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bluntblaze

10-07-2007, 06:19 AM

The PS3 is only marginally more powerful than the Xbox 360, but because it is incredibly difficult to develop for, chances of any game looking like that in real time on the PS3 is pretty much slim to none. Plus The GTA creators haven't put out any games with breathtaking graphics, so I wouldn't hold my breath on them ever doing something like that.

it doesn't bother me that the ps3 is more powerful.. that doesn't mean much at all.
and of course its gonna be harder to develop on.. because the ps3s got better graphics.
and plus graphics are only gonna get better.. so maybe a game that looks like that isn't that far away.

Nailhead

10-07-2007, 09:04 PM

^It's not more complicated because it has better graphics, it's more complicated because Sony purposely made their PS3 difficult to develop for. They assumed they would be number 1 like they were with the PS2, and if you make a console that is number 1 and hard to code for, most developers will only develop for that console because it is too hard to transfer the code to other systems, thus giving Sony more exclusives. That plan, however, backfired on them. Now, because their system is in 3rd place, many developers are not spending as much time getting to know the PS3 system since in the end, they won't be able to sell nearly as many games than if they make one for the Xbox 360 or even the little Wii.

So because it's so hard to squeeze the power from the PS3, most PS3 games will look about the same as they would on a 360, with a few exceptions that look marginally better. That margin isn't very large, however, and because the 360 is somewhat easier for developers, it should be easier to get the most out of the 360 system. In the end its all about the finished product, not what a game could look like, and so far much of what I've seen on the PS3 isn't really any different than what the best games on the Xbox 360 look like. A perfect example is if you compare Motorstorm to it's original target video, the target video looks amazing, but the actual game doesn't look great at all, and suffers from low framerate.

Gothen

10-07-2007, 10:34 PM

No offense but I'm not really gonna believe a guy who obviously is biased, and who has a 360 infused with a cannabis leaf for his avatar.

Then again, I don't really believe anything anyone says on message boards because no one really has an opinion, because none of us know what we're really saying. We have no inside information that we know to be true, especially when it comes to what developers are doing and for what reasons etc etc.

I'll believe it when I read the developer say that. Or if I read actual scientific testimony etc etc.

Plus ,I'm biased towards the PS3, because I had the 360 Elite and I just got the PS3 about a month ago; I like the PS3 better. The 360 just felt too simplistic too me. I don't know. I just don't think either company really has it down, though.

Now the Wii...that's innovation.

SantaClawz

10-07-2007, 10:54 PM

Yeah thats just a CG video from APB. But the PS3 Vs. 360 debate will go one forever. Face the facts, Playstation is not on top anymore, their launch line up sucked, and they lost most if not all of thier exclusives(GTA, Final Fantasy, ect.) Personally I could careless if it was more "powerful" and could produce better graphics. If there isnt any games to start off with, whats the point? Besides the graphics are to a point now that you cant really tell the difference and most companies are now working on smaller details like particle effects and such. But dont get me wrong PS3 is gonna have some badass games to be released such as Metal gear and Heavenly Sword, but in the end all ps3 is, is an over priced, over zealous, blu-ray dvd player. I was actually reading an article the other night. Apparently Wii has outsold both others by a long shot, and is still having trouble with supply problems. The exec has already stated the the supply problems will still be around until even after christmas. My guess is that the system is cheaper and so is the software. Money talks.

usedchemicals

10-08-2007, 01:19 AM

I'll believe it when I read the developer say that. Or if I read actual scientific testimony etc etc.
Now the Wii...that's innovation.

Then why don't you look up some online articles about the PS3 and the 360?

