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Hydroponic Cabbage

10-09-2007, 03:05 AM

Hello I'm new here, and this is my very first post; as well as my very first grow. I've read a lot of the threads here, and I think I'm off to a pretty good start. I'm about two weeks into my grow; I have four plants right now in 3 gal pots. I'm using a 400 watt mh light for the vegetative stage, and will switch to a 400 hps for flowering. I have some pictures, and just wanted some feedback as to if everything looks o.k. or not.

Weedhound

10-09-2007, 05:03 AM

I hate to be the one to break this to you....but that is not hydroponics--it's soil. And those are NOT little cabbages either...:D

Why the size difference between the big two and the litte two?

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-09-2007, 01:41 PM

sorry the two biggest are about a week older than the other two. As far as the name; I saw it on a tv show and thought it was funny. Hopefully I'll be able to grow some hydro one day :D

FireTheft

10-09-2007, 02:51 PM

as far as feedback....next time fill the pots all the way up w/soil....

and if you are usiing a soiless mixtures like peat and perlite, technically that can be considered hydro.....it depends who you talk to

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-10-2007, 02:19 AM

Thanks for all the feedback guys i really appreciate it. I've been reading other peoples grow logs on here, and I've noticed that when a lot of people talk about watering they saying things like they're using 1/2 nuets and things like that. Iâ??m using miracle grow all purpose plant food every time I water. I use it per the directions on the box. Is this a bad thing or a good thing? Also some of the leaves are starting to curl as pictured; not sure if I should worry or not??? :wtf:

FireTheft

10-10-2007, 06:01 AM

you answered your question in your post my friend....

the curling is from the miracle grow. over nuting will result in curled tips, yellowing tips.

you should NOT be nuting AT ALL throughout the stage your in. NO nutes for the first 2 weeks...seedling have enough energy from their seed, and there is enough trace nutes in brand new soil (even if its soiless) to feed them for 2 weeks. After that time you can start to nute....you start out with 1/4 or less of the full dose....and you work your way up SLOWWWWWWLY. Keep close watch and learn how your plant reacts to nutes...every strain is different...some need more some less. if you start to see nute burn, back off....if not try adding a hair more at a time. I also would not recommend anything miracle grow. but you go that route your next grow....search the boards here and learn about the liquid nutes people use.

my suggestion to you is, back off the nutes, give your plants a moderate flush since youv'e probably over nuted them. and go about the nutes the way i described. also moderate the PH of your soil always...if it falls out of range you plants wont use the nutes

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-11-2007, 01:40 AM

^^^^^^^ Thanks FireTheft; I'm going to water them with some distilled water to try to flush them a little. Again thanks for the help.

blink_inc

10-11-2007, 10:56 PM

should be ok with plain tap water rested for a day. Check the PH...
Water the soil until at least 1/4 gallon has ran through the bottom.
Test the runoff while you are at it.

If you develop this as a habit you will always be aware of your PH and will be able to troubleshoot any problems that may arise later.

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-13-2007, 03:53 PM

Ok I think most of the curling has gone away. My two oldest plants are about 9" @ 3 weeks, and the other two are about 4" @ 2 weeks. Most places I look says I should wait until they are about 12" before starting the flowering stage, but the problem I'm having now is the temperature and humidity. If you can see in the picture it's like 105 F, and 20%. I have a cup of water directly under the light, and a fan that blows out of the closet. Any suggestions how I can fix this???

gt420z

10-13-2007, 06:11 PM

nice happy girls there. do u know what strain. maybe you should have the fan blowing into the area instead of out of. that what i do. it blows cold air from my bedroom onto the plants.

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-14-2007, 02:43 AM

Thanks....I'm using some bagseed so I'm not sure about the strain

Opie Yutts

10-14-2007, 05:10 AM

105 could be putting a strain on your plants. Also the leaf curl looks like it could be over watering. You want your medium to dry out almost completely between waterings. You need to get more ventilation to your plants. Try a fan in the middle of the floor blowing straight up at your lights, and put another fan at the top of your closet blowing the hot air out. This will make a huge difference in temps and probably solve your problem. Otherwise you'll need to invest in a cool tube or sealed hood and some ducting, or use a smaller light. HID lighting requires ventilation or things will be much too hot, like in your situation.

smokedaddy

10-14-2007, 04:23 PM

nice plants cabbage !!!!!:thumbsup: smokedaddy:rastasmoke:

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-14-2007, 04:51 PM

Thanks for the tips and complements guys...I already have a fan blowing the heat out, so I'm going to add one blowing directly on the light to see if i can get the temp down

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-15-2007, 02:02 PM

Help! Part of my MH bulb broke when I was away, and the exposed part burnt my two largest plants a little. I switched to my HPS light, but not sure if the plants can recover??? :(

partcleguy

10-15-2007, 02:55 PM

Hard to tell how they're doing under that light, but they look pretty good. Next time, or if you're transplanting, fill the pot up to the top with soil. When they're deep in the pot like that, the air in the pot will stagnate and is not good for them unless you got like a fan blowing straight down on them...

