How angry are you?

[MaryLane]

Does anyone else here become infuriated when they read about the senseless and idiotic policies and actions of the DEA and other antidrug agencies? Specifically, the attitudes towards marijuana?

Every single fucking time I read about the police/feds busting a 19 year old kid having his life ruined because he had 4 grams of pot on him, or some guy in New Mexico who is in a wheelchair growing some pot to keep himself sane and in some measure of comfort, or a MS patient with 2 plants for personal use, et al I get absolutely furious to the point I cannot even sleep. It makes no sense. None whatsoever. Even the recreational use of marijuana is far, FAR less dangerous than drinking or smoking. Politicians talk about how bad marijuana is, but yet we see advertisements on television glorifying Absolut vodka, and implying that if you drink or buy it you will get to hang out with and possibly go home with some random hot chick or guy. Nevermind that AIDS and other STDs are still a very real concern. I mean, how can you have alcohol remain legal while spewing fire and brimstone about the evils of a plant? Not that I am against alcohol - I love it, and feel that it (as well as pot) can and should be legally allowed to be used recreationally.

The idea that someone can go to jail and be permanently branded an outcast from "normal, productive" society is a ludicrous product of a narrow-minded, asinine, backwards, selfish and uneducated world/personal viewpoint.

What really compounds this whole situation is the fact that marijuana has been proven to have several valid medical uses, and is theorized to have many, many more. It helps prevent health problems that make vaporizing it somthing that I think should be part of everyone's lives.

I'm a verified, absolute stoner/pothead. I love to get high. It helps with my sciatica, my insomnia, my anxiety and generally makes me feel better. Unlike drinking, I don't stay fucked up for 8 hours without being able to function whatsoever, then have to wake up the next morning feeling like shit and knowing that my liver just had 5 years taken off of its useful life. If I vaporize a gram or two of pot, I know that my health is great, and I'll sleep well, and I may have to work just a little bit harder the next day to focus and concentrate.

I had a 3.6GPA in college. I scored in the top twenty percent on the LSAT with one lackadaisical month of preparatory studying. I work hard and believe in going to work to work. I'm really good at what I do. I have only ever been in one wreck in my entire life, I have no traffic violations on my record, I've served in the US Marine Corps, and I'm a diehard American patriot. Yet if I get caught trying to grow 3 or 4 plants so I don't have to go to the blackmarket for pot, I can be put in jail for 60 years. I love the US, but I really, really hate what the politicians are doing to it. This is MY country, and it is OUR country. It is NOT a fucking social club that politicians and ignorant policy-makers can use as their fucking fantasy kingdom. Who the fuck are they to tell my state, where the majority of people, after 11 years, still believe that marijuana is ok, that we cannot decide for ourselves what is good and bad for our society? Look at Amsterdam. Look at their crime. Look at their drug use, both "soft" and "hard".

Sorry for the rant. I just couldn't keep it in any longer. I had to get it out. It is better to put it here than to do something stupid and get myself thrown in jail.

Peaceful civil disobedience is the answer! Things are slowly changing. I'm 28 and I believe in my lifetime, at the very least, medical marijuana will be common and accepted. Let's hope for the broad legalization of marijuana, or at least, the federal decriminalization of it.

I'm so angry right now...

[Ganj]

You probably have a garden in your basement like everyone else in California. But really, it's not legal there? You're right. It's an infuriating topic but frankly it just doesn't bother enough traders in the circuit. The law is harsh. It creates an opportunity for hope but the process of change is hardly ever short, quick, and painless. The way I see it, I'm just another demanding consumer for law and lawlessness, if that makes any sense.

[MaryLane]

No, I wish I did though. :(

Medical use is legal here, and generally cops are reasonable laid back about it. The DEA and feds are another story. They've already stated they don't recognize California laws, and don't really care, and will do their best to make an example of California.

Change is definitely slow, but I think it will happen. Look at most of the presidential candidates this year. The majority of them, at the least, support medical marijuana, and several support decriminalizing it.

I'm the same consumer at the moment, for better or worse.


You probably have a garden in your basement like everyone else in California. But really, it's not legal there? You're right. It's an infuriating topic but frankly it just doesn't bother enough traders in the circuit. The law is harsh. It creates an opportunity for hope but the process of change is hardly ever short, quick, and painless. The way I see it, I'm just another demanding consumer for law and lawlessness, if that makes any sense.

[andruejaysin]

Where I live it's more a problem of state law. Second offence is a felony, even for a roach. I did 11 months for a roach in the ashtray. No why they kicked in the door, but still crazy. Needless to say we don't have medical marijuana here, not that I have any reason I would get it anyway.

[FloydFan]

wow... what state is that? Where I live anything over 2 oz is a felony, but you can't get a felony for multiple small charges.

[MaryLane]

Goddamn! What state are you in?


Where I live it's more a problem of state law. Second offence is a felony, even for a roach. I did 11 months for a roach in the ashtray. No why they kicked in the door, but still crazy. Needless to say we don't have medical marijuana here, not that I have any reason I would get it anyway.