I'm sure that they'll say the exact same thing he did

MadSativa

10-08-2007, 02:24 AM

thats APB its coming out soon enough

poiuyt

10-08-2007, 03:10 AM

Yeah thats just a CG video from APB. But the PS3 Vs. 360 debate will go one forever. Face the facts, Playstation is not on top anymore, their launch line up sucked, and they lost most if not all of thier exclusives(GTA, Final Fantasy, ect.) Personally I could careless if it was more "powerful" and could produce better graphics. If there isnt any games to start off with, whats the point? Besides the graphics are to a point now that you cant really tell the difference and most companies are now working on smaller details like particle effects and such. But dont get me wrong PS3 is gonna have some badass games to be released such as Metal gear and Heavenly Sword, but in the end all ps3 is, is an over priced, over zealous, blu-ray dvd player.

Just wait and see. And have you forgotten about the even cheaper ps3 model? Still has all the goodies with a 40gb hard drive.

The ps3 will win this console war. Not now, but in the long run.

MadSativa

10-08-2007, 03:24 AM

Just wait and see. And have you forgotten about the even cheaper ps3 model? Still has all the goodies with a 40gb hard drive.

The ps3 will win this console war. Not now, but in the long run.

Huh, he thinks this is a new thing gaming, consols just came out for the first time. When PS1, and PS2 came out it was the same, slow at first, then after the first year the games start to come out and the gaming starts all over agian. As of right now PS3 is supporting a bunch of PS2 games casue thats all that is out but when the games change over to the new format in the next year it is gonna be cool. I got 360 and Halo 3 is cool but after a while I want what even just PS2 has to offer, which is online games that are free, and plentifull and full of good game play and good graphics. Gears came out and the first 2 months it was a hit online and now it has droped and leveled off. I cant wait for better PS3 games cause then I get one, Supposably Christmas is coming out with a SOCOM Package. That would be nice considering Im gonna need blutooth everything, cant wait to see the new Gran Turismo stering wheel set up.

Nailhead

10-08-2007, 04:51 AM

No offense but I'm not really gonna believe a guy who obviously is biased, and who has a 360 infused with a cannabis leaf for his avatar.

I should also add that I don't even own an Xbox 360 :o I had one for a while, but had to sell it. I've been reading up and following Microsoft on this Xbox thing ever since a month before Xbox 1 was released, I'm nerd like that :cool:

I know most people, despite what they say, are biased one way or another, and in the end each individual has a personal reason for liking one console over another. However, speaking business wise, I think Sony made a horrible gamble with the PS3. Their has been insider rumors that this will be their last console because it's cost the company so much money, and Sony isn't doing as hot financially as it use to. I doubt that will happen though, at most they will just do PS4 differently, IE, more cost effectively. Even if the PS3 tanks, Sony could rebound. Microsoft isn't exactly doing things perfectly on their side, I'm still ticked off that there isn't a hard drive in between the useless 20gb model, and the expensive as hell 120gb model. Who really needs 120 gigs anyway? I'd be happy with 60!

One thing I want to respond about the new PS3 40 gb version, you aren't getting "all the same goodies" with that model. They took out the multi-card reader, and it isn't backwards compatible either. But really, I doubt anybody will care about that stuff, when I got my PS2 I only played 1 of my older PS1 games for a short time, and when I got my 360 the only game I played was Halo 2. If I had an HDTV I'd want a PS3 for the BluRay player, but as of now I haven't seen any games that make me interested.

Oh yea, I totally want a Wii. Mostly for the classic games but also the newer ones too...and of course...cause its cheap. Microsoft's stupid core and their arcade games can't even compete with the games Nintendo has for download

Gothen

10-08-2007, 05:06 AM

One thing I want to respond about the new PS3 40 gb version, you aren't getting "all the same goodies" with that model. They took out the multi-card reader, and it isn't backwards compatible either. But really, I doubt anybody will care about that stuff, when I got my PS2 I only played 1 of my older PS1 games for a short time, and when I got my 360 the only game I played was Halo 2. If I had an HDTV I'd want a PS3 for the BluRay player, but as of now I haven't seen any games that make me interested.

