Hallucinations

[duppy man]

I was just sitting here wondering do blind people hallucinate when doing acid ??? or do they mentally visualize as i am sure that a hallucination would require you to see your surroundings in order for you to see them morphing or shape changing and the like...well do they or not :confused:

[Frost.]

That is very fucking interesting.

I remember the one time I did mushrooms, I closed my eyes and I was in a spiralling tunnel of marijuana leaves. It was tight.

[poorman3]

good question, i don`t know man.

[Epic]

Hah whats up with the sudden surge of blind questions ;p

[ChickenHuntin]

When you attain level 3 on mushrooms, when you close your eyes you see three dimensional objects. Which shows that you do not see with your eyes, you see with your brain. If someone had sight at one time, they have images stored in their brain, so they would probably see something, but if they've never seen anything, I don't know. Is it possible the energy you get from mushrooms would affect them in a different way? Maybe they would smell things? More audio hallucinations? Have a strong feeling over their skin? Extraordinary tasting abilities? Good question duppy, never thought about it before.

[slipnslide087]

they could only see things that they have before......i think a blind would just see trails of lights of different colors and shit....they would definately feel good still. that was a fuckin cool quesiton though. they wouldnt see like people and shit that you have to see with your eyes.....orrrr the blind person could see what they pictured people as looking like and other objects they have only become familiar with the texture/feel/smell/taste of or whatever....i dunno man

[ChickenHuntin]

What do blind people see when they dream? That's what they'd see when they were on any hallucinogenic, most likely. Anyone agree with that?

[XTC]

Well, to be 100% blind is extremly rare. Most 'blind' people can see shadows and shapes and whatnot.

[slipnslide087]

yeah.....i fully agree with xtc and chicken.......you wouldnt see anything youve never seen before....i think you would definately see shadows and figures and flashes of whatever color they can see maybe??? OH FUCK....i just remember about blind rob. i might be able to ask a primary source!!! fuck yeah he would know....hes legally blind.....i just havent talked to him in like.....a while......ill see what i can do. awesome

[Hektik]

lol deaf people now blind people. But good questions hmmm i dunno?

[robert42]

I GOT A IDEA

go dow nto ya blind hostpital or w/e

put a walkman with sum ncie music in a blind mans ear then kidnap him he cant hear ship nor see shit so he shouldnt panic then tell him hes eatin pizza when really its shrooms then sit down with hear and tell him to say what he sees or what he dont see or i dunno.

just becos hes blind dont make him no dirfferant from me and u

he has eeys

he jus
cant see.

ESSENCE! REMMEBER ESSSSESCEE

[XTC]

Man lol Rob what are you On?

[slipnslide087]

hahahahahaaah

[duppy man]

still does'nt answer the Q. do the blind hallucinate or visualize ??????????????

[slipnslide087]

yes they do.....just only what they can see or have seen in the past

[r11ckp]

if ur born blind and take hallucinating drugs they will just see blackness

[RESiNATE]

Maybe they trip out by 'seeing' dogs doing sign language by the phone!

[justanotheramerican]

I spent an hour or so with my eyes closed on acid one time and it was fucking INTENSE!!!

It's just like being in a dark room...you still trip and you see shit but you (the blind person on acid) only see what you mind can create without visual stimulus.

But I have no idea what would happen to someone who was blind from birth. That would be pretty goddamn fucked up.

[teknodppr]

Im pretty sure that a blind person will hallucinate. Ive done a lot of reading on mushrooms and other hallucinogens. One thing ive read a few times are that the indians would claim mushrooms, mescaline,ect. would give enlightment and also cause the blind to see. if your vision is nothing more than an electrical impuse sent from the brain, then why would you say you have to see it first? ive had dreams of things ive never seen before. when i close my eyes long enough, i see weird ass lookin shit. a lot of the visuals when your on mushrooms (besides things morphing) are curved or warped shapes. they are not distictive at all. all of them different in their own way. There are pretty much 2 different minds we have. the concious mind which is our normal state of being allowing us to make decisions, carry out tasks ect... and the unconcious mind. we havent began to really understand the unconcious mind. its something we cant really control. you know the feeling of being happy? the feeling of sad? we cant really control those emotions too much. depending on your emotion, you get a different feeling everytime something that makes your unconcious mind go "whoa". then when you feel pain, you cant really control it. all these emotions and feelings are apart of your unconcious mind. id say that dreaming is also apart of your unconcious mind. what im trying to get at is that your unconcious mind is extremely powerful and no one knows its boundaries. i personally think that when you shroom or do other hallucinogens, both your minds sorta come together. it seems logical that blind people can hallucinate off hallucinogens.

