Planned Parenthood's free publicity

[Torog]

Planned Parenthood's free publicity

Posted: September 26, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern




By Jill Stanek
© 2007

If the Aurora Planned Parenthood site in the Illinois prairie lands is ground zero, then the Denver Planned Parenthood site in the Mile High City is sky zero.
Last month, with a reporter in hot pursuit (http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2007/08/22/planned-parenthoods-neighbors-concerned), Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, or PPRM, was forced to come clean (http://www.denverpost.com/ci_6666100) about its secret purchase of a city block of property and plans to break ground on a 50,000 square foot mega-mill this November.

PP has admitted to several news outlets it went stealth with plans to build in Denver, Aurora and Portland, Ore., to avoid such pro-life boycotts as were undertaken at the Austin, Texas, Planned Parenthood mill in 2003, which delayed its opening several months.

In Denver, pro-lifers are already realizing PP's fears. Two weeks ago, they conducted a literature drop in the African-American neighborhood of the proposed PP.
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The brochure informed residents that:

PP is racist (95 percent of abortion mills are located in urban areas, according to The Guttmacher Institute, research arm of PP); and
PP's founder, Margaret Sanger, was a eugenicist who hung out at KKK rallies ("â?¦ I accepted an invitation to talk to the women's branch of the Ku Klux Klan at Silver Lake, New Jersey. ... A dozen invitations to speak to similar groups were proffered." ~ "Margaret Sanger: An Autobiography," pp. 366-367 of 1971 reprint published by Dover Publications, Inc.; 1938 original published by W.W. Norton & Company).
Friend of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains pro-abort Jim Spencer said in a Sept. 21 RH Reality Check column to never mind Margaret's genocidal tendencies:
Whatever Sanger said about the need to control African-American births during the 1930s, the test 70 years later are actions.
Would a good test be to examine mill locations? No, said Spencer:
Among the lies anti-abortion activists like to tell is that Planned Parenthood targets minority women for abortions. That has already happened in Denver, where the location of the new clinic in a predominantly black neighborhood led to suggestions of racism.
"Suggestions"? Ha.
And now every weekend pro-lifers are picketing the home of Gary Meggison, senior vice president of the PPRM site's general contractor, the Weitz Company.

Beginning today, Colorado Right to Life, or CORTL, plans to picket Weitz's office, which is rented space and should also disturb its landlord and fellow tenants.

Which brings us to the latest pro-abort faux pas in a recent string. For the Weitz picket, CORTL had planned that a Truth Truck with an anti-PP sign drive around the area.

But last Saturday night during CORTL's annual banquet, someone stole this mobile billboard off the Truth Truck in the parking lot.

The billboard stated "Planned Parenthood Kills Babies" and included a Sanger quote reading, "We don't want the word to get out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."
The Rocky Mountain News reported Monday that according to a witness, "a white male grabbed the 15-foot by 7-foot banner ... put it in his car and drove away from the Denver Tech Center hotel where the banquet was being held."
Problem is that witness got the thief's license plate number. Concluded Rocky Mountain News, "After the theft, a deputy drove several times by the home where the car was registered but no one was home, the sheriff said."

According to Leslie Hanks, CORTL vice president, the thief has not yet been apprehended as of yesterday. But he will face felony charges, since the sign's value is over $1,000.
It will be interesting to see who the thief is and if he is connected to PP of the Rocky Mountains.

Liberals like Chicago Tribune columnist Eric Zorn call such pro-life tactics as protests, lit drops and outing of abortion enablers as "harassment" verging on "blackmail," as he wrote in a column yesterday.
Joe Scheidler of Pro-Life Action League explained to Zorn:
The vivid demonstrations, [Scheidler] said, "are to let the neighbors know that if the abortion clinic goes in, it will be a center of attraction for protesters. They don't want to see these pictures all the time out there on the street, so we hope they'll go to the guys in charge and say 'We don't want those people here.'"
Blackmail, no. Harassment? It could only be considered harassment if someone were ashamed of what they do. Otherwise, it should be considered free publicity.

[birdgirl73]

You keep posting this factually absurd stuff here, Torog, and I guarantee you you'll do far more to promote Planned Parenthood than you ever imagined. You may well already be the most effective pro-Planned Parenthood lobbyist who ever lived.

