Police Taser UF Student at Kerry Forum

[FakeBoobsRule]

Wow, this is a bad case of police going way over the line. There are several links everywhere because the footage is so bad. There is one that looks like the professional cameras and one taken by someone holding a camera in an earthquake. The kid asks 3 questions and apparently took too long then the police take him away. Kerry even says he'll answer the questions when the cops go postal on him.

The Independent Florida Alligator: News - UF student Tasered at Kerry forum (http://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/09/18/news/campus/arrest.txt)

Cops Taser student who questioned John Kerry - On Deadline - USATODAY.com (http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/09/cops-taser-stud.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

[WeedyBoyWonder]

Oh my days, he committed no crime at all and until the police layed hands on him was calm and collected. He was merely asking questions and putting his point across.
Seeing the police like that really gets me raged, it's absolutely disgusting. Protect and serve? Yea, sure.

[RhinoGrowUK]

fuckin filth eh?!

[Purple Banana]

Oh my gosh... I can't believe, no wait, yeah I can, that John Kerry just stood up there, and simply said he'd answer his question as the guy was being pulled away and tasered by those police... At least ask the police to stop? Even give a word of protest of someone's rights being violated infront of his eyes? You'd think the guy would have more balls, but no. What a chump. I am glad he wasn't voted into office, he's just as bad as Bush, just the opposite side.

[Nation_1ne]

That is absolutely appalling, he didn't deserve that if you ask me. He was arrested f or what? Freedom of speech?

[ntcrawler]

I think he got what he deserved. Now him trying to ask a question was questionable because he kept going off in other directions when at these forums you only get a time allotted for the question. When he started to pull alway that was resisting arrest and HE KEPT ON DOING IT!!!!

I mean you really should cooperate when being arrested or face the consequences. He was even warned about the taser and instead of saying "Don't taser me, Dude!" He should of just laid on the ground.

I've been slammed on the ground by the cops before and trying to pop right back up is the last thing you do!

Now the cops going up to him in the first place is questionable but that still doesn't warrant resisting arrest.

Thank god there is multiple videos because some of the ones I've seen make it out to be much worse then it really was.

[ipodguy]

he was arrested for inciting a riot
which was essentially started by the police
that is a pretty sticky situation

[TOOL9]

I completely agree pb, kerry is a spineless pussy. This video is despicable.

[thecreator]

Um yea you don't get uppity with law enforcement. You plead your case with your attorney present. I understand liberties are taken from citizens as we some what saw here, but you don't intern try to take said liberties at that time. I think the best thing to do follow instructions to some degree while mentally taking note of any and all civil liberties encroached upon by said officer.IDK he was doing an awfully lot of moving when they told him to lye still and what not. Hey I think the kid is right that was excessive but im just saying could of been avoided to some extent.Sorry just got a nice sack and this is my first toke in a day or two so i'm kinda blown :hippy:

[ntcrawler]

I mean it was obvious that they slowly upped the force! He was able to to pull alway and go back to the stage when their were to officers on both sides of him then a third had to come. Even when he was on the ground he pulled his upper body up so I mean the cops were being pretty lenient with him but he just kept going.

[Nation_1ne]

Um yea you don't get uppity with law enforcement. You plead your case with your attorney present. I understand liberties are taken from citizens as we some what saw here, but you don't intern try to take said liberties at that time. I think the best thing to do follow instructions to some degree while mentally taking note of any and all civil liberties encroached upon by said officer.IDK he was doing an awfully lot of moving when they told him to lye still and what not. Hey I think the kid is right that was excessive but im just saying could of been avoided to some extent.Sorry just got a nice sack and this is my first toke in a day or two so i'm kinda blown :hippy:

I think I agree somewhat, the young mans actions weren't the best moves to make. However the Police were far too over the top, and didn't really have any need to grab him in the first place. Yes, he may have gone over his allotted time, but Kerry and the audience seemed quite entertained by him and happy for him to go on, wouldn't you agree? Kerry even credited the mans question as an important one. I also think the young man was genuinely scared, I think I would be also judging by the size of some of those police.

