TINCTURES

[20dollarholla]

Hi I'm your typical stoner/grower who loves this herb like the rest of everyone else here.

I have recently developed an interest in Marijuana Tinctures. I have several recipies myself, but if you know of any recipies for any Marijuans tinctures could you please let me know the more recipies the bette. Also I will share my recipies with you.

[Coelho]

Share them, please!!!

[Non]

since none of the heatnig methods of making tincture I'm making green dragonthe old way by letting the weed sit in alcohol for some time. I wanna let it sit in the fridge for three months, hopefully.

[Coelho]

Why dont you want to heat the green dragon? Its damn faster... from months to minutes...

[Non]

it's never worked for me no matter how many tries or variations

[Coelho]

Could you describe how you did it? Maybe someone can point out what was wrong... as it always works for me... with awesome results!

BTW, i was reading some recipes for making glicerin-based tinctures, but they took a LOT of time... so i thought about a way for making it faster.
First, make some hash oil, or honey oil. It takes some 2-3 days...
Then, dissolve the hash oil in alcohol (everclear).
Mix this alcohol with the glicerin.
Heat this misture until the alcohol evaporate. Doing so, the THC will remain solved in the glicerin.
If you start with the hash oil, the amount of time required must be of a few hours, or less, instead the months of the original recipe.

BUT its only an idea, and i dont know if it will actually work... I will try it right now... if it works, i will post at monday (as i only will enter in internet again after this weekend).

[Non]

well I've tried it the exact same way Master Wu's recipe goes, it should've worked for me but it didn't, and I've tried like more than 10 times.

[20dollarholla]

Could you describe how you did it? Maybe someone can point out what was wrong... as it always works for me... with awesome results!

BTW, i was reading some recipes for making glicerin-based tinctures, but they took a LOT of time... so i thought about a way for making it faster.
First, make some hash oil, or honey oil. It takes some 2-3 days...
Then, dissolve the hash oil in alcohol (everclear).
Mix this alcohol with the glicerin.
Heat this misture until the alcohol evaporate. Doing so, the THC will remain solved in the glicerin.
If you start with the hash oil, the amount of time required must be of a few hours, or less, instead the months of the original recipe.

BUT its only an idea, and i dont know if it will actually work... I will try it right now... if it works, i will post at monday (as i only will enter in internet again after this weekend).

This is one of the ideas I had on how to get the THC from a 1/4lb of reefer into a tiny little dropper

[Coelho]

So, i tried it... dissolved a small amount of hash oil, 2-3x the amount i smoke usually, into a bit of alcohol, then mixed it with glicerin.
The solution of hash oil in alcohol was dark brown, that turned into murky brown when i added glicerin.
The amount of alcohol was about twice the amount of glicerin. And the amount of hash oil was roughly 1/100 of the volume of alcohol.
Then i put the test tube with the mixture into a can with boiling water, and left there until all the alcohol evaporate. You can know that all alcohol evaporated when the volume of the solution dont goes smaller with the passing of time.
When the alcohol was completly evaporated (what took some 10-20 minutes), the glicerin was murky green, and there was a lot of small bits of a dark, almost black tar-like residue in the test tube.
I took only the glicerin, cooled it, and put under my tongue for 10 minutes.
After some 20-30 minutes, i felt slightly high... dont know if i went much higher than it... but, if i had eaten/drinked the (small) amount of hash oil i used, i would be only slightly high also... so, i think it actually works.
Im making some hash oil right now, and will test this technique with a greater dose... Later, or tomorrow, i will post my results.

[Coelho]

well I've tried it the exact same way Master Wu's recipe goes, it should've worked for me but it didn't, and I've tried like more than 10 times.

Did you drink it? Or put under your tongue? Does the solution was dark green/brown? Did you drink it with an empty stomach? (Drinking it with a full stomach is a complete waste as it dont works...) There must be an explanation, as the recipe always worked for me...

