the day, then once I would get home from work and smoke a joint, all pains would virtually disappear. If I were suddenly feeling a cramp, and I took a hit from the bong, the pain would go away. I asked my doctor if he knew anything about marijuana being beneficial for Crohn's and he laughed at me. He sent me home with prescriptions for the same 3 drugs as before.
The problem was, I didn't have the money to afford the prescriptions, and so I was forced to go without. (Wonderful Canadian medicare system, the doctor will see you for free, but the pills cost a fortune) At this time, I decided I was finished with my doctor. I knew that pot was helping with the pain, and he thought I was joking or something.
I started doing some reading online about crohn's and I've managed to keep it under control on my own since then. At the moment I'm using a combination of Pot, Colostrum, and occasional breaks from solid foods.
I should note that I'm not recommending self treatment for everyone, if my pain gets bad enough, I'm sure I'll eventually go back crying to the doctor.

[Nailhead]

^Welcome lurker ;)

I sympathize with your struggle at how your doctor is handling the issue, I'm not really familiar with Canadian health care, but can't you get a different doctor? My doctor really pissed me off when I simply asked him about medical marijuana for Crohn's at a visit I made after getting a severe bad reaction to Prednisone. He told me he had never heard anything, but said he would study it and like a naive patient I trusted him. Well, next appointment I wanted to find out what he researched, and not only did he not do any research, but he didn't even read Prop 215, which is really the first thing any reasonable doctor should have read first! I don't know who he talked to, but it was clear he didn't even do a simple google search for Crohn's disease and marijuana. I haven't seen him since, but I do need to see a new doctor, I just need to find one that isn't so close minded. Either way I went to a pot doctor to get legal, but I really see no purpose of seeing a doctor that won't even recognize marijuana's medical benefits for Crohn's patients.

Good luck man!

[JollyGoodFellow]

I live in dorms :( So i can't really grow in my dorm room. My closet is literally a hole in the wall and I'm in a room that's 8 x 8 witha twin size bed and a desk in there. :( not very roomy lol.

When I was first diagnosed about 3 months later i had told my doctor that i was smoking and could see a significant change that it was helping and he said that some of his patients had told him that it helps but since legally he coudln't prescribe it or recommend it he gave me more meds to take that I never took but my parents filled anyways because they wanted to pay for pills that i wasn't going to take. I was on prednisone, asacol. I haven't had any flareups within these past couple of years which is good, I do take remmicade transfusions if i start feeling bad. I haven't had one of those in about 10 weeks or more and I still feel really healthy but since I haven't been smoking as much I'm afraid it's going to start coming back :(.

Do you guys think if I was driving around out in on like a back highway and a cop pulled me over for smoking. I could tell him that I have crohn's and just explain to him what I know and why I'm doing what I'm doing. Do you think they would let me off with like a warning, or they not care and arrest me anyways?

[Nailhead]

Driving under the influence is always illegal, regardless if you have a legal right to use marijuana. Do you really think a cop is going to allow you to endanger other drivers on the road simply because you have some disease? I've read stories of people getting speed tickets for speeding on the way to the emergency room, so I'm sure no cop will let you go, unless he was planning to let you go anyway.

[sneakyt33]

Nailhead:
I could go to another doctor as long as I get a referral from another doctor. The problem is my province only has 2 gastroenterologists, and they are both quite busy, so if you get to see one, you should consider yourself lucky.
The way the Canadian medical marijuana laws are set up, you need to get two Doctors to sign some papers saying that they have tried every other means of treatment, and nothing has worked. Then you can get permission to smoke and grow medically. The problem is, I'm not willing to undergo any more years of prednisone, asacol, enterocort, and who knows what else, I've got a system that has been working for me, and legal or not, I'm not giving it up.

[Nailhead]

^That sucks they want you to try some other extreme dangerous drugs before using a safe drug simply because some people have a biased issue against it. A lot of people here have the same attitude, like they really think it would be better if I would wait until I'm having surgeries to remove parts of my stomach before trying something that might be able to prevent something extreme like that!

But your laws are pretty relaxed though right? I mean what is the worst case scenario that could happen if you grew your own bud without the medical legality? I was planning to start growing my own here, but after reading stories about the DEA charging simple growers for personal use as DRUG LORDS, I'm having second thoughts, even though I'm legal by the state of California. The thought of moving to Canada for more relaxed marijuana laws is something I have been considering, I'm thinking about taking a vacation trip up next year sometime to check it out. I mean Jesus Christ, I just want to grow so I can save some money and live a healthy life, but the God damn DEA would rather me just live in pain and get a colostomy bag. To hell with that!

[sneakyt33]

^ Worst case scenario for a small grow op, if it was your first offense, would probably be a fine and some community service. If it was a larger grow op, or if you had pot bagged for sale, you would probably get some jail time. In certain cities, you can get away with smoking it on the street, but rubbing it in a cops face would get you busted. (If you were wondering, those cities are Vancouver, Montreal, and to a lesser extent, Halifax.)
If you were just busted for possession, you could get it thrown out of court if you were willing to fight it. A few years back our supreme court ruled that Canadian marijuana laws are unconstitutional, and need to be rewritten. They still have not been rewritten, so it's almost like there are no marijuana laws; if you choose to fight it. The cops will still try to enforce the unconstitutional laws, probably because most people are not aware that they could get away with smoking.
If you are in California, I can highly recommend a trip to Vancouver, or anywhere in BC. It's a beautiful place, and it does have the highest ratio of pot friendly people in the country. I get there about twice a year, but I spend the rest of my time clear across the country on a beautiful island filled with hicks.

[Melange]

a beautiful island filled with hicks.

ancient post but..

hullo to my fellow newfie!!! :D