Oh yea, I totally want a Wii. Mostly for the classic games but also the newer ones too...and of course...cause its cheap. Microsoft's stupid core and their arcade games can't even compete with the games Nintendo has for download

Not only does it not come with that stuff, but it also only has 2 USB ports, as well.

I completely agree that Sony has not only made a HUGE freaking gamble with the PS3, but I also feel they've alienated most, if not the GREAT majority, of their fans because of such things as high cost, low product delivery. Sony has not only made a product that isn't the "complete home media entertain system" that it was seeking to be, but it has also made a product that, now, has lost most of the respect of the gaming community simply because of cost.

The Elite version may be 500 dollars, but the reason why I bought the Elite version is because I felt it was worth the money. I'm one of those people who used nearly all of the 120 gigs in the mere 3 months I had the system. My 60 gig PS3 has only 15 gigs left and I've had it a month.

Don't get me wrong, I am exTREMELY pissed at Sony; I'm also extremely pissed at myself because I reinforced their ridiculous product pricing by paying the 500 dollars for the 60 gig.

I, however, have faith that Sony will redeem itself in the near future with the great lineup of games coming out.

And if all else fails, *bleep* it, at least I can play GOWIII and FF...=/

SantaClawz

10-08-2007, 10:38 PM

Just wait and see. And have you forgotten about the even cheaper ps3 model? Still has all the goodies with a 40gb hard drive.

The ps3 will win this console war. Not now, but in the long run.

But they took out the backwards combatibility.
And made all the people that bought the more expensive version feel like they had been cheated. But that same goes for the 360 elite, people payed to extra for "the best" and then less then a year later theres already a better version? Bullshit.

On another note my friend has a Wii, and he loves it, apparently nintendo is trying to build up thier library of classic games(NES, SNES, N64). But they sell them for more then its worth, especially when my modded XBOX(1) has all the emulators on it in the first place.

Nation_1ne

10-09-2007, 02:11 PM

Wow, I haven't seen this video in a long time. I remember this being quite old to be honest. When the video was first released there was a lot of talk about it representing GTA and it's next title on 360. However this isn't the case, it is in fact another game:

www.apb.com (http://www.apb.com)

Apparently it's made my the same dev team who made Crackdown along with another team. At least that's the impression I got.

With regards to the console market I'd say that 360 is the best buy at the moment since it has more titles than the PS3 and Wii.

"If there isn't any games to start off with, whats the point?" 360 didn't come out with many titles, and the Wii sure as hell didn't. Seeing that the Wii's only real games were Red Steel (a lot of varied reviews.), Zelda TP (amazing but not even an official Wii game), and obviously Wii sports. Nintendo are in the same position as Sony when it comes to titles, they are selling on the promise of future releases.

With regards about the sales of the Wii booming, lets not forget the 360 doesn't sell that well in Japan which I feel makes quite a difference.

I've played all 3 consoles and I really can't say one is better than the other when it comes to playing them. The only issue is the lack of titles, which 360 wins hands down for me at the moment. People fail to realise that all 3 consoles are actually really good, and a lot of fun. But as I previously stated the PS3 is undesirable at the moment due to the lack of titles. As someone else said, in this situation they have shot themselves in the foot. Not as many people are willing to develop or port games to PS3 because of the coding issues. PS3 uses a different method of coding than the 360. It is apparently a lot more complex and it is a lot lot harder to find issues in the coding than with the 360. So although I think the PS3 is an immensely fun console to play, unless more people develop games for it it's future doesn't look that good.

expandingeye

10-09-2007, 10:58 PM

haha your guys' debate is funny.
this apb game looks pretty fuckin sweet. i had never seen the video it is obviously old.
this game is supposed to be like gta online for 360.

poiuyt

10-09-2007, 11:57 PM

But they took out the backwards combatibility.
And made all the people that bought the more expensive version feel like they had been cheated. But that same goes for the 360 elite, people payed to extra for "the best" and then less then a year later theres already a better version? Bullshit.