Also, there is a point that is not stressed in the recipe... when you heat the alcohol with the weed in it, when the alcohol starts to simmer, it starts to appear a thin layer of a greenish/brownish substance just above the level of the alcohol, in the walls of the glass which contains the alcohol+weed. This substance is the resin that contains the THC.
Whenever you see this, mix the glass, making the alcohol wash it, so the resin will be re-dissolved in the alcohol.
If you dont do it, all the THC-containing resin will be glued to the inner surface of the glass, instead solved in the alcohol.

[Coelho]

Ok, im here again. Didnt went to another dimensions... :( yet.
From my yesterday's experiment:

I used a far greater amount of hash oil this time. Roughly 10x the amount i would smoke usually. This amount, if drank or eaten would get me reasonably high for a large amount of time.
Unfortunately, the weed i used for making this hash oil was not very good (some mids 9 months old :(). I smoked it today, and the high was weaker than i would expect... so, probably it had a major influence in the results.

Anyway... this time i used (rougly) 0.15 cm3 of hash oil, 4 cm3 of alcohol and 1.5 cm3 of glicerin. Again, i did put the hash oil in the test tube, added the alcohol, shaked until dissolve all the hash oil, then added the glicerin, shaked until they mix, put the test tube in a can with boiling water and waited.
This time, not all the alcohol evaporated, even with almost 1 hour of heating. From the original 5.5 cm3 of the mixture, remained about 2.5 cm3, so, rougly 1 cm3 of alcohol didnt evaporated.

Also, this time the amount of the tar-like resin produced was far greater... of course, i used a far greater amount of hash oil, but also the quality of this hash oil was much worst, so probably it has more tars, useless resins, and so.
After cooled, the glicerin was murky green. I put it under the tongue for some 5 minutes and could clearly distinguish the taste of alcohol which had remained unevaporated.

After some 20 minutes, i started to feel the symptoms of a high coming... relaxation of the eyes, a slight heaviness of the members (as if i were doing things in somewhat slow motion) and so... Also, i felt slow-minded, and somewhat retarded...
The effects were increasing unsteadily, like waves... there was times i would feel i was high, then some minutes after i would feel very less high, then some minutes after i would feel very high again, and so...
I think i reached the peak after some 1.5-2 hours after the start. During the peak, i was almost as stoned as if i had smoked the hash oil.

So, i think it works. I used an amount that would make me high, and i went almost as high as i would expect from ingesting this amount.

There is some notes, though. This weed i used wasnt good indeed. I think it was too old. The effects i felt, putting under the tongue and smoking it were not much like the usual THC high, of the CBD stone. It were more like the CBN "messed" feeling, what makes sense, as the CBN is the product of the oxidation of the THC, what certainly happened cause the weed was very old.

Also, i think i used too much alcohol when dissolving the hash oil. I think if i had used less, probably there would not be any remaining alcohol in the tincture. Im not sure, but i think it may interfere in the absortion of the glicerin. Even if it does not, the taste of alcohol in the tincture is not good at all.

So, i think i can conclude this method actually works. Right now im isomerizing this "bad" hash oil i get, and if i get a decent high from it, i will try this tincture again.

If anyone were to try it, try to use the smallest possible amount of alcohol and glicerin, or, in other words, make the tincture as concentrated (strong) as possible. As stronger the tincture, smaller is the amount needed to put under the tongue, and faster the absortion. I think if you have too much tincture under your tongue (as i did), not all the tincture will be in direct contact with the "undertongue", and so not all the tincture will be absorved.

Tomorrow, the day after, or whenever i try to make the tincture with the isomerized hash oil im making, ill post again.

Meanwhile, if anyone try it, please post here the results. :thumbsup:

[dragonrider]

Thanks for posting these results. This looks like a good technique.