[fatty lumps]

This link may provide a little insight to the subject at hand.

What are the dreams of the blind like?

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_310.html

[duppy man]

thanks for that link Fattylumps very interesting I am still convinced that you need sight to hallucinate

[ChickenHuntin]

duppy, you don't see with your eyes, you see with your brain, thats why you are able to hallucinate, because your brain puts the images in what you perceive to be in front of you, but they aren't really there are they? if someone is blind, and they had sight at one time, images will appear, when you do shrooms, acid, whatever your imagination takes over, are u accusing the blind of not having an imagination? all people have imaginations, the blind aren't people?

[Mello.as.Hello]

it's a paradox.. it's not answerable... see, to hallucinate is to see images.. but if you're blind you've never seen an image... so it's a matter of defining something that you can't define.. like a blind man asking you to describe the color red.. it can't be done..

Still, it's a very deep thought. I'll have to ponder it over for a while.



(Sidenote: Can you tell I'm a Philosophy major? Ugh... )

[ChickenHuntin]

True Mello, but what about blind who have seen before?

[duppy man]

"Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to greater danger. It works the same in any country."
SO TRUE.........................thanks for time taken to think about this in my opinion we don't think enough....so this is great coming from the great unwashed..."dope heads" ect.. we are the backbone of society and don't forget it ..

[justanotheramerican]

I would agree that you would have to have sight at some point in your life to have "hallucinations".

But you would still "see" something if you had never had sight.

It may be the best way to show color to the blind.

[mEfStEr]

I've asked myself the same very question.... I came up with an idea, if a blind person took acid or shrooms etc.... Their senses would go haywire, imagine. They can't see, so their hearing is what they depend on, it would probably then "tweak" their hearing capabilities.... But, I still can't say if they would see anything.... I don't know? If a deaf person took a hallucinogenic drug, imagine what kind of trip they would be in for.... Pretty interesting.....

[thcbongman]

My opinion is that blind people can infact hallucinate. They won't be able to identify and register what color is, but I have no doubt they'll "see" it. If they detached their retina and it bleeds, your vision would have a purpleish ooze to it. My brother is legally blind, but not completely blind. He trips and sees visuals like everyone else.

[austinpowers]

it's a paradox.. it's not answerable... see, to hallucinate is to see images.. but if you're blind you've never seen an image... so it's a matter of defining something that you can't define.. like a blind man asking you to describe the color red.. it can't be done..

Psycadellics open a door to another world where you are free from any physical or mental bonds, so i would think a blind person would hallucinate just as much as someone like you or me. I get the strongest thoughts and images when my eyes are closed, so i dont see how blindness would affect it.

[Darkneon420]

:eek: Ya know man you got me to thinking for hours about this!!!!!!!! Im so god damn curious! Too bad im not a total criminal to kidnap a blind person...God I hate having a big heart :rolleyes:

[duppy man]

eyes open.with sight + LSD = Hallucinations
eyes closed with or without sight + LSD = visualization ? a dream is not a hallucination is it so why should it be any different with LSD
I still think blind and i mean people with no sight at all cant.

[slipnslide087]

barely anybody is 100% blind.....blind ppl can see shadows and shit....some even see dull colors. they wont see anyhting that has never been seen to them before. just past images and trails and shit.

[slipnslide087]

and they would still feel fucked up as hell too. bodily

[chris420]

the mind can take to to many beautiful places, and im sure that a blind guy on any hallucinogenic will be able to have closed eye visuals probably more intense than ours.