Giant bubblers

[shaggytodope]

Heres what you get when you grow in 20 gallon recirculating bubblers with co2 in a sealed room, a 3 pound plant. Its about time I got this right. Oh yeah I already chopped the other 3. Its my own pride and joy! I call her #7, nl#5xbbxC99 the blowers in the last photo are 8ft 6 inches apart the plants were 7 foot wide and 4 1/4 feet tall, never toped or pruned, thats what vertical lighting does folks!:thumbsup:

[privatepile]

Very impressive

[xcrispi]

Thats what Im talkin about !!!!!!
It's only 3 plants. ? Honest officer it's all personal :S4:
Crispi :jointsmile:

[shaggytodope]

It was 4 plants. Grown in a 11x11 foot room. 5600 watts total. 1 1k metal halide and a 600 sodium in the middle and 1k sodiums in the corners. Raised floor that all plumbing is under and vortex blowers mount to the floor, floor has sides and a 4 foot x 18 inch hole on one side with furnace filters to keep dust outa my cool tubes. This was a legal medical grow. I can grow six but four seems to be quite enough!:rasta:

[RhinoGrowUK]

Bet the electric bill was naughty !! LoL

[the image reaper]

damn, that's a lot of wattage, you could pipe the heat outside this winter, so it can't snow in your neighborhood, lol ... :thumbsup:

[shaggytodope]

cost about 550 per month, the heat is vented straight outa the roof into the attic and then into vents in my house, heats the house quite good. before I did that though I was the only house on my block with no snow on the roof last winter, was funny to drive up and see my black roof and all others were white:D

[Sarasota1]

I read of someone getting busted because their roof was the only one with no snow on the whole block. Just a thought.

[GDS StonerBoy]

jesus christ 5600 watts for just 3 or 4 plants seems a bit like over kill dont cha think?

[xcrispi]

It was 4 plants. Grown in a 11x11 foot room. 5600 watts total. 1 1k metal halide and a 600 sodium in the middle and 1k sodiums in the corners. Raised floor that all plumbing is under and vortex blowers mount to the floor, floor has sides and a 4 foot x 18 inch hole on one side with furnace filters to keep dust outa my cool tubes. This was a legal medical grow. I can grow six but four seems to be quite enough!:rasta:

Cleanin cooltubes is a p.i.t.a ,
I run a similar room but w/ only 2000w. I use a pleated paper furnace filter over my cooltubes air intake .
Shaggy n Viol. J used to be my neighbors .LOL
Crispi :jointsmile:

[shaggytodope]

This is a legal medical grow, no cop worries here, they have seen it, they have been in my room, they dont care. I can legally grow 12 plants, I only grow 4, they are content, they even commented on how great they looked!

[shaggytodope]

Is it overkill? Remember they are vertical watts so they cover much more vertical square footage then if the were above the plants and to boot try and get 12 lbs outa 4 plants any other way indoors, I have tried for years and the only way imo is lots a vertical light. If you do the math a 11 x 11 foot room is 121 square feet. 5600 watts divided by 121 is 46.28 watts per square foot, I used to run 70 watts per square foot when lights were overhead. I guess you might be able to get the same weight if you filled the room with a thousand clones but thats a prison sentence so is it overkill? I dont think so

[Charles U Farley]

Holy shit Shaggy,wow,could we have a few more pics of your lighting setup,Im intrigued as to how it all works.Its amazing,all of that yeild and the plants were only 4 and 1/2 foot tall.I have been considering at some time in the future using 18 gal.containers but was worried about the vertical limitations in my room.Great job brother,just outstanding,wow.

[doc1212]

damn man thats a bad ass lookin plant bro

[Zeus2007]

Monster...good work

[Charles U Farley]

Do you have any more pics of your layout?I have been thinking about a similar setup sans the vertical lighting but you are making a believer out of me.Seeing as how your bins/buckets/containers setup in a recirculating setup did you have problems with temp issues with so much power/lights/heat in the room or did the cool tubes do the job for you?I think alot of folks would be very interested in the specifics of your grow (well me for sure).How long did you veg etc.Again congrats on the amazing job,more pics please:)

[shaggytodope]

I have a 1/4 horse chiller and two 18 uv sterilizers. I have pics of the room during the biulding process and will add them tomorrow.

[shaggytodope]

My plant doesnt seem to get too tall, they are about 24-30 inches tall and round when they go to 12/12. It seems that most of the stretch goes horizontal toward the lights wich causes so may side branches growing off side branches its rediculous. If you look up some of the Krusty threads you will see the same thing only mine is in dwc not freedom buckets, I tried the KFB's and just could not get the air bubbles I needed to be happy. These buckets get 20 Litres per minute of air each via 4 sweetwater 1x2 inch airstones, pump is an Alita 80. I wiil post more pics tomorrow

[shaggytodope]

the cool tubes did not take care of all the heat, there are 1 10k btu and one 6k btu acs in the room and a dehumidifier, the sealed room will get up to 90% humidity at lights out without the dehudifier, with it it stays around 45-50%

[shaggytodope]

Gonna do a new grow soon, I will post a start to finish thread on it if anyone would like and you will see, might do a different strain, got some Grandday purple cuts

[shaggytodope]

Here are a few more photos I have on hand at ther moment, they arent the best, soory, more to come. the plants in these photos are Frostbite and NL#5

[Charles U Farley]

Hey Shaggy thanks for posting the pics,great ideas,and its really nice when things work as great as they did for you.The pics of the plants are just jaw dropping impressive,all I can say is holy smokes.


two 18 uv sterilizers

Could you let me know what that is?and what you need it for.Thanks again and I look forward to more info and pics,take care and be safe brother.

[Charles U Farley]

Oh,I forgot to ask.With the size of your plants did you have to reinforce the tops of your containers.Just wondering as that is one hell of alot of plant to support.

[xcrispi]

Damn Shaggy ,
You've got BUSH . :) Reminds me of SoQuick back on O/G bro. but safer . :thumbsup No burnt skin / DNA samples hangin off your lights . :) S/Q is at I/C mag. last I saw him .
Peace bro.
Crispi :jointsmile:

[shaggytodope]

Two 18 watt uv sterilizers, an utraviolet light that the nutrient passes through to sterilize the nutrient solution.

The tops of the containers are made out of 1 inch thick polyurethane foam, the pink stuff at home depot. I cut a donut shaped piece out that fits snug inside the top of container and a larger one that sits on top of it with a 6 1/2 inch hole in it, a 6 inch net pot that usaully fits on a 5 gallon bucket sits in the hole. The roots wrap aroud the drain pipe inside and you cant rip them out once their established. getting ready to run again. i will take Pics of the whole thing and post em, Peace and thanks for the good words!!

[Charles U Farley]

Thank you for sharing.Cant wait to see the pics.I guess Im pretty fired up to see as much as I can of what youve done as I have been thinking about a similar setup for some time now,its great to see someone kick ass with it.Ill be watching for the pics brother,take care and be well.

[shaggytodope]

Hera are a couple buds and some pics of the room, im in the process of cleaning right now, big roots are a pain to clean up. The drains come through 2 inch female thread bulkhead fittings and then up up to desired water level, I do not get any clogs with the 2 inch drain but just to be safe i have a 1 inch overflow glued in as well a bit higher. The blowers all suck air through the floor after going through doubled up furnace filters, every light has its own blower, Im moving 2160 CFM through my lights, summer is a bitch but I let my temps run up to 92 degrees. Some might think thats too hot but with a sealed room with C02 its working sweet and I think they like it. I am using a Plant Pro contoller wich I got for free brand new and a greenair CD-6 Propane generator. The girls will eat through about 7-10 gallons of propane per month. In veg and especially during the stretch the last four plants were using 30 gallons of water daily! I run GH Flora 3 part with a straight lucas formula the last 5 weeks and never go above 1000 ppm, never needed to, Peace

[shaggytodope]

hope some of this helps

[Charles U Farley]

Hey Shaggy great pics,the controller bucket looks like I plumbers nightmare, just teasing.I appreciate all the pics you posted of the setup and am definitely saving this for future reference.Take care and be well my friend.