[thecreator]

Whats the name of the book he is talk about? I've tried to play it back but its muffled over the mike

[Nation_1ne]

I mean it was obvious that they slowly upped the force! He was able to to pull alway and go back to the stage when their were to officers on both sides of him then a third had to come. Even when he was on the ground he pulled his upper body up so I mean the cops were being pretty lenient with him but he just kept going.

Most likely due to being scared, and wrongfully arrested in the first place. I think plenty of people would act in the same way. What else would he have to achieve from resisting arrest? Everyone in that hall looked pretty shocked by the event and the way the police handled him. We say that these people should know better, but it's the police that should know better. They are trained to handle these situations, instead they read the situation wrong and hurt someone in the process.

[Nation_1ne]

Whats the name of the book he is talk about? I've tried to play it back but its muffled over the mike

"Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast." I think.

[thecreator]

However the Police were far too over the top, and didn't really have any need to grab him in the first place.
I agree they shouldn't of touched him, but they did and if after asking they didn't allow him to continue his question he then should of gone with them.


Yes, he may have gone over his allotted time, but Kerry and the audience seemed quite entertained by him and happy for him to go on, wouldn't you agree? Kerry even credited the mans question as an important one.
No I think he had a right to ask his question until he got blue in the face. I think when politicians come out from hiding we need to hit them with questions of relevance to the governing of our nation. I think he had a hell of a point


I also think the young man was genuinely scared, I think I would be also judging by the size of some of those police. I also think the young man was genuinely scared, I think I would be also judging by the size of some of those police.
I would of been terrified in the same situation but in no way does my fear warrant me to resist arrest. Be as mouthy as you want but not fight force with force.

[thecreator]

"Armed Madhouse by Greg Palast." I think.
Thanks thats it and I think Ill pick it up

[indicagrower]

right or wrong when a cop tells you i'm gonna taser your ass if you don't stop....you stop... and if you don't stop you get nailed....even if the arrest was wrongful the force was not

[DebuteMachine23]

Dude. This is a university, these are all college students. They have their own way of dealing with things. The police need to learn that. The law is not above its own law. Not happy.


Also, is there a follow up video? I want to hear the question answered and possibly see the after math.

[ntcrawler]

Dude. This is a university, these are all college students. They have their own way of dealing with things. The police need to learn that. The law is not above its own law. Not happy.


Also, is there a follow up video? I want to hear the question answered and possibly see the after math.

Hahaha, The cops were probably working school security any hows. Your still on American soil any way.

[Nation_1ne]

I agree they shouldn't of touched him, but they did and if after asking they didn't allow him to continue his question he then should of gone with them.

Touche


No I think he had a right to ask his question until he got blue in the face. I think when politicians come out from hiding we need to hit them with questions of relevance to the governing of our nation. I think he had a hell of a point

Ha, I was agreeing with you. I was just stating that he had gone over his allotted time so no one could come back at me with that as an argument. I agree wholeheartedly with you, he had every right to ask questions until he was blue in the face. But if this was the case, only a select few would get to ask a question. By no means is it an offence to be dragged away by the police though. It's safe to say we agree here.



I would of been terrified in the same situation but in no way does my fear warrant me to resist arrest. Be as mouthy as you want but not fight force with force.

Yet again, fair point. I feel that he was quite frightened though and the only explanation for his resist. He obviously knew he had been done wrongly hence his continuous questioning as to why he had been arrested in the first place.

As I said though, I do mostly agree with you and can see where you're coming from. I'm just saying I can sympathise with the way he reacted towards the police when they started grappling. It's not a good idea to resist, but in such a situation I don't think we would be so level headed.

[thecreator]

It's not a good idea to resist, but in such a situation I don't think we would be so level headed.[/QUOTE]

IDK I agree that we agree :D but I think he had a mindset of being kinda "Yea" ya know? Anyway that was a great discussion :thumbsup: I think I'm going to spark another bowl

[Nation_1ne]

IDK I agree that we agree :D but I think he had a mindset of being kinda "Yea" ya know? Anyway that was a great discussion :thumbsup: I think I'm going to spark another bowl

Agreed, it was good.

I sparked one up during, enjoy the bowl ;)

P.s you just knocked me up to "A Name known to all" thanks.

[Mohksha]

He should have played it cool, but that doesn't make the police conduct any less disgusting. I fucking hate most police. Some are cool, but the majority of ones I've met are complete assholes and bullies.