[Torog]

You keep posting this factually absurd stuff here, Torog, and I guarantee you you'll do far more to promote Planned Parenthood than you ever imagined. You may well already be the most effective pro-Planned Parenthood lobbyist who ever lived.

Howdy birdgirl73,

Now ya have me worried..the end effect of abortion,could very well swell the ranks of satan's minions..by choosing abortion over Life..by choosing irresponsibilty..by ignoring sexual predators and allowing them to continue to prey on more women and girls..by denying fathers their rights..by usurping the authority of God over Life.

Everytime a pre-born child is murdered..the Darkness increases in the world..because we have a choice-to choose Life..over murder..especially of the most defense-less amongst us.

Have a good one ...

[andruejaysin]

Republican favor letting babies be born, then die a natural death due to lack of health care. That way it's "god's will".

Why do toroq's lunatic theories never get moved to conspiracy?

[HighTillIDie]

Republican favor letting babies be born, then die a natural death due to lack of health care. That way it's "god's will".

Why do toroq's lunatic theories never get moved to conspiracy?

universal health care is a move towards a socialist state, and it goes against the very fiber of the constitution, and declaration of independance's, stance on a minimally involved government...

do you really think your money is more efficiant moving through more hands? and where do you think they will get this money from... it isn't sound free market economics man, please don't support political ideas if you don't understand them... it further excelerates the lack of knowledge the average american already has about it's own exsistence.

i'm sorry but the right to choose these matters, should never be in the hands of the fed, but your local state government...

read

:pimp:

[Zimzum]

Why do toroq's lunatic theories never get moved to conspiracy?

HAHA, yeah why not? Torog and Pisshead both have views that are considered extreme. Yet only pisshead gets moved to conspiracy. I say we ask for all post regarding religion get moved over to conspiracy since it can't be provin with science.

[birdgirl73]

universal health care is a move towards a socialist state, and it goes against the very fiber of the constitution, and declaration of independance's, stance on a minimally involved government...

do you really think your money is more efficiant moving through more hands? and where do you think they will get this money from... it isn't sound free market economics man, please don't support political ideas if you don't understand them... it further excelerates the lack of knowledge the average American already has about it's own exsistence.

i'm sorry but the right to choose these matters, should never be in the hands of the fed, but your local state government...

read

:pimp:
HighTill, I'm afraid you're the one here who has no idea what you're talking about. You're also the one who needs to read both our constitution and the Declaration of Independence so you won't be attributing information that neither document remotely addresses (your so-called "big government," which people who parrot what they've heard other say about free-market economics and univeral health care but who don't really understand how our health care economy works now love to shout about). Right now, you're putting the decisions about your health care, if you're lucky enough to have any at all, in the hands of big insurance, big pharmaceutical companies, and big hospital corporations. The assumption that private, for-profit industry is going to make decisions on your behalf, be a better steward of your money, and do justice by your personal health is just laughable. Talk to the people who need care now and you'll find out just how unfairly this is working currently.

Only the really uninformed are the ones who're frightened about "socialized medicine" or a "socialist state." I can already tell you that our future health care system--and it's coming eventually, one way or another--will have to be built around the privately structured system we have now. It'll most likely be a combination public-private system. That'll be very different from what you're imagining. You'd do well to read more, learn more about our current health care economy, and do far less fear-mongering until you know a lot more about what you're discussing. The right to choose these matters, by the way, lies in your hands and not in anyone else's. You elect your own government.

[savagepossum]

wow that picture of the baby being aborted posted by torog is fucked up i didn't actually know doctors performed abortions like that.

[andruejaysin]

Oddly, all the "small government" guys are unfazed by the fact the US spends more on the military than the rest of the world combined. Never a word about "socialized warmongering."

[birdgirl73]

So true, Andruejaysin. Our government under the current Republican (the first ones to shout about small government) administration, both its bureaucracy and its budget, are larger than ever before in history. Anyone can confirm that fact with the GAO or our country's chief comptroller. Our current involvement in this war accounts for a huge percentage of that size, of course. But it certainly makes no sense to me why people who'd be the first in line to object to the government's spending money for health or human services like health care for children or citizens don't for a moment question military or defense spending of far more vast amounts of money and/or bureaucracy to invade a foreign sovereign nation that didn't present a threat to us. (They do present a threat now, of course, and we're stuck. But that wasn't always the case.)