On another note my friend has a Wii, and he loves it, apparently nintendo is trying to build up thier library of classic games(NES, SNES, N64). But they sell them for more then its worth, especially when my modded XBOX(1) has all the emulators on it in the first place.

Backward capability is not important for this generation gaming. The is a drastic difference from graphics and gameplay from last gen to this gen. People with a ps3 won't say "hey, let me get that ps2 or ps1 game for my ps3"

Let's go to the wii. What has the wii to offer?

-Laughable last generation graphics (compared to the 360 or ps3)

-No HD capability, which in a couple of years is going to be EVEN bigger than it is now.

-They will rely on the 10000000 zelda and mario games they put out.

Face it, the wii is done for once people get bored of its new controller. And in ALL my experiences playing the wii (different ones) that controller was buggy as hell. The one thing that will give the wii another popularity boost is smash bros.

By the end of 2008, the wii will have its console for sale at 125$ with smash bros included. That alone will not lead it to victory in the console war. It's out.

The classic library you mentioned is quite frankly an attempt for more buyers. Emulators are free.

Nation_1ne

10-10-2007, 12:14 AM

Backward capability is not important for this generation gaming. The is a drastic difference from graphics and gameplay from last gen to this gen. People with a ps3 won't say "hey, let me get that ps2 or ps1 game for my ps3"

I disagree, Backwards compatibility is very important to people. If you have a whole catalogue of games then you want to play them on the one console. What about games that are in a series? MGS for example. People will buy the new one and then maybe want to re visit the previous games. I can assure you they'd much rather play it on the beast of a machine they have set up already, rather than drag out their crappy old console that's half eaten by moths.

Let's go to the wii. What has the wii to offer?

-Laughable last generation graphics (compared to the 360 or ps3)

-No HD capability, which in a couple of years is going to be EVEN bigger than it is now.

-They will rely on the 10000000 zelda and mario games they put out.

Fair points but a bit too dramatic. The graphics are in no way competition to 360 and PS3, but they are still good enough.

No HD, enough said. I agree it's terrible.

Another valid point mate, they are relying a lot on he classics but so do the other consoles. Lets not forget they haven't been around anywhere near as long as Nintendo either. However I do have some faith in them and I hope some bigger dev's will bring in some great new titles.

Face it, the wii is done for once people get bored of its new controller. And in ALL my experiences playing the wii (different ones) that controller was buggy as hell. The one thing that will give the wii another popularity boost is smash bros.

By the end of 2008, the wii will have its console for sale at 125$ with smash bros included. That alone will not lead it to victory in the console war. It's out.

The classic library you mentioned is quite frankly an attempt for more buyers. Emulators are free.

I just don't think the Wii is done for, it seems to have a lot of potential and in the Homebrew communities also. There main problem is games, if they can get that sorted then they are flying.

snowblind

10-12-2007, 02:00 AM

shinoda aint too bad, give him more cred now. just got dj green lantern mixtape of the rising tied. its fucking sick. theres an awesome remix of a song with a sweet child of mine sample.

reps.

slipknotpsycho

10-12-2007, 02:06 AM

actually, ps3 graphics aren't marginally more powerful.... ps3 is using less than 30% of it's full potential, while 360 is pretty much tapped.... if you're gonna turn this into a xbox vs. ps3 debate, alteast get your facts straight.....

btw that info comes from game devolopers... not stand alone researchers, nor either company....

Nailhead

10-12-2007, 05:17 AM

Backward capability is not important for this generation gaming. The is a drastic difference from graphics and gameplay from last gen to this gen. People with a ps3 won't say "hey, let me get that ps2 or ps1 game for my ps3"

Let's go to the wii. What has the wii to offer?

-Laughable last generation graphics (compared to the 360 or ps3)

-No HD capability, which in a couple of years is going to be EVEN bigger than it is now.

-They will rely on the 10000000 zelda and mario games they put out.