[Psycho4Bud]

I watched this on TV and the dude had it comin'. He was dragging on a question to a point where they finally shut off his microphone then he started to resist the cops when asked to leave.

Knowing full well that the cops have mase, stun guns....(hell, he was even WARNED that they'd stun him).....only an idiot would act up like that.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Orzy]

I watched this on TV and the dude had it comin'. He was dragging on a question to a point where they finally shut off his microphone then he started to resist the cops when asked to leave.

Knowing full well that the cops have mase, stun guns....(hell, he was even WARNED that they'd stun him).....only an idiot would act up like that.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

Kerry was fine with the question. They cut his mic because he said blow job. I'd also say he should of been calm, but.. at the same time, could I be? I'd probably be furious if some officers tried to apprehend me for no reason.

[ntcrawler]

It wasn't just blow job. The guy was droning on trying more to get his voice heard then to ask a question. Taking up more time that other people could of had to get questions answered.

[toozlah]

I'm from north Florida and have a ton of friends who go to U.F., and from what I can tell the guy appeared to be resisting, but I don't think he should have been sh-sh-shocked by the fuzz!

[nurse maryjane]

I watched this on TV and the dude had it comin'. He was dragging on a question to a point where they finally shut off his microphone then he started to resist the cops when asked to leave.

Knowing full well that the cops have mase, stun guns....(hell, he was even WARNED that they'd stun him).....only an idiot would act up like that.

Right! Not that I've had many run ins with the po-po....but I'm thinkin' that when they grab you and start to manhandle you, wrenching your arms away and raising them over your head while continuing to make a bunch of noise isn't the correct course of action. I talked to my pops about this and he said that he wasn't sure that he could have stayed calm either if he was being grabbed and manhandled, but I still say that the best course of action is to go along with what the officers are telling you to do and sue later....you know there's cameras EVERYWHERE, so just do your part to appear the victim and let the cops make themselves look bad....

But how about Kerry and his amazing talent for just standing there gawking while this dude was getting an order of whoop ass with a side of taser?

[Diary of a Madman]

First thing I think reading these posts is if that was at a George Bush rally, everyone of you saying "its no big deal, he had it coming", would be crying that Republicans are fucking Nazis and that we live in a Theocratic Neo-Conservative Police State!!!!.....so, yeah right....."he had it coming"......lol.......sure, side with the pigs for now, until its one of your buddies.

I think, he kinda got what he wanted, he'll be fine, and he made his point + got his 15 seconds of fame.

Wasnt he just protesting? They arrested him for disturbing the peace.....kinda gray area there whats what.

FUCK, FUCK, FUCK THE PO-LICE, YO FUCK'EM!

p.s. if it was me, I would have gotten my point out a little faster so it wouldnt matter about the cops.....he rambled and said blow-job for a laugh. He could have used the opportunity better IMO.

[killerweed420]

Just some cops having fun and they got a little out of hand.
They never miss a chance to rough somebody up.It makes up for there small peckers and shriveled up balls.

[AZ.HI.AZ.I.AM.]

Pretty sh*ty if you ask me!:wtf: F**kin pigs! Completely out of control!

[MrNiceGuy420]

what happened to freedom of speech, oh yeah...the patriot act

YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE)

[PaRanOiD81]

hes going to get some money ;) prolly 300K after lawyers fees and taxes

[MrNiceGuy420]

this thread can be deleted, i was to high to check if someone already posted this

[Hardcore Newbie]

I watched this on TV and the dude had it comin'. He was dragging on a question to a point where they finally shut off his microphone then he started to resist the cops when asked to leave.

Knowing full well that the cops have mase, stun guns....(hell, he was even WARNED that they'd stun him).....only an idiot would act up like that.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:Stun guns are supposed to be used as a last resort, not a quick shortcut solution. From watching that video, it's painfully obvious that they just wanted the shortcut.

I don't think it's long before people start to gang up to fight the police in these situations, honestly. Police are supposed to serve and protect. The only thing he was harming was my eardrums with his annoying voice. I don't think grabbing the guy was necessary and I totally understand his reaction.

[ntcrawler]

what happened to freedom of speech, oh yeah...the patriot act

YouTube - University of Florida student Tasered at Kerry forum (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE)

The least you could do is post a full video.

YouTube - UF Student tasered at John Kerry Speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag&mode=related&search=)

So many incomplete videos going around.

[ntcrawler]

YouTube - UF Student Tasered at John Kerry Q & A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NWukZhsiBw&NR=1)

Heres one that goes even further.

[ntcrawler]

He also asked 4 different questions with out even giving Kerry a chance to answer each.

1. How could you concede?

2. Didn't you wanna be president?

3. Why didn't you say, IMPEACH BUSH?

4. Were you a member of the skull and crossbones?

Another article also indicates that there was even more before any of the videos we've seen. A eyewitness gave a testimony in a Florida newspaper.

The cameras did not catch Meyer cutting off a student five words into a question, said Kathleen Shea, a junior who attended the forum.

' "Not only did he jump up out of turn to the microphone, he was being very condescending," she said.

That's when students started pulling out their cameras, the student organizers cut off his microphone, and campus police tried to pull him away, Shea said. '

The Swamp: Witness defends Kerry response to Taser incident (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/witness_defends_kerry_response.html)

[Hardcore Newbie]

He also asked 4 different questions with out even giving Kerry a chance to answer each.

1. How could you concede?

2. Didn't you wanna be president?

3. Why didn't you say, IMPEACH BUSH?

4. Were you a member of the skull and crossbones?

Another article also indicates that there was even more before any of the videos we've seen. A eyewitness gave a testimony in a Florida newspaper.

The cameras did not catch Meyer cutting off a student five words into a question, said Kathleen Shea, a junior who attended the forum.

' "Not only did he jump up out of turn to the microphone, he was being very condescending," she said.

That's when students started pulling out their cameras, the student organizers cut off his microphone, and campus police tried to pull him away, Shea said. '

The Swamp: Witness defends Kerry response to Taser incident (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2007/09/witness_defends_kerry_response.html)Yep, being rude warrants tasings.

[ntcrawler]

Yep, being rude warrants tasings.

Oh c'mon. Its not like they pulled out the taser in the first place! They tried pulling him out and he yanked alway back towards the stage. They tried again and HE YANKED ALWAY AGAIN!!!!

If was obvious he wasn't gonna go now so they take him on the ground to put hand cuffs on him and he doesn't stay on his stomach and put his hands around his back as he was told. Now they could of wrestled him more to get him to cooperate and possibly injure him while trying to get his hands behind his back. They could of also took a few swings with a baton to get him to be a little more submissive. Instead they used a taser and apparently it WORKED!! In the video of after they started walking him out he seemed fine and a lot more calm then he was before.

There was rules to the forum, he broke them so he was to be escorted out and he just wasn't going to have that.

[ntcrawler]

One of the best videos yet.

YouTube - UF student Tasered at Kerry forum (new, complete) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjHEBvNTzUg&NR=1)

Notice his hand on the railing. He wasn't hand cuffed when they tasered him.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Oh c'mon. Its not like they pulled out the taser in the first place! They tried pulling him out and he yanked alway back towards the stage. They tried again and HE YANKED ALWAY AGAIN!!!!

If was obvious he wasn't gonna go now so they take him on the ground to put hand cuffs on him and he doesn't stay on his stomach and put his hands around his back as he was told. Now they could of wrestled him more to get him to cooperate and possibly injure him while trying to get his hands behind his back. They could of also took a few swings with a baton to get him to be a little more submissive. Instead they used a taser and apparently it WORKED!! In the video of after they started walking him out he seemed fine and a lot more calm then he was before.

There was rules to the forum, he broke them so he was to be escorted out and he just wasn't going to have that.You don't think the way they were manhandling him, even in the beginning, was excessive, since all he did was ramble on? Was he breaking the rules? yes. Was his breaking of the rules in any way shape or form threatening to the point of being manhandled out of a room? No. I agree that he was mistaken in rambling, but I understand the actions he took.

[ntcrawler]

I'll agree that they could of been a little softer in the beginning but obviously they didn't have much of a grip on him if he was able to slip right out. Their behavior is what I would of expect from any security if I was to be escorted out.

If you wanna blame any one blame the procedures that they are taught on how to handle a situation. They did their job.