[andruejaysin]

Kansas. Anything over an ounce is considered intent to sell.

[Markass]

Yup, my brother was given a CDS marijuana charge, now he cannot do engineering in the air force like he was going to, let alone join the air force for that matter, and also he cannot receive financial aid for college now..

The medical marijuana issue is a whole 'nother can of worms itself..Trying to fucking tell me that people just want to get high and it's not helping them, go get fucked buddy..very very compassionate towards this subject

I watched my grandpa wither into nothing from being pumped full of drugs that were supposed to help him because he had cancer, knowing what I do about medical marijuana now, had I known then maybe my grandpa would still be alive if he was puffing a j...If it was available to those who could use it, there would be a lot less deaths from terminal illnesses..Oh wait, too much money is being made from the suffering of people, the sicker they get, the more drugs they'll need..that's what big pharm wants..

They don't need people being able to grow their own medicine, they'd lose money then..

THC is one of the few things from what I understand that has possible anti-cancer properties..when mice given extreme doses can live twice as long and shrink malignant tumors I'd say that's pretty promising...but remember, marijuana's dangerous, so sick people shouldn't smoke it..instead take this pill, and if that pill makes you sick, take this other pill because it should help too, and while you're at it go ahead and buy those one pills too..Hey, how about we burn our reward system out and do some liver damage from opiate use...fuck our government....

[HighTillIDie]

Every single fucking time I read about the police/feds busting a 19 year old kid having his life ruined because he had 4 grams of pot on him, or some guy in New Mexico who is in a wheelchair growing some pot to keep himself sane and in some measure of comfort, or a MS patient with 2 plants for personal use, et al I get absolutely furious to the point I cannot even sleep. It makes no sense. None whatsoever. Even the recreational use of marijuana is far, FAR less dangerous than drinking or smoking. Politicians talk about how bad marijuana is, but yet we see advertisements on television glorifying Absolut vodka, and implying that if you drink or buy it you will get to hang out with and possibly go home with some random hot chick or guy. Nevermind that AIDS and other STDs are still a very real concern. I mean, how can you have alcohol remain legal while spewing fire and brimstone about the evils of a plant? Not that I am against alcohol - I love it, and feel that it (as well as pot) can and should be legally allowed to be used recreationally.

The idea that someone can go to jail and be permanently branded an outcast from "normal, productive" society is a ludicrous product of a narrow-minded, asinine, backwards, selfish and uneducated world/personal viewpoint.

What really compounds this whole situation is the fact that marijuana has been proven to have several valid medical uses, and is theorized to have many, many more. It helps prevent health problems that make vaporizing it somthing that I think should be part of everyone's lives.
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I had a 3.6GPA in college. I scored in the top twenty percent on the LSAT with one lackadaisical month of preparatory studying. I work hard and believe in going to work to work. I'm really good at what I do. I have only ever been in one wreck in my entire life, I have no traffic violations on my record, I've served in the US Marine Corps, and I'm a diehard American patriot. Yet if I get caught trying to grow 3 or 4 plants so I don't have to go to the blackmarket for pot, I can be put in jail for 60 years. I love the US, but I really, really hate what the politicians are doing to it. This is MY country, and it is OUR country. It is NOT a fucking social club that politicians and ignorant policy-makers can use as their fucking fantasy kingdom. Who the fuck are they to tell my state, where the majority of people, after 11 years, still believe that marijuana is ok, that we cannot decide for ourselves what is good and bad for our society? Look at Amsterdam. Look at their crime. Look at their drug use, both "soft" and "hard".


Peaceful civil disobedience is the answer! Things are slowly changing. I'm 28 and I believe in my lifetime, at the very least, medical marijuana will be common and accepted. Let's hope for the broad legalization of marijuana, or at least, the federal decriminalization of it.

I'm so angry right now...

they will only change when their hand is forced, money speaks the loudest

[fikusroot]

While money does hold a fair amount of sway, people's attitudes are far more powerful. Since pot is the antithesis of the american ideal, it has a powerful stigma attached to it. It doesn't promote industriousness, it promotes introspection and causes people to question the purpose of the status quo. And the Mexican's seemed to like it so of course it can't be good because all they do is come over here and keep lazy americans on their toes by working so damn hard. But wait, I thought weed didn't promote industriousness? hmmmm

[MaryLane]

I could not agree more. In fact, this brings up another point. I'm really sick of being judged because I don't necessarily want the "American Dream". I'm sick of people telling me how I should live, and what I should want. I cannot stand people calling me an idiot because I don't believe that humans were meant to work 60 hours a week. I've only got one life and I'll be damned if I am going to spend 50%+ of it working my ass off so someone else can be rich. This doesn't make me lazy.

Ironically, I'm very ambitious. The difference is I would rather work 90 hours a week for myself rather than 40 hours a week for someone else. One day I'm going to open a nice restaurant or bar, or even an Amsterdamn-style coffee shop if it ever becomes possible to do so in the US.