Glad you noticed, Savage Possum, that abortion is an abominable procedure. It is for everyone involved, doctors, pregnant patients, and unborn fetuses alike. Never think that people who are pro-choice like that procedure or its ugly realities. No one with a heart or a functioning mind does. Let this be a lesson to you to make every possible effort to protect against accidental or unwanted pregnancies in the first place so you or those you love won't ever be faced with that choice. This is yet another reason why Planned Parenthood deserves to be accurately reflected here and not distorted through the eyes of the religiously righteous-but-uninformed. For every pregnancy that is terminated through the services of Planned Parenthood, which increasingly sub-contracts those services out, that agency prevents more than 65 pregnancies that might otherwise end in abortion through its family planning and contraception services. As will any other conscientious medical professional, Planned Parenthood will be the first to tell anyone who asks that contraception and family planning are the best way to avoid the hideous realities of abortion before they ever happen. For those that cannot be avoided--and it's my personal belief that they nearly all can or can be directed toward adoption instead--medically informed people know that even it it is made illegal, abortion will not stop. It'll simply revert back to what the services were like before 1973: back-alley butcheries.

[Psycho4Bud]

HAHA, yeah why not? Torog and Pisshead both have views that are considered extreme. Yet only pisshead gets moved to conspiracy. I say we ask for all post regarding religion get moved over to conspiracy since it can't be provin with science.

You fly A Ron Paul link in your signature but are against the lines he stands for?

Is this a 9-11 fairy tail or does it deal with something very political? For some odd reason Roe v. Wade comes to mind.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[andruejaysin]

I refered to the part about planned parenthood being a kkk plot to eliminate blacks.

[rebgirl420]

universal health care is a move towards a socialist state, and it goes against the very fiber of the constitution, and declaration of independance's, stance on a minimally involved government...

do you really think your money is more efficiant moving through more hands? and where do you think they will get this money from... it isn't sound free market economics man, please don't support political ideas if you don't understand them... it further excelerates the lack of knowledge the average american already has about it's own exsistence.

i'm sorry but the right to choose these matters, should never be in the hands of the fed, but your local state government...

read

:pimp:

I couldn't have put it better myself.

Also, abortion should be completely legal. It is a womens right to choose whatever she deems fit. No man is going to tell me what the fuck I can do and can't do with my body.

[Torog]

Howdy birdgirl,

I think that when you refer to me as "religiously righteous-but-uninformed",that what yer really saying is that I have not been properly propagandized..also,thinking that I'm uninformed,is an assumption and an under-estimation of me and other pro-lifers.

Just because the liberal media suppresses the facts,don't mean that they ain't there. I reckon that I will have to provide some examples of the duplicitous and evil nature of PP,and the numerous times that they have been caught aiding and abbeting the obstruction of justice in regards to rapists.

BTW,I don't want abortion to be illegal,I just want it to be rare and only used when needed..not as a means of 'birth control'.

Also,what of the father's rights ? What of the (what should be),in-alienable right of the pre-born to Life ?

My belief is that the woman becomes a vessel for the child,that she should not be able to make a unilateral decision involving Life..that her duty is to preserve and protect,her un-born child.

Have a good one ...

[Bogart]

The only way to stop abortion is through education and peaceful action with Christian love.

Abortion no matter how you want to look at it is murder of an innocent unborn baby. When women have an abortion they a rarely warned that they are going to have emotional issues attached to the abortion afterwards, some times immediately, sometimes weeks, months, or years down the road. The abortion mills don't even offer emotional or spiritual counseling, because they achieved what they wanted.

13 years ago I was a Supervisor for the surgery clinic for a large medical university in Nashville. For the 10 years I worked there I was not even aware that the facility provided abortions, which is ironic when the University itself started out as a Seminary for men, and still has a Seminary there.

One day this young woman came in wanting to have an abortion and some how wound up in my office. I sat down and spoke to her for over an hour and convinced her to go through with her pregnancy and name me as the father. I guaranteed her that I would take the baby and raise the baby as my own child and she would never hear from me or the child again. After the baby was born I resigned from my job because they performed a procedure that was against my beliefs, took the baby home and raised her. She is now and A/B honor student who is well adjusted, loved and has a lot of support form her father, godfather, and church family. She has won many awards in music ans well as public speaking, and has started a Ministry of her own against moral issues such as abortion.

