Romney confronted by sick patient - take 2

[Nailhead]

Ok guys, this is part 2....DON'T GET THIS THREAD CLOSED BY POSTING MINDLESS PROFANITY!! If you feel the need to cuss, I suggest doing what I do and yell profanity at inanimate objects such as a computer when it is running too slow, at your car for being slow, or at a recent phone bill for costing way more than its worth. Just don't type it out into this thread, (or forum for that matter)!

So with that in mind...let's keep this thread alive and keep a serious discussion going!

Romney Confronted by sick patient (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/10/07/romney.confronted.cnn)

[Psycho4Bud]

Ok guys, this is part 2....DON'T GET THIS THREAD CLOSED BY POSTING MINDLESS PROFANITY!!

Glad to see ya reposted this but here's the warning. I have a reference point from the past b.s. and this time there will either be warnings or bans handed out if all you have is mindless comments.

Nailhead is nice enough to post this info up.......act like an adult with your comments.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

Nailhead, I was reading your other thread and its responses, and then of course I read the comments about it in Feedback. I frankly would have not simply closed that other thread but completely deleted it. Had we only deleted the obnoxious threads it contained, it would have been decimated anyway. We are judicious about the thread deletions we make, I assure you.

I find it the least surprising thing I've seen all week to learn that a conservative Mormon presidential candidate would object to medical marijuana. Everyone understands that these are people whose church teachings urge them to eschew tobacco, coffee, and alcohol, right? Mormons interpret the misuse of drugs--illegal, legal, prescription or controlled--as a violation of their "Word of Wisdom" health code. I'm sorry about Mitt Romney's stance on MMJ, and perhaps this is an opportunity for him to be educated on the topic, but I think anyone who's considering Mr. Romney for president and hopes to advance the cause of medical MJ is barking up the wrong candidate. I think the same thing of any Republican candidate, frankly, and most Democrats except Ron Paul and possibly Barack Obama, neither of whom is going to get the nomination (Obama may get the nod for VP).

[Markass]

We don't need a president who is willing to turn a blind eye to an 80 pound man in a wheel chair who's dying...only to leave him with the choice to take 'synthetic' marijuana, which he plainly stated that it makes him throw up..'$10 a pill, take it anyways, I get a lot of campaign funds from big pharm anyhow'

[angry nomad]

I think Ron Paul has an excellent chance of winning the Republican nomination. Many people from other parties are registering Republican to vote for him in the primaries. I am one of them.

CNN poll:
Election Center 2008 - Election & Politics News from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/results.html)
Winner: Ron Paul

MSNBC poll:
Interactive: Rate the candidates - The Debates - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/)
Winner: Ron Paul

YouTube - Sept. 5 Fox Debate Poll - "Ron Paul Won Overwhelmingly" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us9DAkxkQuA)

[TOOL9]

We don't need a president who is willing to turn a blind eye to an 80 pound man in a wheel chair who's dying...only to leave him with the choice to take 'synthetic' marijuana, which he plainly stated that it makes him throw up..'$10 a pill, take it anyways, I get a lot of campaign funds from big pharm anyhow'

I agree... i just don't see how anybody could be that big of a jerk to an 80 pound dieing person. He won't be getting my vote.

[ATrain]

Someone needs to remind Romney that people have a habit of taping these events and that shafting a dude in a wheelchair when he raises a valid point is bound to get around :wtf:

Here's hoping he falls a country mile short of being nominated! :)

[bobthenuker]

Just smile and walk away....real smooth. Politicians are so funny sometimes. :D

[HerbalConfusion]

I think Ron Paul has an excellent chance of winning the Republican nomination. Many people from other parties are registering Republican to vote for him in the primaries. I am one of them.