Face it, the wii is done for once people get bored of its new controller. And in ALL my experiences playing the wii (different ones) that controller was buggy as hell. The one thing that will give the wii another popularity boost is smash bros.

By the end of 2008, the wii will have its console for sale at 125$ with smash bros included. That alone will not lead it to victory in the console war. It's out.

The classic library you mentioned is quite frankly an attempt for more buyers. Emulators are free.

You are a hardcore gamer, the Ninteno Wii's target audience are casual gamers. Comparing the Wii to the PS3 or 360 is an apples to oranges discussion. You and other hardcore gamers may get bored with the Wii, but many people are not, and the thing is still hard to find in stores. In Japan the Wii is selling 4 times more than Sony is selling their PS3, pretty amazing for a company everybody thought was on their last console, (including me). lol Of course the funny part I find is that as bad as the PS3 is selling in Japan, it's still blowing away the 360 sales numbers haha

actually, ps3 graphics aren't marginally more powerful.... ps3 is using less than 30% of it's full potential, while 360 is pretty much tapped.... if you're gonna turn this into a xbox vs. ps3 debate, alteast get your facts straight.....

btw that info comes from game devolopers... not stand alone researchers, nor either company....

My point was that because the PS3 is so difficult to develop for, most developers simply won't spend the time figuring out how to tap into the rest of the power. It could be a billion times faster than the Xbox 360, but if they can never make the graphics that much better looking than the 360, why does it matter other than somehow justifying the ridiculous price?

But to be honest, I don't care about Xbox 360 vs PS3 arguments. Each system has a need for certain people, and I really don't care who buys what. Besides, I want all 3 systems for various reasons, so just because I have a 360 for my icon thing, (sorry, brainfarted and can't remember what that's called), doesn't mean I'm some crazed Microsoft fanboy...I just happen to like that system enough to make it into a graphic.

But with that said, PS3 sucks :p just kidding hehe

slipknotpsycho

10-12-2007, 08:34 AM

if the fact ps3 isn't even using one third of it's power doesn't seem reason enough to you to be worthwhile to go out of your way to develope a game on it then you really are missing the point...

it means the potential is more than 3x that of the 360.. it means the devs finally have a system capable of making the holy grail of video games they have all fantasized and dreamed about making, but were limited beforehand due to the lack of system power.

it's the other way around, why should the devs waste their time developing on a weaker system, when they could not only make the game equal on ps3, but take it one step further and surpass it....

Nailhead

10-12-2007, 09:29 AM

Developers are not making games to make the prettiest game ever, they are in it to make money. As a developer, you want to make a game that can be sold to as many customers as possible. It doesn't matter if the PS3 was 3 times more powerful, (which it isn't), people won't buy a system with no games, and developers won't make a game for a system with few potential customers.

A new console needs to use it's first few months to build a decent userbase, Sony has not succeeded in doing that, so there is little incentive for a developer to spend heavily on a PS3 game. This is why so many of the PS3 games are also on the 360. From a developers point of view, you have the Xbox 360 which is far easier to develop for and has a good bit of potential customers, while the PS3 is complex, and not nearly as many potential customers. The PS3 is simply a bigger risk for a developer, and few developers can afford that risk so they don't spend heavily on development for it.

slipknotpsycho

10-12-2007, 10:20 AM

um..... devs do want to make a 'pretty game' the more expansive it is, and the better itlooks, the better it sells, period. and 360 didn' exactly start off a good base of games either, nor did xbox.... it's an accepted fact that most systems start off with a base of mediocre games.... one exception would have been LoZ:OoT on 64....

and if you don't believe me about it being that much mor epowerful look up the links yourself... i'm not wasting my time again to show someone and them do the whole christian thing and instead of accepting it, just weasel out of it by changing the subject to somethign completely unrelated....

btw, in a buisness you always take risks, the greater the risk usually the greater the payout, although, there's not as much risk involved as you'd like to think... and ask any dev if you don't believe me... everyone of the team, that's actually into what they do, want to make the ultimate game... graphic wise, story wise, and game play wise....