Yes she is aware of where she came from and how she became my daughter and doesn't mind telling people how she came in to existence. It has been a strong bond between us and I would do it all over again every chance I got. My daughter and I even help other women wanting abortions find someone to take their unborn child and raise it as their own in order to circumvent another abortion.

[savagepossum]

I am no doctor but maybe instead of trying to make abortions illegal or unheard of maybe there should be more research done into more humane ways of killing an unborn child/fetus and also they should provide counselling for women before and after abortions.

[snicklefritz1825]

wow that picture of the baby being aborted posted by torog is fucked up i didn't actually know doctors performed abortions like that.

Yes you should read up on the procedures they do. It is really sickening. At least Bush outlawed they partial birth abortion procedure.

[snicklefritz1825]

The only way to stop abortion is through education and peaceful action with Christian love.

Abortion no matter how you want to look at it is murder of an innocent unborn baby. When women have an abortion they a rarely warned that they are going to have emotional issues attached to the abortion afterwards, some times immediately, sometimes weeks, months, or years down the road. The abortion mills don't even offer emotional or spiritual counseling, because they achieved what they wanted.

13 years ago I was a Supervisor for the surgery clinic for a large medical university in Nashville. For the 10 years I worked there I was not even aware that the facility provided abortions, which is ironic when the University itself started out as a Seminary for men, and still has a Seminary there.

One day this young woman came in wanting to have an abortion and some how wound up in my office. I sat down and spoke to her for over an hour and convinced her to go through with her pregnancy and name me as the father. I guaranteed her that I would take the baby and raise the baby as my own child and she would never hear from me or the child again. After the baby was born I resigned from my job because they performed a procedure that was against my beliefs, took the baby home and raised her. She is now and A/B honor student who is well adjusted, loved and has a lot of support form her father, godfather, and church family. She has won many awards in music ans well as public speaking, and has started a Ministry of her own against moral issues such as abortion.

Yes she is aware of where she came from and how she became my daughter and doesn't mind telling people how she came in to existence. It has been a strong bond between us and I would do it all over again every chance I got. My daughter and I even help other women wanting abortions find someone to take their unborn child and raise it as their own in order to circumvent another abortion.

See this girl wanted to live, think about it girls. Yea it is your body but that life inside you isn't yours and how would you feel if your mother took your life away from you.

[Psycho4Bud]

The only way to stop abortion is through education and peaceful action with Christian love.

Abortion no matter how you want to look at it is murder of an innocent unborn baby. When women have an abortion they a rarely warned that they are going to have emotional issues attached to the abortion afterwards, some times immediately, sometimes weeks, months, or years down the road. The abortion mills don't even offer emotional or spiritual counseling, because they achieved what they wanted.

13 years ago I was a Supervisor for the surgery clinic for a large medical university in Nashville. For the 10 years I worked there I was not even aware that the facility provided abortions, which is ironic when the University itself started out as a Seminary for men, and still has a Seminary there.

One day this young woman came in wanting to have an abortion and some how wound up in my office. I sat down and spoke to her for over an hour and convinced her to go through with her pregnancy and name me as the father. I guaranteed her that I would take the baby and raise the baby as my own child and she would never hear from me or the child again. After the baby was born I resigned from my job because they performed a procedure that was against my beliefs, took the baby home and raised her. She is now and A/B honor student who is well adjusted, loved and has a lot of support form her father, godfather, and church family. She has won many awards in music ans well as public speaking, and has started a Ministry of her own against moral issues such as abortion.

Yes she is aware of where she came from and how she became my daughter and doesn't mind telling people how she came in to existence. It has been a strong bond between us and I would do it all over again every chance I got. My daughter and I even help other women wanting abortions find someone to take their unborn child and raise it as their own in order to circumvent another abortion.

MUCH respect to ya and nothing but best wishes to you and your daughter!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[birdgirl73]

I think that when you refer to me as "religiously righteous-but-uninformed",that what yer really saying is that I have not been properly propagandized..also,thinking that I'm uninformed,is an assumption and an under-estimation of me and other pro-lifers.

No, Torog. I meant uninformed. You don't know a fraction of what Planned Parenthood does, from providing women's health services to care regarding breast health. You didn't know enough about how they were organized to be able to realize that what you were posting originally in your other thread was factually incorrect, citing a non-existent PP of Texas organization. And in that same thread relating to the Komen foundation and Nancy Brinker, you somehow hadn't been aware of the fact that Mrs. Brinker is as politically conservative as you are, possibly more, before you jumped up and slammed her as part of a dangerously liberal agenda.