*sigh*




While money does hold a fair amount of sway, people's attitudes are far more powerful. Since pot is the antithesis of the american ideal, it has a powerful stigma attached to it. It doesn't promote industriousness, it promotes introspection and causes people to question the purpose of the status quo. And the Mexican's seemed to like it so of course it can't be good because all they do is come over here and keep lazy americans on their toes by working so damn hard. But wait, I thought weed didn't promote industriousness? hmmmm

[weedmant]

Finally a thread that i cant vent some anger in!

"I could not agree more. In fact, this brings up another point. I'm really sick of being judged because I don't necessarily want the "American Dream". I'm sick of people telling me how I should live, and what I should want. I cannot stand people calling me an idiot because I don't believe that humans were meant to work 60 hours a week. I've only got one life and I'll be damned if I am going to spend 50%+ of it working my ass off so someone else can be rich. This doesn't make me lazy.

Ironically, I'm very ambitious. The difference is I would rather work 90 hours a week for myself rather than 40 hours a week for someone else. One day I'm going to open a nice restaurant or bar, or even an Amsterdamn-style coffee shop if it ever becomes possible to do so in the US."

100% agreeable!

[MaryLane]

Woah I spelled Amsterdam as Amsterdamn. lollerskatez

I'm kinda blazed. :D

[weedmant]

lucky im so dry right now....its crazy. it prolly been over 2 weeks.

[angry nomad]

Yes, I am pretty damn angry. That is why I am going to vote for Ron Paul for president. You should listen to his interview by NORML. He said all federal laws having to do with marijuana should be repealed, and marijuana should be regulated at the local level (that means town ordinances people, not even state), if that.

I got busted in Maine passing a roach to a minor who did not take a hit (because he was already stoned.) Before anyone jumps down my throat about it, I know it was stupid, BUT haven't you all done the same thing? And even if you haven't that's not the point.

I am an electronics technician and a veteran of the Coast Guard. I am fiercely patriotic. I believe it is absolute bullshit that I have been charged with a misdemeanor especially in a state where weed is decriminalized to the point where you can possess 2.5 oz., and it is just a civil violation.

Also, I am having a hard time finding a lawyer. These assholes just keep passing the buck. One told me that the courthouse is a 2 hour drive, and that it wouldn't be worth it, unless it was an OUI.

Lawyers are scum. He wouldn't take the case for the same reason lawyers love to do personal injury. Just as a jury is going to have more sympathy for someone in a wheelchair, the average American jury will have more sympathy for someone endangering others' lives than someone passing a j because alcohol is so much more of an accepted drug in our society yet infinitely more harmful than cannabis.

Time is ticking for my court date, and I have already tried to contact four lawyers. One never returned my calls (the only Maine lawyer on the NORML website!), and the other three said no.

It disgusts me that thousands of other intelligent, professional, hard working, patriotic Americans go through this same bullshit every year. This is why our court systems are bogged down. We have so many ridiculous laws on the books, people write humorous books about it. Of course, the books about the ridiculous laws that are enforced are not funny.

We are so regulated and controlled. We are not as free as we used to be.

If Ron Paul does not get elected, I am seriously considering moving to Canada. I love America, but I am tired of fighting with all the bullshit here. I am not saying Canada is paradise, but there has to be something good about a country if Americans make fun of them for being polite.

And Massachusetts state government sucks ass. That has nothing to do with anything, I just thought I'd throw that in there while I'm ranting. I think I need to smoke out of my homemade bong now, and calm down.

[Hempfester]

How angry am I?

I'm fucking pissed.

When me and my ex broke up, she called crime stoppers on me and got my house raided. I was charged with possession of about 5 grams of pot.

Not even 3 days later, she served me with family court papers in an attempt to take away all my visits to my children because I got busted.

She smokes pot...I smoke pot. The difference is that I have a criminal record because of it now and she don't.

All I can say is, "What a BITCH!" I havn't seen my two boys in over seven years becasuse of her using this bullshit conviction against me every time we go to family court.

OMG I'm so pissed....I kinda feel like this kid....

nVySKulKLkk

[angry nomad]

Wow, hempfester, that is so fucked up. Yup, our government loves it when regular people surveil each other so they don't have to.

[beachguy in thongs]

I don't believe that humans were meant to work 60 hours a week.

We should learn our lessons from other species in the Animal Kingdom, whose lives thrive on instinct.

The females do all the work and, after the guys get their rocks off, they can go die. It's not our fault that we overcame this "waterfall" in evolution.

[Chronisseur]

I think anger can be the most debilitating result of sadness, known to mankind.


...although I speak with my foot in my mouth as I just got a DOUBLE flyby.....FUCK!