btw, ps3 is already catching up in sales.... so yes, tehy are getting close to just as many customers... links are in the gaming section matter of fact.... xbox has fallen 61% while ps3 has risen 125%.. give or take a few %

btw if you don't anna debate/argue over this, then stop replying to my posts.... it's just that easy... as long as you come back, i will too... i'm hard headed and i never give up... i'm not someone to back down...

snowblind

10-13-2007, 02:28 AM

god this ps3 vs xbox 360 debate is the most drawn out retarded thing ever. its been on so many threads. i even got banned for my comments on one. there is no one console that is better than another, down to the simple fact of taste. whilst a million statistics could be used to prove a million different things, if you don't like something you dont like it.

that said i will be buying a ps3 for mgs4 and that only.

peace out

Nailhead

10-13-2007, 05:20 AM

um..... devs do want to make a 'pretty game' the more expansive it is, and the better itlooks, the better it sells, period.

Then how in the world did Nintendo become the most profitable console company? Stop taking what I'm saying so personal, I really don't care about what console you or anybody else is playing, I'm only even mentioning the differences because somebody posted a comment saying the game in this topic "could only be done on the PS3", which is incorrect and that is all I care about pointing out. If you really care to discuss which system is better in your opinion, please start your own thread on that topic.

Ok now let's get back on topic....

I did a little research, or I used Google, whatever you wanna call it lol. The game's name is All Points Bulletin, (APB), and is a massively multiplayer game for the PC and the Xbox 360. Realtime Worlds is the developer, who also did Crackdown for the Xbox 360. All Points Bulletin is in pre-production and has a target release date of 2008

Here are some supporting links you might be interested in:
Realtime Worlds (http://www.realtimeworlds.com) - Developer

All Points Bulletin (http://www.apb.com) - Official Game Website

Sounds pretty cool to me, I never played Crackdown, seems like what I've read people either hated or loved that game, but if you're interested in this you'll probably want to check that game out too. I hope they have some updates soon, the game was announced in June of 05 so its odd there isn't any newer media for the game.

slipknotpsycho

10-13-2007, 05:30 AM

i see you stilll wanna keep going....

first i never said for you to care, and next, ps3 and 360 are aimed at more mature players..... with more mature players means people who have to spend their own money.. nintendo is aimed at kids.... kids who bug the living shit out fo their parents to buy them the system til the parents feel like their head is going to pop and just can't handle it anymore so they buy it to shut them up.... granted that's not for every single nintendo sale, it still does make up a vast majority of the sales....

next, show me where i said this game could only be on ps3.... i never even once hinted at that.... also i already do have such a thread.... but technically you contributed to the ps3 vs. 360 debate far before i ever did.... and once again, to end the debate all you have to do is not respond to what i have to say... if you respond i will respond back... i honestly don't care about ending the debate.... atleast anymore... i tried to call a truce numerous times, but insecure 360 owners don't want to agree to the truce....

i honestly don't care to debate it, but also, i won't just let it go... i can't sorry... dunno why.. but make claims that are completely unfounded and i will respond.... i offered the truce and the only ones who agreed to it really were ps3 owners (kinda says something doesn't it?) but since 260 owners still want to debate, i will debate back...

like i said, you don't wanna do this, then stop replying to my posts.... and don't post false information either, becuase i will correct it.

king of the world

10-13-2007, 05:33 AM

not another ps3 vs. xbox showdown:(

Nailhead

10-13-2007, 05:38 AM

i see you stilll wanna keep going....

No I don't, and I made that very clear in my recent post, If you don't have anything to say about this game, (All Points Bulletin), then don't post here because you are just going to get this thread closed!

slipknotpsycho

10-13-2007, 05:50 AM

no i won't..... i'll get it moved at worse.... but i don't realy care, first of all he's got his answer, second of all it belongs in another section anyways...

for like the fourth time, stop replying to me if you don't wish to keep going..... i don't know if you can grasp this concept yet, but i am not going to just stop replying... as i said, i don't really care to stop, but you claim you do.... so, if you really do care, stop replying directly to my posts....