To be further "propagandized" is the last thing you need. You're already full of propaganda. What you need is factually correct information.

I stand by my previous characterization.

[sordid]

Good to know torog is looking out for our interests :buzz_saw:

[HighTillIDie]

HighTill, I'm afraid you're the one here who has no idea what you're talking about. You're also the one who needs to read both our constitution and the Declaration of Independence so you won't be attributing information that neither document remotely addresses (your so-called "big government," which people who parrot what they've heard other say about free-market economics and univeral health care but who don't really understand how our health care economy works now love to shout about). Right now, you're putting the decisions about your health care, if you're lucky enough to have any at all, in the hands of big insurance, big pharmaceutical companies, and big hospital corporations. The assumption that private, for-profit industry is going to make decisions on your behalf, be a better steward of your money, and do justice by your personal health is just laughable. Talk to the people who need care now and you'll find out just how unfairly this is working currently.

Only the really uninformed are the ones who're frightened about "socialized medicine" or a "socialist state." I can already tell you that our future health care system--and it's coming eventually, one way or another--will have to be built around the privately structured system we have now. It'll most likely be a combination public-private system. That'll be very different from what you're imagining. You'd do well to read more, learn more about our current health care economy, and do far less fear-mongering until you know a lot more about what you're discussing. The right to choose these matters, by the way, lies in your hands and not in anyone else's. You elect your own government.



i'm sorry I will have to agree to disagree... as a citizen who can receive full government benefits, i think i have great knowledge of health... especially as my mother is/was an Rn, who has a doctorate in hospital managment, both of my grandfathers were physicians, and i have an uncle who is an xray tech... oh did i mention i have had cancer, and pnemonia NUMEROUS times... oh and i have never once used my insurance, except for a few trips to county clinics... i manage my health with mostly natural cures... but maybe i'm magic

lol, sorry for being a jerk, i digress

first, any vetran knows, government health care is a joke... absolutely... you can wait, or just recieve innadequate care... i have supplemental insurance OF COURSE, from a smaller, state targeted company

A TRUE free market, encourages large amounts of competition, and options, for any service free market is applied to. With less demand on one company, they must increase benefits, or drop prices, to maintain assets... very simple...

where as the alternative basically stunts all of this... do you know how much taxes canada and france have taken???? as compared to the average amount of benefits an individual will actually recieve????


lol tell me i do not understand money... hahahahhaha

[birdgirl73]

Actually, what I was saying was that you didn't understand the Declaration of Independence or our constitution.

I'm the sixth generation to enter medicine in my family, so I know of what I speak of, too, and I'm married to a physician who's been in practice for 23 years. I've also been a very avid consumer of medical services thanks to an unfair share of health issues myself and am a skilled navigator of both our current medical system and the world of health insurance.

I understand free-market economics better than you may realize. I'm working on my fourth degree and am 46 years old. I also understand that 43 million uninsured people who need health care don't benefit from a system like our current one, which is at the mercy of big business and answers to shareholders, not patients in need or their health-care providers.

Yes, I know how other countries' tax rates are. I've traveled to or worked in 22 other countries at one time of another. How many have you spent first-hand time in learning about the benefits and drawbacks of their systems?

You continue to hold onto the misconception that our future health care system in this country will be a completely government-held, government-controlled institution. It will not. Talk to hospital administrators and insurance companies and the health insurers who cover people through Medicare, Medicaid, and children's state-offered health insurance programs today. Read, as you so generously encouraged someone else to do earlier. Mark my words. It's coming. And it'll be a combination private-public system built on the system we have now. There'll still be competition, and people will still have choices. Yep, there'll be bumps in the road. It won't be perfect. It's far from perfect now, however. At least the huge percentage of people who go without care today will have access to it in the future. That, by the way, will drive our medical and health care prices down.

[psteve]

Planned Parenthood's free publicity
Wow! Cool!
Planned Parenthood rocks!
Thanks for helping to publicize the good work they are doing!

[Torog]

Wow! Cool!
Planned Parenthood rocks!
Thanks for helping to publicize the good work they are doing!