[mfqr]

Now, only take this with a grain of salt, but I heard that this whole incident was staged. To put fear into you, so you will be less likely to question authority.

My opinion is that he didn't deserve to get tased, not at all. They already had him on the ground when they tased him. So tell me, why did they need to do it? They already had him subdued enough - they did not need to tase him. I can't believe anybody would side with the police on this one.

[meatw4d]

what happened to freedom of speech
Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to interrupt or dominate any social setting that you please...

[mfqr]

Freedom of Speech doesn't give you the right to interrupt or dominate any social setting that you please...

And when somebody interrupts or "dominates any social setting," does that give a police officer the right to tase you? Clearly he was resisting arrest, but after they already subdued him, he was tased. Tell me why, with good reasoning. I don't think there is a good reason. Also, it seems like the cops allowed him to speak for awhile. Did you notice that? But once the "Skull & Bones" thing came up, they clearly started to intervene. If he was taken out because he interrupted the forum, then they would have told him right away. I think these police were mad at the dude, and tased him because of it. He did mouth off to them, and you know that cops don't take that shit. I personally think the cops did it to "teach him a lesson."

[meatw4d]

And when somebody interrupts or "dominates any social setting," does that give a police officer the right to tase you? Clearly he was resisting arrest, but after they already subdued him, he was tasted. Tell me why, with good reasoning. I don't think there is a good reason. Also, it seems like the cops allowed him to speak for awhile. Did you notice that? But once the "Skull & Bones" thing came up, they clearly started to intervene. If he was taken out because he interrupted the forum, then they would have told him right away.
He wasn't interrupting, per say. He had a right to ask questions. But once he began his breathless rant, the event coordinator sent security after him to take him outside. At first they weren't excessive at all. Did you watch the video? From the start this kid was resisting the escort out of the building. That got him arrested, which he also resisted. Then he was warned that he was going to be tasered if he didn't let them cuff him. Did he stop squirming? Nope. He wasn't ever cooperative with the police. What are they supposed to do? Baby him out the door? This isn't kindergarten or time out. This is real life. You can't wrestle your way away from a cop, or you'll get tasered.

edit: also, if you haven't seen a good video of his unreasonable rant, check this: YouTube - UF Student Tased by Univ of Florida Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbh2MlNHug)

[texas grass]

so no matter what the instance cops have the right to tase people,

how about that instance in florida that just happened same night, where a woman was handcuffed, tased to ground, then kicked down, tased more to slam head into police cruiser, then tased 7 more times. i guess that was ok too

im sorry but if a cop abuses his power on me(when im out of jail), ill go back and hunt them and their family down and ill kill them. i dont take lightly of power abuse, especially against me or family.

[ntcrawler]

so no matter what the instance cops have the right to tase people,

how about that instance in florida that just happened same night, where a woman was handcuffed, tased to ground, then kicked down, tased more to slam head into police cruiser, then tased 7 more times. i guess that was ok too

im sorry but if a cop abuses his power on me(when im out of jail), ill go back and hunt them and their family down and ill kill them. i dont take lightly of power abuse, especially against me or family.

Now your just comparing apples and oranges. Now I haven't heard about that story but if what you say is true then that is truly fucked up and hope she gets justice.

So you will hunt down their family also? Then with that logic then we the people are responsible for all of our governments worldly affairs.

You just mad because you know you have not much of an argument against the police in this case so you invite new cases into the discussion and to try to confuse us into thinking that the police at the forum did some thing wrong. Actually discuss the case properly and logically or not at all.

[HighTillIDie]

i don't need to cite any sources, i promise you, police abuse their power, and violate the rights of citizens, almost everyday. I have seen over 15 tasings, with my own eyes... seen a 13 year old tased unconsious until he messed himself and convulsed... simply for pushing the officer in the stomach...

you can ride with the violation, and say the officer was protecting himself, and the kids shouldnt of done it... but i know for a fact, of the perversion of power in the ranks... that's why i know there was absolutely no real honest reason to taze the kid, ya, they might be able to reason it, but does that make it right?

I know a female officer than can restrain a grown man by herself... ONE woman

[ntcrawler]

i don't need to cite any sources, i promise you, police abuse their power, and violate the rights of citizens, almost everyday. I have seen over 15 tasings, with my own eyes... seen a 13 year old tased unconsious until he messed himself and convulsed... simply for pushing the officer in the stomach...

you can ride with the violation, and say the officer was protecting himself, and the kids shouldnt of done it... but i know for a fact, of the perversion of power in the ranks... that's why i know there was absolutely no real honest reason to taze the kid, ya, they might be able to reason it, but does that make it right?

I know a female officer than can restrain a grown man by herself... ONE woman

But in this case the police were doing their job and did not carry it to far giving many chance to Meyer to just submit. Trying to lump all police officers as corrupt authority because of bad past experiences is no different from white people who hate black people(and lump them all together) because of bad past experiences.

I don't want to you these officers lose their jobs. If you have a problem high don't lay it out on the officers but instead the procedures they are taught.

[Hardcore Newbie]

I'll agree that they could of been a little softer in the beginning but obviously they didn't have much of a grip on him if he was able to slip right out. Their behavior is what I would of expect from any security if I was to be escorted out.

If you wanna blame any one blame the procedures that they are taught on how to handle a situation. They did their job.I agree that's a part of the problem. But to give you an over-the-top comparison, imagine that I have a job talking to homeless people. I've been taught that if a homeless person moves forward, I punch them in the face to suppress them. Would you blame the way I was taught to deal with the prostitutes when they die? After all, I'd just be doing my job. Maybe you should just blame my superiors instead.

[BathingApes]

Resisting arrest is completely fine if youre not doing anything illegal or arrest-worthy.

Its worrying to see a pattern of people saying over media/forums "If a cop tells you to do something, you do it" This is complete and utter bullshit people, if you aren't breaking any laws or would be breaking laws by not obeying police, then you are in no way obliged to do so. Sure, he was maybe annoying, but he actually said "If you let me go i'll walk out"

This is fucking ridiculous and people on THIS forum of all should see why.

Our freedoms are becoming more and more negotiable.

[BathingApes]

Resisting arrest is completely fine if youre not doing anything illegal or arrest-worthy. Oh right I forgot, this "extra information" going around, apparently he cut line and shouted a bit, tase worthy. He asked some good questions too, sure, skull and bones was a bit too far but before that, albeit rude, his questions were actually pretty intellectual..

But it's worrying to see a pattern of people saying over media/forums "If a cop tells you to do something, you do it" This is complete and utter bullshit people, if you aren't breaking any laws or would be breaking laws by not obeying police, then you are in no way in need of a good ol' tasing. He was annoying, childish and rude but 5 police offers should be enough to remove him without fucking tasing.

Pfft, blame the proceedures? "They're doing their job" If someone chooses a job where they have to follow such proceedures, bear in mind they had a choice whether or not to do the job.. It's not like "police officer" is a last resort.. If they choose to do it they agree to those proceedures which is why THEY are at fault for even being cops. Cops aren't creatures of divinity. Theyre fucking normal people who agree to sign over themselves to ridiculous establishments that arrest innocent people and CAUSE PAIN to people who are being a mild irritation.

This is fucking ridiculous and people on THIS forum should see why.

Our freedoms are becoming more and more negotiable.

(EDIT: OOPS, seemed to have posted this twice after editing, wtf?!)

[ntcrawler]

I agree that's a part of the problem. But to give you an over-the-top comparison, imagine that I have a job talking to homeless people. I've been taught that if a homeless person moves forward, I punch them in the face to suppress them. Would you blame the way I was taught to deal with the prostitutes when they die? After all, I'd just be doing my job. Maybe you should just blame my superiors instead.

HAHAHAHAHA

First off, that had to be one of the funniest responses I've received. Now you are correct in calling that and over-the-top comparison but to answer your question I truly believe that it would be the supervisors/procedure that is too blame.

[mfqr]

He wasn't interrupting, per say. He had a right to ask questions. But once he began his breathless rant, the event coordinator sent security after him to take him outside. At first they weren't excessive at all. Did you watch the video? From the start this kid was resisting the escort out of the building. That got him arrested, which he also resisted. Then he was warned that he was going to be tasered if he didn't let them cuff him. Did he stop squirming? Nope. He wasn't ever cooperative with the police. What are they supposed to do? Baby him out the door? This isn't kindergarten or time out. This is real life. You can't wrestle your way away from a cop, or you'll get tasered.

edit: also, if you haven't seen a good video of his unreasonable rant, check this: YouTube - UF Student Tased by Univ of Florida Police (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJbh2MlNHug)

You're wrong.