Nailhead

10-13-2007, 06:00 AM

Smoke some weed and chill the fuck out dude

slipknotpsycho

10-13-2007, 07:31 AM

if i could smoek weed i would... but i can't and haven't been able to get any for months...

either way, even if i was high i still wouldn't back down....

sorry you're barking up the wrong tree...

Nailhead

10-13-2007, 09:06 AM

I don't even know what you are arguing about, and something tells me neither do you. I don't argue because I'm pissed off, I argue because I'm trying to prove a point related to the topic. Anybody can disagree with me if they want to and I won't take it personally, because I don't even own a game console and I'd be happy with a fucking Neo Geo lol

Nation_1ne

10-13-2007, 11:58 AM

btw, in a buisness you always take risks, the greater the risk usually the greater the payout, although, there's not as much risk involved as you'd like to think... and ask any dev if you don't believe me... everyone of the team, that's actually into what they do, want to make the ultimate game... graphic wise, story wise, and game play wise....

I don't think it's right that you keep stating Dev teams are some daring breed of people willing to risk their financial background for an increase in a small percentage of graphics. I can assure you they won't. I'm sorry Slip but I agree with Nailhead on this. As long as the PS3 is so difficult to code for not as many people will use it. Programming on the PS3 will cost a lot of money in development, and cost a lot more time. Dev's are more willing to spend less money, and less time for a good finished product on the 360. The PS3 is good and noticeably better in some aspects, but not enough for Dev's to want use the PS3 instead. What you need to know also is that I don't prefer one console to the other, I like them all the same. However theres just no denying that people don't want to develop games for it. I watched an interview with Gabe Newell who stated he refused to port games to PS3 because of the awful coding.

i see you stilll wanna keep going....

first i never said for you to care, and next, ps3 and 360 are aimed at more mature players..... with more mature players means people who have to spend their own money

I wouldn't say more mature, I'd just say it's aimed at your more conventional gamers.

Nintendo is aimed at kids.... kids who bug the living shit out fo their parents to buy them the system til the parents feel like their head is going to pop and just can't handle it anymore so they buy it to shut them up.... granted that's not for every single nintendo sale, it still does make up a vast majority of the sales....

Not true at all. Nintendo are marketing the console more towards women actually, and families. Even if the console was for kids it would still be good, it doesn't change a thing. Oh, and I can assure most of the sales aren't to little kids who bug the shit out of the parents. I'm willing to bet the Wii has more valid sales. In Japan you'll see many young adults, especially women who own a Wii.

The Wii is a great console but lacks in titles at the moment, however I am looking forward to those future Mario games. PS3 lacks titles, big time! With out a doubt this is every PS3 owners peeve at the moment PS3 aren't promising all the titles they suggested. There's no doubt it will change, but it just isn't the case at the moment who knows how long it will take. It's pissing me off a lot, as I'm sure it's pissing you off too. 360 has a fairly good catalogue of games now, but it has been out longer than the other consoles but this is whats keeping it alive.

I don't want to get into a heated debate over this one, it's definitely not worth it. I'd say I've been pretty honest in my review anyway.

ncnavguy

10-13-2007, 12:27 PM

The whole idea of a console war is just a stupid marketing technique put out by the manufacturers to inspire brand loyalty. I mean think about its a "war" so then you would be a "traitor" for playing the other box's products. All in all pretty stupid. I gotta a 360 but when the cheap ps3 comes out I'll pick up one of those too. I don't think HD-DVD/BluRay are so hot either (for movies at least) Its much easier to download HD shows and movies off the net anyways, and its only a matter of time untill all the major content providers either offer their stuff streaming or as a download. These HD/Blu storage standards will not last nearly as long as DVD's did and I think most people miss this point.