[wickerbill]

Reading the different horror storys on this thread, all of which are tragic to varying degrees affirms my suspicions that the government not only spends millions of dollars to vilify cannabis, but also uses weed as club to beat down not only the "offender" but their life and dreams as well as their livelyhood! Make no mistake, if you use weed, and you are caught, in most states you will suffer. I have some horror storys of my own that have cost me dearly, but I don't stop and will not stop. In my opinion, which I fiercely will defend, all things that naturally manifest themselves ie: flora, fauna, water etc, were put here for mankind to use for survival, medicine, shelter,etc. To ruin someones life for inhaling cannabis smoke is the real crime! Who has the right to outlaw a plant? When perscription drugs ,pollution, global warming, illegal war,poverty,and so many man made miseries kills millions every year while they preach the decadent evils of weed and tell you to take a pill that makes you crap in your pants because your too fat or take a sleeping pill so your stress saturated mind will allow you to sleep, never mind that while you are still asleep you may get up , go to your car and go for a drive. The only ones that can stop the bullshit is us! Take back the country, make the politicians accountable, make the powers that be tell the truth about weed, do it in a professional, intelligent and forceful manner. Their are millions of us, we must somehow organize for this one thing, STOP PUTTING PEOPLE IN PRISON FOR PETTY BULLSHIT! So to answer the question "how angry are you" my answer is I'm livid!!!:mad::(:wtf:

[MaryLane]

Unfortunately I do not think he will even get the Republican nomination.

I have a friend in Canada and she absolutely loves it. I would move there but I don't think the spouse would be too thrlled about the idea. :(





If Ron Paul does not get elected, I am seriously considering moving to Canada. I love America, but I am tired of fighting with all the bullshit here. I am not saying Canada is paradise, but there has to be something good about a country if Americans make fun of them for being polite.

And Massachusetts state government sucks ass. That has nothing to do with anything, I just thought I'd throw that in there while I'm ranting. I think I need to smoke out of my homemade bong now, and calm down.

[MaryLane]

Dude that's fucked up. I'm sorry to hear this. Why don't you tell the courts that she smokes too? Or report her to crimestoppers?


How angry am I?

I'm fucking pissed.

When me and my ex broke up, she called crime stoppers on me and got my house raided. I was charged with possession of about 5 grams of pot.

Not even 3 days later, she served me with family court papers in an attempt to take away all my visits to my children because I got busted.

She smokes pot...I smoke pot. The difference is that I have a criminal record because of it now and she don't.

All I can say is, "What a BITCH!" I havn't seen my two boys in over seven years becasuse of her using this bullshit conviction against me every time we go to family court.

OMG I'm so pissed....I kinda feel like this kid....

nVySKulKLkk

[g_dogg]

Yous are so lucky gettin to carry 1-2 oz of green on you, i'm only allowed to carry a 20 bag on me which is like 1/8 of an oz, any more than that and i get done for possesion and intent to supply, probably won't even be allowed that cos its gone back upto a B class now.

I think about it this way, they relegalised alcohol after probition so its only a matter of time before they legalise weed

also every generation more and more ppl are opening their eyes and seeing the bullshit the govt. throws at us. When weed was first illegalised, virtually no1 smoked it and most ppl wer against it, as time goes on, more and more ppl will see the benefits of it and it will eventually become legal again

at least i hope that happens

I'm not a criminal, i've never been arrested in my life, but because of smoking a herb, my life could get fucked up. I havn't noticed a change in my intelligence since i started smoking it, i've actually done better in some exams stoned than i have sober

If they wanna play the game of labelling us criminals they may aswel label war veterans criminals too, cos they obv got chonged, took coke and heroin n shit b4 they went on the front line to get the balls to fight if they knew they wud loose

alcohol and tobacco are far worse but theyre legal, i've been smokin weed virtually everyday since the start of september but i'm not addicted to it, i went on holiday in july/august for 3 weeks and drank everyday there, i came back cravin for alcohol, i needed it to get through the day, now tell me which ones worse.

another thing that does my head in, salvia is legal WTF!! how is that legal when weed isn't. I did a hit of 20x salvia a few weeks ago with me mates, that fucked my head up for a few weeks afta it and i was shittin 1 of the trip

i get so angry sometimes about this, i fuckin wish sum1 would listen us, cant they see the majority of ppl want it legalised???

then i just think WTF how can you stop us smokin a plant?? Its our choice and life, how much easier it wudv been to live 200 years ago b4 they illegalised it

[Ynohtna]

I see people all the time correlating the prohibition of alcohol and cannabis. Saying surely since they lifted it off alcohol they will eventually lift it off cannabis. I can see why people think this.

However, did people that were getting drunk illegally just give up without a fight and go to jail, hoping that by being calm and nice and all that jazz would eventually get prohibition lifted?

Not really. They fought tooth and nail, creating some of the most famous outlaws in history.

Just my :twocents:

[Mr.NiceGuy11]

I'll tell you all what we need to do. We need to organize not only around legalization but around this whole corrupt system in this country. Corprate capitialism fuels every oppressive system in this country. Bring down their economy and the rest will fall.

[Innominate]

The United States of America needs a back-up plan. If this dirty, unstable floor breaks from under our feet, we need something to lift us back up.

And grow Cannabis across America.

[Bebob]

As angry as it does make me, which is absolutely furious, by getting worked up about it, we get taken less seriously. To really change anything, we have to be calm and go about it in a mature way. I don't know what that way would be, but by getting angry, we're hurting the case.