[ntcrawler]

Resisting arrest is completely fine if youre not doing anything illegal or arrest-worthy. Oh right I forgot, this "extra information" going around, apparently he cut line and shouted a bit, tase worthy. He asked some good questions too, sure, skull and bones was a bit too far but before that, albeit rude, his questions were actually pretty intellectual..

But it's worrying to see a pattern of people saying over media/forums "If a cop tells you to do something, you do it" This is complete and utter bullshit people, if you aren't breaking any laws or would be breaking laws by not obeying police, then you are in no way in need of a good ol' tasing. He was annoying, childish and rude but 5 police offers should be enough to remove him without fucking tasing.

Pfft, blame the proceedures? "They're doing their job" If someone chooses a job where they have to follow such proceedures, bear in mind they had a choice whether or not to do the job.. It's not like "police officer" is a last resort.. If they choose to do it they agree to those proceedures which is why THEY are at fault for even being cops. Cops aren't creatures of divinity. Theyre fucking normal people who agree to sign over themselves to ridiculous establishments that arrest innocent people and CAUSE PAIN to people who are being a mild irritation.

This is fucking ridiculous and people on THIS forum should see why.

Our freedoms are becoming more and more negotiable.

(EDIT: OOPS, seemed to have posted this twice after editing, wtf?!)

He was being escorted out under the wishes of the forum organizers. What more do you want me to say? So after he resisted being escorted out TWICE and everyone ended up on the ground now was the time for them to let go of him so he could walk out? Its kinda obvious he wasn't interested in leaving in the past two attempts of taking him outside!

Now I'm gonna give you a different scenario; They let him get up to walk out and he decides to run around the audience, pulls out a gun and starts shooting people. Now I'm not saying that scenario is likely but as a cop you have to plan for the unpredictable. If that did happen(or any event like it) their would be a media frenzy talking about how the cops were not doing their jobs and the needs for stricter security/procedure(less freedom). You would probably be arguing in this thread still against the cops!

[ntcrawler]

You're wrong.

Which part because his description seemed pretty spot on compared to news websites saying they tased a student for asking a question.

[mfqr]

Which part because his description seemed pretty spot on compared to news websites saying they tased a student for asking a question.

You are wrong too.

[ntcrawler]

You are wrong too.

Mind telling me which?

[Hardcore Newbie]

HAHAHAHAHA

First off, that had to be one of the funniest responses I've received. Now you are correct in calling that and over-the-top comparison but to answer your question I truly believe that it would be the supervisors/procedure that is too blame.

Thanks, I try. But personally, I'd blame the workers AND I'd blame the employers.



Now I'm gonna give you a different scenario; They let him get up to walk out and he decides to run around the audience, pulls out a gun and starts shooting people. Now I'm not saying that scenario is likely but as a cop you have to plan for the unpredictable. If that did happen(or any event like it) their would be a media frenzy talking about how the cops were not doing their jobs and the needs for stricter security/procedure(less freedom). You would probably be arguing in this thread still against the cops!If that's the case, then it's just safer just to tase and arrest the entire public. Anyone could be packing heat at any time...

As well, if someone got up to do jumping jacks (or something similarly out of the ordinary, and annoying people) should this person be tased for resisting arrest too? They didn't do anything remotely illegal, but they're expected to go along with the police because the police say so? That's bull.

[ntcrawler]

As well, if someone got up to do jumping jacks (or something similarly out of the ordinary, and annoying people) should this person be tased for resisting arrest too? They didn't do anything remotely illegal, but they're expected to go along with the police because the police say so? That's bull.

The police were told to escort the man out. Now if the police were told to escort the jumper of the jacks then yea he shouldn't resist getting kicked out. Meyer wasn't being arrested until he resisted being escorted off the premises. He resisted twice when escorted out, man. Not only until they had him pinned on the ground did he decide it was time for him to leave but a little too late for that.