[Coelho]

Well... today i tried it again, with bad results... i only went barely high... even if the hash oil were good.
I tried to make a stronger tincture, so i used 0.17 cm3 of hash oil and added about 4 cm3 of alcohol. I heated it in the boiling water to evaporate some alcohol and make the solution stronger. The remaining volume of alcohol, after heating, was about 2 cm3.
Then i added about 1.5 cm3 of glicerin, mixed well, and heated again, for evaporating the remaining alcohol. This time, the amount of tar-like substance produced was much greater. After some 30 minutes of heating, the volume of the solution was about 2.7 cm3.
I separated the solution, and as i had read that not all THC went to the glicerin, but some remained in this tar-like thing, even if the process were perfectly done (as the rate of thc in the resin/glicerin is a chemical constant.), i also colected this tar-like thing. As after taking the glicerin from the test-tube, most of the tar was glued to the walls of the test tube, i scraped it from there. After cooled, it was almost equal to the original hash oil, only softer.
I tried this tincture, and had only mild effects. The rhymes i did write in the lounge were the only result of the tincture. I were slightly stoned, but only it.
BUT... yes... now is the best part. After realizing the high wouldnt increase anymore, i smoked the resin i has scraped. And went HIGHH. Of course, the amount i smoked was FAR greater than i smoke usually, as for making this tincture the amount needed is greater, but the effects were FAR greater also... so, i could conclude that this time most of THC had remained in the tar-like oil, and only a small amount of it went to the glicerin.

As the only difference between the process i did today to what i did yesterday was the concentration of the solution of hash oil in alcohol, i must conclude that it was the cause. So, next time i will try with more alcohol, like i did previously.

And well... at least im stoned! :thumbsup::stoned::rastasmoke:

[20dollarholla]

Good to know, thanks for the testing. I'm outta weed and gotta drop urines every week so I rarely get to enjoy my herb as much as I used too.

I'd buy them cleansing drinks, but at the Adult Parole Authority (APA) they expect me to test positive for methaone and xanax so thats outta the picture. Only thing I can do is stop smoking, piss in some bottles and freeze them for later use as they do not watch me drop urine.

[TryptamineScape]

dude that sucks...about your parole thing.

Coelho, if some under your tongue will get you high. Could you use a solid like baking soda or something to absord that liquid, and then snort it? I really wouldn't want to do that, but for the sake of experimentation, I'd like to know if that would be plausible. I've seen the forum topics where someone asked if you can snort it and then get flamed, but since we're talking science, I'd like to know the plausibility of that theory?

[Coelho]

Well... thats a very weird idea... even if it were possible, the amount of material you should snort would be too large... the least amount of tincture i tried with positive results was 2 cm3... so, imagine to snort 2 cm3 of anything... i think there would be no room for it, even in the world's largest nose...

BTW, im starting to feel disappointed with this tinctures... i tried it again and feel only barely high... one hour after using it... im sure i should feel higher... Dont know what went wrong this time... i think i will give up and come back to smoking, which NEVER EVER failed to get me high... :rastasmoke:

[TryptamineScape]

yeah, that was my problem...the amount needed to snort...what's the problem with the tinctures as they stand? weakness?

[Coelho]

Yes... most of THC remains in the oil, and only a small amount goes to the glicerin... or, maybe, as the oil im using is not so good, the amount i use isnt enough for making me high...

[TryptamineScape]

hmmm...there has to be a way...

[dragonrider]

I am wondering if maybe it just takes more time or more heat to get all the THC disolved into the glycerine. The original post about the glycernie technique was one of those things where you have to wait for months. Because glycerine has a much higher boiling temp than water or alcohol, I wonder what would happen if you combined your ingredients and then put them in the oven at say 300F for awhile until the heat disolved them? I'm not planning to try it, but I'll throw it out there as an idea.

Personally, I am thinking of just adding some glycerine to my green dragon liqueur. if you look at recipes for other liqueurs, such as Creme de Menthe, many of them involve an optional step of adding glycerine to the recipe to add a nice smooth texture to the drink. Also, I think it can help with stability. I think I will add a few tablespoons to the next 750 ml i make.

