ATTENTION ALL 420's Hair Exam is hard to pass now

[raven in your ear]

Hello kool peeps of the new generation,

1st and foremost i hope one day as we all get older, one of you guys or girls gets into public office and change some rules in reference to this "hobby".. but here is some heads up on hair follicle exams.

1) forget that 90 day standard period. companies are requesting History exams, yes longer than 90 days.

2) Hair Follicle exams are becoming more affordable as one used to think they were expensive.. think again.

3) hair follicle exams CAN go back 3 years.. yes 3 years and never think they'll just go back 90 days cause they dont.

4) there are 2 primary labs that perform these test, and the one i went thru is considered state-of-the-art..i havent smoked anything within the past few months(drank water, sweated, ate healthy, etc) cut my hair ( due to the job interview) and was only assuming i was gonna get a urine test..low and behold they had set me up with a hair follicle exam ( i felt it was probally over racial profiling ).. i had just 24 hrs to take the exam..since its hard there's nothing you can do to cover up body hair not even using the shampoo's especially if your exam is going to the psychomedics lab..(the #1 of the 2 labs) in the nation.. the lab techs there called me today and said although they could see i havent been exposed to marijuana in the past couple of months.. test showed positive exposure 7 months ago....7 months!!.. i didnt get the job but this is a well lesson learned.. from this point on beware the hair exam..its an invasion of privacy i feel if a company wants to hold you at fault for something you might have done months even years ago..

/discuss

P.S im in texas and the lab i went thru is in culver, CA..red alert!

[thecreator]

Hey man what are you if you don't mind me asking. Ethnically of course above all your a human being. I agree with you the hair follicle test is an extreme set up to weed...out all of those who they do not see fit regardless of personal reform. Herumph what a world we live in where people are damn near persecuted for their "Hobbies"if you will

[FakeBoobsRule]

I don't know what is up here but something isn't right. If everything you are saying is correct the first thing is why did they go back more than 90 days or 1 & 1/2 inches of hair. Guidelines in hair testing set up by the FDA and SAMSHA have set the accepted length of hair tested to be 1 & 1/2 inches because it becomes inaccurate after this length. Why did they give you a "timeline" of use because that is odd too.

Something stinks in Denmark here.

Yes if you think hair testing is expensive it is about $60-$90 a test now.

There are ways to beat the hair test, they aren't 100% but you can improve your chances of passing.

[raven in your ear]

im a clean cut african-american,
i think i inherited bob marley's gene's or something.. i told them i had drank a protein shake that contained hemp seed ( which i actually did) and now haved filed a complaint with the FDA regarding this Hemp protein shake thats being sold in whole foods stores without no warning to constumers..

btw.. hemp protein shakes have NO high, NO rush, No drug like effects.. its for weight gain..yet the CMO did not understand ... i even had my therapist confirm this.

im well educated, not some criminal , not even a drug-dealer..yet this crap is still in my system

[raven in your ear]

thanks mr. rock.

i felt the same way about this also as yet i read up on the standards.. yet this is exactly what they did and told me. no lie. im really pissed about it.. 7 months ago!... and thats exactly what they had told me "although we can tell you havent been exposed/smoked any marijuana in the past couple/few months we did however confirm positive use 7 months ago"... they took armpit samples and the lady filled up the "silver-lining wrapper" which the sample was collected..

[FakeBoobsRule]

So are you telling me your armpit hair was over 3.5 inches long? You know hair always isn't in an active growing state, more on this based on your answer about how long your armpit hair is.

That protein shake is going to have 0% THC content in it I bet or else it would be illegal to sell it.

[raven in your ear]

thing about the protein shake. i had the same problem with it 1 yr ago taking a UA my results came out to 27 nanograms ( 15 is the cutoff).. i debated this and they sent me back for another test ( quest was the 1st site i went to) the 2nd lab was a different site which resulted in me passing the UA.. now psychomedics are saying i did something 7 months ago..well above the 90 standard.. she cut a few strands from both sides (left & right) and as i said.. filled up the whole "sample container" i also heard some guy getting shaved in the other room cause he had shaved his head..

so 1 sample container filled up completely with body hair....7 months... not 90 days 7 months.. im totally baffled

[FakeBoobsRule]

Well the collector is supposed to put the hair in the foil with the root end marked so that once it gets to the lab, it is cut down to 1 & 1/2 inches if longer than that. They aren't supposed to perform the test with just a big ball o hair that way they are testing the first 90 days.

Other than the protein shake do you use marijuana?

[raven in your ear]

"i plead the 5th cause it may incriminate me"

well that she did she took several "clumps" of hair ( my longest strands from my armpits) and sealed it right up.. hitting that 0-10 on the package liner.. it was like she was stuffing a blunt.. nevertheless.. i still failed not based on recent use but 7 months ago. the manager said "they had no appeals to go thru" which i expected. so im stuck out..

now i feel like going to a snoop dog concert with a flame-thrower yelling "fck them all and smoke till your eyes turn green"

yes i have smoked in the past but recent changes in the workforce i knew i needed to 'cut down' which i have drastically...

thing thats really really agg'ing me.. is how they tested me positive for 7 months..when last i remember hitting a joint WAS about 3 months ago..lol
so this exam was really a test to see where exactly my body was.. i know i can pass a UA ( i can do that in my sleep) i know lab test ( not the hair part in detail though) cause i have medical background lab work experience.. im just completely baffled at the results of the Hair exam.. to me i think there is really no set federal standard.. or the ruling is still out on them since obviously labs are going WAY back into some's past to blame them for something which they MIGHT NOT/ARE NOT doing right now..

[killerweed420]

Just another reason we need to bypass this whole bullshit drug testing regime and just legalize pot. People need to be more vocal. I try to bring it up in any conversation I have with anybody.Whether it the owner of the company I work for or some joe on the street. Maybe thats why I got hit with a random last friday?

[trainwreck530]

ok some guy @ the raleys market across the street said they do a hair test that goes back 4 years, and that they invest 5,000$ into every employee. this is crazy. i was going to get a job there, but theres not much that you can do with the hair tests these days. lame


DONNY:stoned:

[killerweed420]

ok some guy @ the raleys market across the street said they do a hair test that goes back 4 years, and that they invest 5,000$ into every employee. this is crazy. i was going to get a job there, but theres not much that you can do with the hair tests these days. lame


DONNY:stoned:

I'd say they are full of shit.

[geonagual]

I hate working for the man, that is why I started my own business.

[giggy]

my gosh, what kind job requires a hair test that goes back more that a year!! must be CIA or somthin...

[raven in your ear]

NOPE,
a simple networking job, for an IT company(however large) but has layoff's every single year, and their stock is pretty much in the crapper...
i have other offers however which i begin to interview with starting later today.. ODDS are im gonna pass the Drug exam since i havent smoked or been exposed to mari-bliss in the past 3 months... i can only hope they dont go the hair follicle exam..
something about that exam seems like an invasion of privacy and rights.. they wont even allow you to get your own examine results nor tell you details... just that you failed. thats it... sorry someone needs to update the stickies listed at the top of the forums CAUSE THEY ARE OUTDATED...

im never smoking/exposing myself again to the green plant.. this is a lesson well learned.. shampoo's dont work, drinks dont work for hair exams..

i feel a breeze now.. cause ive shaved my whole body( FCK EM AND IM GONNA TELL THEM MY GIRLFRIEND MADE ME DO IT CAUSE SHE GOT TIRED OF HAIR GETTING STUCK IN HER TEETH IF THEY ASK ME WHY!).. guess i better take up swimming as a hobby now

[qdavid]

Somehow, I smell a rat here. Paranoia, fear, half truths?

[FakeBoobsRule]

.. sorry someone needs to update the stickies listed at the top of the forums CAUSE THEY ARE OUTDATED...

Ok, what is outdated about the stickies at the top. The Niacin one is what every niacin argument is, the one about "The Truth about drug testing" was closed because it was written by a salesperson and not a lab tech (the author claimed to work for a drug testing company, in sales), the dilution and substitution stickies are right on, those methods haven't changed and there are no new countermeasures by the labs to defeat at the moment. I am planning on making a FAQ when I have enough time and don't have to keep deleting posts. I also need to make a sticky about hair testing and maybe even oral fluids testing.

Still, something is wrong here. Basically by federal rules they can only go back about 3 months. Did they mention anything about your hair can be in a resting state? Your hair might be 1 & 1/2 inches long but because it could be in a resting state and not growing, it could contain longer than 3 months of history. This is more common with body hair than head hair because head hair is usually growing and not in the resting state.

For the person who said they go back 4 years, I am with Geo on this one and calling bullshit. That would be 24 inches of hair and as time goes by, you will lose some of those metabolites.

[raven in your ear]

FBR,
ive already told you as much as they told me, they DID NOT go any further into details. of course before the conversation with the CMO ( chief medical Review officer) started he told me our phone conversation was being recorded and was going to the employer who requested the test.. double whammo.

but as i stated before.. some how some way i DID NOT have to give 3 inches worth of hair.. although the exact amount she got from me im not sure..since(embarresed to admit) she got some long strands from both my armpit... i was assuming they only took hair from 1 side. this lady basically gave me a trim cut with scissors..

again she stated it was the lab that requested the requirments of a full sample be sent so she had to get the most possible....like you i also assumed they would only look back at the past 90 days... nope they went back and found THC from 7 months ago.. thats saying i was exposed/used it like back in Feb. '07.....

truth be told.. she did also hint psychomedics CAN do a historic exam testing a subject for use over a lifetime..but usually they can go back 3 years..( i think 3 yr background is on some terms of federal jobs and such..not sure..hell im baffled cause of something got detected 7 months ago)

federal standards might not be governed by labs in all states yet.. cause they sure as hell went over that so called standard...
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FYI= correction to the spelling of the lab...psychemedics corp.

[killerweed420]

On these crappy jobs like this one why not just be honest?
Tell them drug testing expecially for pot is bullshit. Tell them you smoke from time to time and its none of there fucking business. If they want to retain employees they need to grow up show a little intiative and have a quality place to work.
Enough people do this particularly at shitty place where you really don't want to wotk anyway maybe some will change.

[raven in your ear]

i somewhat agree killerweed420,
but in reality.. im never gonna go to a weak company i go for the large corporations, for prestige & better pay. still its more to that than a simple owner stating hey i want this tested for this duration. i believe its strongly based on politics.. i live in a red state. republican state.. Texas...which is conservative on top of that.. and i consider my self a new age liberal held captive in a red state.. basically the goverment cant find away to place a tax on it.. thats all its about "getting their cut"

if you think about it... what if they did legalize marijauna...tobacco companies would be the 1st large manufactors of the product..
think of malboro janes 100's on sale at the store for $25.00 per pack.
think of Newport blunt kings w/menthol on sale for $35.00 per pack..
in my state a regular pack of smokes at 7-11 cost about $6.48.. with the taxes going to our schools, healthcare welfare, and etc... think of what communities could do with the extra cash is they made it all legal.... but nope.... why?? cause its the #1 commodity that anyone can grow in their own back yard..just abit higher than corn. Funny here in Dallas they found a huge stash of weed crops..right behind the DEA offices!.. and truthfully DEA is getting tired of messing with the stuff cause once they find some, they know there's likely 1000's more somewhere else. Houston was once very close to simply giving tickets for possesion cause of the overcrowding in jails.. hell i think everywhere jail overcrowding is becoming an issue.. what if 4 million smokers all of a sudden decided to get arrested across the nation..do you really think that would have an effect on the conservatives?