[floyd2zapper]

Shaggy that has to be the most inspiring grow i have seen that set up is amazing 3lb a plant would be hard for any pro grower to beat i would think.Do you give lessons on growing lol cos i want 1.:)

Take it easy.:thumbsup:

[Weedhound]

AMAZING sized plants. REALLY STUNNING! I'm afraid I'm not up to putting anything near that much time, energy or money into my grow but that really is a GORGEOUS harvest of trees there. :thumbsup:
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[shaggytodope]

Hey Shaggy great pics,the controller bucket looks like I plumbers nightmare, just teasing.I appreciate all the pics you posted of the setup and am definitely saving this for future reference.Take care and be well my friend.

The controller bucket has othe parts floating in it right now in a monocloramine solution for cleaning. its really not a big deal, just looks like it at the moment

[shaggytodope]

Shaggy that has to be the most inspiring grow i have seen that set up is amazing 3lb a plant would be hard for any pro grower to beat i would think.Do you give lessons on growing lol cos i want 1.:)

Take it easy.:thumbsup:

You dont have to be a pro man, YOU CAN DO IT! I was forced to try the KFB's because of legal plants #s for me and I was Impressed! I just could not get the bubble froth deal the way I would like it and my piston air pump is too loud. So I tried the dwc and wow all i can ays is WOW! never looked back since then. Its really not that difficult, just expensive to set up. ! believe anyone can get 1 1/2 pounds in any 5 gallon +bubbler with side lighting from almost any starin that isnt a single cola plant, some starins just need more veg time than others to get up to size. I only got 10.5 oz's from my frostbite but it was growing in the room with 3 NL#5s and they were 3 times bigger and had to be switched to 12/12. If I had all four being the frostbites and let them get big surely I would have trippled the yield and not to mention my C02 sensor was way out of calibration on that one and they were getting poisoned with around 2500PPM C02.

We need a good C02 thread going, I was for a long time confused about what was wrong in my room, I would put new plants in there and they would go to crap overnight spent a year and couldnt figure it out until I noticed my sensor was reading 0PPM C02 in ambient air, once I recalibrated it, was a night and day difference. Some people dont realize C02 can and will kill your plants or at least destroy your yield. The buds would grow and just when you would expect them to start a crazy flush of growth in the last few weeks they would not do anything but ripen at that size. Maybe not such a big deal in a vented room but in a sealed room its disastrous

[shaggytodope]

AMAZING sized plants. REALLY STUNNING! I'm afraid I'm not up to putting anything near that much time, energy or money into my grow but that really is a GORGEOUS harvest of trees there. :thumbsup:
,

you can get 4 pounds of 4 plant easy without spending all the money, you need:

Minimum 5 x 600k hanging VERTICAL

four DWC's setup recirculating

Gh three part

lots of air going in and out, like 1200 + cfm

TDS meter

ph tester and a room

Now just do it!

[shaggytodope]

I do not consider myself to be a pro at all, I am still learning. I read ALOT, take ideas from other threads and apply them to my situation. I would be happy to walk anyone through a setup like this or even kinda like it. anything I can do to help anyone to lower their plant #s and risk while improving yield I will do.

Floy2zapper- I would be happy to start a new thread or use this one to give you a start at this method! Just let me know

[shaggytodope]

Hell you could do it in a smaller foot print with 400 watters and i bett you would get at leat 1/2 LB per plant, that 1 pound per 1kw, I would be very unhappy with anything less than 1 pound per 1 kw when I know you can get 2+

[QWIDGYBO]

Latewood has come up with a GH Nutes schedule that he reckons produces almost twice as much as the Lucas formula. I thought you might be interested...Here's the link...http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/93676-proven-nutrients-all-you-need-gh-3-part-calmag.html
By the way nice setup. That is really quite amazing. How can that be ok for medical though? 12 pounds?.......:D

[shaggytodope]

I know cause I use it

[Weedhound]

Lol.....little more than I want to get into but thanks for the vote of confidence. I'll just admire yours from a distance. :)

[Markass]

that's an amazing grow dude..wow is all I can say...I bet your house has a nice fragrance to it :):stoned:

[shaggytodope]

Ok here it goes. Gonna do a start to finish grow. I figure Ill put it in this thread since, well its relevant! Here are some pics of the room almost ready to go, been running bleach solution for two weeks, I just got lazy but hey its sterile now. Pics are mostly self explanatory but here it goes. The buckets are from Wally World, $8. Each bucket has a 2 inch double female threaded bulkhead at the bottom on the side. A two inch ABS pipe is threaded inside and out for the overflow drain and drain to main drain manifold. Main drain manifold it under the floor and is 4 inch PVC. I used plastic toilet flanges screwed to the floor to connect my main drain to and the drains from the bucket turn down with a 90 DEG fitting and extend about 3 inches into the drains. The overflow drain pipe inside the bucket goes from the bulkhead to the other side of the bucket and turns up with a 90 DEG , its about 12 inches from the drain to the bottom of the bucket. I did this because the root ball wraps the overflow pipe and holds the plants up quite well.

You can see in the pics the homemade lids cut out of pink polyurethane foam. One is cut to fit the inside of the bucket, the cut is tapered so it fits snug and will not fall in, it acts as a drip ring so no nutes that splash up dont leak out. The second lid is made from the same material only it is 1 1/2 inch thick as opposed to the 3/4 material used for the drip ring. On top of that I use a foam board that is 1/2 inch thick and foil clad for blocking light out and for reflectivity, the hole in this piece is the same size as a net pot that fits a 5 gallon bucket. I use the 6 inch net pots because I start my babies in 4 inch rockwool cubes and they fit snug in them and require just a cup or so of hydroton to fill in the sides. I also believe they leave more room iside the bucket for a humid air gap between the nute level and the drip ring.

Each bucket has 3 sweetwater 1x2 inch 3/16 barb airstones, I have tried them all and these are the most reliable, virtually clog proof. The buckets are aerated with an ALITA AL-80 air pump $259 on ebay at HIDHUT. Each buckets gets 20 litres of air per minute, look at the bubbles!

Main feed pump is at Little giant 1250 GPH submersible from home depot for $100 in the pond section. Pumps through a 1 inch PVC manifold next to each bucket then reduced to a 1/2 inch ball vavle. The ball valves are necessary to equalize the flow otherwise the closest buckets to the pump get more flow. I find a 1/4 turn shut works good. From the valves 1/2 inch black poly tube goes up and through a rubber grommet about 4 inches down from the bucket top. From there a 90 DEG barb fitting goes down with more 1/2 inch poly tube to the bottom of the bucket so the buckets fill from the bottom up. Some may say this is not necesaary but if you dont do this you will never be able to do a full nute change. When the pump is turned off the nutes back siphon and it suck the buckets dry. The downfall to this is if the power goes out you WILL have a flood. So I have a ball valve connected to the pump output so I can shut it off and leave the buckes full. I plan on installing a electric solenoid valve in place of this ball valve that is normally closed, when plugged in the valve will be open and if power goes out it will close preventing floodage.

I use a PACIFIC COAST 1/6th HP aquarium chiller with heater control for my total of 70 gallons of nutes. For the most part it works great but, if it gets really hot it doesnt cut it and I have to duct the AC into its coils to keep temps down, only in the summer. I will be trading it in for a 1/4 horse unit that doulbes the cooling BTU's. I keep my chiller set at 65 DEG but it fluctuates between 64 and 70 depending on the temps in the room. Cheapest prices on the chillers is at Aquarium chillers, chiller, universal marine industries, UMI,pacific coast, aqua medic, red sea aquanetics, Aquatic Technology,Coolworks IceProbe (http://www.aquatictech.com/chillers.html) Two 300 watt aquarium heaters keep the temps up when its cold.

