How do you deny this?

[jakez]

The fact that there is plenty of former (and probably current) government, FBI, CIA, etc. individuals who are desperately trying to inform the public about a corrupt society in our government and tons of information being withheld from the American people. Even David Rockefeller himself admitting it in a memior, how do some people deny this stuff? I hope someone in this thread will honestly tell me how they can logically disapprove this critical information so easily, because I'd like myself to go back to thinking everything is OK.. looking forward to some legitimate replies..

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I agree with you, but it would be handy to have some examples of "CIA, FBI, and government officials" desperately trying to inform us. How can you ask how they deny it, but not specify what "it" is?

[jakez]

I agree with you, but it would be handy to have some examples of "CIA, FBI, and government officials" desperately trying to inform us. How can you ask how they deny it, but not specify what "it" is?

lol I'm so stoned hitting this Volcano, I immediately thought about linking a ton of videos, but really, all you have to do is watch any of these "government conspiracy" videos. There are SOOOOOO MANY of these CIA, FBI, government, etc. speaking on film. I think it's kind obvious what "it" is but.. it is definitely a secret soceity within our government and whatever else comes along with it. I'm not some expert on the subject so I can't like pinpoint exact people or exact things specifically is corrupt within our government. If it were that easy it would have been done by now. Actually I could name some specific things, but the hundreds of interviews detailing information speaks for itself..

[jakez]

Another note, even if this corruption really did not exist, isn't it worth a try to at least call them out and have some heavily thorough investigations done by trustworthy people? I mean, everyone just denies every bit of evidence without a second thought, it's horrible.

I'm really just sick of all this bashing back and forth between people, and would rather have a calm in depth conversation about it. When I discovered all of this info I immediately came to this forum thinking of course the stoners of all people would know this to be true since the fact Marijuana is illegal is b/s, but I was wrong.

[jakez]

You see, they won't even reply in the thread because they fear this information and refuse to except it or even talk about it. That's OK, it will be hard to ignore our entire currency coming to a screeching hault very soon..

[higher4hockey]

my question to you jake, is if things are in such disarray, what do you plan on doing about it ?

[silkyblue]

too many people "tryin to rule the world"

"Tears for Fears" , sang it,

we all need more money" its only friggin paper"


wtf?

we ALL need our own 'monny printers' plain and simple"

why not!

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

You see, they won't even reply in the thread because they fear this information and refuse to except it or even talk about it.

Jakez, we're ignoring this thread because you've provided nothing to talk about. You can't just say "how can you deny how corrupt the government is!" and not cite a single example. The government or the accusations against it cannot be 100% right or wrong all the time. If you want a debate, name something specific. Nobody can argue against facts that you won't provide.

[ntcrawler]

Former FBI Chief Speaks--Child Kidnapping Epidemic in the U.S. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1888632350775818856&q=former+fbi+speaks+of+corruption&total=20&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)


Former CIA/DEA Drug Trafficker Pilot Beau Abbott Speaks (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5361759159502178650)


Those are just two I got when typing in former CIA or former FBI.

[HighTillIDie]

...what are WE going to do about it higher... why does it have to be anyone alone?

that will never work... first we have to spread truth, and prep people for change

everyone knows you can't change anyone, they have to want it.

and there in lies the problem

[jakez]

my question to you jake, is if things are in such disarray, what do you plan on doing about it ?

Good question, I have been trying to contact the people helping run our country that's what. There isn't a whole lot I can do because I don't know WHAT to do. My first actions have been to inform as many people as possible.

http://boards.cannabis.com/politics/134418-email-i-received-ron-paul-marijuana.html#post1654215

[jakez]

Gandalf, I'm not going to make it that easy. People need to learn to search for information and not have it handed to them. I will let you find out for yourself. It isn't very hard at all and if you are truly interested you will see that.

If you still don't want to play ball lol, I'll link to some quality things later on..

[higher4hockey]

jakez....well at least you're doing something.


hightillidie~the only problem i have with this country is walmart and things not being made in America, so i buy channel lock and snap on. i try to buy things made in the US, other than that i have no complaints. things are going ok for me, i have a nice place to live, a good job , and a nice truck...i dont live in fear and im free.

im not carrying any signs.