Howdy psteve,

By "good work",do ya mean genocide of the pre-born ?

Or do ya mean that it's good to have PP in black neighborhoods,gittin rid of black children ?

Or maybe ya mean that ya can go nail some jailbait and git off scott-free for committing statutory rape ?

Say..do y'all got alot of that there 'free love' goin on in Oregon,Netherland ? Yer gonna need a PP on every street corner,if that's the case.

Have a good one ...

[HighTillIDie]

first don't assume what i know, that isn't fair.
i haven't really carified my real source of issue with a mandated health insurance... so maybe you can help me through my thinking...

i should be at liberty not to have to pay for anyone's health care, i also think it is against the intrest of freedom, almost all forms of welfare. There will be bumps in the road, but one day we will conceive that... now i have lived far below the poverty line, and as a child i had no insurance for a number of years... yet i was able to receive major medical care, for free thanks to charitable hospitals...

chastize me for using terms such as "big government", but i will never accept that i need to be ran as intricately as i am told i should be...

and you seem hesitant of free market insurance competition... why is governmentized the best option? how will the insurance companies avoid the competition, and consumer guiding, that affects every other market, including auto insurance... (which prices are driven UP in most states, because they are told by the government they must have auto insurance.

by the way, i should also say my uncle and grandfather also owned a state farm office for about 30 years, i also have some knowledge of the insurance systems... but i am willing to be you are an expert



Actually, what I was saying was that you didn't understand the Declaration of Independence or our constitution.

I'm the sixth generation to enter medicine in my family, so I know of what I speak of, too, and I'm married to a physician who's been in practice for 23 years. I've also been a very avid consumer of medical services thanks to an unfair share of health issues myself and am a skilled navigator of both our current medical system and the world of health insurance.

I understand free-market economics better than you may realize. I'm working on my fourth degree and am 46 years old. I also understand that 43 million uninsured people who need health care don't benefit from a system like our current one, which is at the mercy of big business and answers to shareholders, not patients in need or their health-care providers.

Yes, I know how other countries' tax rates are. I've traveled to or worked in 22 other countries at one time of another. How many have you spent first-hand time in learning about the benefits and drawbacks of their systems?

You continue to hold onto the misconception that our future health care system in this country will be a completely government-held, government-controlled institution. It will not. Talk to hospital administrators and insurance companies and the health insurers who cover people through Medicare, Medicaid, and children's state-offered health insurance programs today. Read, as you so generously encouraged someone else to do earlier. Mark my words. It's coming. And it'll be a combination private-public system built on the system we have now. There'll still be competition, and people will still have choices. Yep, there'll be bumps in the road. It won't be perfect. It's far from perfect now, however. At least the huge percentage of people who go without care today will have access to it in the future. That, by the way, will drive our medical and health care prices down.

[Torog]

Howdy birdgirl,

If you are claiming that PP of Austin,Texas..doesn't exist..then you'd be wrong about that,maam.

Here's a link to their site: Planned Parenthood - Our Health Services (http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppaustin/Our-Health-Services.htm)

If you are claiming that another Texas location doesn't exist,please let me know.

I did some more digging yesterday and found out that the claims of 10,000 women dying from coat-hanger abortions,used to git RoevWade passed,was totally false and not only that,the advocates for abortion,admitted such..but not until well after the passage of RoevWade.

I've found quite a bit of material on this subject,do I have to post a gigabyte of articles to prove my points ?

Have a good one ...

[Turtlez]

Wtf, WHY would you want to force random pregnant women who you don't know to ave a baby that they dont want???! That is just cold hearted. You have to think about the womans life. You cant expect someone to go around with something living in her stomache for 9 months, if she doesnt even want it!!!
seriousley i cant beleive your trying to convince us to be "anti- abortion" by saying that PP is raciest, and that the founder went to KKK rallies. i mean seriousley what the fuck does that have to do with abortion??! your using irrelivant shit to try and get people to say "ooooh... maybe abortion is bad, if it's to be associated with the KKK"
well abortions have nothing to do with the KKK (obviousley) abortions are a godsend to women all around the world, and if you were a woman i bet you'd be comforted to know that you dont HAVE to live with a baby in your belly
so yeah, thats my 2cents

[Torog]