Opie Yutts

10-15-2007, 08:48 PM

Your plants will be fine. They may look like they are not growing for a week or so, while they recover from the sun burn, but they should take off nicely. I must disagree with partcleguy in that since you have heat problems, you definately don't want the fan blowing down on the plants. This will move more hot air down to the plants instead of away from them. If you have a fan at the bottom as I suggested, and have it blowing up onto your light, this will not only cool the light, but it will move hot air up and away from the plants and also keep the air from stagnating. It can even be a fairly small fan, so the precious middle area where light is the most intense can still be mostly taken up with weed. You just need a small hole in the center of your grow for the air to flow up to the light, maybe 3" diameter.

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-18-2007, 10:47 PM

I now have a light blowing directly on the light, and that has helped my temp out a great deal; so thanks Opie Yutts. I Just started the 12/12 flowering cycle today, so i will update with pics soon :D

Opie Yutts

10-19-2007, 12:32 AM

I'm very glad that did the trick. A simple fix to a horrible situation. I'm sure you mean that you have a fan blowing on the light. Looking forward to seeing pictures of those nugs.

As far as when to induce flowering, I noticed that you picked a time that seemed to be when most people do it. There is not a certain time for you to begin flowering. It depends entirely on your space available and other things, but mostly space. Some people skip flowering completely, some flower for several months. You can veg indefinitely, and and up with huge plants before you flower, thus also ending up with a much bigger yield than if you vegged a couple weeks. Just remember that they can double or triple in size once flowering starts, so plan accordingly.

Hydroponic Cabbage

10-26-2007, 01:53 AM

I'm about a week into the 12/12 cycle. I hope all continues to go well.:)

Opie Yutts

10-27-2007, 11:37 PM

Some people skip flowering completely, some flower for several months.

What a dork. Of course I meant veg.

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-01-2007, 01:38 AM

bad news...two of my plants appear to be males. I separated them from the others; so hopefully they're not :(

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-07-2007, 02:39 AM

My last two plants are female; so I'm really happy about that. :D I'm about three weeks into flowering, I think the plants look pretty good so far. They're aprox. 3' tall; but not really sure how much taller they are going to get.:question: I will continue to update with pics :thumbsup:

Opie Yutts

11-07-2007, 03:27 AM

not really sure how much taller they are going to get.

Looking real good so far. I'm guessing they could get up two feet taller than they are now. Thanks for the update.

Opie Yutts

11-07-2007, 03:31 AM

I have a suggestion for you.

Fan leaves are important, but not as important as your precious bud sites. Always do your best to leave fan leaves on your plant. However if some are blocking the light from a nice bud, or bud to be, be sure to move, bend, gently break but leave intact, or completely remove the them, in descending order of preferance.

Mr. Clandestine

11-07-2007, 06:47 PM

I also don't like to remove any fan leaves, or any other foliage that aren't likely to harbor any good buds. Instead, I've added supplemental lighting to the bottom of my plants, which seems to help buds areas that don't receive as much HID light fill out better.

I've made a very simple fixture that adds lower light, doesn't produce much heat, and can be placed directly between the pots...adding plenty of supplemental light to the lower branches. This may not be very economical if you're growing a large number of plants, but it works just fine for ten plants or less. Here's what I did:

I took a 150W desk lamp, added (2) 2-into-1 socket extenders (giving a total of 4 open sockets), and added four 32W (I think) CFL's. Just be sure that the overall wattage of the CFL's doesn't exceed the original output of the lamp, and you shouldn't have any problems with heat, shorting, etc. I also keep all of my growroom utilities plugged into a industrial sized surge-protector, just to be safe. But I've never had a problem with any of the utilities, or the surge protector, getting overloaded or hot.

Give that a shot before you start relentlessly cutting branches that aren't receiving enough light. Your plant will need the precious energy from those leaves when in full-bloom.

Opie Yutts

11-07-2007, 10:53 PM

Great idea.