[mfqr]

Um, why did you -rep me, ntcrawler? I said you were wrong, and that means I should get -rep? "Not very constructive?" I didn't disrespect anyone, I just said "You are wrong." There's nothing wrong with that. I feel really inclined to disrespect you, because of that. But I won't, because then there would be a legitimate reason to -rep me. Giving -rep to someone for saying "you're wrong" is wrong. I think someone who has their rep disabled shouldn't be able to give - or + rep out.

[HighTillIDie]

But in this case the police were doing their job and did not carry it to far giving many chance to Meyer to just submit. Trying to lump all police officers as corrupt authority because of bad past experiences is no different from white people who hate black people(and lump them all together) because of bad past experiences.

I don't want to you these officers lose their jobs. If you have a problem high don't lay it out on the officers but instead the procedures they are taught.

i will remember that one today as i walk into the court building to clock in ;)

[Markass]

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..

I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.

[mfqr]

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..

I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.

You're right.

[ntcrawler]

"These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence." Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.

"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

"Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer's life if necessary." Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529.

There is no such thing as 'resisting arrest' when the arrest itself isn't even justified...The taser was completely unnecessary especially considering he volunteered to walk out before they tasered him if they would just let him go..

I would've done the exact same thing that guy did..fuck the cops, they're not gonna put their hands on me because I ask a couple of questions, that's why we got our independence from britain in 1776, so that we could say anything we wanted to in our country, whether it be about the government or anything, we can say it, and cops have no right to arrest us for asking or saying anything, I don't care what it is.

He resisted being escorted out of the building. He was then arrested for disturbance of the peace. Now where is the unlawful arrest. You say he volunteered to walk out but when did he do that? Oh yea, he did that after resisting twice to being escorted out. He wasn't worried about leaving until they had him on the ground! He knew he went to far and sadly for him there was no going back.

[ntcrawler]

Um, why did you -rep me, ntcrawler? I said you were wrong, and that means I should get -rep? "Not very constructive?" I didn't disrespect anyone, I just said "You are wrong." There's nothing wrong with that. I feel really inclined to disrespect you, because of that. But I won't, because then there would be a legitimate reason to -rep me. Giving -rep to someone for saying "you're wrong" is wrong. I think someone who has their rep disabled shouldn't be able to give - or + rep out.

If you feel it to be unjust I guess you should report it. BTW, I wasn't aware that I had it locked or what ever. I'll look into that.

[texas grass]

so if me or my family are abused by state or federal officials and nothing is done about it i should sit there and do nothing?

im sorry but that would push me to way past my limits

and you are also telling me that abunch of cops cant handcuff a guy and carry him out of the forum. as i said he might have been anoying but no reason to tase.

and that other flordia woman i cited was relivent to the fact that A COP ABUSED HIS POWER AND WAS TASING A PERSON. same thing different instance

[ntcrawler]

so if me or my family are abused by state or federal officials and nothing is done about it i should sit there and do nothing?

im sorry but that would push me to way past my limits

and you are also telling me that abunch of cops cant handcuff a guy and carry him out of the forum. as i said he might have been anoying but no reason to tase.

and that other flordia woman i cited was relivent to the fact that A COP ABUSED HIS POWER AND WAS TASING A PERSON. same thing different instance

if you feel wronged, BRING IT TO COURT. You are only making it worse on your self. Now nothing wrong happened in this case, the guy brought it upon him self. He was warned that he was going to be tased if he didn't stop resisting. Did he think they were joking?

[angry nomad]

I am trying to look at this objectively as I can. Here are my thoughts:

1. Yes, that student was probably out of line according to the rules of the forum.

2. If the cops thought he was "inciting a riot" they should've asked him to leave before grabbing him.

3. Even though he was arrested wrongly, he should've not resisted arrest. That just makes you look bad. Look at videos of Mos Def or Alex Jones getting wrongly arrested.

4. No one should be tasered when they are on the ground.

5. Kerry should've ordered the police to let him go.

6. The student made some good points, but were lost in the following fiasco. He implied that Kerry conceded the election to Bush, and is not moving to impeach because they are both members of Skull and Bones, one of the most powerful elite good old boy networks in the United States.

7. If you don't want to get arrested for something you say over a microphone, do not mention Skull & Bones, the CFR, the Federal Reserve, 9/11=inside job, and do not criticize the government in any way.

[OLDE ENGLISH '800]

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