CNN poll:
Election Center 2008 - Election & Politics News from CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/gop.debate/results.html)
Winner: Ron Paul

MSNBC poll:
Interactive: Rate the candidates - The Debates - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18421356/)
Winner: Ron Paul

YouTube - Sept. 5 Fox Debate Poll - "Ron Paul Won Overwhelmingly" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us9DAkxkQuA)

+1 dem gone republican for primaries. I am glad people are showing romney for who he is. He already screwed up my state dont let him screw up our country!

[Nailhead]

I like Ron Paul, I like him a lot, but I don't think he really has any chance at all at winning the republican primary. People fear change, and he is a big change from what most republicans are used to, (even if it might be a change to what republicans are supposed to be). But I hope he never shuts up because he always has interesting things to hear, unlike many of the other candidates.

There's also the videos of Giuliani and McCain responding very condescendingly to a medical marijuana patient, it's really disgusting to see their questions and concerns be brushed off as if it's not a big deal. But the thing that keeps me happy is knowing that most of the country wants change, and if the funds raised is any indication....the country is looking for a democrat.

I would like to see some democrat candidates make is very clear as to what they would do if president with the medical marijuana thing. I know they have all said they support it, but saying you support something is far different than actually doing anything about it. Right now the only one I know would do anything is Richardson, who is trailing far behind. As much as I like Obama, I'm a bit disappointed he was last to make it public he supports medical marijuana and would end the DEA raids. I was expecting him to do more than simply say what we want to hear, oh well, right now I'm just hoping Arnold makes some news and voices his support for medical marijuana and an end to the raids here in California.

And thanks for keeping this open, normally I wouldn't care about a thread of mine being closed, but politics and medical marijuana strike a chord with me! I really think everyone should see how offensive some of these candidates are acting, and hopefully motivate some people to register to vote and make some real progress in this country.

[birdgirl73]

Ron Paul has as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as I do. (That's very low, particularly considering that I'm a Democrat.) This is an unfortunate reality. I respect and like what I've seen of him even though I'm still pretty far to his left.

Yeah, I think Obama is trying to separate his own history as a cannabis smoker from his political intentions. I guess I can understand that, as big a deal as was made of the fact that he said "Of course I inhaled. That was the point." Promises to try and end DEA raids are great, but he alone can't do that. He'll need the help of the House and Senate to change federal law and their approach to drug enforcement. I am not optimistic about federal legalization or further significant medical legalization over the next 8 years at all, no matter who gets nominated. I'm normally an optimist, but I think this country's mind is still largely closed on the topic of cannabis.

[Markass]

Ron Paul has as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as I do. (That's very low, particularly considering that I'm a Democrat.) This is an unfortunate reality. I respect and like what I've seen of him even though I'm still pretty far to his left.

Yeah, I think Obama is trying to separate his own history as a cannabis smoker from his political intentions. I guess I can understand that, as big a deal as was made of the fact that he said "Of course I inhaled. That was the point." Promises to try and end DEA raids are great, but he alone can't do that. He'll need the help of the House and Senate to change federal law and their approach to drug enforcement. I am not optimistic about federal legalization or further significant medical legalization over the next 8 years at all, no matter who gets nominated. I'm normally an optimist, but I think this country's mind is still largely closed on the topic of cannabis.

but as every candidate will agree on, everywhere they go, at least one person brings up the topic of medical marijuana..it's becoming less and less of a secret to this country, and with raids continuing, it's something that even the majority of the public will become to know of..

[angry nomad]

Ron Paul has as much chance of winning the Republican nomination as I do. (That's very low, particularly considering that I'm a Democrat.) This is an unfortunate reality. I respect and like what I've seen of him even though I'm still pretty far to his left.

Yeah, I think Obama is trying to separate his own history as a cannabis smoker from his political intentions. I guess I can understand that, as big a deal as was made of the fact that he said "Of course I inhaled. That was the point." Promises to try and end DEA raids are great, but he alone can't do that. He'll need the help of the House and Senate to change federal law and their approach to drug enforcement. I am not optimistic about federal legalization or further significant medical legalization over the next 8 years at all, no matter who gets nominated. I'm normally an optimist, but I think this country's mind is still largely closed on the topic of cannabis.