Wtf, WHY would you want to force random pregnant women who you don't know to ave a baby that they dont want???! That is just cold hearted. You have to think about the womans life. You cant expect someone to go around with something living in her stomache for 9 months, if she doesnt even want it!!!
seriousley i cant beleive your trying to convince us to be "anti- abortion" by saying that PP is raciest, and that the founder went to KKK rallies. i mean seriousley what the f*ck does that have to do with abortion??! your using irrelivant sh*t to try and get people to say "ooooh... maybe abortion is bad, if it's to be associated with the KKK"
well abortions have nothing to do with the KKK (obviousley) abortions are a godsend to women all around the world, and if you were a woman i bet you'd be comforted to know that you dont HAVE to live with a baby in your belly
so yeah, thats my 2cents

Howdy Turtlez,

I have not been pushing the racism issue..that's what liberals usually do,when they want to discredit a thread or kill the debate on one.

There are more than enuff folks to raise un-wanted babies,so don't think that approach is gonna work,either. I told my daughter a long time ago,that if she gits pregnant,not to abort,that I would raise the child myself. But I don't expect that to happen,because my daughter would never murder her child,just so that it won't 'cramp her style',and she's smart enuff and wise enuff,not to git herself in that position to have to make that decision. What's the other women's excuse ?

Just because a woman is gonna be uncomfortable for 9 months,don't mean that she has the right to murder a new life,that is only temporarily using it's mothers body.

I can't believe that you actually have the gall to say that "abortion is a godsend" !:mad:

I'm pretty dang certain,that God doesn't want irresponsible parents,rapists and incestors,to murder the children that He breathes Life into,by way of abortion and the horrific manner in which it is conducted.

Since RoevWade,over 40 million children have been murdered by abortion and that works out to around 1000 to 1500,children a day,over one million a year..Stop the genocide ! Stop the infanticide ! :mad:

May God have mercy on us all ! :(

Have a good one...

[Comatose]

I have a couple things to say to you Torog. First of all, you should be embarrassed, because you constantly start threads on this forum bashing all liberals or left sided issues. You do remember that "Premier Bush" just spent two terms becoming the most hated president in history.

Secondly, my sister in law manages over 10 Planned Parenthoods, helping thousands of women get birthcontrol at an affordable price, and yes an abortion, without the limits of the law.

While I don't agree with all abortion (depends on the age of the fetus and how it will be done), but there are times when an abortion is the ONLY choice. Where do you or any other man have the right to tell a woman that she will die if she has a baby. My girlfriend, for example, cannot have kids. If for some miracle that she does get pregnant (we never use birthcontrols because shes supposed to be sterile) I will support her 100% in SAVING HER OWN LIFE.

Your right sided crap gets annoying. You should probably find some bush-buddie forum and set up shop there, because you don't have many supporters here.

[Psycho4Bud]

Your right sided crap gets annoying. You should probably find some bush-buddie forum and set up shop there, because you don't have many supporters here.


I don't recall anything in here stating that this site is for liberals ONLY. There are two sides to every issue and there is PLENTY of it from the left in here for ya to read.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Torog]

I have a couple things to say to you Torog. First of all, you should be embarrassed, because you constantly start threads on this forum bashing all liberals or left sided issues. You do remember that "Premier Bush" just spent two terms becoming the most hated president in history.

Secondly, my sister in law manages over 10 Planned Parenthoods, helping thousands of women get birthcontrol at an affordable price, and yes an abortion, without the limits of the law.

While I don't agree with all abortion (depends on the age of the fetus and how it will be done), but there are times when an abortion is the ONLY choice. Where do you or any other man have the right to tell a woman that she will die if she has a baby. My girlfriend, for example, cannot have kids. If for some miracle that she does get pregnant (we never use birthcontrols because shes supposed to be sterile) I will support her 100% in SAVING HER OWN LIFE.

Your right sided crap gets annoying. You should probably find some bush-buddie forum and set up shop there, because you don't have many supporters here.

Howdy Comatose,

I will never be embarrassed to defend the pre-born,America or our troops.

You just made a critical revelation-when you said that yer sister-in-law helps to provide abortions "Without the limits of law"...ie;that means that PP is providing abortions to under-age girls and women who have been raped. PP is eager to provide abortions without informing the parents of the girl who's pregnant-either through rape,statutory rape and incest and/or no lack of self-discipline.

How about the right of a father to bring his child into the world and raise it,even if the mother's character is so poor that she does not want the child to live ?