[greenlotus]

They were alot angrier withdrawing off booze during prohibition. Look at Capone, the Kennedy compound. ha

Must be something to do with the drug.

[Markass]

"How angry are you?"

I am downright FURIOUS with how this natural occurrence is treated in this country..It's time for America to simply get over it and realize marijuana needs to be treated just as alcohol and tobacco are in terms of regulated sale..

[slavetopot]

Wow, I AM PISSED OFF TOO; I just lost my job last week due to a positive on a random drug test for marijuana. I decided to fuck with them hard, I hired this high priced lawyer, and she wrote this mean nasty letter to my former company. I took a random drug test for my job on Monday January 28, 2008. On Wednesday January 30 the test came back positive for marijuana. I called my supervisor that told me that it is automatic dismissal. I asked to retake the test, and was told no. I contacted a local attorney who advised me to go to the nearest lab, a one different from the lab I had taken the first test, to be retested. I went the same day I got the news, and retook the drug test, which came back negative. I am so angry and want to take some legal action. I am not sure I even want that job any more due to the fact I feel like criminal. I am a 49 year old divorced women living with my mother. I just am wondering if I can take action against the company for putting me through this hell. If they want to fire me, than fine, but I will make you work for this. Run bitches and make sure you have crossed all of your tâ??s and your Iâ??s are dotted. I am lucky to be able to hire a lawyer, and to be honest, I donâ??t give a shit if I win or not, the thing is I am wasting their time and money to fuck with them. Oh and I am in a small southern town and my husband is MUSLIM living in Kuwait, they couldnâ??t wait to get rid of me. I worked for a Christian organization, and the compassion and the love really blows me away. They were cleaning out my office when they told me, oh yea, you no longer work here. I was given three drug tests with in a 15 month period, no one else in that place had anything close to that, my co-worker had two in 5 years, big difference. They were watching me, but good thing I have my review and it was stellar, so they canâ??t say that I had any behavioral problems or absents, since I only took one sick day in over 15 months. All they have is one positive test for marijuana, so bring it bitches. If enough of us start to make them work and run around fucking with their time and their money, maybe they will rethink this drug test shit.

[MaryLane]

Well, they can legally fire you for failing a drug test, however, if I am not mistaken, they are required by law to allow you to retake. You'd have to double check with your lawyer on this one.

If all is as you say, then you may have grounds for a lawsuit, but again, only your lawyer can really answer that for you.

I'd be pretty pissed off in your position, and I really hope everything gets resolved to your satisfaction. I think they should be required to prove that your marijuana usage is affecting your work.

[slavetopot]

Thanks, I don't want the job, I just want to stick it to them hard. Let them run around and check and re-check to make sure everything was done correctly. I do have my co-worker who was at the lab at the time of the test and she said that the lady who called my employer was talking very loud, and it is against the confidentiality's thing that you can't do that. EVERYBODY IN THAT WAITING ROOM KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO ME!!!!!!!!! So if they want to play hard ball we can do that, but it is nice to let my lawyer just do all the work, I hate those fucks :mad:

[MaryLane]

Yep, definitely let your lawyer take care of it. They'll probably be much more calm than you. :D :rasta::rasta:

[netdog]

Pot is still illegal because any elected official that tries to get it legalized in Washington is committing political suicide and he knows it.

It's all in education.

You guys have seen Reefer Madness, it was in it's day a "documentary" type presentation. And it wasn't even the tip of the iceberg. There was a huge propaganda campaign that actually convinced most people of the time that pot made you a raving phsycho, sex fiend, mass murderer and it was dangerous. They even threw in the race card and said it made blacks insane and had to be outlawed.

That's what the post WWII generation was indoctrinated with for decades. I'm old enough to have lived in the tail end of those times, but young enough to have laughed it off.

But the people who vote most consistently, who decide most elections are the folks older than me that sincerely believe pot is evil. My own parents did, they are in their 80's. They have since come around and realized it's nothing like they were told and both even though they don't like pot agree it should be legal.

Pot will only be legalized when that generation dies off and the Vietnam war era folks are the 80 year olds and in charge and voting.

Even then it will be hard to get a politician to risk his career trying to get it legalized in congress. There's simply nothing in it for him but loss of votes, no reason to try.

If a politician thought that legalizing pot would gain him more votes, he would try to get it done, or at least promise he would during a campaign.

If all pot smokers made it clear somehow that they would get out and vote for pro pot politicians, meaning money and lobbying.

[FLORIDA MON]

Everyone has every right to be pissed.

[MaryLane]

Don't forget DuPont and Hearst deliberately lying about marijuana to Congress and anyone else who would listen (which was a great number of people considering Hearst...).




Pot is still illegal because any elected official that tries to get it legalized in Washington is committing political suicide and he knows it.

It's all in education.

You guys have seen Reefer Madness, it was in it's day a "documentary" type presentation. And it wasn't even the tip of the iceberg. There was a huge propaganda campaign that actually convinced most people of the time that pot made you a raving phsycho, sex fiend, mass murderer and it was dangerous. They even threw in the race card and said it made blacks insane and had to be outlawed.

That's what the post WWII generation was indoctrinated with for decades. I'm old enough to have lived in the tail end of those times, but young enough to have laughed it off.

But the people who vote most consistently, who decide most elections are the folks older than me that sincerely believe pot is evil. My own parents did, they are in their 80's. They have since come around and realized it's nothing like they were told and both even though they don't like pot agree it should be legal.

Pot will only be legalized when that generation dies off and the Vietnam war era folks are the 80 year olds and in charge and voting.

Even then it will be hard to get a politician to risk his career trying to get it legalized in congress. There's simply nothing in it for him but loss of votes, no reason to try.

If a politician thought that legalizing pot would gain him more votes, he would try to get it done, or at least promise he would during a campaign.

If all pot smokers made it clear somehow that they would get out and vote for pro pot politicians, meaning money and lobbying.

[netdog]

Don't forget DuPont and Hearst deliberately lying about marijuana to Congress and anyone else who would listen (which was a great number of people considering Hearst...).

Exactly, those decades of propaganda are still overshadowing the politics of pot today.

Education of the masses of older folks is where it's at, get the AARP behind it type of organizing.

What got my stodgy old parents behind it was the statistics of so many people jailed over it, and the cost to the country more than anything.

Prison costs and numbers of people in overcrowded prisons might just be the ticket to get it legalized in the end. Nobody likes to pay taxes and pot prohibition costs us about 25 billion a year, when it could be bringing in 100 or so billion in taxes.

It would even give big tobacco a clean way out of cigarrettes, tobacco farmers a clean way out of tobacco farming etc. The tax infrastructure is already there, the farms are there, the plants for curing, blending rolling and packaging are there... It would be so easy and good for the country.

[rebgirl420]

How angry?

Well, I'm so mad that I constantly get the urge to go tip something over or light a dumpster on fire whenever I see those god damn Truth commercials for Pot.

Damnit, now I'm all pissed off just thinking about it...WTF DOES A DOG TALKING TO YOU OR A ALIEN STEALING YOUR GIRLFRIEND HAVE TO DO WITH POT?

[humedi]

the situation in england as it stands is that PM gordon brown (unelected, took office with his own agenda in mind) will press on with his efforts to reschedule ganj from a class C drug to a class B drug. it shouldn't be class anything.

In upgrading cannabis, he is expected to go against the expert opinion of his OWN advisors, who recommend cannabis remains class C.

Aside from the fact that the medical community contiues to be ignored, to further add salt to the wound, one of the reasons given for reclassification is tougher penalties for dealers.
well, as it stands under class C dealers get upto 14 yrs max, users get upto 2 yrs. whereas under class B dealers would still get 14 yrs, except me and you would get 5 years. THE CHANGE TARGETS THE USERS JUST AS MUCH AS DEALERS

Also, G.Brown says the reason for this is to send the message to youth that cannabis is dangerous and harmful 'just like alcohol' - despite this bein bollocks WHAT POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION CAN THEY HAVE FOR ALLOWING ALCOHOL BUT NOT WEED

I am so detached and disilusioned with this government at the moment it truly is crap if Brown gets his way

[MaryLane]

No fucking shite right?




Damnit, now I'm all pissed off just thinking about it...WTF DOES A DOG TALKING TO YOU OR A ALIEN STEALING YOUR GIRLFRIEND HAVE TO DO WITH POT?

[MaryLane]

Canada is going through the same issues at the moment. I remember when I lived in London how laid back everyone was about that. I hope Brown and his idiotic policies (I follow UK politics a little) don't continue forward.




the situation in england as it stands is that PM gordon brown (unelected, took office with his own agenda in mind) will press on with his efforts to reschedule ganj from a class C drug to a class B drug. it shouldn't be class anything.

In upgrading cannabis, he is expected to go against the expert opinion of his OWN advisors, who recommend cannabis remains class C.

Aside from the fact that the medical community contiues to be ignored, to further add salt to the wound, one of the reasons given for reclassification is tougher penalties for dealers.
well, as it stands under class C dealers get upto 14 yrs max, users get upto 2 yrs. whereas under class B dealers would still get 14 yrs, except me and you would get 5 years. THE CHANGE TARGETS THE USERS JUST AS MUCH AS DEALERS

Also, G.Brown says the reason for this is to send the message to youth that cannabis is dangerous and harmful 'just like alcohol' - despite this bein bollocks WHAT POSSIBLE JUSTIFICATION CAN THEY HAVE FOR ALLOWING ALCOHOL BUT NOT WEED

I am so detached and disilusioned with this government at the moment it truly is crap if Brown gets his way

[rebgirl420]

No fucking shite right?

Haha. You ever see the one where the kid builds a FUCKING cacoon of weed and then pops out all fat, bald, and living at home.

How stupid.

[MaryLane]

Yeah, my spouse and I laughed pretty hard. We were stoned, and we looked at each other and laughed more. Why? Because she's in law school, smart as a whip and I've got my fair share of degrees as well. We're not fat and we sure as hell didn't pop out of a cocoon.