[Coelho]

I dont know what is wrong... my 2nd attempt was the more sucessfull, and the glicerin was green... during my last attempts, the glicerin was clear, almost transparent...
Anyway, i dont know if it would be possible to heat a mixture of alcohol and glicerin at 300F, as the alcohol boils at about 170-180F (if i remember correctly)...
Today will be the decision day... i will know if the problem is with the hash oil i used. I did make some chocolate with the hash oil im using to make this tinctures. If i go high with it, the problem is with the tincture. If not, the problem was with the hash oil. So, wish me luck... :stoned:
BTW... i dont know if its very healthy to drink glicerin... anyway, the taste is pleasant enough... dont know if is because the experiments with the tinctures, but the fact is im starting to like the taste of it... MUCH more than the taste of alcohol, which i cant stand (and what makes drinking green dragon one of the hardest things to me).

[greenmeanie]

You should try dissolving the hash oil into coconut oil. Then you could probably get away with dropping a single drop under your tongue and letting the fatty goodness coat your mouth.

[Coelho]

It seems a good idea... BUT... does oils are absorved into the bloodstream as well as glicerin? Ive read somewhere that glicerin is absorved well, and fast, when put under the tongue, and thats the reason why we use it to dissolve the THC. Does the oil works also?

[TryptamineScape]

is it safe to have glycerin absorbed into your bloodstream?

[Coelho]

Completly... there is glicerin in our body... its produced when we digest fats.

[TryptamineScape]

I knew it was already present, I just had no idea if adding more was safe. I know it's also used for skin. It was kind of ironic, right after i started reading these posts about glycerin extraction, I got in the car with my friend and she had a bottle of glycerin in the car, it says on the label that it's good for skin and chapped lips and stuff.

[TryptamineScape]

Found this on google, thought it might help if you didn't already know...
Glycerin pharmaceutical uses.
# Used at 10% to prevent tannins from precipitating in ethanol extracts of plants (tinctures).
# Used as a substitute for alcohol, as a solvent that will create a therapeutic herbal extraction, but is less extractive and is approximately 30% less able to be absorbed by the body. Fluid extract manufacturers often extract herbs in hot water before adding glycerin to make glycerites.[8][9][10]

[Coelho]

Today will be the decision day... i will know if the problem is with the hash oil i used. I did make some chocolate with the hash oil im using to make this tinctures. If i go high with it, the problem is with the tincture. If not, the problem was with the hash oil. So, wish me luck... :stoned:

Well... the chocolate worked very well... some times i had to make an effort for speak coherently... the words would be floating around, and i spoke many phrases with some words in the incorrect order... also, some times was almost impossible to control the perma-grin spreading through my face... so, the problem really is with the tincture.

[TryptamineScape]

hahahaha perma-grin...I love that feeling...the tincture will be perfected...it will work...good luck on figuring it out, I'm still playing around with stuff too...

[Coelho]

Well... tried it again, yesterday... This time i put the hash oil in the test tube, added about 2.5 cm3 of alcohol, mixed until the hash oil be completly dissolved, added about 1.5 cm3 of glicerin, mixed until it became homogeneous, heated only until the tar-like thing started to precipitate. When it started, i stopped the heating, and cooled it.

As the heating was much smaller than during my other attempts, most of alcohol that i added remained in the tincture. I did it purposedly, as the THC is far more soluble in alcohol than in glicerin. Also, in the only sucessfull attempt i had done until then (the 2nd one), the tincture had a lot of alcohol in it. Then, i did put it under my tongue...

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!! It burned a LOT!!! The tincture was much more alcohol than anything, and i could feel it... After some 2 minutes, the burning stopped... i kept the tincture under my tongue for some 10 minutes.

After some 20 minutes, i started to feel weird... not stoned, but somewhat numb, slow... im sure this effects were due the alcohol, which also entered in my bloodstream... as i never drink, my tolerance to alcohol is null, so i could clearly percieve its effects.

Then, after about 30-40 minutes i started to feel the effects of a high creeping in... but the high only started, and never actually kicked in. I felt, again, like i would feel if i had eaten an insufficient amount of weed... i would feel weird... not sober... but not high also... it was much like the so-called sober high we get during the first days of a break...

I waited until about 1:30 hour to know if the effects would increase or not... they didnt... i only was sober-high... then i smoked a lot and went fucked... yes... smoking never ever disappointed me... :jointsmile:

And today my undertongue is still weird. It doesnt hurt, but i feel like if it were somewhat coarse... surely due the burning by the alcohol.