On one hand,you say that it would be a 'miracle' for yer girlfriend to git pregnant,then ya turn around and act like the child is not a miracle-but rather a fatal disease..which is it ? Also,do ya believe that when a woman brings a child into this world,it ruins her life ?

The intrinsically evil nature of the liberal mind-set drives me nuts too..maybe you should head em up and move em out,to the DemocraticUnderground site..where you will find many supporters and cheerleaders,for yer liberal agenda's..as for me..I ain't here to gather supporters or friends..I'm here to debate the issues that are currently happening.

Have a good one ...

[birdgirl73]

No, Torog. You misunderstood. As I already told you in a previous thread, it was Planned Parenthood of Texas as a statewide organization that doesn't exist. Regional Planned Parenthood organizations, such as Planned Parenthood of North Texas, Planned Parenthood of Southeast Texas, etc., combine into Planned Parenthood Federation of America. What I was saying, again, is that there aren't overall statewide chapters. Nancy Brinker sat on the advisory board of PP of North Texas, not PP of Texas, as the article you cited said.

[Torog]

No, Torog. You misunderstood. As I already told you in a previous thread, it was Planned Parenthood of Texas as a statewide organization that doesn't exist. Regional Planned Parenthood organizations, such as Planned Parenthood of North Texas, Planned Parenthood of Southeast Texas, etc., combine into Planned Parenthood Federation of America. What I was saying, again, is that there aren't overall statewide chapters. Nancy Brinker sat on the advisory board of PP of North Texas, not PP of Texas, as the article you cited said.

Howdy birdgirl,

I stand corrected,thanx. :)

However,I don't believe that such a mistake,invalidates all the other facts.

My main concern,is that the Komen Foundation,is duping it's donors who are pro-life..us pro-lifers don't want our donations or tax dollars to go to support abortion either here or over-seas,nor do we want our money to support embryonic stem-cell research,as it requires the destruction of human life..adult stem-cells show much more promise and do not have the rejection problems that embryonic stem-cells do.

Have a good one ...

[Comatose]

Definately meant, "within the law." Thats a typo.

[Torog]

Definately meant, "within the law." Thats a typo.

Howdy Comatose,

Well it may have been a typo on yer part,but it's actually very close to the truth. PP has been working over-time,to git abortions without parental consent,made into a law,so that they won't keep gittin caught going behind the backs of parents and risking possible lawsuits.

When it comes to under-age girls gittin an abortion,taped conversations have revealed that the PP rep often tells the girl that they don't want her to reveal who the father is and they advise them to not seek out law enforcement. They want it all to be kept secret.

Have a good one ...

[psteve]

They want it all to be kept secret.
Because of fanatical people who would harass the already stressed and vulnerable patients.

[yokinazu]

may i first say torog you are a pleasure to debate with. your points are well thought out and you dont seem to have to revert to cursing , name calling and childish behavier.

i beleive that abortion should be legal but it should also be regulated a little better. abortion should never under any cicumstance be used as a form of birth control. it should be law that abortion should not be preformed on underage girls without the parents consent. i do not beleive that 3rd term or parial birth abortion should be legal.in cases of rape incest and the like the proper authoritys should have to be notified. abortion should be a rare occurance not an everyday affair. i have a beautful 12 year old daughter and i did considr for a moment my exwife having an abortion when we found out she was pregnant ,but now i could not imagine life without her. it would break my heart if my little girl was to abort my grandbaby unless she absolutly had no other choice. if it was a choice between my daughters life or her having an abortion i would choose my daughter.

i also support stem cell research because i would rather see that aborted fetuses cells be used to help save a persons life than just pitched into a trash can.

[Mohksha]

This is a volatile thread...

Wow torog, that picture of the abortion is disgusting. I didn't know that they could be like that. And by the way, if anyone here is for partial birth abortions, you are a fucking sicko. However, I do think that abortion should be the mothers choice up until a certain point in the development cycle. Unless I'm retarded, though, 23 weeks is almost 6 months! At that point it is murder and I don't think very many people will disagree with me. You cannot characterize all abortions that way however. That is just propaganda.

[junther22]

i dunno genocide of the unborn makes it sound kind of neat like the movie 300

[Psycho4Bud]

Due to the direction this thread took, it's CLOSED for business!:mad:

Have a good one!:jointsmile: