View Full Version : what is a F1 hybrid
clovisman
09-26-2007, 11:27 AM
I am currently growing some Willie Nelson and it is listed as a F1 hybrid- I would like to know what F1 stands for- I have an idea but would like the facts
the image reaper
09-26-2007, 03:56 PM
two separate plants (P1), are crossed, the resulting generation is an F1, if those are crossed, they will create F2, etc., etc., ... F1 is fairly stable, F2s can show a wide variation of different phenotypes ... thorough back-crossing to the original parents thru several generations will 'settle down' the differences, and eventually stabilize the strain, allowing further generations to pretty much give identical offspring ... some strains never fully stabilize ... the differing phenos are not necessarily inferior, just different from one another ... it's harder to grow plants of varying heights and characteristics together indoors, that's one problem that presents itself ... :smokin:
P.S. ... good luck with your Willie ... go light on the nitrogen, she's easy to over-feed, very tall, top her early, if you don't have a lot of height, (my cabinet stand 7.5-feet tall) ... I flowered mine for 14 weeks, and still never got a single amber trichome :wtf: ... my outdoor Willies are MUCH better, I really wouldn't recommend it for indoors, if you have a choice ... (Reeferman Willie Nelson = never again) ... :wtf:
stinkyattic
09-26-2007, 03:59 PM
Filial Generation 1
the image reaper
09-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Filial Generation 1
:wtf: ... somebody found a Dictionary :S2:
(I didn't know that :wtf:)
clovisman
09-26-2007, 04:24 PM
two separate plants (P1), are crossed, the resulting generation is an F1, if those are crossed, they will create F2, etc., etc., ... F1 is fairly stable, F2s can show a wide variation of different phenotypes ... thorough back-crossing to the original parents thru several generations will 'settle down' the differences, and eventually stabilize the strain, allowing further generations to pretty much give identical offspring ... some strains never fully stabilize ... the differing phenos are not necessarily inferior, just different from one another ... it's harder to grow plants of varying heights and characteristics together indoors, that's one problem that presents itself ... :smokin:
P.S. ... good luck with your Willie ... go light on the nitrogen, she's easy to over-feed, very tall, top her early, if you don't have a lot of height, (my cabinet stand 7.5-feet tall) ... I flowered mine for 14 weeks, and still never got a single amber trichome :wtf: ... my outdoor Willies are MUCH better, I really wouldn't recommend it for indoors, if you have a choice ... (Reeferman Willie Nelson = never again) ... :wtf:
image reaper thanks for info- just what I thought- i grew some willie last year outdoors and harvested last week of October and had no amber trichs- this season my plants flowered 2 weeks earlier then last so I am hoping they will mature to my liking before it freezes here- i live in the mountains above 2500 feet so early freeze is always a concern of mine- next year I will grow indica- can't go wrong with northern lights much -appreciation for your reply
stinkyattic
09-26-2007, 04:26 PM
:wtf: ... somebody found a Dictionary
Aww come on gimme some credit for my geekiness! No dictionary required!
clovisman
09-26-2007, 04:32 PM
Aww come on gimme some credit for my geekiness! No dictionary required! i don't know about your geekiness but in my book you are a genius- last year I posted a question on how to get denser buds and you recommended molasses- this year i use it and the buds are really solid- amazing how many post this year about molasses when in 2006 i saw none- Stinky i appreciate the help and suggestions from you also
you have my gratitude
romdog11
09-26-2007, 04:32 PM
f1 hybrids also grow 25% faster
the image reaper
09-26-2007, 04:34 PM
Aww come on gimme some credit for my geekiness! No dictionary required!
I am well aware of the vast knowledge tucked away in the recesses of your mind, you brainy female sexpot Cannabis Queen ... :jointsmile:
the image reaper
09-26-2007, 04:37 PM
f1 hybrids also grow 25% faster
I've never heard that particular claim before, but, it would make sense, if true ... whenever two dis-similar strains are crossed, the resultant F1 benefits from 'hybrid vigor', a 'boost' from Mother Nature, that results in healthier growth and potency, sometimes creating a better plant than either of the parents ... good point ... :thumbsup:
stinkyattic
09-26-2007, 04:49 PM
Yeah some of the most vigorous plants I've ever seen are F1 hybrids.
"brainy female sexpot Cannabis Queen"? Oh my goodness!!! That's funny.
romdog11
09-26-2007, 11:10 PM
i have it in print if you guys are interested. it is in the book cannabis cultivation by mel thomas on page 118. says they grow 25% faster.
the image reaper
09-27-2007, 01:33 AM
very good tip :thumbsup:
Comatose
09-27-2007, 09:37 AM
Yup, hybrid vigor is a proven thing. So I'd believe that claim about F1's.
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