[jakez]

I understand you don't want to support the cause or whatever because you have other things to worry about in life. I also have a nice place to live/job/very nice car, etc. fortunetely my work is done online so I have a lot of free time to fill my head with information :)

[jakez]

I really shouldn't need any other proof than this, the only way I see evidence could get any more legit is if the members themselves addressed it to the Nation, which would never happen.. but anyway, here's a start, and it only takes about 10 minutes to read everything here.

Creator of the Illuminati 1776 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Weishaupt)
Confession by David Rockefeller:

"For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure -- one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

David Rockefeller, Memoirs 2002

If you don't know who that is, well you're pretty far behind lol, look him up. Also, if you research who owns all of the major media outlets (tv, radio, etc..) you will find out that it all leads back to people heavy into politics.

Still looking forward to some people who disagree to post instead of dodging the topic......

[HighTillIDie]

jakez....well at least you're doing something.


hightillidie~the only problem i have with this country is walmart and things not being made in America, so i buy channel lock and snap on. i try to buy things made in the US, other than that i have no complaints. things are going ok for me, i have a nice place to live, a good job , and a nice truck...i dont live in fear and im free.

im not carrying any signs.


are you free?

[OLDE ENGLISH '800]

^ or have you just been lead to think you are

[jakez]

If this post were nothing but a link to videos I'm sure these "other people" would be all over this thread that same hour with pointless posts making me out to be a nutjob, but since I've called them out to have a legit discussion about it they are hiding in the dark, 2 days and counting... it's so damn obvious how narrow minded these people are.

[higher4hockey]

are you free?

you being a veteran, i really hope you're not seriously asking me that question.

[mfqr]

The fact that there is plenty of former (and probably current) government, FBI, CIA, etc. individuals who are desperately trying to inform the public about a corrupt society in our government and tons of information being withheld from the American people. Even David Rockefeller himself admitting it in a memior, how do some people deny this stuff? I hope someone in this thread will honestly tell me how they can logically disapprove this critical information so easily, because I'd like myself to go back to thinking everything is OK.. looking forward to some legitimate replies..

It's simple. To deny it you just deny it, while in denial. A lot of people can't believe it, it's too much to handle. For some, at least. Others are just brainwashed, especially to disbelieve any conspiracy theory. That is just one of the things that the media, etc, has driven into people's minds in a subtle way. It was especially funny when George Bush said in a speech to not believe any conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. I can't remember, but did he call people who do believe in conspiracy theories "terrorists"? I think he also said "They are people who are trying to take the blame away from the real culprits, the terrorists." or some shit like that.

[HighTillIDie]

you being a veteran, i really hope you're not seriously asking me that question.


the answer, buddy, is no, and anyone that joins the us military should realize that too... one of the easiest ways to not make a difference in this world is to join the us military. not only then, like most of my friends i served with, you will tie your pride to america... which is just setting yourself up for failure...


i may have killed a few people shooting in my general direction, but i did nothing to stop the anguish back home, did nothing to preserve our freedoms. Not only that i fought, when i did not truely believe in the cause. I followed my orders... and i won't do that again.

[higher4hockey]

having pride in your country because of the military is setting yourself up for failure? i think not.

[mfqr]

I win.

[HighTillIDie]

one should not base themselves around a country, but around the simple human truths we all have... isn't that what america is... the land we suposedly liberated to spread humanity and freedom? obviously not.

eventually every regime, comes to an end... the land may continue on with the same culture, and society... but regimes fall... to pride yourself, that you are living in the global regime of america, is perverse... the idea of that, the idea of such close minded pride, will hold back the advancement of people not only in this country, but the rest of the world...

you may not wake up and consider people in other parts of the world, but why does someone in new jersey mean more to you than someone in montreal>?

why does what makes you comfortable, come above the better good?

[mfqr]

I just win so much, I forgot what it feels like to lose.

[jakez]

wow, moved to the "conspiracy" section..

I couldn't be more right..

Is it "Hell in a handbasket" they say? :stoned: