Selective Service...yeah, about that..

[Markass]

So ridiculous...it pretty much says that once the president gets enough of our troops killed in that hellhole, the draft starts and we're supposed to go get killed too...fuck that shit, viva canada..I'm an American, and I'll fight for America, but not another country full of insurgents that could give a rats ass about whether or not I wake up the next day..

[killerweed420]

You've got the right idea but don't flee the country if they bring the draft back.Just be the biggest asshole you can be and get them to boot you out of the service.Fight the system and be vocal.

[higher4hockey]

everyones entitled to their own opinion, all those of us that have served ask, is you support the troops who are willing to fight and die for your right to say that.

[Markass]

everyones entitled to their own opinion, all those of us that have served ask, is you support the troops who are willing to fight and die for your right to say that.

except for that fact that...what does them having to die in Iraq have to do with our freedom, our freedom gained from Britain in 1776?

If Iraqi insurgents came to America to tell us democracy is crap and to praise allah or whatever, I'd certainly enjoy taking arms up and defending my country.

Until then, I'm sorry, but Iraq has nothing to do with my right to say anything.:thumbsup::wtf:

[higher4hockey]

having them die in iraq has nothing to do with it, but what does have something to do with it is everyone that takes that oath swears to defend this country. if the reds show up on the shore tomorrow, who do you think is ready to defend this country to the death?


why are we argueing about this? if you dont support the troops...really what kind of a person are you? i understand not everyone likes the current situation the gov't has put us in, but come on man, dont ever quit flying flags for the service members overseas. support the troops even if you dont support the war, thats all i was trying to say. they may not be protecting us from the huns at the moment, but they're willing to should the need arise.

[THClord]

I know, it's fucking BS. And I'm 19 now. They call 19 year olds in first if there is a draft. I just fucking hope Bush doesn't mass murder another couple thousand of Americans so he can blame it on the Arabs and start another fucking war.

Bush is the worst thing that happened to the US ever imo.

The war on terror is a war that you can never win, so you can always keep on taking away freedoms from the people to fight the war.
In the end the US will be a dictatorship.



BTW I'm a dual citizen, so I can go to Europe and work anywhere in the EU. I just hope the US's claws don't reach to Europe if I evade a draft.

[killerweed420]

I support the troops that have the personal integrity to say "Bush's war is bullshit".The ones that just blindly go around killing people because thats what there commander in chief said are not using mind to rationalize these things through.You don't have to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians to get rid of a few thousands of insurgents.

[psteve]

Support the U.S. troops. I'll defend them 'till the end.
At the same time...
Fuck the U.S. government. It's not worth defending.
If I'm drafted, I'll be their biggest nightmare.
Frag 'em.

[higher4hockey]

I support the troops that have the personal integrity to say "Bush's war is bullshit".The ones that just blindly go around killing people because thats what there commander in chief said are not using mind to rationalize these things through.You don't have to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians to get rid of a few thousands of insurgents.

no offense or anything, but thats not a very accurate statement.

A. the troops that say bushes war is bullshit arent in the war. the ones that are fighting in the war arent fighting for you and me or iraqis or politics, they're fighting for each other.

B. the troops in iraq don't just go around blindly killing civilians. to kill an iraqi you have to follow the rules of engagement.
the rules of engagment (ROE) are an ever changing thing. in the battle of fallujah it was anyone who has a weapon is an enemy, engage. as to how it is now, positive id is a factor. escalation of force, when to use deadly force, all these things factor in and a decision has to be made in a matter of seconds. which leads to ...

C. the Soldiers Sailors and Marines in iraq have to use their minds to rationalize everything through. from what the hell am i doing eating an mre in the middle of the god damn desert, to i might die today. to what do i have to do today to make sure i dont get anyone killed.

D. last time i checked, the US was doing everything possible to help the iraqis, including trying to get the insurgents to stop killing innocent civilians.

[Ganja Dude]

Fuck the draft. If there is one I'm outta here faster than you can say marijuana.

If you really support the soldiers, you'd want them home. Their fighting a meaningless war and if you haven't caught onto that you're foolish. The troops themselves are great. They are willing to give themselves in order to fight for The Bush Administration (since the majority of Americans don't approve of the war and have come to the realization that the war is lost no matter what. 600,000+ Iraqi's dead and thousands of troops. I feel it was a loss because so many people have died, it's not worth it, it's just not).

Honestly, I worry about the troops because I feel like they will be there until every single one of them has died. It's sad that people sit around and try to say the troops would rather be there. 51% of military donations went to republican candidate Ron Paul who is in favor of leaving Iraq as soon as possible.

Also, you need to accept that the Bush Administration is trying to start a war with Iran. They're clearly antagonizing them as much as they can. They bring up "war with Iran" like it's a casual topic and they don't even think about our troops. We can't even accomplish half the goals in Iraq and they want to send more troops.

I hope the troops come home safe and sound as soon as possible and I'm sorry if I offended anybody at all in this post but these are my personal opinions.

[Mohksha]

I don't think Selective Service is bullshit, just the war that I would be sent to fight. I don't want to kill anybody and I most certainly don't want to be killed. I'm not sure whether I would leave if there was a draft or not. If the U.S. was invaded I would definitely join the military or at least sabotage the enemy at every opportunity. But for this shitty war, I don't give a rats ass about the people over there. If they don't pick themselves up by their own bootstraps like our country did, then fuck them. This sounds harsh but I definitely stand by it.

[audioaddict04]

if the reds show up on the shore tomorrow, who do you think is ready to defend this country to the death?



The Reds? I don't think communism is the biggest threat to America at the moment.

[Ganja Dude]

The Reds? I don't think communism is the biggest threat to America at the moment.

haha that made me laugh :hippy:

[psteve]

The 'Reds' have controlled America for seven years now.

[Markass]

The 'Reds' have controlled America for seven years now.

amen to that :thumbsup:

[Markass]

having them die in iraq has nothing to do with it, but what does have something to do with it is everyone that takes that oath swears to defend this country. if the reds show up on the shore tomorrow, who do you think is ready to defend this country to the death?


why are we argueing about this? if you dont support the troops...really what kind of a person are you? i understand not everyone likes the current situation the gov't has put us in, but come on man, dont ever quit flying flags for the service members overseas. support the troops even if you dont support the war, thats all i was trying to say. they may not be protecting us from the huns at the moment, but they're willing to should the need arise.


which brings me back to my original statement...if the 'reds' show up on shore, WTF are the 100,000 some thousand troops in IRAQ thousands upon thousands of miles away gonna do for our homeland? Tell me that

Tell me why we didn't have tons of helicopters and mass troops to help during katrina, how about that? Because they were in Iraq. Thousands of people died in new orleans because our country didn't have the resources to help them when they needed help the most.

the government's situation they've put us in?? They've fucking LIED to us, and changed their story sooo many times.. And look how much a fucking gallon of gas costs..

But oh wait, I forgot. If we're still fighting iraq, that means that our country will never ever ever ever be attacked by terrorists and we'll just stay in Iraq for all eternity and our country's going to be safe. Fuck that shit...how fucking ridiculous..just pissing them off more and more, the longer that we stay there.


And once again, the day that Iraqi's or any other form of tan persons from the desert invade the United States of America to tell us democracy is crap and we can't run our government the way it's been ran for this long, and to change our government to what they want us to, I'll take up arms to defend America. Until then, Iraq has nothing to do with protecting our country, and god bless the lives of the troops that are there due to the deception of our government. May god be with them, and especially the families of those, the widows, and the children who will never ever see their parents again. For what? Defending our country? No, for following orders..doing what they have to do.

[king of the world]

i dont think there is going to be a draft any time soon. but if the u.s. gets involved in a war against another powerful country, then there will definently be a draft. bthe question is when??

[Markass]

but the question is when??

When the Bush administration finds the proper excuse/lie to invade Iran.

[columkee]

read the constitition.......IT SAY'S IT ALL!..........and while your at it read it again then form an opinion...........I'LL NEVER SUPPORT WAR FORIEGN OR DOMESTIC........BUT I PROUDLY SUPPORT THE TROOPS WHEREVER WHENEVER...........i've been to an unjust war before..........it's my opinion this one is unjust and corrupt to say the least...........................GOD BLESS ALL.............this is only my opinion!:thumbsup:

[mfqr]

The Reds? I don't think communism is the biggest threat to America at the moment.

It was *made* into a threat by our government. It was a manufactured enemy (like the terrorists). Anybody that thinks communists are any worse than our government is brainwashed, simple as that. We are worse than most.

You need to support the troops, but I think anybody that supports this actual war is an idiot. Simply put, the war in Iraq has nothing to do with anybody's freedom. It has to do with taking over the country to spread "democracy," and to expand the US's sphere of influence. It's imperialistic, and materialistic. The imperialistic part comes into play with the concept that we just took over two countries, to expand "our" influence. The materialistic part of it comes into play when we use the country for its natural resources. The main one being oil. I've had some people say that it isn't true that we're there for the oil. How idiotic does someone have to be to not be able to see that there is a lot of oil there, and that we obviously want it? Come on now. There's nothing good for We The People in this war. The only people who benefit are the upper-most levels of the government, and the ruling elite. Anybody who can't see this is an idiot, and yes, I do mean that. People need to stop being idiots. If you agree with the war, tell me... how have you benefited from it?

[Dutch Pimp]

The last three years of the last draft era (1970-1973) was done by lottery numbers. Your birth date was assigned a #1-366. They only drafted people who had a number below #100. Everyone else #101-366 got a free pass. The good ole days.....:yeahright:

I think all the members of my old local draft board (1173) was Battan Death March survirours. They wanted me to go kill as many Asians as possible, I tried explaining to them, that's not my cup of tea, but they insisted I go. Drafted summer of '67...the summer of love.

[king of the world]

When the Bush administration finds the proper excuse/lie to invade Iran.

i dont think iran is very powerfull. im talking about a nation who is developed and has a advance military. some country that can hold their own against the U.S. .

[Markass]

Military of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Iran)

That's a lot of soldiers as far as I'm concerned..

[king of the world]

500,000 troops vs. millions of U.S. troops :wtf:

[andruejaysin]

You need not just troops but replacements when they rotate out. Iran is 3 or 4 times the size of iraq, both in area and population. We have 160,000 troops in iraq, and not enough replacements to maintain even that beyond next spring. An invasion of iran would require a bare minimum of a a half million, and another half million to replace them, not counting those in iraq, afganistan, south korea. We don't have them without a draft. It's not the invasion that's the hard part, it the what then. Just tell them you're gay.

[killerweed420]

We also have 140,000 highly paid mercenaries from Blackwater in Iraq that have been giving free reign to kill who ever they want.There is NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in Iraq.And we still will never get the job done.Just like Russia couldn't get the job done in Afghanistan and just like we got our ass kicked in Nam. You can not fight a guerrrilla war where the civilians don't want us there.

[killerweed420]

Here's an example of what I was talking about Blackwater.They signed an agreement that they can not be held legally liable for anything they do in Iraq.
Private guards face Iraq inquiry - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20819065/)

I think the UN should become involved in this and file a war crimes case against all Blackwater employees that have been in Iraq.

[andruejaysin]

We also have 140,000 highly paid mercenaries from Blackwater in Iraq that have been giving free reign to kill who ever they want.There is NO RULES OF ENGAGEMENT in Iraq.And we still will never get the job done.Just like Russia couldn't get the job done in Afghanistan and just like we got our ass kicked in Nam. You can not fight a guerrrilla war where the civilians don't want us there.The link you posted put said blackwater had about a thousand people in iraq, the 140,000 is the total number of contractors from all countries doing many things, most of them not of a mercenary nature. And it woud seem their licence to kill has been revoked.

[Torog]

Howdy Markass,

Our soldiers are fighting the terrorists in Iraq,would you rather have the front-lines moved to America ? By engaging them in Iraq and Afghanistan,we keep them over there,where their traditional bases of operation are at,as well as their State supporters and trainers,the iranians and syrians.

If we withdraw and let Iran take over,we can expect very shortly,to be blackmailed economically,by their shutting down of oil supplies to not only us,but to the West as well..and like the russians,they will use their oil revenues to acquire an even bigger military,as well as acquire nukes more quickly.

I hope that someday,you will feel more like giving back to yer country,instead of just taking from yer country.

Have a good one ...

[Psycho4Bud]

Howdy Markass,

Our soldiers are fighting the terrorists in Iraq,would you rather have the front-lines moved to America ? By engaging them in Iraq and Afghanistan,we keep them over there,where their traditional bases of operation are at,as well as their State supporters and trainers,the iranians and syrians.

If we withdraw and let Iran take over,we can expect very shortly,to be blackmailed economically,by their shutting down of oil supplies to not only us,but to the West as well..and like the russians,they will use their oil revenues to acquire an even bigger military,as well as acquire nukes more quickly.

I hope that someday,you will feel more like giving back to yer country,instead of just taking from yer country.

Have a good one ...

They either don't realize what's at stake or don't give a rats ass. We've killed over 2,500 Al-Quada since the beginning of the year there and they STILL give the cut and run cry?

The left doesn't realize that these people don't want to talk over a cup of coffee and donuts.....they want to see us ALL under an Islamic rule of law. It's preached by the Clerics and even in the preamble of the Iranian Constitution but hey......it's a hell of alot easier to run off to Canada.

Also, the radical far left just LOVES to compare Iraq to Vietnam but they never give a reason for the comparison. When someone can show me an "actual" true comparison with insurgent groups and their threat to the U.S. OR troop losses I'll believe it but they'll be hard pressed to find that info. All that comparison crap is nothing more than the far left to try to resurrect the "60"s. I got some tie dye shirts and long hair but that sure doesn't prevent me from facing reality.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Markass]

once again, you're not going to get me to believe the bullshit statement that, if we're in iraq, nothing will happen to america...They wouldn't come fight us here...oh yeah, is that what they were doing before we invaded there and pissed them off? No, they were fighting each other, like they have been for thousands of years...

Take from my country? Hey pal, I do give to my country, I pay taxes, and I'm subject to arrest in the trip to and from where I pick up my weed from, I think that's enough.

[Markass]

Howdy Markass,

I hope that someday,you will feel more like giving back to yer country,instead of just taking from yer country.

Have a good one ...


Again, I'll give back MORE to my country, which I'm interpreting that you're meaning joining the army and doing whatever president bush wants me to do...

When another country, i.e.('the terrorists') invade america to tell us that living and operating in a democracy is something we can't do, and we need to 'praise allah' or whatever, that's when I DEFEND my country. We aren't hunting Osama Bin Laden down, we're worried about Iraq, and the well being of those people who are killing us, while we're in their country telling them that the way they live and operate, they can't do. Truly hypocritical to me..It's not our fucking business, jesus...

I'm not going to fucking sit back for 20 years of my life and watch this stupid war go on, and more soldiers be killed. I've had enough. Opening the newspaper every day to see where a couple more of Oklahoma's young men or women have been killed.:mad:

Tell me what we have done in four years FOR AMERICA by being in Iraq. And don't say, we've prevented a terrorist attack, because one almost happened just a while back at a base, so that's not gonna fly. What have we done besides lose the lives of at least 3783 soldiers, and the amount of injured and mentally scarred soldiers we'll have now, the gas prices, spent trillions of dollars, all to build buildings to get destroyed again, shoot bullets in the desert..What have we done, that is worth all of that to america??:wtf:

[Psycho4Bud]

once again, you're not going to get me to believe the bullshit statement that, if we're in iraq, nothing will happen to america...They wouldn't come fight us here...oh yeah, is that what they were doing before we invaded there and pissed them off? No

Actually the answer is yes.......Saddam had his plans and the Sunni relationship to Al-Quada is a statement in itself.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

I signed an RE-4 upon my discharge from the USMC so I don't think I can be drafted. It was optional and they warned me not to do it but I knew I was done with any and all services at that point.

I always tease my friends who talk about how if they went to Iraq they'd fuck shit up and ya ya ya about how much I'd laugh to see them shit their pants if a draft were reinstated.

[Markass]

Actually the answer is yes.......Saddam had his plans and the Sunni relationship to Al-Quada is a statement in itself.

Have a good one!:s4:

So I'm going to quote you on this one: Our occupancy in the middle east WILL prevent further terrorist attacks upon the US? Oh and if that's not right, then what the fuck are we doing there still?

Saddam HAD his plans, but not anymore...I thought that was the second or third reason for the war, was to remove him from power...how long ago was that done??

[KingOfMyWorld]

I think the talk of a draft is nuts, it was voted out by congress and can only be brought back by congress, and three bills to that nature have been struck down numerous times in the past few years, as recently as november of last year Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY) has been trying to fight for the reinstatement of the draft and keeps getting shot down, as did the big General not a few months ago. I think for once our congress and senate realize that bringing back the draft would cost them their rather cushy jobs.

I don't like the current fight we've gotten ourselves into, but I don't fault the troops for that problem, and support each and everyone of them in their fight to do what they signed up for. I fear for my friends that have been deployed, but they know what they got into and a lot of them believe in what they are doing there, and a lot of them don't, they're as split as us who aren't in the service. I support my country and my troops and gladly tell people so.

And as sure as I breathe, if some jackass were to show up on shore tomorrow with an army and attack my country at home, I'd be more than happy to go to my closet and pull out the gun and step into battle for my community. But I'm not going to be told to go into some other country and do it.

[HighTillIDie]

i served for 6 years, even visted the desert... easily the biggest mistake of my life... but i continue to make the same type of mistakes in my buinsness life.


why was it a mistake... because i was supporting the biggest criminal org. in the world, and directly working as a pawn


fuck that... do you really think we need over 1million troops to defend our country?

[Psycho4Bud]

So I'm going to quote you on this one: Our occupancy in the middle east WILL prevent further terrorist attacks upon the US? Oh and if that's not right, then what the fuck are we doing there still?

Like the report stated; we killed over 2,500 Al-Quada since the beginning of the year there. THEY are the ones that want to bring it here unless you believe in the Alex Jones version of reality.

Have a good one!:s4:

[killerweed420]

One of the easiest solutions to this is put things back the way they were.Get all them mopheads to start fighting each other again and let them annihilate themselves.It would be cheap.Just buy up every ak-47 you could find on the wholesale market along with a 1000 rounds per rifle and just give them away over there.They'll be so busy killing each other they won't have time to even think about us.It would cost way less than what we are spending now and cost no american soldiers lives.

[Psycho4Bud]

Get all them mopheads

Sorry but this type of statement doesn't fly in here......just a heads up.

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[HighTillIDie]

lol the blind leading the blind

[Markass]

Like the report stated; we killed over 2,500 Al-Quada since the beginning of the year there. THEY are the ones that want to bring it here unless you believe in the Alex Jones version of reality.

Have a good one!:s4:

And since the beginning of the year I'm sure they have trained at least twice or more of that number, but maybe eventually we'll rid the world of all of these people, and we will be entirely safe, like we are now because we're in Iraq..

But until the day that we kill every last one of those people, which is never going to happen, they're going to continue to show opposition to us while we're in THEIR country.

They want to bring nothing here, they want to attack our country with airliners....It is instead better to get our soldiers killed, and ruin their families' lives forever..to make ourselves believe we're doing what's in the best interest for our country...

Isn't it bad that the 9/11 attackers learned to fly in America? Lived in America for quite some time before doing the attacks..We're letting them in every day, our country isn't fucking safe..and we'll never be safe, whether or not we're in a fucking war in iraq or not..

What the fuck would they want to come to America for? to kill every American citizen, to take over the country? Enslave us??

We should end this pointless stupid war already..

[Psycho4Bud]

And since the beginning of the year I'm sure they have trained at least twice or more of that number, but maybe eventually we'll rid the world of all of these people, and we will be entirely safe, like we are now because we're in Iraq.

Since there is no hard evidence/stats on their training who knows? The numbers could be more but they could be much less.....seems since attacks are down since the surge started I'd go with the idea that their training ability is also disrupted.



But until the day that we kill every last one of those people, which is never going to happen, they're going to continue to show opposition to us while we're in THEIR country.

"THEIR country"? Are we still talking of Al-Quada? Most of these people are NOT from Iraq. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc........these people have no country or flag.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Markass]

Since there is no hard evidence/stats on their training who knows? The numbers could be more but they could be much less.....seems since attacks are down since the surge started I'd go with the idea that their training ability is also disrupted.

Ahh, you may be onto something...Let's send tens of thousands more troops and we'll kill them all, then the war will be over and we'll be safe. Two months later we're going to invade them again because they've recruited more crazy stupid sons of bitches...This is an ongoing conflict that we should have no part of whatsoever...It's never going to be resolved until those ancient religion groups learn to get along with each other. Which hasn't happened in..umm, thousands of years, since they started hating one another..

Just tell me what justifies winning this war...I'd really like to know because I can't see any ultimate objective..maybe I'll wait for bush's sorry ass to tell us another one..or something, that is, if you can't provide me with that..

[higher4hockey]

markass.....so we should all just sit around smoking our pipes and think that because we're no longer in iraq, the terrorists will leave us alone? come on man...shitty times we live in, not everyone loves peace and flowers.

we were attacked, and we are at war. sorry you dont agree.

[Markass]

markass.....so we should all just sit around smoking our pipes and think that because we're no longer in iraq, the terrorists will leave us alone? come on man...shitty times we live in, not everyone loves peace and flowers.

we were attacked, and we are at war. sorry you dont agree.

Where's osama bin laden??

I believe we will be in no greater harm's way than right now with us occupying the middle east, not that they will 'leave us alone' How will they leave us alone when we're letting them into our country daily??

This war isn't the solution...the past four years has proven that..we're no safer today than we were the day of the 9/11 attacks. We can only hope that airport security is strengthened enough, which I would say it has..

We'll never be completely safe from any sort of terrorists..but or occupancy of iraq is not keeping them from doing something to us..they will attack whenever they feel the need...

[higher4hockey]

well markass my theory is , if you keep em on the defensive, if they're constantly worried about Marines kicking the door down, they dont have as much time to try and attack here....


who knows, maybe im wrong and this is the worst war ever....i dunno...

[geonagual]

Marines do like to kill..that is a fact..

[andruejaysin]

"THEIR country"? Are we still talking of Al-Quada? Most of these people are NOT from Iraq. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc........these people have no country.No, I think he means the people we're fighting in iraq. The vast majority of whom are iraqi.

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

well markass my theory is , if you keep em on the defensive, if they're constantly worried about Marines kicking the door down, they dont have as much time to try and attack here....


And how long do you suppose we keep Marines over there doing just that?

10, 15, 20 years? If that's your plan, always keep them on the defensive then we're gonna have a pretty weakened and thinned out military very soon, so expect to put your money where your mouth is (unless you have already served) because a draft will be on its way.

Thankfully though I don't see that happening, all we're doing now really is saving face.

Terrorism, like the war on poverty and war on drugs, is a war against a faceless enemy and one that will never truly be defeated.

[HighTillIDie]

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lol yall are so blind... do you really think this country is threatened by "terrorists"???? Do you honestly think we are over there fighting the terrorists??? i spent 13 months of my life in iraq, and i'm not bind.

I can't believe that yall don't get it

[higher4hockey]

jack~ i have served.

i dont agree with not finishing what we've started. i dont agree with turning tail and running because the liberals are scared. i dont agree with when cowards attack us, not doing anything about it. i dont agree with the mindset people have these days that if it cant be done in two weeks its not worth doing.

war sucks and people die. but when you're on top, you're going to get challenged.

[HighTillIDie]

jack~ i have served.

i dont agree with not finishing what we've started. i dont agree with turning tail and running because the liberals are scared. i dont agree with when cowards attack us, not doing anything about it. i dont agree with the mindset people have these days that if it cant be done in two weeks its not worth doing.

war sucks and people die. but when you're on top, you're going to get challenged.

just like EVERYONE i served with or knew to serve...

you still dont get it... that's why people like me and you are being used...

this isn't a real war, don't believe ANYTHING you read, or hear... when you hear a politician speak, try to understand their motives...

politicians manipulate, that is what they train for, to know how to get people on their sides...

PLEASE PEOPLE THINK FOR YOURSELVES, don't just listen to me

[Psycho4Bud]

lol yall are so blind... do you really think this country is threatened by "terrorists"????

Oh hell no........the towers just fell on their own.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

[HighTillIDie]

Oh hell no........the towers just fell on their own.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

lol you amke an excellent point, i need to clarify, so my words can't be turned around

do you really think that the terrorists that threaten this country, are middle eastern

edit, i like the way you tried to belittle me, psycho...

that was slick

[jakez]

No one ever said towers fell by themselves or even thought that, wtf? The point these normal citizens try to get across to so many narrow minded ignorant people is that the attacks were helped and/or allowed. Keep beating around the Bush people...

[medicinal]

Oh hell no........the towers just fell on their own.:rolleyes:

Have a good one!:s4:

Are we still trying to sell this war on the towers? I think that has been paid for in spades, 600,000+++ dead, that sure beats an eye for an eye. The only reason we are still there is Bush's EGO, Hey I started this and I'm gonna finish it if it kills every damn soldier we have, and BTW, if the congress lets me, I'm gonna start a war with Iran and get all 160,000 soldiers in Iraq killed within a month. Come on people wake the fuck up. End the insanity. End this insane war now!

[Psycho4Bud]

The point is that they brought the game to us.....THEY attacked us on our homeland. Now if you can state that there is NO Al-Quada in Iraq, great! Until then they got the big dawg to contend with.

Have a good one!:s4:

[DaBudhaStank]

But...there wasnt Al-Quada in iraq until WE got there. 9/11 and Iraq are completely, 100% unrelated in ever fashion. end of story.

edit- i take that back, iraq and 9/11 are related in that we used it as an excuse, and a bad one at that.

[Anubis10012007]

I heard that when the draft does occur, Canada will close their borders, and potentially shoot any American who comes over the border trying to flee the draft. Thats fucked up. No one should have to fight in a war.

[Krogith]

P4B
Q: How many 9/11 hi-jackers were ( and in some cases are Because some are still alive:wtf:) From Iraq?

Q: If Al-Quada is comming into Iraq from other countrys wouldn't that mean the USA is in the Wrong Place?

Q: How Many of the Iraq people are getting Mad Due to the Occupation?

Q: Isn't Saudi Arabia one of the USA's Best Friends?

Q: If the USA Attacks Iran Would Russia Help Them?

Q: Isn't Russia Building the Power Plant Israel wants To Bomb?

Q: How Happy is the World with you Big Dawg?

[cadmiumblimp]

I still don't understand how killing people isn't going to make other people want to kill you back...again.

[Dutch Pimp]

I heard that when the draft does occur, Canada will close their borders, and potentially shoot any American who comes over the border trying to flee the draft. Thats fucked up. No one should have to fight in a war.
You mean Canada wouldn't help a fella out?...they did once before.....:stoned:

The draft would solve all problems.

[epxroot]

Wow! The puppets continue to let their puppet masters pull the strings. I would really like to know where this huge threat of terrorism is? How many times have we been attacked by terrorists in the last 30 or 40 yrs? How do we know we killed 2500 Al-Quada do they have their Al-Quada card on them at all times? For all of you who don't understand this, but terrorism is an idea, and you can't fight a war against an idea! The towers were an excuse to go into Iraq. Most of the so called terrorists are from Saudi, but why are we not over their taking care of the motherland of terrorism? Instead we are in a country killing thousands of innocent Iraqi people and every now and again a handful of Al-Quada. This war is BS!! Either you people are completely unable to think for yourselves, or you really honestly believe that we are under some crazy terrorist threat!! Just do like any investigator would do when he is trying to solve a crime look at who benefits from this. Most of America does not support this war, and I really doubt that those people are just liberals, and democrats. This whole thing is just NUTS, and really saddens me that we have come to the point where we just blindly follow whatever we are told just like good little tax paying citizens!!!

[Krogith]

Wow! The puppets continue to let their puppet masters pull the strings. I would really like to know where this huge threat of terrorism is? How many times have we been attacked by terrorists in the last 30 or 40 yrs? How do we know we killed 2500 Al-Quada do they have their Al-Quada card on them at all times? For all of you who don't understand this, but terrorism is an idea, and you can't fight a war against an idea! The towers were an excuse to go into Iraq. Most of the so called terrorists are from Saudi, but why are we not over their taking care of the motherland of terrorism? Instead we are in a country killing thousands of innocent Iraqi people and every now and again a handful of Al-Quada. This war is BS!! Either you people are completely unable to think for yourselves, or you really honestly believe that we are under some crazy terrorist threat!! Just do like any investigator would do when he is trying to solve a crime look at who benefits from this. Most of America does not support this war, and I really doubt that those people are just liberals, and democrats. This whole thing is just NUTS, and really saddens me that we have come to the point where we just blindly follow whatever we are told just like good little tax paying citizens!!!

This is all Supost to happen. Proves That We as HUMANS Can Not Rule Our Selfs. It's going to Keep getting Darker To. Sheep Choose to Be Sheep my Friend. Who is your Sheppard is the Real Question?

Thoses who Pick up the Sword will die by it.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I heard that when the draft does occur, Canada will close their borders, and potentially shoot any American who comes over the border trying to flee the draft. Thats fucked up. No one should have to fight in a war.

Where did you hear this? I highly doubt it, Canadian's would probably welcome the dissentors to Bush's war, it sure isn't very popular over here! In 2004 Canadian support for George Bush was only 20%, I imagine it's not that much better now.
Besides, we're not nearly as enthusiastic or tolerant of gun killings here and we don't have the death penalty. As is, our border guards have only recently become armed.... my point is, looking overal at the attitude of Canadian authorities, what you describe is far beyond the norm here.

[Krogith]

Where did you hear this? I highly doubt it, Canadian's would probably welcome the dissentors to Bush's war, it sure isn't very popular over here! In 2004 Canadian support for George Bush was only 20%, I imagine it's not that much better now.
Besides, we're not nearly as enthusiastic or tolerant of gun killings here and we don't have the death penalty. As is, our border guards have only recently become armed.... my point is, looking overal at the attitude of Canadian authorities, what you describe is far beyond the norm here.

What do you think about the NAU?

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

What do you think about the NAU?

Well, considering Harper sold us out on the SPP, it may very well happen, but not imminently I think. If the liberals win the next election (not likely considering their weak leadership; and they're a shitty party anyway), they may not sign but I'm not counting on it either considering what political whores they've been. If the NDP actually does win (they're rising in popularity, but it's still a long shot), they'll definately not agree to it.

As for whether we should have one; maybe one day, but certanly not now. American and Canadian values, particularily in the administrations representing our peoples, are far too incompatible at this point. I would not want American institutional insanities mandating my country's policy; like the war on drugs (which sadly Harper has adopted), the massive imprisonment, the overzealous death penalty, the rediculously high prison sentences, funding of religious institutions, legal/social policy based on evangellicle pandering, and the philosophy of policing the world/killing hundreds of thousands of innocents then thinking everybody hates us because of our freedom.

So no, I don't want any North American Union right now. Should our policy's and values become compatible, I would actually like to establish one.

[Psycho4Bud]

P4B
Q: How many 9/11 hi-jackers were ( and in some cases are Because some are still alive:wtf:) From Iraq?

Your beliefs in this 0-11 conspiracy crap are far from mine.....I think that has been well covered and as stated before. I'm DONE debating 9-11.....got real boring after a COUPLE YEARS!


P4B
Q: If Al-Quada is comming into Iraq from other countrys wouldn't that mean the USA is in the Wrong Place?

Not really....we set up the dumbass magnet and sure enough....here they come.


P4B
Q: How Many of the Iraq people are getting Mad Due to the Occupation?

Plenty are...not so much at us as they're neighbors that are allowing people in their country to kill "fellow muslims". The Anbar Province, Kurdish areas, and others are a sign that WE are not the base of their frustration.


P4B
Q: Isn't Saudi Arabia one of the USA's Best Friends?

LOL...hell no! Here's a good example:
Saudi School in US Faces Closure (http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=102595&d=19&m=10&y=2007)

The difference is that instead of an open attack their trying to conquer from within.......



Q: If the USA Attacks Iran Would Russia Help Them?

Did they help their friend Saddam?


P4B
Q: Isn't Russia Building the Power Plant Israel wants To Bomb?


Yes...they sold thier product and after it's paid for I don't really think they'll give a rats ass what happens to it. Who funds the Chechen rebels? I'm sure they'd have a sigh of relief knowing that a dirty bomb wasn't in their future.


P4B
Q: How Happy is the World with you Big Dawg?

This "Big Dawg" thing must be in relationship with the U.S........who really gives a rats ass about world opinion except for the Kerrys? ALL these countries do their own thing to a point...just a matter whether or not they got the balls to back it up.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Markass]

We may be able to eliminate a terrorist group...we can kill them, but we cannot kill their beliefs; their beliefs have been there for thousands of years, and will be for all eternity I'm sure.

P4B, does it not make you weary to know that the individuals we're fighting in that country can freely come into ours?? Have you ever heard of a sleeper cell? During my trip to michigan, I saw TONS of airport workers who were 'foreign.' Not to be racist, but when the gentleman driving my baggage to an airplane has a turban on...that's not exactly a comfortable feeling to me.

[Psycho4Bud]

We may be able to eliminate a terrorist group...we can kill them, but we cannot kill their beliefs; their beliefs have been there for thousands of years, and will be for all eternity I'm sure.

P4B, does it not make you weary to know that the individuals we're fighting in that country can freely come into ours?? Have you ever heard of a sleeper cell?

Sure have heard of sleeper cells.....just another reason why we need things like the Patriot Act. Being able to tap into these peoples communication is vital! Thinking that if we pull out and leave the middle east is going to mean that they ask the sleeper cells to come home though is just a dream....wouldn't happen. If anything, by leaving them alone over there will just give them more of a base in order to create schemes for the cells.


During my trip to michigan, I saw TONS of airport workers who were 'foreign.' Not to be racist, but when the gentleman driving my baggage to an airplane has a turban on...that's not exactly a comfortable feeling to me.

I hear ya but that is something that we all have to get over. I was up at the Mall of America and saw quite a few of the Muslim faith in there. My first thoughts were the same as yours and I was a bit pissed off at myself because of it. NOT ALL Muslims are terrorists and to look at a person and think such a thing is just racist.

Like what the ol' man used to say...."You have assholes in all groups".

Have a good one!:s4:

[darkside]

just to get the facts straight for the people who keep using faulty information.

1. Iraq had nothing i repeat NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks.
there was no link between saddam and bin laden, in fact they are sworn enemies. nearly every hijacker was from our friends the saudis.

2.the fact that we're fighting them in iraq does not make us safer in america. actually it just makes the muslim countries inflamed with hatred for the US and gives al qaeda new recruits.

3.terrorism is not a country, it is an abstract idea. you cant fight an idea because you cant kill an idea. the more of them you kill, the more strength you give to their ideology. you have to destroy the source of their radical ideas.

4.bin laden and his cronies are free to plan their attacks while we are busy fucking around in iraq for no reason at all because we decided to quit the mission in afganistan (which was a legitimate war) and secure some iraqi oil.

[Krogith]

just to get the facts straight for the people who keep using faulty information.

1. Iraq had nothing i repeat NOTHING to do with the 9/11 attacks.
there was no link between saddam and bin laden, in fact they are sworn enemies. nearly every hijacker was from our friends the saudis.

2.the fact that we're fighting them in iraq does not make us safer in america. actually it just makes the muslim countries inflamed with hatred for the US and gives al qaeda new recruits.

3.terrorism is not a country, it is an abstract idea. you cant fight an idea because you cant kill an idea. the more of them you kill, the more strength you give to their ideology. you have to destroy the source of their radical ideas.

4.bin laden and his cronies are free to plan their attacks while we are busy fucking around in iraq for no reason at all because we decided to quit the mission in afganistan (which was a legitimate war) and secure some iraqi oil.

Afghanistan Poppy Cultivation Skyrockets - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/04/AR2007080400671.html) the US is still in Afghanistan, The Al-CIA-Duh need there Drugs. The Rich get more Drugs to Smuggle, And get a Ton of Money off just Selling Weaponds and bullets to the US. Not To mention the Oil.

[yokinazu]

not all us liberals are scared and want to turn tail and run. what we want is an end to the war. and what is wrong with that? what is wrong with wanting our soldiers to come home? nothing is wrong with that. what is wrong is anytime some one asks about an exit stratagy or bringing an end to this war we are labelled "unpatriotic". just because we want an end to the war does not mean we want to sucumb to defeat. on the contrary we want to win this. noboy wants terrorist to win. and its not that we dont want to finish what we started, again we do want to finish it and not drag it out. it seems the conservatives dont even want to discuss ending it. what is unpatriotic is keeping our soldiers in a war zone with no end in sight.

like i said we just want to hear that we have a plan to get outa there. if it be ok we lost lets come home, fine. if it is (and what i think needs to happen)we are goin throw everything including the kitchen sink at them and kick their punk ass then ,fine lets do it. but lets just do something and get our kids home

TERRORIST: a person or GROUP that uses violence or PROPAGANDA to force their ideas on another person or GROUP.

[medicinal]

The terror attacks and the war are all planned by the elites who have to keep us occupied while they steal our treasury blind. our great grandkids will be paying for these things that the Federal bankers and the elites have dreamed up. I'm not 100% convinced that 911 was an inside job, but I'm not convinced it wasn't either. It makes sense in a cynical sort of way, as the beneficiaries are definently the elites and the corporations. As long as you can get other people to die for you by hyping some patriotic bullshit, you can steal the prize. It's like a giant chess game, you always sacrifice the pawns to save the king.

[indicagrower]

Ya'll that hold dual citizenships obviosly like the U.S better than the other so i say shut up..and/or go where it is you came from...if your gonna run when/if the draft starts..i say get a head start and go now.....given the choice most soldiers don't want war but that is thier job and they do it well when it comes to that....