All ballast are in seperate room, chiller and res is in a different room.

Lights are as follows
4x 1k HPS in corners and 1x1k MH and one 600 HPS in the middle all in cooltubes. Each of the five light setups have their own 440 CFM vortex blower mounted to the floor and exiting through the cieling. Got the blowers for $159 each on Ebay, beats the hell outa the $300 they want at my local grow shop. The floor is raised 14 inches and has an opening 48 inches wide with furnace filters attaches to keep the dust outa the cooltubes.

I have a 60 pint per day dehumidifier in the room and 1 10k BTU and 1 6k BTU ac unit in the room as well. I would have used one bigger unit but I had these on hand. A dehumidifier is mandatory in a sealed room or the humidity will go way high at lights out, mine will go up to 90+ RH without it and with it it stay aroun 40-45 Grow room temps run around 85-93 DEG lights on and 70-75 DEG lights out. The last 10 days of 12/12 I chill the room down to 55 deg for the ladies that like to purple up! Some of you might not agree with me on the high temps but its working good for me.

I use a plant pro greenhouse controller with a 240 volt power expander for the lights. The room has its own 70 AMP panel.

Co2 comes via a greenair CD-6 propane generator and is set to 1600 PPM
I have two 14 inch oscillating fans mounted high on two sides of the room and they do the job well.

Chicken wire is screwed to the entire cieling for tying up branches , it is necessary!

I use two 18 WATT Jebo uv sterilizers for nutrient sterilization from EBAY for $30 each

Nutes are GH 3 part Flora series and CAL MAG using latewoods mix, works the best, Thanx to Latewood! I used to use Hygrozyme religiously and think its a great product but still occaisionally got a bit of root funk. Changed to the SWEETWATER air diffusers and using SM-90 and PYHTOFF and all those troubles are gone.

For those of you who dont know what PYTHOFF is it will be avialable in december at HYDRORX.COM. The site might not be up yet but will be soon I am told. Pythoff has been used in Australia for years in Hydro veggie farms. It is basically Chlorine but in a different form, MONOCHLORAMINE. It only takes 10-20ml every 3 days to keep my sytem sterile and free of the funk, I got the commercial strenght, the hobby strength takes a little more and cost $25 per litre. I was lucky enough to get 4 litres of commercial strength sent to me from Flairiform, the manufacturer. It does kill every living bacteria in your nutes so for those of you that like the bio goodies growing in there its not for you. Monochloramine is used widely to treat community water supplies as it has a longer half life than chlorine. This stuff is harmless to plants, I have accidentally used it tripple strenght in my areo cloner and it didnt hurt a thing, only effect was perfectly snow white healthy roots.

Stay tuned, new babies going in by next week.

[shaggytodope]

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[Charles U Farley]

Hey Shaggy,thanks for the posting the pics and the info,its exactly what I was looking for from your grow.Very interesting ideas and informative as well.Not sure I would be able to duplicate all of the great ideas you have implemented but it gives me and all of us insights as how you got your amazing yields. Great job,great ideas,and great construction skills,thanks again for sharing Shaggy,take care and be well brother.

[shaggytodope]

Hey C U farley, I am ready to put new babies in now but, a friend of mine just got some Granddady Purple clones, I am going to get them tomorrow. Would be interesting to see the yield with a different strain, not my homemade monster strain, Whataya think, should I. I think some peeps would like to see a GDP grow!

[Charles U Farley]

Hey Shaggy,I dont know about anyone else but Ive to see the kind of yeilds your killer setup would produce with GDP.Congrats on the obtaining the clones,I just missed out some last year,Id love to give GDP a shot.

Shaggy could you refresh my memory and tell what your strain is/was?Thanks again for the pics and info.Take care brother

[shaggytodope]

I had some NL#5xBlueberry I boughth 6 years ago from emery made by the British Columbia Seed Company. It was and still is one of my favs. They called it Big Blue. I had it growing along side some ak47, NL#5, Skywalker and two Brothers Grimm C99's. One of the C99's was a male and I let him shed pollen on the entire crop for one day. I got hundreds of C99 f-2s, 8-ak47xc99, a hundred or so Skywalker x C99, couple dozen NL#5 x C99 and 16 Big Blue x C99 beans. The only ones I have ever sprouted were 7 of the Big Blue X C99's. The plant labled #7 was the best one, has extreme vigor, huge solid crystal coated buds and a very high calyx to leaf ratio. I have been growing it for over 2 1/2 years. It grows like a 50/50 indica sativa, bud structure like an indica and smokes like a sativa. It smells like frootloops, has an almost piney astringent taste and gets you ripped off two or three hits. The flavor is not my favorite, it just doesnt make me drool. All of my buddies disagree with me and think its great, they love it and would be but hurt if it was gone. I am in the process of cubing it and right now am on the 2nd backcross. I dont know if I am doing it right or not but I took a nice white widow male and crossed it to her, grew those seeds and crossed a male to her and am now crossing her her with a male from those seeds, Ill probably just keep doing that for a couple more years. The funny thing is that I have a shitload of the first white widow cross to her and the seeds from that cross grow almost like clones, the are almost perfectly uniform, like 98% and have the purple on the underside of the first few sets of leave like the blueberry. I have never kept a female from this cross but i bet they are great. Anyway I call this strain #007 because it was the seventh seedling and it is so low smell you wouldnt believe it, I have no carbon scrubber, no ozone, no smell control whatsoever and you cannot smell these with your nose on the growroom door, super steath! super yield! super potent! just wish it had super flavor, like the GDP, this shit leaves like a grape/berry taste in your mouth long after smoking it, it freaking candy, I just smoked some, wow! But I am curious on the GDP yield as my friend that gifted them to me doesnt do shit right and gets small yields/small plants. If I cant get get 1.5 lb per plant it isnt worth the electric bill.

[tasermebro]

I know that I'm late on this thread.However I'm glad you made this post on large yielding plants.I got tired of hearing that you can't get large yields on indoor plants.It brings people's hopes down a lot.It's also a great idea to inform people about the laws and plant counts, your method is a lot safer.I also agree that if you aren't growing for a good amount you are wasting your time.With the risk and growing exspense why not grow enough to last you for a while.If you are just growing for a couple of oz's just save your grow room money and go buy it off of someone honestly.Good job you have just given me some hope.:rastasmoke:

[klup]

WOW im on your dick now too. sick bushes

[8182KSKUSH]

WTF!!!
Can someone clarify the laws in Missouri? What am I missing here?

[shaggytodope]

Will post some pics of my frostbite girls tommorrow. they will hit the 4 week mark of 12/12 on the fith of this month, Feb. Sorry I didnt get the start to finish grow started, my mom got cancer and I was out of town for a bit. To the guy with the missouri question, I am not in missouri, but if you want you can guess where I am.