Have you noticed that ever since awareness of the benefits of MJ has started to rise and as the medical community has started supporting it, the government has stopped touting the health problems it supposedly causes? I remember they used to talk about brain damage or some stupid shit, and now they just try to propagate stereotypes. Instead of saying "hey kids, it's bad for your health, don't do it" like they used to now they are saying "hey kids, you won't be cool, don't do it"... Well, they've always tried to make it look uncool, but they haven't pushed the stereotype before.

Morons. Unfortunately they deceive the vast majority of US citizens. I blame the lack of focus on education in the US for that.

I'm rambling now, sorry. :jointsmile:


Haha. You ever see the one where the kid builds a FUCKING cacoon of weed and then pops out all fat, bald, and living at home.

How stupid.

[rebgirl420]

I agree it's the public schooling that's the problem. The government makes the standards and controls what students learn about "drugs".

These kids don't have a fucking chance. And it's maddening to me. But luckily there has always been people in the world that question authority and the common practices that are involved with it.

People like you and me and every other member of sites like this one. There's hope yet.

[Twentyinches]

Haha. You ever see the one where the kid builds a FUCKING cacoon of weed and then pops out all fat, bald, and living at home.

How stupid.

Haha yes I have seen this! and here's what's fucked up even more, just like last week they passed the one where the kid lights his car on fire, then literally RIGHT after that one they passed one on how alcohol kills more ppl in this state then any other "drug" combined.

Now...I'm assuming they are throwing our MJ in their "drug" category, which if that's the case why do they want to increase penalties here for example, and why is alcohol still fucking legal when it KILLS??!!

every time I see that cacoon one I'm like damn that's a LOT of bud I want some of that! :jointsmile:

[Priincesss]

Im pritty sure I was reading an article or someones post on a form although I dont remember which one, but he made a good point:

-The government wants pot to be illegal because it's hard for them to make money off of it. Some people think that marijuana is illegal because it is 'bad' for you, if that was the case then ciggarettes and alcohol who be banned to, but they aren't because the government can make money from them.

- Its relitivly easy to grow and distribute marijuana on your own, tax free. The government would have no way to know your information or keep track of distributers and manufactors to force taxation. Thus.. they made it illegal

I don't know about you, but it sounds like a pritty good reason to me. There's probibly many more 'reasons' but this one sure made a lot of sence to me.

[painretreat]

Makes cents to me!:hippy:

[GreenDestiny]

I get extremely angry sometimes, but I have to keep repeating to myself, "they're just unevolved psychopathic animals"

Did our ancestors gain independence from Britain through peaceful negotiations?
Nope. They killed for it, and they wanted their children to do just the same if peace fails to work. Fighting is the last thing I'd ever want to do, but I accept the possibility that one day we may have to take real action to preserve our way of life. It worries me greatly, but I like to think of happy thoughts.

To criminalize an ancient healing herb and persecute its users so harshly is clear evidence of some kind of mental disorder; a disease.

Those that destroy our personal freedoms are no different than sociopaths and psychopaths... they all suffer from some form of psychological disorder. To think any less of them would be a crime on our part. Even big corporations fit the general psychological profile of having antisocial personality disorder... freaky shit.

Make no mistake; we are being repressed by a mass majority of mentally disturbed groups of people. All the education in the world won't convince them that they are the crazy ones. They will continue to propagate their lies, infecting the young minds of our society within the education system that they require us by law to submit to.

We need more people to infiltrate the system of government to help us gain back our freedoms. It's a very long process and not guaranteed to work; the only other option is revolution.

How long can we hold our ground and play the Peace card? Nearly a 1/4 of the states have made some success, but the heart of the beast still beats strong. I'm not gonna wait for laws to change, I'm gonna do whatever feels right for myself and fly under the radar to avoid any trouble.

My stance for peace remains until my front door comes crashing down.

[theforthdrive]

How angry am I?

All I can say is, "What a BITCH!" I havn't seen my two boys in over seven years becasuse of her using this bullshit conviction against me every time we go to family court.



all i can say is things like this make me want to crawl under the nearest rock and never come out. Like somehow you not seeing your kids cause you smoke is really going to help kids! Boys need a father!

[MaryLane]

Good post. Do you have any further information regarding the psychological issues? I'd like to read more about it.

:thumbsup:


I get extremely angry sometimes, but I have to keep repeating to myself, "they're just unevolved psychopathic animals"

Did our ancestors gain independence from Britain through peaceful negotiations?
Nope. They killed for it, and they wanted their children to do just the same if peace fails to work. Fighting is the last thing I'd ever want to do, but I accept the possibility that one day we may have to take real action to preserve our way of life. It worries me greatly, but I like to think of happy thoughts.

To criminalize an ancient healing herb and persecute its users so harshly is clear evidence of some kind of mental disorder; a disease.

Those that destroy our personal freedoms are no different than sociopaths and psychopaths... they all suffer from some form of psychological disorder. To think any less of them would be a crime on our part. Even big corporations fit the general psychological profile of having antisocial personality disorder... freaky shit.

Make no mistake; we are being repressed by a mass majority of mentally disturbed groups of people. All the education in the world won't convince them that they are the crazy ones. They will continue to propagate their lies, infecting the young minds of our society within the education system that they require us by law to submit to.

We need more people to infiltrate the system of government to help us gain back our freedoms. It's a very long process and not guaranteed to work; the only other option is revolution.

How long can we hold our ground and play the Peace card? Nearly a 1/4 of the states have made some success, but the heart of the beast still beats strong. I'm not gonna wait for laws to change, I'm gonna do whatever feels right for myself and fly under the radar to avoid any trouble.

My stance for peace remains until my front door comes crashing down.

[tomm01]

Sorry

[tomm01]

THC is one of the few things from what I understand that has possible anti-cancer properties..when mice given extreme doses can live twice as long and shrink malignant tumors I'd say that's pretty promising...but remember, marijuana's dangerous, so sick people shouldn't smoke it..instead take this pill, and if that pill makes you sick, take this other pill because it should help too, and while you're at it go ahead and buy those one pills too..Hey, how about we burn our reward system out and do some liver damage from opiate use...fuck our government....
I know this is a serious comment but ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!
It's just so true! It's funny to know how stupid authorities are.

When my Grandma was dying I seriously considered giving her some weed but I know she wouldn't go for it and probably be dissapointed in me and I didn't want that to be her last thought. Also the weed around here is almost always shite (laced). She spent her last week or two stoned as all hell on opiates, unable to hold a conversation, falling asleep etc.

Nah, it's great though, she was sleeping 90% of the time so she died quietly and let us get on with our lives. (Extremest sarcasm to ever hit the streets). Never mind the fact that her liver was probably 99% Morphine and thus ended her life abruptly.

Priincesss -

I don't think that's really the reason it's ilegal. I mean there's no reason they couldn't tax it. I just don't understand what people mean when they say that. They tax tobacco, how could they not tax weed?

Oh yeah, and I think insane uproar is the way to go for legalisation. They haven't listened thus far, why would they start now?
Just play the alcohol prohibition in your head and put weed in there instead. (rhymes :jointsmile:)
Think about it though, think about all of the major ganja forums, right there is millions of people who want it legal. All we'd need to do is gather everybody up, go into our relevant states/countries. Figure out a date to reign hell.

[shadow218]

im saying we have a marijuana march this year, Washington dc on 4/20 imagine how much of an impact we could have if we get the word out? and think, if obama wins the election there could be an actual chance of getting some chance, CANNABIS USER UNITE AND CONQUER BABY

[tomm01]

This is what makes me angry
Medical Marijuana in Australia - Spring 1995 (http://www.druglibrary.org/olsen/MEDICAL/ACT/australi.html)


Last November, politicians in the Australian Capital Territory voted to allow doctors to determine when marijuana is medically appropriate. The decision enraged the Australian Federal Police and intensive lobbying efforts began to reverse the legislative action. In a scene that has become all too familiar, legislators caved-in to the demands of the police, reversed their earlier action, and voted to block doctors from legally prescribing marijuana.

How can the police override a fucking medical decision?
Would they even try to stop certain annoying aspects of peoples religions? Fuck no.

[flyingimam]

i have 1 word to say

Judicial-Law enforcement industrial complex.

MANY people and companies make money for more prisoners

Prison-industrial complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison-industrial_complex)

its about money
and jobs
and subliminal propaganda that the federal government [of all elected parties/administrations] so far has pursued since 1900s

i mean they gave up the war in vietnam with a complete loss after so many years, this has been getting close to a 100 years now

i think we all should put out youtube videos making our points and counter the crap authorities give us logically, youtube is on the spotlight, this forum is not!

i would personally just flick the bird and move the f to netherlands, but they have immigration process that is just way too tough

maybe spain or portugal

i really dont understand how one can be a patriot about these laws and corrupt officials and injustices. its such a shame supporting them, and politicans just use u for their personal purposes, except very few of them

[greengoddess420]

/|\ agreed :thumbsup:

[SouthernGuerilla]

i have 1 word to say

Judicial-Law enforcement industrial complex.

MANY people and companies make money for more prisoners

Prison-industrial complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison-industrial_complex)

its about money
and jobs
and subliminal propaganda that the federal government [of all elected parties/administrations] so far has pursued since 1900s

i mean they gave up the war in vietnam with a complete loss after so many years, this has been getting close to a 100 years now

i think we all should put out youtube videos making our points and counter the crap authorities give us logically, youtube is on the spotlight, this forum is not!

i would personally just flick the bird and move the f to netherlands, but they have immigration process that is just way too tough

maybe spain or portugal

i really dont understand how one can be a patriot about these laws and corrupt officials and injustices. its such a shame supporting them, and politicans just use u for their personal purposes, except very few of them

I'm not sober enough to argue the patriot point of view. But the first patriots were rebels, anti-authority and so on.

No taxation without representation. We're being falsely represented.
Corruption is evident.