I respect your opinion, but calling a subjective opinion reality, doesn't make sense.

I'm not Left or Right. I was a Green, but I registered Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Many Democrats, Libertarians, Independents, and people who have never voted are doing the same.

Vote on the Michigan Republican debate - The Debates - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21209617)

[Robin_Goodfellow]

I wrote Obama and i received a repy stating that he doesn't support DEA raids on state legalized dispensaries and patients and he wouldn't continue the bush administrations position on it

[birdgirl73]

I respect your opinion, but calling a subjective opinion reality, doesn't make sense.

Are you for real? You might want to do some more reading and check out the poll numbers. Ron Paul isn't anywhere close to getting the Republican nomination. He doesn't even rank close to the top contenders.
Pollster.com (http://www.pollster.com/08presidentialprimary.php)

Trust me. This is reality. Not a subjective opinion. I'll save this thread in my notes so I can come back to it after the conventions and nominations and refresh your memory. You can see the polls on any news site or in any news magazine if you prefer to access them that way.

[the image reaper]

just recently, I read in a news article that the President can stop DEA intrusion into Medical MJ states, with a stroke of his pen ... it said the President can do it by decree, no need to involve Congress ... I'm only going by the article, don't know how true that is ... so far, all Democrat candidates have said they will stop the raids, (Obama being the last one to go along :wtf:) and zero Republicans will, being very anti-pot, in fact :mad: ... and Ron Paul ? ... wake up, he couldn't be elected Mayor in most cities ... disagree all you want, but you're gonna feel pretty silly when the polls close ... besides, the bastard wants to take away my Social Security and Medicare, that I paid for, all these years ... :smokin:

[Psycho4Bud]

so far, all Democrat candidates have said they will stop the raids

Believe only half of what ya read and less of what ya hear.

REMEMBER, this is the party that is concerned about everyones health.
REMEMBER, this is the party that wants to esculate the tax on smokes to a buck a pack.
REMEMBER the Clinton esculation of the drug war. (But I never inhaled...hehehe)
REMEMBER the false claims in the "06" elections that pulled in their vote.

Just watch how quickly that these peoples minds will change a day after they're elected. Face it, we have to wait untill the majority of states pass Med. Marijuana laws untill a politician in D.C. will actually step up to the plate.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[the image reaper]

Believe only half of what ya read and less of what ya hear.

REMEMBER, this is the party that is concerned about everyones health.
REMEMBER, this is the party that wants to esculate the tax on smokes to a buck a pack.
REMEMBER the Clinton esculation of the drug war. (But I never inhaled...hehehe)
REMEMBER the false claims in the "06" elections that pulled in their vote.

Just watch how quickly that these peoples minds will change a day after they're elected. Face it, we have to wait untill the majority of states pass Med. Marijuana laws untill a politician in D.C. will actually step up to the plate.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

I agree 100% with ya, but, I only report the news, I don't guarantee it ... but, that was the 'official' announcement the other day ... with Obama (reluctantly) going along with the idea of stopping DEA raids, the Socialists, sorry, I meant the 'Democrats', are all agreed now ... but, politicians promise the sun, moon, and stars BEFORE the election, right ? ... I'll vote Republican again, for my country's sake, but I secretly hope the Socialists, (oops, there I go again), win, so I dont lose my Soc. Sec. and Medicare ... :smokin:

[Psycho4Bud]

The much-discussed Belmont smoking ban received its final approval last night after a quick public hearing and discussion, City Clerk Terri Cook said last night.

The Belmont City Council approved the ordinance 3-2, with councilmen Bill Dickenson and Warren Lieberman in opposition. The law, which prohibits smoking in almost all public establishments, will go into effect in 30 days. Property owners will have 14 months to enforce the law via lease agreements.