[shaggytodope]

When I type in cannabis.com in my browser I get some bullshit and can log in and everything but have no avatar, no pics, basically no profile and the site looks different, when I click on my desktop shortcut to this thread its all like its supposed to be, avatar, pics all of it? anyone else experiance this

[shaggytodope]

Here are the Frostbites from Chimera. ihope you can see what a difference vertical side lighting does. these pants have never been topped, the only trimming done was in the inside of the bushes because they were as dense in the middle as they are on the outside and no air could have possibly getting in there plus all those little sukers in there that wouldnt amount to anything. I trimmed away almost a 50 gallon trash bag worth of leaves and small spindly shoots from the insides. These are very slow growing plants, but probably the most stout bushiest plant i have ever grown. They are like bonsai bushes with nearly 3 inch trunks and are nearly 5 foot wide and about 4 feet tall. The last cutting I grew from this mom was 1/3 the size of these and my c02 sensor was out of wack and poisoning the room with co2 and I got 10.5 dry oz from that one. We will see what these do. Sorry about the pics with the bright lights, couldnt help it. Peace

[shaggytodope]

Here are a couple more

[shaggytodope]

Sorry about the really dark pic, you can still see how full the room is and for anyone that hasnt read the entire thread this room is 11x11 feet inside with four plants in 20 gallon recirculating bubblers with remote res, 5600 WATTS! 4 1K sodiums in the corners and a 1K MH and a 600 HPS in the middle, 1500ppm C02, 90 degrees because my plant like it! the room is sealed tight, no air exchanges ever, air conditioned and dehumidified runing latewoods recipe but not as strong. When I do my weekly 80 gallon res change, its 80 with the res beacuse the bubblers arent all the way full and the root masses are HUGE I end up with a 1100 ppm mix as follows:
80 Gallons tap water, My water comes out of the tap at 20-30ppm dont be jealous!
GH Micro 500ml
GH Bloom 1000ml
GH Grow 200 ml
Hygrozyme 500ml
SM-90 240ml
calmag + 300ml
They seem to really love this mix, Peace

[shaggytodope]

Oh yeah The PH starts out with a freash mix at 5.5 and by the next day its about 6.0 and I adjust it down to 5.6 once and from there it goes up to 5.9 to 6.1. I try not to add much ph up or down and as long as its not over 6.0 I leave it, if for some reason it goes down I wont do anything unles it hits 5.5 and then I will bring it up to 5.8 and leave it. I forgot to mention each bucket has 3 SWEETWATER air stones in them and 1Alta AL80 air pump does the job of delivering 20 litres of air per minute to each bucket. The res also has a chiller plumbed to it and a 18 watt uv sterilizer, the nute temps are kept at a steady 68 F, Peace

[tasermebro]

Great pics,those plants are sick!!!!!!! that branch will have to be cut down with a chainsaw lol!!

[tasermebro]

Can you achieve those results with the simple airstone setup? not running a recurculating setup???

[shaggytodope]

Here are the Frostbites from Chimera. ihope you can see what a difference vertical side lighting does. these pants have never been topped, the only trimming done was in the inside of the bushes because they were as dense in the middle as they are on the outside and no air could have possibly getting in there plus all those little sukers in there that wouldnt amount to anything. I trimmed away almost a 50 gallon trash bag worth of leaves and small spindly shoots from the insides. These are very slow growing plants, but probably the most stout bushiest plant i have ever grown. They are like bonsai bushes with nearly 3 inch trunks and are nearly 5 foot wide and about 4 feet tall. The last cutting I grew from this mom was 1/3 the size of these and my c02 sensor was out of wack and poisoning the room with co2 and I got 10.5 dry oz from that one. We will see what these do. Sorry about the pics with the bright lights, couldnt help it. Peace


Hey guys the pic on the top right in this message isnt the same grow I must have clicked the wrong pic, just so ya know

[shaggytodope]

Can you achieve those results with the simple airstone setup? not running a recurculating setup???

I am sure you could do pretty well but the recirculating system gives you total control over PH, PPM, Nute Temp, ETC. plus Nute changes are easy with my setup. My feed lines are 1/2 inch and they come in the bucket at the top on the side and then go down inside to the bottom. Since my buckets are are a raised floor and my res is not when I turn my pupm off all the buckets back siphon to the res while I am pumping it outside so I get 100% nute changes. Another factor is that big plants drink ALOT! These four go through at least 20 gallons a day right now. So if you had one of these by herself in a 5 gallon or even a 20 gallon bucket you would be putting water in every 2 or 3 hour while light are on PITA!!
But seriously, You can build a recirculating system so easy, Even if your only pumping one gallon an hour into the bucket with a tiny tube and even if your res is just another bucket. Just put yout drain about an inch or so below the bottom of the net pot, could be 1/2 inch hose and a little air stone hose to feed it from the top down into the bottom, so easy:

2 buckets
An aquarium powerhead for pump
two rubber grommet from grow shop
Air hose
Air pump
Air stone
Two hose barbs
Net pot
Nutes

Now you are recirculating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

[palerider7777]

bad ass grow nice work :thumbsup:

[shaggytodope]

here are the Frostbites at 8 weeks, I will start the flush at 8 1/2. Never logged them before but obviosly they are early plants, maybe thats why Chimera doesnt offer them anymore. I dont mind the extra weeks, these will easily put out 2lbs each probably more but I dont want to put the kybosh on em. Having some kind of bug problem, like tiny little brown thrip like mealy critters. They make the leaves look bad but dont seem to be slowing anything down, I put a can of purge in a dispenser in there set every 9 minutes for a week and it didnt kill em. There are 4 plants here in a 11x11 foot room 5600 watts on sides ans middle and 2 x 600s underneath, wow you should see my elec bill. but for 8-10 lbs off 4 plants ill pay it. I am permitted for 12 mature plants but like the big bushes, low numbers plus it gives me room to try new moms and do a little breeding, peace

[shaggytodope]

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[shaggytodope]

anyone know what bugd leave little trails of destruction on the top of the leaf only and some kind of shiny residue behind that gets little black specks in them, kinda like some honeydew crap left on leaf with some king of mildew that grows on the dew crap. Buds are not affected at all just leaves? Help!

[CashandPrizes]

amazing plants man, makes me think of switching from soil! :thumbsup:

[Earthy Dank]

Mad props shaggy.. Those are huge and are obvisiouly drippin with resin... You are a badass.

[grey1223]

jesus christ 5600 watts for just 3 or 4 plants seems a bit like over kill dont cha think?

Not at all, he's getting about a gram per watt.

[wman44]

nuggalicious!!!

[palerider7777]

maybe sum type of worm?are they eating the leafs or what?

[dejayou30]

Those are some incredible plants! The one of your stem is insane! How did you get a med license in MO? I didn't think they were a medical state? :wtf:

[shaggytodope]

Got it comfirmed , THRIPS and maybe I am not in missouri, As far as those stem/stalks TRUNKS it genetic, the frostbite does it.I dont think you can kill this strain if you tried. Thanks for all the props! A gram per watt is about right. But as for the last four weeks of 12/12 I got 6800 watts going. The electric company loves me! We will see what the final total is in about 3 weeks. I will take more pics before I chop em down. I got one stalk over 3 inches thick, its insane, like trees but less than 4 feet tall. Only thing about this strain I hate is the smell away from the romm smells like rottten fruit, its nasty but up close its d-dank. peace!!:pimp:

[shaggytodope]

Not at all, he's getting about a gram per watt.

Finally someone who understands. I know peeps that wont use more than 1k in a whole bedroom and they wonder why they get 2 zips off a 6 foot tree. By the way got the hot tip on a new company gettin ready to break loose witha complete line of controllers and such timer,tep humidty, cycle timer and C02, Yes digital C02 controll for $300 bucks out da door, will keep ya posted!Not Made in China either!!

MORE LIGHT ALWAYS EQUALS MORE WEIGHT!!!!!

[shaggytodope]

amazing plants man, makes me think of switching from soil! :thumbsup:

If you do it you will never look back, I dare anyone to get monsters like this in dirt indoors, I have tried. I am not arrogant, just want someone to pull it off to make a believer outa me. Man I am HIGH so If my spelling sucks I am not a retard just STOOONED! OFF THE GRANDADDY PURPLE!!!!!!!!!

[Mr. Clandestine]

Killer grow logs, man... those are some damn trees! Keep it coming, this is inspiring.

+rep to ya! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[daihashi]

Amazing grow!!!! Repped you on the grow. Great job! :thumbsup:

[shaggytodope]

I am gonna break out my old olympus camera tomorrow, it take BAD ASS MACROS this new 7.1 MP sanyo just dont cut it!

[shaggytodope]

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[daihashi]

Did you use to live in Texas (looking at flag next to your name).