Anyway... I think this time it worked well enough... im sure the amount of hash oil i did use was not enough for making me high... but i went somewhat high, what was expected.

Conclusions... using alcohol in the tincture allows more THC to be dissolved in it, and so the tincture is more effective. But its have the inconvenient of being painful to use it... So, more research is still required... mainly in how to transfer the THC from the alcohol to the glicerin.

[TryptamineScape]

well doesn't alcohol evaporate quicker than glycerin?

[Coelho]

Yes, much quickly... but why do you ask this?

PS. 1313 rd post! The lucky one! :jointsmile:

[TryptamineScape]

.. So, more research is still required... mainly in how to transfer the THC from the alcohol to the glicerin.

Couldn't you just do what you did before, then just evaporate all the alcohol leaving glycerin and the extracted chemicals from the plant?

[Coelho]

Thats what i did in my unsucessful attempts... when too much alcohol evaporates, the oil dissolved in it starts to precipitate... so, in the end there is almost pure glicerin and hash oil, separated.

[TryptamineScape]

oh...interesting

[dragonrider]

I am making a glycerine tincture and will post results in this thread: http://boards.cannabis.com/concentrates/149404-tincture-mars.html#post1857564

[Flameon]

Hi dragonrider, and thanks for keeping up the good work!

I'll be keeping an eye out for your updates as this is a process that I'm keen to learn more about.
I've been carrying out some research of my own using 'budder' as a source material. I know that might seem like a waste to some, but I've found it's been incredibly useful in providing a consistent (and concentrated) form of THC in order to measure my progress. That, and the fact that this stuff just floors me (in a good way lol).

Good luck with the results! :thumbsup:

[intheflood]

Flame, have you had any success with a glycerin based tincture yet.
I, along with a few other people, are eager to know.

thanks in advance,
flood

[Flameon]

Hi intheflood and welcome to the forums :thumbsup:

Spooky coincidence that you resurrected this thread, as Iâ??ve recently started 'dabbling' with this stuff again, and was thinking about this very topic just the other day.

I'd love to be able to say I've been lucky and found something that worked well for me, but so far, most of my efforts have been a bit, well on the disappointing side.
I tried out some of the recipes in the summer: alcohol, glycerine and a couple of other combinations, but had pretty much the same experiences as everyone else whoâ??s reported on it.

i.e. Pure grain alcohol, though good at extracting the THC, burnt like buggery (probably not the best word to have used, but you get what I mean. lol), after only a short while under the tongue. Adding a little warm water (as suggested elsewhere) helped, but seemed to interfere with absorption.
With glycerine though, it was the other way round. Easy on the tongue, but, as TryptamineScape already said, it didn't seem to be as good at extracting the THC (either that, or it wasnâ??t as good a conductor â?? or maybe both?).

In fairness, I have to say my earlier experiments were pretty crude, I was only working with small quantities and batches (typically 4ml) into which I was adding slightly more than a pin heads worth of budder (apparently equivalent to about a joints worth).
For my purposes, the advantages of budder were that: it dissolved completely (no residue or sediment) and, itâ??s an almost pure, clean THC source (no need to worry if the process had gone wrong during the isomerization stage). The disadvantages though, are: itâ??s tricky to handle, and you can't accurately measure/weigh very small quantities (well my scales can't anyhow).

I've been giving it another go though, and invested in some more Lab equipment last month in order to try out a few more methods (side-by-side for comparison). Iâ??ll post back if anything looks particularly promising.
I guess in an ideal world we should get: Coelho, dragonrider, LdyMarsRN, TryptamineScape and a few others and sit them round a kitchen table with a (free?) supply of various â??herbalâ?? products and chemistry equipment and lock them in until they crack it (or get the munchies. Lol) as Iâ??m sure between them they could figure out a â??sure-fireâ?? method that everyone could use.

Hey, Iâ??ll donate some â??budderâ?? for the cause. Whoâ??s with me? :jointsmile:

[MNoisy]

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