The city made international news last year when the council began talking about an all-out ban of smoking within its borders. After months of discussion, the council settled on what will become one of the nationâ??s strictest smoking laws.

Smoking will be prohibited in all individual apartments, condominiums and townhouses and their patios or yards which share common floors or ceilings with at least one other such unit. City law already prohibits smoking in common areas of multi-use buildings such as apartments. The law makes no distinction between leased and owned units.

The ordinance will ban smoking in all workplaces, except in sole-proprietorship smoke shops. It will also ban smoking in all outdoor work places like outdoor cafes and restaurant patios.

Smoking will be also be prohibited 20 feet from any non-smoking areas.

Property owners would be required to insert no-smoking terms in their residential leases and those lease provisions would go into effect 14 months after adoption of the ordinance.
San Mateo Daily Journal (http://www.smdailyjournal.com/article_preview.php?id=81743)

California...home of the left wing. Now if anyone here is to tell me that these people are the ones to legalize ANY type of smoke; well, there is a difference between dreams and reality. YOUR smoke could drift through some walls and get somebody high ya know.:wtf:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[birdgirl73]

just recently, I read in a news article that the President can stop DEA intrusion into Medical MJ states, with a stroke of his pen ... it said the President can do it by decree, no need to involve Congress ... I'm only going by the article, don't know how true that is ...
This is good news if it's accurate. How wonderful that'd be!

Seems to me the most sensible thing for a President to do would be to issue his/her decree to stop DEA raids, assuming that's possible, and at the same time press all the congresspeople and senators to approve legislation to overturn federal law against cannabis. What a good combination that would be!

I like to dream big. I hope we see that in my lifetime. . . .

[Markass]

This is good news if it's accurate. How wonderful that'd be!

Seems to me the most sensible thing for a President to do would be to issue his/her decree to stop DEA raids, assuming that's possible, and at the same time press all the congresspeople and senators to approve legislation to overturn federal law against cannabis. What a good combination that would be!

I like to dream big. I hope we see that in my lifetime. . . .

I'm with you there birdgirl...I'm going to get involved with my state norml lady once I get some wheels and see about confronting those legislators who have ignored me..it's such an active topic now, and I plan to continue in my life advocating for it any chance I get..I'm sure there are many others like myself.

with continuing research into marijuana and its benefits, and the push for more to be done, it's becoming lesser of a secret as time goes on that marijuana most certainly helps people...I mean how many logical people can say...well 12 states say it works, so it must, right?

[TryptamineScape]

Smoking will be prohibited in all individual apartments, condominiums and townhouses and their patios or yards which share common floors or ceilings with at least one other such unit. City law already prohibits smoking in common areas of multi-use buildings such as apartments. The law makes no distinction between leased and owned units.



How can anyone get off telling you what you can and can't do in the privacy or your own dwelling? How is that not an invasion of privacy? It vexes me to know how far away from the constitution we've came in this great country. The constitution even states that if laws are made that are against it we have the right to ignore the laws...but tell "the man" that...

[andyspof]

This is good news if it's accurate. How wonderful that'd be!

Seems to me the most sensible thing for a President to do would be to issue his/her decree to stop DEA raids, assuming that's possible, and at the same time press all the congresspeople and senators to approve legislation to overturn federal law against cannabis. What a good combination that would be!

I like to dream big. I hope we see that in my lifetime. . . .

with the president being the chief executive officer in our country, that gives him total contol over all police actions, thats why we went to war in korea with out congress, it wasnt technically a war, but a 'police action'. The president has the power to waive any crime committed in our coutnry, a 'presidential pardon'. along with those rights, he has the right to order the dea, local police, state police, hell even the fbi to not go after anyone or any group he wants, which, if he wishes, would include medical marijuana users. why? because in technicalities, every branch of law enforcement is technically part of the executive branch. An example of this would be when the president sent in the natl. guard and had them order the state police to stand down and allow that black chick to go to the white school. FACT.