Man what an amazing grow; wish you did live in Texas. I would love to talk to you outside the board about it.

I'm also in the gun slinging state btw.

I just look at these pics and am still amazed.

[Mr. Clandestine]

Amazing buds, man! Sorry if you've mentioned it recently, but what strain are you currently working with now? Regardless, awesome! Check your User CP, bro.

[BobBong]

Please remember to read the rules,
Thanks.

[shaggytodope]

Amazing buds, man! Sorry if you've mentioned it recently, but what strain are you currently working with now? Regardless, awesome! Check your User CP, bro.

Thanks to all for the reps. I am knobody special. Anybody can do this, knowbody taught me anything. I learned all I know from people like you on these boards and trial and error. The start of overgrow.com was the begining of my success. Mad props go out to KRUSTY, BIG TOKE, LUCAS, CHIMERA, HIGHGRADE, man too many to list! I could not be where I am without these threads to read and the knowledge of people like all of you!!!!

:thumbsup:THANK YOU ALL!!!:jointsmile:

The current gorw and pics are Chimeras Frostbite. I am currently working with the following moms,
1 Frostbite
2 NL#5
3 Grandaddy Purple
4#7 wich is Big blue BCSC wich is NL#5x Blueberry then I crossed selected mom with Grimm C99, My best yielder but the high freaks me out

5 Mendo purps, finally got a good mom
6 Skywalker, got a huge yielding mom from dutch passion

I got a seed library of about 1000 seeds and probably 200 strains of wich about 20 are crosses I made.I have been buying and collecting seeds for about 12 years now and all are kepy in a sealed light proof jug in the fridge. My 12 year old seeds still sprout 90% of the time.

I got a huge problem though, I cant decide what to try next, its been killing me trying to choose.

[GrowMe]

Wish we had that problem shaggy.. :D Amazing plants there! You've given me shit tons of ideas for my upcoming grow.. I can't seem to stay outta this thread.. Again thats freakin awesome!!!!!!!!!!

[stinkyattic]

Some of you need to check your private messages.

Shaggy, great looking plants.

[shaggytodope]

The girls are flushing right now on PH 5.8 20PPM water. Heres a macro shot, Sorry but its the best I can do at the moment, Peace!

[daihashi]

The girls are flushing right now on PH 5.8 20PPM water. Heres a macro shot, Sorry but its the best I can do at the moment, Peace!

my god that's beautiful. I just want to lick the trich's off of that thing.

Great grow. :thumbsup:

[shaggytodope]

Well, the results are in. I had horrible thrips damage to the plants and there were dead little buds all over in the bottoms of the plants. I got 3808 grams of super clean sticky buds and feel that was pretty good considering that the pile of untrimmable branshes filled a fifty gallon hefty bag.so thats 2.125 pounds per 40 inch tall, 7 foot wide plant under 5600 watts wich gives me .68 grams per watt. I find that getting the one gram per watt is possible in this system, I have done it about 2 out of 3 times but, if anything goes south, bugs, heat stress, root stress, overfeeding, the one gram per watt goes south as well. .60 is the sorst I have ever done and 1.04 is the best. I am going to start another grow report within this thread in the next week or so. I am goibg to be growing a different strain of my own creation in this room and in a 50x50 inch hydrohut with 600 watt metle halide and a 600 watt HPS in cooltubes connected together hanging vertical in the middle 4 plants in the same pattern and these will be a test grow of the GRANDADDY PURPLE for the purpose of filling my large area with it next time if yields feel right. I got this cutting a while ago and have never smoked anything that tatste even close. it taste like grape koolaide and the high is my altime favorite PERIOD, Peace Shaggy.

[shaggytodope]

here are a couple pic of the GRANDADDY BUD PURPLE . You probably cant see any purple but it is there. the room was quite warm and we still got nice purples. It was only one plant about 20 inches tall in coco husk and perlite, we got 4 ounces off it so I am hping for a good yield off the test grow. The test grow plants will be in 5 gallon bubbles, 4 pants in a 4x4foot room with the light hanging in the middle. if I can get 6 ounces or more from each plat at that size They will get a full run under the big lights

[mrIncognito]

:thumbsup:

Great Job!!! I was wondering if you noticed any ill effects from using the UV sterilizer?? I'm planning to install one in my recirculating system but I read somewhere that it may cause the iron to fall out of suspension. I've been battling with an algae problem in my resorvoir and I'm thinking that the UV filter will help out tremendously. Great job once again, I'm pretty envious of your mom selection. Oh yeah any more info on those cheaper co2 controllers....?

[shaggytodope]

:thumbsup:

Great Job!!! I was wondering if you noticed any ill effects from using the UV sterilizer?? I'm planning to install one in my recirculating system but I read somewhere that it may cause the iron to fall out of suspension. I've been battling with an algae problem in my resorvoir and I'm thinking that the UV filter will help out tremendously. Great job once again, I'm pretty envious of your mom selection. Oh yeah any more info on those cheaper co2 controllers....?

Never had any problems at al, I worried about that to after reading about it but it didnt happen to me. i dont use it anymore. Get some Pythoff by Flairiform and it will keep your nutes near sterile and say goodbye to root problems forever, I swear by this stuff!

[greenatik]

un fuckin believable man

those are really big - im use to seein plants that big out in the sun!

:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

[Hazeus]

...you're my freaking hero. I might consider worshiping you as these photos are evidence that you actually answer prayers!

[PlantHeadJ]

BEAUUUUUUTIFUL!!! I've heard a lot about that Grandaddy Purple. Keep up the good work!!

Oh and how does one check their PM?!?!?

[shaggytodope]

HERE IS THE LATEST START. IT IS MY OWN GIRLS, MY #7. wATCH THIS ONE GROW. THEY WERE 5 INCH CLONES AND PLACED IN THE BIG BUCKETS ON MAY 5TH. THESE PLANT HAVE NOT BEEN TOPPED, OR TRIMMED. TO ALL OF YOU WHO WONDER, YES! I AM VEGGING THESE PLANTS UNDER THE FULL 5600 WATTS! WATCH EM GO.

[shaggytodope]

THE DATE ON THE IMAGES IS WRONG CAMERA NOT SET. JUST FYI

[Technique2]

Helluva job!:thumbsup:

Awesome methods, humble approach, appreciation given, lots of good karma in here, it's no wonder your plants yield this much to you.:thumbsup:

[DaBudhaStank]

Well, the results are in. I had horrible thrips damage to the plants and there were dead little buds all over in the bottoms of the plants. I got 3808 grams of super clean sticky buds and feel that was pretty good considering that the pile of untrimmable branshes filled a fifty gallon hefty bag.so thats 2.125 pounds per 40 inch tall, 7 foot wide plant under 5600 watts wich gives me .68 grams per watt. I find that getting the one gram per watt is possible in this system, I have done it about 2 out of 3 times but, if anything goes south, bugs, heat stress, root stress, overfeeding, the one gram per watt goes south as well. .60 is the sorst I have ever done and 1.04 is the best. I am going to start another grow report within this thread in the next week or so. I am goibg to be growing a different strain of my own creation in this room and in a 50x50 inch hydrohut with 600 watt metle halide and a 600 watt HPS in cooltubes connected together hanging vertical in the middle 4 plants in the same pattern and these will be a test grow of the GRANDADDY PURPLE for the purpose of filling my large area with it next time if yields feel right. I got this cutting a while ago and have never smoked anything that tatste even close. it taste like grape koolaide and the high is my altime favorite PERIOD, Peace Shaggy.

When I read this, I seriously got dizzy. My head started swimming, I almost fell off my chair, and I literally laughed out loud, that kind of laugh where you just don't know what to do with yourself, the kinda crazy laugh. I don't even know what to think.

[shaggytodope]

HERE ARE THE SAME PLANTS ALMOST 30 DAYS LATER. THEY HAVE FILLED THE 10.5X10.5 FOOT ROOM WALL TO WALL AND ARE 2.5 WEEKS INTO 12/12. IF THIS DOESNT SPEAK FOR THE POWER OF BIG BUBBLING BUCKETS I DONT KNOW WHAT WILL. THEY WERE ABOUT 1/3 THIS SIZE THE FIRST DAY THE LIGHTS WENT TO 12/12, MAYBE EVEN A BIT SMALLER.

[shaggytodope]

FOR THOSE WHO DONT WISH TO READ BACK A FEW PAGES YOU ARE LOOKING AT 4 PLANTS IN A 10.5X10.5 ROOM, THEY WILL AND HAVE COMPLETELY FILLED THE ROOM AND WILL PUT OUT 10LBS OF TRIMMED BUD. IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ITS POSSIBLE READ THE ENTIRE THREAD AND BUILDD A ROOM LIKE THIS AND YOU WILL SEE THE LIGHT. WITH 2 MEDICAL CARDS IN THE HOUSE WE CAN LEGALLY GROW 12 PLANTS, IMAGINE. I CAN BARELY SACRIFICE ENOUGH ROOM FOR 4 PLANTS. STAY TUNED FOR WEEKLY PHOTOS AND WATCH THE BUDS GROW AS BIG AS 2 LITRE POP BOTTLES. THANX TO ALL FOR THE GREAT KARMA. IF ANYONE NEEDS ANY HELP PUTTING A SYSTEM LIKE THIS TOGETHER JUST ASK AND I WILL DO WHAT I CAN FROM HERE, PEACE AND POT! SHAGGY

[hydrocannabis]

am I seeing things or is that an ass load of buds.

so the king of growing is agen wit a nother huge ass grow..


its cool that U wanted to grow more but didn't U yield like around a years worth of weed last time.

Ur problying doing it for the love of growing. I can't growing my MM also. cuz now my back alwase feels better after tokeing it.

laters.:thumbsup:

[hydrocannabis]

I ment to say: I can't quit growing my MM also. cuz now my back alwase feels better after tokeing it.

[shaggytodope]

Here are the 4 girls at 7 weeks 3 days of 12/12. they have about 2 weeks to go and have completely overgrown my 10.5x10.5 foot room, I cant even crawl unders these monsters. I am going to start the flush in two days. This is the first time I have grown this strain, My #7 with the sweetwater air diffusers in the buckets, they have never grown this big with the other air stones. I tripped a breaker in the house for my bath and hallway and the panel is in the back of the grow room and its not getting switched back on until they are cut. The buckets are a good 16 inches tall and the plants have swallowed them and the bottom branches are on the floor, its ridiculous! Sweetwater stones ROCK, the Alita air pumps kick ass as well. The Supernatural Bud Blaster is freaking me out, this is bad ass stuff here, Shaggy

[hydrocannabis]

pix please?

[shaggytodope]

Here they are at 7 weeks 3 days of 12/12. They have about 2 weeks left. The flush will start in two days. To date these are the biggest yet, it is impossible to get into the room, you can crawl under at all, the bottom branches have grown down the sides of the 20 gallon buckets and across the floor. SUPERNATURAL BUD BLASTER KICKS ASS!!!!!!!!!, SHAGGY

[shaggytodope]

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[blink_inc]

that must take FOREVER to trim...

Well done.

[shaggytodope]

Trimming is easy with this strain, but yes its a PITA. Thanx for the comment, Shaggy

[joedirte]

OH. My.God. Becky... i wish i was your neibhor...

who ever thought a pothead could walk amongst gods...

no. you ARE a god.

[joedirte]

when you die and go into the afterlife, they WILL have a nice big room waiting for you to grow in.

[InTheTrees]

Wow, just amazing!

Shaggy, im new to these boards and id like to introduce my self. My name is Paul and im about a week or so away from starting my very first grow! Im using a 250w hps/mh in a small tent, growing a few lowryders/ww mix. Maybe if im lucky a true professional like you will drop buy my thread/log and give me some good advice :thumbsup:

And for the plants, im stunned.. I know that all that smoke is going toward personal use only too ;):thumbsup::rastasmoke:

[shaggytodope]

believe me me and my buds can smoke this all day.I wold be happy to visit your thread and help however I can. Seems all is GREAT! my buds are taking on a lavender purple color in 85 Deg min temps. Maybe after all the tweaking of the system all is finally perfect and this strain is showing true in all her glory. Much Different then my Grandaddy purple, these buds are turning purple from ther inside out instead of the outside in , wow its pretty, Thans to all for your commemnts, dont forget you can do this to, I am no miracle worker, I just read, and read, and read for years until I got here. You have the luxury of just copying what took me years to figure out and I will share it with everyone, peace and pot, Shaggy

[InTheTrees]

Shaggy your the man:stoned::rastasmoke::rasta::hippy:

[shaggytodope]

The verdict is in, total yield is 4612 grams and a pile of tiny unworthy to trim buds weighing 260 grams with trimmings of bubble hash material weighing 652 grams. So total bud yield was .82 grams per watt. I read that 1 gram per watt every 30 days is the goal, I dont believe thats possible. If anyone knows how to do it let me know. I got 10.29 LBS off 4 plants and I cannot expect much more I am happy!

[215helpsme]

SIMPLY LEGENDARY

i sat at my computer in pure amazement.

correction i still am in amazement!

[hatch]

AAAAAAUUUUUUHHHHH????,,,,,,,SSSSSSSSSWWWWWWWIINNNG GGGGGG!!!!!!!!

Awesome Bud's!!!!!!,,,,,,,,I Would Say 10+lbs. From 4-Plant's,,,,,Damn Good In My Book!!!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Amazing Plant's,,,,,,,,Congrat's On The Great Grow & Harvest!!!!!,,,,,,,,,& Happy Smoke'n!!!!!:D:stoned::pimp::smokin:

[shaggytodope]

Thanks for thr props people! Very appreciated. I am going to be adding to the room in the next few months 3 more buckets for 7 plants. will start the next grow in a month or less. The next strain is not yet known, I have a killer skywalker cutting that yielded one pound in a 4x8 room with three other plants in it. It out grew them and squished the others to the bottom and took over, the plant was completely abused, only one nute change the whole cyle, no ph adjustments, I let the res run dry, filled it halfway, all the way whatever my lazy ass did when I felt like it and that was only when impending doom was near. This cutting is currently growing outside and was put out the 2nd week of july and is now 9 feet high and 8 feet wide, its a monster. The hard decision is that the grandady purple cut I have is absolutely the finest, tastiest, best smelling bad ass ganga i have ever smoked and I want try her in the big room. I have one of her cuts outside to and its only 4 feet tall but wow! thats all I can say, her outdoor yield will probably determine wether she sees the big buckets or not. Oh yeah she stinks so bad i dont know if I want to risk getting sick of that smell, we will see and i will keep you all posted, Shaggy

[d4twamp]

Shaggy, I just found this thread after months of being a member of c-dot and many more lurking...
I'm Blown away,I read every page and I knew this was possible...I've had the idea to grow in huge recirculating bubblers to grow trees and have been laughed at by many local growers who say 2 zips per plant indoors is the most I'll get. I know from experience in ebb n flow I can get more that that.

Are all of the plants you grow in the 20 gal bubblers from beans or are any from clone stock. If any are clones what is the biggest clone you've grown in the big bubblers.

I know what you mean about the GDP I've grown this strain and would love to know how big their clones will get in the big system...

I'm a believer in vertical lighting now if I wasn't before. Have you grown in these 20 gal buckets w/ overhead lighting in the past and found the vert to be optimal...sorry for all the ?'s

later, and much props Shaggy

D:S5:

[shaggytodope]

Shaggy, I just found this thread after months of being a member of c-dot and many more lurking...
I'm Blown away,I read every page and I knew this was possible...I've had the idea to grow in huge recirculating bubblers to grow trees and have been laughed at by many local growers who say 2 zips per plant indoors is the most I'll get. I know from experience in ebb n flow I can get more that that.