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-08-2007, 02:46 AM

Thanks for the advice guys :thumbsup:...What I'm going to do is see how many leaves I rearrange first; until I can get some cfl's

smokenss

11-08-2007, 05:21 AM

ive found that moving leaves in gr8( just tuck them behind the clostest bud site), but im trying extra light too at the moment with 4ft fluros its seems to have worked ok so far 17 days into flower and the plants r more compact than anything others iv grown b4.
happy growing

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-16-2007, 02:38 AM

I'm 4 weeks into flower now...I think plants look o.k.; they're about 4' tall. I'll update with pics a little latter :)

Hennessy1414

11-16-2007, 03:46 AM

I'm 4 weeks into flower now...I think plants look o.k.; they're about 4' tall. I'll update with pics a little latter :)

soon i hope :rastasmoke:

ButchieYost2001

11-16-2007, 09:45 PM

First Post!!! Turned out I didn't validate my account correctly 2 months ago...I have been "waiting" patiently for approval from mod!! New account today, activated properly...
Now, this is my first grow in 13 years. Got some clones from a friend of a friend as they were moving and couldn't take with, needless to say, they were deficient in EVERY aspect. So with some research on CannCom I have found pretty much everything I need.
Here are a few pics of "the Plant that Lived" (Harry Potter reference!)

Let me know if I need to anything, all comments appreciated. And if I could get a reply from stinkyattic, I may just react like a New Kids on the Block bloke in the 80's!!

PS - I also added a pic of 4 clones of my flowering Mama (these have now been flowering for a few days)

spongebobsmokepants

11-16-2007, 11:49 PM

Beautiful garder bro!
:smokin:

Opie Yutts

11-16-2007, 11:59 PM

Ah crap, here I thought I was going to have the honor of being the first to welcome you, then wouldn't you know it, SB beat me to it. Anyway, welcome to the forums. Glad to have you Butchie.

I'm not sure why you didn't start your own thread, unless you need a certain number of posts first, but those are some nice looking plants. I see you like to sleep with them as well. Good for you. They like that, hot boxing all your CO2. My only suggestion is that if it ain't broke, don't fix it, except you could always add more light to fatten up those nugs a little more. And I don't know what color your bulbs are, but you probably already know from 13 years ago that you want reddish wavelength (2200K) for budding and bluish (5700K) for vegging.

Is that the nose of a Chesapeake Bay Retriever in one of the photos?

Again, welcome.

ButchieYost2001

11-17-2007, 03:14 PM

Hey Opie,
thanks for you comments! The nose belongs to a Weimeraner, even more of a spaz than the books will lead you to believe, GREAT practice for kids!!
Question on nutes.....
I starved my main plant and 4 clones about 4 or 5 days, as I was waiting on my nutes. Fed them Dyna-Gro Liquid Bloom 3-12-6, and they took 2 gallons with a little run-out, (suggestion, plastic tops to cd-r spindles are great to have your plants sit on as you water/feed-allows extra to leech out). I havent ever tested Ph, so I was wondering what schedule of feeding should be....2 feedings every 2 or 3 days and then plain water? I know more isn't better, but they have been starved for so long! BTW, during veg i was using Schultz 20-20-20 and fed once a week. RAMBLING.... Before I got my nutes I was giving them Molasses and Guano-Gro (pics attatched) with every water, if i'm not making any sense stop me!!

I couldn't start my own thread so please come back, dont know how many posts are required

ButchieYost2001

11-17-2007, 08:48 PM

I cant imagine what these would be looking like had I used an HPS for flowering!! 30 days in and Im guessing I will need 3-4 more weeks
Over and Out/10-4

Opie Yutts

11-17-2007, 10:09 PM

Those are looking nice and healthy. When you add nutrients to your watering schedules there are a few ways you can do it. Your nutes probably have directions for recirculating systems. For my dirt plants, I do half that amount about every other watering, or exactly that amount every 4th watering. Seems to work out pretty well. Of course it is best if you under do it whenever trying something new. They won't die and they won't fry that way. You can always add a little more next time.

And yes, I never throw away those plastic CD tops. Another thing I use them for is humidity domes for individual youngsters. I usually buy the 50 or 100 pack, so the domes are 6" tall or something.

I hope that's not green light I see in the 3rd picture in the first set. Probably not.

I also hope Cabbage doesn't mind you borrowing his/her thread a little. Probably not.

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-18-2007, 07:18 AM

Sorry I was away...didn't have time to update pics, but welcome Butchie; your plants look really great...and finially I have some new pics :D

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-18-2007, 07:29 AM

I also hope Cabbage doesn't mind you borrowing his/her thread a little. Probably not. No not at all :thumbsup:

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-23-2007, 02:18 AM

I'm now into week 5 of flowering...The plant on the right has a significant height difference than the plant on the left, but the plant on the left seems to have more bud growth. (even though they're the same age) Also some to the pistils (but not a lot) are stating to turn brown...not too sure if this is normal to be only 5 weeks in :confused:

Opie Yutts

11-24-2007, 02:46 AM

Wow, that's a far cry from those tiny babies you showed us in your first post of this thread. Good job. Just for fun hit the page 1 button and see the transformation. Nice. Aint nature cool?

And yes browning hairs are normal for this time. So are the blond and the brunnet ones.

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-25-2007, 05:19 AM

Just for fun hit the page 1 button and see the transformation. Nice. Aint nature cool? Yeah it is...I've never tried to grow anything in my life....so hopefully this continues to go well. :)

ButchieYost2001

11-28-2007, 02:36 AM

Well,
here is the one "big" plant I have 38 days into flower, plus 3 of 4 clones that are now 22 days in. What do y'all think? I have done this mostly with a 250w MH and A LOT of CFL's, but I have a 400w HPS on the way!! I think I will install it when the "big" plant is done, or should I just put it in and let it have it for the last couple weeks?
Pic1 - My good plant with LOTS of bud sites
Pic2 - Close up of 1 bud, rest of plant in background
Pic3 - 1 clone 13 days in
Pic4 - the 3 in sort of glory... - nevermind, file too big!!
Pic5 - flower closet (soon to have a 400w hps!)

ButchieYost2001

11-28-2007, 02:42 AM

OK - here we go!!!

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-28-2007, 04:04 AM

Nice looking plants :thumbsup:

I think I will install it when the "big" plant is done, or should I just put it in and let it have it for the last couple weeks?

Let it have it for the last couple weeks

Opie Yutts

11-28-2007, 05:17 AM

I see you like to hang out with your plants in the living room. You are a true friend to your plants.

If you have the space and it's not too much trouble, I would put the light in asap. However you may find that with the bigger light and bigger venting requirements, you may just be better off waiting a little.

ButchieYost2001

11-28-2007, 07:06 AM

Not hanging out with them, just take em out every week or 10 days to fully and completely water and inspect them.... if I treat them with respect, maybe they will treat me tha same?!?!?! Well I havent seen ANY stress or probs with them recently, so I decided to roll the dice and REALLY give them some food.
9 liters of water mixed with:
3 tbsp of molasses
1 tbsp of bat guano
3/4 tbsp of Bloom - Dyna-Gro 3-12-6

I have never really pushed them along, this may have been quite a nice nudge!!4 hours later and they show no ill side-effects, we will see how they look in 6 hours!! Who knows, tomorrow morning might be a huge flushing!!

ButchieYost2001

11-28-2007, 07:08 AM

ButchieYost2001

11-28-2007, 07:12 AM

Hydroponic Cabbage

11-30-2007, 05:52 AM

I'm now in week 6 of flowering so just wanted to update with a few pics. Decided to use some molasses when I watered earlier today; hope it has a positive effect. :jointsmile:

ButchieYost2001

11-30-2007, 06:03 AM

MUCH more girth than your last post... babies are puttin on some weight!! I have noticed great effects from the molasses, density is obvious, but I did notice it may starve nitrogen from the plants.... ALL of the stems to my fan leaves are a deep purple (not sure if this is a strain trait), but regardless I continue to use the molasses.

Kepp me updated on your progress!!

Hydroponic Cabbage

12-07-2007, 05:33 AM

I'm now into week 7 of flowering, I can hardly wait to cut them down at this point; but I'll continue to be patient :rasta: Sorry about the picture quality my digital camera won't work :( I had to use my cell phone. On a positive note though the molasses seem to be working well :)

Hydroponic Cabbage

12-19-2007, 02:42 AM

I'm now approaching week 9 of flowering. The trich's seem to be a little cloudy, but none of them are amber yet. The only thing I'm worried about is that is there seems to be a lot of hairs, but doesn't seem to be budding a lot (buds seem a little skinny :( ). Not sure if this is a problem or not, but any advice will be much appreciated.(I will update with pics in a few to give a better idea or what I'm talking about)

Hydroponic Cabbage

12-19-2007, 07:28 AM

Here's some pics...again sorry about the quality.

Hydroponic Cabbage

12-30-2007, 07:25 AM

I just harvested the tallest of the two plants today. Seems like it took me forever to trim the leaves, but I was able to make it through it :). I'm going to let the shorter one flower for another week; it's just now I'm on pins and needles because I can't wait to smoke the finished product.:jointsmile:

hydrocannabis

12-30-2007, 12:57 PM

looks killer.bro.

Opie Yutts

01-01-2008, 12:01 AM

As my grandpa always used to say: What's wrong with that? (it's a good thing)

Hydroponic Cabbage

01-05-2008, 06:05 PM

Thanks for the complements guys I just put the buds in jars today :)...to give a smoke report it has a really good head high that last for a couple hours (i don't remember the original bag being this good) and when I put in the grinder; it was such a thrill not to have to pick out any seeds. I think I'm going to let the other plant flower for another week until most of the trichs turn amber(I wanna see what the difference in the high is). So wish me luck.

Opie Yutts

01-05-2008, 09:21 PM

I think I'm going to let the other plant flower for another week until most of the trichs turn amber(I wanna see what the difference in the high is).

I hope you have someone lined up to come peel you off the couch once you haven't been heard from for a few days.

Hydroponic Cabbage

01-06-2008, 07:45 PM

I've read that it sticks you to the couch...I'm almost afraid to try it, but we'll see :jointsmile:

Hydroponic Cabbage

01-09-2008, 03:29 AM

sorry forgot to mention my final dry weight for the first plant was 37 grams so I was happy about that :)

Opie Yutts

01-09-2008, 05:24 AM

For those of us who aren't gram guys, that's about 1 1/3 oz. How fast do you guys go through an ounce? When I have all I want, I can easily go through 2 ounces per month. That's not counting sharing any. I want to learn to cook better, but smoking is just too damn handy.

Still looking forward to that ALL AMBER smoke report.

Opie Yutts

01-10-2008, 12:11 AM

AT, you could give us your version of an All Amber report as well.

Hydroponic Cabbage

01-16-2008, 05:54 AM

How fast do you guys go through an ounce? When I have all I want, I can easily go through 2 ounces per month. That's not counting sharing any.

It'll usually will last me almost a month or so...depends on the quality of the bud.

Still looking forward to that ALL AMBER smoke report.

Thanks for all your complements guys...but I still haven't harvested yet. For some reason this plant is taking a little longer that the other one did. :confused:

Hydroponic Cabbage

01-16-2008, 06:04 AM

Oh...I also wanted to get you guys opinion on this cabinet i have that measures 24 deep X 48 X 76 tall. Trying to plan out my next grow, and was wondering if this cab would work to run a 400w hps dwc grow? (with proper ventilation of course) I'm still in the planning phase; so a lot could change before I even start my next grow. (kinda just playing around with ideas)

Opie Yutts

01-16-2008, 09:48 PM

I don't see why that wouldn't work, my 400W is in a space smaller than that, but then again the front is open so venting is not a big issue as yours would be if you keep the doors closed. The way that is set up already with the 3 sections, I would seriously consider 2 250W. One MH and one HPS with a separate veg and bud chamber. That way you could harvest twice as often, if that matters to you. It's really nice to be able to harvest and immediately be able to start more plants flowering. However I'm not sure you would get anymore bud overall that way if you use the same amount of space either way. If you take out that middle support keep in mind that might be important for load bearing reasons.

Hydroponic Cabbage

02-01-2008, 06:47 AM

Sorry I haven't updated in a while. It's been almost 16 weeks and I think all the trichs are about amber so I'm going to harvest this weekend, but I wanted to show some final pics before I do.:)

As far as the cab; I'm going to start a new thread in the indoor section as soon as I get everything up an running. I think I'm going to run 2 400w mh cool tubes in a recirculating DWC...

So wish me luck :D

Hydroponic Cabbage

02-03-2008, 04:20 AM

Just harvested my second plant today...I was looking at pics from the 1st plant compared to this one; and the buds on this one seem to be a lot more dense (can't wait to see what the smoke is like :jointsmile:)

Opie Yutts

02-03-2008, 05:39 AM

Nice feeling isn't it? Too see your work finally come together and hanging up to dry.

Seems like you're making extra work for yourself by tying each bud onto the shelves. When I dry on those same kind of shelves I bend the stem an inch or so from the bottom, then I can hang it over one of the wires at the bend, and stick the very end of the stem under an adjacent wire. The weight of the bud keeps the end of the stem pushing up on the wire, and it's held nicely in place.

Good going.

denial102

02-03-2008, 05:58 AM

a lovely job. Well done! thankyou for sharing!

New2Dro

02-04-2008, 04:07 PM

This grow seemed to be going well aside for a few minor scraps and burses... Bag seeds??? :jointsmile:

Hydroponic Cabbage

02-05-2008, 02:15 AM

Thanks for all the complements guys. :)

This grow seemed to be going well aside for a few minor scraps and burses... Bag seeds??? :jointsmile:

Yeah there were a couple setbacks, but all and all it went by pretty smooth; and yes all of it is bag seed.