Are all of the plants you grow in the 20 gal bubblers from beans or are any from clone stock. If any are clones what is the biggest clone you've grown in the big bubblers.

I know what you mean about the GDP I've grown this strain and would love to know how big their clones will get in the big system...

I'm a believer in vertical lighting now if I wasn't before. Have you grown in these 20 gal buckets w/ overhead lighting in the past and found the vert to be optimal...sorry for all the ?'s

later, and much props Shaggy

D:S5:
All the plants atre grown from clone, not seed. they are put in there as soon as their roots start coming out of the bottom of 4 inch rockwool cubes, then ther are placed in the net 6 inch net pots and toppoed off with expanded clay pellets too fill the pot al the way. Then the full 5600 watts is turned on and they go into as tate of shock for about a week or so. Then they take off and when they are are about 30 inches wide and 30 inches tall they get 12 hours off darkeness, oy yeah vegging takes place under 24 hour light. 3 weeks later they are 8 feet wide and about 48 inches tall, the rest is history because in my opinion theres no other way to get the yield of theses buckets. I have never tried it with ovehead lighting as I see absolutely no point, why would I, if you have ever tried veritcal lighting like this you will undesrtand why theres no point. You can get 2-3 pounds per plant with this depending on the strain, the worst I ever got was 3/4 pound off one that got horrible root rot and died before I got the sweetwater air stones and the Pythoff. No it rocks, Shaggy

[d4twamp]

Shaggy, thanx 4 the reply... DAMN 2/12 to 3 lb. clones , yeah that's the shit I'm talkin about...
I'm only workin w/ 1 1k watt hps in a 5 x 7 x 8.5 flower room... nice work keep it up.
I was thinking of trying out a big bubbler w/ overhead lighting and fimming then lsting all the shoots that pop up to somewhat replicate the vertical light by giving it a chance to penetrate into the canopy... I'm sure it won't yield as much as the vert lighting but it's worth the try. I doubled my yield on my last grow by lsting but that was soil plants from seed not doing soil indoors anymore after seeing what my hydro did in the same room.
I've been using those flexible air diffusers lately instead of air stones have you tried these..

D:S5:

[d4twamp]

Hey Shaggy,
do you keep the system recirculating all the time or does the pump run in intervals like ebb n flow, if so what feeding time schedule are you running I see your using latewoods 123... I'm using the house and garden line for hydro...another question I have is how high is the raised floor the tubs sit on...So these are basically a recirculating dwc containerized ebb n flow hybrid system so to speak...

D:S5:

[shaggytodope]

Shaggy, thanx 4 the reply... DAMN 2/12 to 3 lb. clones , yeah that's the shit I'm talkin about...
I'm only workin w/ 1 1k watt hps in a 5 x 7 x 8.5 flower room... nice work keep it up.
I was thinking of trying out a big bubbler w/ overhead lighting and fimming then lsting all the shoots that pop up to somewhat replicate the vertical light by giving it a chance to penetrate into the canopy... I'm sure it won't yield as much as the vert lighting but it's worth the try. I doubled my yield on my last grow by lsting but that was soil plants from seed not doing soil indoors anymore after seeing what my hydro did in the same room.
I've been using those flexible air diffusers lately instead of air stones have you tried these..

D:S5:
Those flexible deals suck and they will cost you more than you know, they will clog with dust from the air, I ce tried them all and if you want stones that done clog and last forever, you just dip them in ph down and then sterilize with bleac and they are new Aquatic Eco-Systems: Air Diffusers by Sweetwater® (http://www.aquaticeco.com/subcategories/1033/Air-Diffusers-by-Sweetwater)
get the model # AS3 foe $3.30 each, they are 1 inch by 2 inches and weight themselfes down, youl never look back

[shaggytodope]

Hey Shaggy,
do you keep the system recirculating all the time or does the pump run in intervals like ebb n flow, if so what feeding time schedule are you running I see your using latewoods 123... I'm using the house and garden line for hydro...another question I have is how high is the raised floor the tubs sit on...So these are basically a recirculating dwc containerized ebb n flow hybrid system so to speak...

D:S5: nonstop recirc, I dont use the latewood mix anymore, just lucas @ 800- 1400 ppm with sm90, hygrozyme, pythoff, and supernatural bud blaster at PH 5.8. The floor is about 16 inches and I never top or train, no cutting off anything, Shaggy

[d4twamp]

Thanks again for the reply shaggy... I have one of those flexible air diffusers inside a bubble cloner, would this work for the long haul or do you think I should switch it out before it becomes a problem

D:S5:

[SmokenJoe]

Nice job keep up the good work.

[d4twamp]

Shaggy, have you seen these air diffusers
D:S5:

[shaggytodope]

Hey man many peeps use those air stones but im telling you they cost me dearly, they suck, if you want a guaranteed air supply get sweetwaters

[d4twamp]

10-4 good buddy... the nutes I'm using now say's not to use an air pump in the res or grow table so I might use stones if I change nutes.

[veggii]

yo shaggy woof woof mad props for sharing your success with us :thumbsup: I have been searching the I-net high and low and canncom for a year for info on indoor grows, as i couldnt believe how little bit of weed peeps got from indoor (used to outdoor 7lbs a plant) but you are a guenius you have figured out how to get a indoor grow comparable to a outdoor grow sweet !! i am also a mmj patient and stay within the local guidelines, so thank you man! i will be shifting my grow area to resemble yours! I can't thank you enough for sharing this ;)

[d4twamp]

I hear what your saying Vegg, Staying under the state limits sucks for indoor growing imho. but going to jail w/ a docs rec. is even worse...so growing the Shaggy way is great for having less plants but plenty of meds, untill our neck of the woods adopts say Trinity or Sonoma Counties MMJ limits....Can't wait to go vert myself...I'm building a similar system to Shaggys' but w/ 10 gal. grow cells...but as of yet don't have the means to go vert...

D:S5:

[shaggytodope]

As of now im still in the philippines, hard to leave all these great people here and the GIRLS! Been here 5 months and the pot here is straight CRAP! I havent seen a real nug in 5 months now people, imagine the torment im going through. I will be back in September or October to do it all again with some new strains. Im bringing back some pure sativa seeds from plants grown on Cebu island , very ugly pot, looks like schwag but get you ripped for 6 hours, straight cerebral high, maybe i will try a little breeding project with these. See you all soon with a whole new improved room! Peace and Pot!

[shaggytodope]

Im back from my year in Southeast Asia, stay tuned for some more growing, might try something different just for giggles, Man what a crazy exciting year I just had, and still the weed sucks over there, C YA soon people!!!:thumbsup:

[robard]

Hooray... Shaggy's coming back.. Found your grow and am blown away by your grow and your kindness in sharing the knowledge... I can't wait till you do another mega-grow...

(hope you had heaps of kickass fun in the Phillipines, I used to hang around Japan and Thailand... woop woop...)

[shaggytodope]

SORRY ABOUT THE DELAY, HAD A SUDDEN URGE TO GO BACK TO CEBU CITY PHILIPPINES FOR ONR MORE MONTH, IM HERE NOW, IT WILL HAPPEN SOON!!

[KushSkunk]

i have thrips how can i get rid of these things organic and can you smoke any of the bud

[miffspliff]

This is a bad ass set up....Very nice man :thumbsup:

[shaggytodope]

i have thrips how can i get rid of these things organic and can you smoke any of the bud

WELL IF YOU ARE IN YOUR FLOWERING CYCLE LIKE I WAS WHEN I HAD THOSE BASTARDS YOUR PRETTY MUCH SHIT OUT OF LUCK. THE LARVAE HIDE INSIDE YOUR BUDS AND CANT BE KILLED. THEY ARE VERY HARD TO GET RID OF, I MEAN REALLY REALLY HARD! THEY DESTROYED THE BOTTOM HALF OF MY PLANTS, BUDS JUST STOPPED GROWING AND DIED! I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE I HAD THEM UNTIL THE LEAVES STARTING FALLING OFF MY PLANTS! I WOULD TRADE SPIDER MITES FOR THRIPS ANY DAY! I JUST KILLED EVERYTHING AND STARTED OVER, IM SORRY I HAVE NO GOOD ADVICE SIR, TAKE CARE AND GOOD LUCK!!!

[shaggytodope]

Now I am totally confused, Im in a new house, and my plants will not grow for me, same setup, same nutes, same everything! I think there is a ghost that hate cannabis in this house. Im scratching my head now big time!!!!!

[dopet4h2c0]

whats goin on shaggy woop woop man that sucks you have to have the best/coolest grows iv ever seen homie i hope everthing works out for ya just remember "we will never die alone juggalos will carry on swing our hatchets if we must eath and everyone of us" juggalo anthem MFL homie you goin to the gathering this year its still in southern IL harrdon county.....peace

[Going4green]

Looking great !!! :thumbsup:

Was wondering if you could do a walk through with your buckets. Lableing whatever thing is, i didnt see any air stones and remeber you said check out sweetwaters what are those ??

Thanks bro

[Going4green]

Did a better job at reading this time and go the info i was looking for, thanks for this thread tons of great info !!!


Keep coming back and updating have a great setup over there!!

[shaggytodope]

Sorry about the details. I sold my house and the indoor grow room does not exist at this time. I am currently doing my first outdoor grow, what a crazy deal, 47 plants, growing at an insane rate, heres a few pics. You should be able to find all the info you need including links on where to buy the sweetwater air diffusers in the previous pages. Just read it thoroughly I am quite sure I did my best to remember the details. I will check back more often to see if you have any questions. I would sure like to here about someone else getting 2+ pounds per plant using this or a similar setup, its so totally possible so believe!!!!! Maybe I will build a new indoor grow room soon to perfection but more then likely I will leave the USA for a new permanant home in Mindanao Island in the Philippines. The Muslims and kidknappers that our state department warns us about and advises that we dont go there treat me better then anything I have ever experianced in my life. Dont believe the warnings its all a lie, I been there, I walked the streets at nigh drunk as hell, Im still here only difference is I have some great new people in my life!

[dopet4h2c0]

woop woop MFL juggalo you are the king homie those plants look beastly and if you move out of country will you still grow? and post here? and are you going to the gathering of the juggalos this year? its in southern IL again

[shaggytodope]

I have no Idea who posted the pics and post for the last 18 months but it wasn t me. Time to delete my username I guess shit! The Allens no doubt!

[weeddaddy50]

Check out my grow log....I am using some side lighting....like in your posts...what do you think???

I am in 15 gal pots with excellent compost, worm castings. I did not see your posts with the bubblers until I already started my grow.

I am shooting for good weight per plant...and have vegg 4 of the plants before starting flowering for 50 days.

any help would be great.

[weeddaddy50]

you out there???

[SoHigh420]

WELL IF YOU ARE IN YOUR FLOWERING CYCLE LIKE I WAS WHEN I HAD THOSE BASTARDS YOUR PRETTY MUCH SHIT OUT OF LUCK. THE LARVAE HIDE INSIDE YOUR BUDS AND CANT BE KILLED. THEY ARE VERY HARD TO GET RID OF, I MEAN REALLY REALLY HARD! THEY DESTROYED THE BOTTOM HALF OF MY PLANTS, BUDS JUST STOPPED GROWING AND DIED! I DIDNT EVEN REALIZE I HAD THEM UNTIL THE LEAVES STARTING FALLING OFF MY PLANTS! I WOULD TRADE SPIDER MITES FOR THRIPS ANY DAY! I JUST KILLED EVERYTHING AND STARTED OVER, IM SORRY I HAVE NO GOOD ADVICE SIR, TAKE CARE AND GOOD LUCK!!!

shaggy i would love a complete tutorial from the first grow in this thread. you are my fuckin idol!!!! lol if you can contact me [email protected] an dtell me how you set up the room and everything id really appreciate it, hell id give anything to grow awesome plants like that!!! god i hope to hear from you!!!:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[420inTahoe]

I have no Idea who posted the pics and post for the last 18 months but it wasn t me. Time to delete my username I guess shit! The Allens no doubt!

Hey man if your still around at all out there contact me please

[email protected]

[Johnnyrex]

What up Shaggytodope much respect for the amazing grow inane a quick question how long did you veg your plants and also you think one can do it with 2 or 3 1000 watt light and how would you go about it also how many plants with 2 or 3 lights thanks once again for all your insight truly inspirational

[ZeroWingX]

Guess the Legend is gone.

[Shaggybuckets]

I am not gone, I just had a very bad experience, deleted all my email accounts and left the country. I sure miss my buckets, but its all in a safe place :thumbsup:

[Bluenote]

cost about 550 per month, the heat is vented straight outa the roof into the attic and then into vents in my house, heats the house quite good. before I did that though I was the only house on my block with no snow on the roof last winter, was funny to drive up and see my black roof and all others were white:D


Nice grow , beautiful results and plants. A word about the above though , since you're medical the dead giveaway factor
perhaps is a moot point , the factor of blowing hot air into the attic during the cold part of the year being a prime environment for mold in many cases however is a very serious thing and apotential health risk, Make sure to check that attic for signs of mold on a frequent basis , if it gets started only rehab of that spot will get rid of it and you do not want it spreading.

You might possibly be ok with sufficient ventilation , however I've seen this happen to quite a number of folks and you might want to keep an eye on it.

[Bluenote]

I am not gone, I just had a very bad experience, deleted all my email accounts and left the country. I sure miss my buckets, but its all in a safe place :thumbsup:



Damn I hate to hear that , hope every thing works out better for you. By the way the previous post was not an indictment of you or your methods , just a caveat for others to be aware of.

[Shaggybuckets]

After emailing Cannabis.com, after repeated request. They are not willing to help me get my account back. I have not received a single reply to my requests, surely there has to be a way to prove who I am to them. Maybe a list of email addresses and have me pick the correct one? I mean there has to be a fucking way! Seriously. They can see I asked them to remove this back in the spring of 2010. Common guys help me to get them interested in helping me get back into my account please!

[Shaggybuckets]

Seriously, Ur warning me about mold in my attic? The entire house framing was treated with sodium octoborate, or brand name Timbor. This was well thought out.


Nice grow , beautiful results and plants. A word about the above though , since you're medical the dead giveaway factor
perhaps is a moot point , the factor of blowing hot air into the attic during the cold part of the year being a prime environment for mold in many cases however is a very serious thing and apotential health risk, Make sure to check that attic for signs of mold on a frequent basis , if it gets started only rehab of that spot will get rid of it and you do not want it spreading.

You might possibly be ok with sufficient ventilation , however I've seen this happen to quite a number of folks and you might want to keep an eye on it.

[Shaggybuckets]

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[Shaggybuckets]

283071283072 Some additional images of the last grow I posted pics of, just in case the Admin is doubting who I am. Common admin! help me get access back to my account. What do I have to do, I dont remember the email I used, was probably a bogus email address. I am sure you can think of something to help me prove this is my thread!!!

[Shaggybuckets]

I am coming Home, and thanks for the ZERO replies ADMIN. What do you want, I have a shitload of pics of these crops that are not posted, Is it possible to get a fucking reply? Seriously, you could at least tell me to fuck off!

[Shovelhandle]

That's a shame, Shaggy. You have some great photos I wish you could get control of all your old material. But you're probably shit out of luck trying to get administration to help you out with this. Sucks, huh.