I never realized growing was so complicated

[privatepile]

I have to hand it to you people.Growing is a lot harder than i taugt.

But it mastered on this site.

I would love to grow a small amount form myself but i dont know where to begin.

I always taught i could just get a few seeds put them in a pot and leave nature take its course.

What is the best way to start.

I dont mind what plant it is.What equipment would i need?

I have read a lot of the posts but they seem to be geared towards people with some experience.

I live in Ireland so it would have to be grown indoors.

Thanks in advance

[ismokealldaylong420]

you need to read everything you can get your hands on i read for a good 6 months before planning on growing indoors

[privatepile]

Thanks for the help.Just started researching

[growwatcher]

6 months of reading? Seriously?

You can get started fairly simply & cheaply with just a few of seeds, some pots & soil, some fertilizer, a fan & some lights. CFLs are cheap enough, and will certainly do for a first grow. Learn as you grow :thumbsup:

Yes, there are some things to consider. Is it safe for you to grow these plants? Is the odor going to be a problem, and if so, can you afford to get a carbon filter & exhaust fan (or some other odor control)?

I think that a lot of the information that you find on these boards, and elsewhere, is geared toward maximizing the grow. But honestly, cannabis is just a plant. If you can keep any other houseplants in good condition then growing cannabis isn't any different. The specificity of nutrient amounts and additives and all the tips and tricks add to your final yield and potency, but it isn't rocket science. Take good care of the plant and you'll do fine.

Just my :twocents:

Grow

[Opie Yutts]

You do need to plan, but for 6 days, not 6 months in my humble opinion. Especially if you are just starting out. I see you just want enough for yourself, but plan for a few friends occassionally. Plus, you always seem to be running out. So here's what I would do if I wanted to avoid complication while maximizing the potential of the situation.

If you can get a clone that is by far the way to go. You could eliminate several steps this way, but you said from seed so here goes.

1) Get some good potting soil (not with ferts in it), some gallon size or less pots, 2 fluorescent lights that are supposed to have a 200 watt output but only take up 40 real watts (100 watters will be fine for the beginning, and a PH meter (about $25) and a small bottle each of PH up and down (until you know), and a cheap timer.
2) Keep the potting soil warm and moist. Flood it once with water only, that is adjusted to PH 6.8 or so. 2 or 3 tenths here or there won't matter, but don't get carried away.
3) Put a little hole in the middle of the pot, about 1/2" deep, drop the seed in and cover it up, packing it very gently. You may not have to water much or at all for a few weeks, depending. Keep the soil warm and moist.
4) When the seedling emerges (a few days to a few weeks), keep the light and the fertilizers away from it. Keep the light back for a couple days, and move it closer and closer each day until it is a few inches from the plant, which by that point should be big enough to experiment wich the closest possible distance. Lights on 18 hours. Keep the ferts out for at least to weeks, then 1/4 strength for a couple weeks, then 1/2, then full.
5) After a few weeks stop keeping the soil moist and let it dry almost completly out. Watch your plant carefully though. Then water with 1/4 strength hydroponic nutrients, even though you are using dirt. You will need 2 kinds of nutrients, veg now and bloom for later.
6) We are looking for females only, so after 6 or 7 weeks go to flower mode. Lights on 12 hours, flower nutrients.
7) Search this forum for any questions along the way, including how to tell the differnce between male and female. When you see a male immeadiatly kill it, or get it away from the others if you plan on wanting seeds at some point.
8) Keep lights as close as possible through the duration of the grow.
9) Search how to harvest and enjoy.
10) Keep one or two plants after harvest for revegging so you can keep a mother plant for clones (much more bettererish). Learn this. Live it.
12) Switch to hydro the amazing yet simple way... An Emily's Garden - type settup. Search this, its DWC type hydro which truely is amzing and simple. You will be astounded at the results compared to what you will be used to in soil.

And of course read and read and search and read.

[Opie Yutts]

and a fan to gently move air and strengthen the branches.

[privatepile]

Thanks all.The reason i was going to start with a seed is because i cant get my hands on a clonI dont even know that that is to be honest..

I was hoping to plant some seeds in a closet painted white.add the florescent light a fan and the correct soil along with water(ph balanced)

But again everyone thanks for the help.As its my 1st grow i wouldn't be to worried about maximizing the amounts yielded.

[privatepile]

I want to grow 2 white widow plants,Inside a cupboard.

I am not to sure of what i need but i have an idea.I will add what i will be getting and more experienced users can advise me.

6ftCupboard which is 2ft by 2ft.

I will then paint the inside of this white to help reflect the light.

For the light source i was thinking of using 250watt HPS bulb.

To water the plants i would use rain water at the correct PH level.

As its a tight space i was thinking of using a bathroom fan to suck in clean air(Does this air have to be from outside the house)

For the soil and plant food i would buy from my local gardening center.

Should this be enough i understand white widow is not to difficult to grow

[Opie Yutts]

I want to grow 2 white widow plants,Inside a cupboard. White widow is excellent smoke, good choice

I am not to sure of what i need but i have an idea.I will add what i will be getting and more experienced users can advise me.

6ftCupboard which is 2ft by 2ft. About the right size for 2 plants.

I will then paint the inside of this white to help reflect the light. Good. Flat white paint or mylar.

For the light source i was thinking of using 250watt HPS bulb. Everythig was going fine until here. Of course you can use HPS, and it is the prefered light source, but it complicates matters quite a bit. You mentioned fluorescents before, and perhaps you should stick with it, unless you are prepared to spend some serious money on ventilation, and some time installing it. With HID you will need to suck cool air into the cabinet, blow it directly over your light, and have a big fan to suck all that heat to the outdoors. Better yet (and you may have no choice in the matter) is to have a cool tube, where an enclosed light has a dedicated ventilation source, in addition to the cabinet ventilation. In the small space you mention, it will quickly heat up to unacceptable levels. If you use fluorescent you can get by with one oscilating fan and that's it. A whole different (and smaller) can of worms.

To water the plants i would use rain water at the correct PH level. Fine, good. Don't forget to feed your plants, preferably with each watering, and adjust the mixture to 6.8 PH. PH meters are about $25 on the low end.

As its a tight space i was thinking of using a bathroom fan to suck in clean air(Does this air have to be from outside the house) You would only have to do this if you use HID lighting, and it would not have to be from outdoors, just someplace cool, probably close to the floor (since heat rises). With fluoros, you could put a small fan in the back, and crack the cabinet door a little. I am using fluors for some mothers in a closet and have NO fans. I just leave the door open about 3 inches, and they are doing great.

For the soil and plant food i would buy from my local gardening center. Doesn't matter where you get it, just don't get the kind that have fertilizer added. You can't control feeding with that kind. Don't forget: no ferts the first 2 weeks after sprouting, and then only 1/4 strength to start.

Should this be enough i understand white widow is not to difficult to grow It's enough for a starting point. We've scratched the surface. We have not considered lots of stuff, such as odor control, if that's important. This changes ventilation plans considerably. The best thing you can do at the beginning is read the FAQs and any other grow guides you can get your hands on. Especially do this if have a question on basic stuff. The forum search engine is real handy too. Just type the subject of your question, and you often have a bunch of answers. Overall we're glad to help, but people are not going to want to answer the same beginner questions that have been asked hundreds of times, when the answer can very easily be found by 5 minutes of searching.

[Opie Yutts]

Thanks all.The reason i was going to start with a seed is because i cant get my hands on a clonI dont even know that that is to be honest..

Honesty, how refreshing. A clone is a branch or top that has been cut off a plant that is known to be female. The clones are then rooted via various techniques, and planted or put in hydro. With seeds, you don't know if you have males or not, and you don't want any males unless you are planning on wanting seeds in the future. Females make the smoking bud, not males. Not only is cloning faster, but it eliminates the need to cull out the males. Plus if you have one plant that seems to be better than the rest for one or more reasons, you can clone from that plant only, increasing the quality of your garden.

[johngrander123]

there are 400 watt hps systems on ebay for 150. I thought it was pretty good. anyone else think its good, bad?

[privatepile]

Thanks for the help.For the last 2 days i have researched as much as i could.I have changed my light source and i am going to stick with this.

Trade Hydro - Envirolite Two Lamp 200W Reflector Kit (http://www.tradehydro.com/products/envirolite-two-lamp-200w-reflector-kit.html)

I will use 2x200watt veg bulbs for veg and 2x200watt flower bulbs for flower.I will also add CFLs or Flouro for the sides of the plant.

The main reason is because off all the ventilation and cooling that is associated with HPS.

I am also interested in getting feminised white widow seeds.There seems to be 2 schools of taught on this.

(1) Its great because you dont have to weed out them males and it saves time.Some people swear by it
(2)Using feminised seeds causes Hermaphrodite plants and people should not use them.

Agagin thanks for all the help

[ProGroWannabe]

I think it depends on how much of a hurry your in. Personally, I think they're way overpriced. I'd never forgive myself, if one hermie went unnoticed and pollinated my garden. I'm usually VERY attentive, so this prolly wouldn't happen, then again--once its full, my garden will have 40 plants in it. It's just a chance I'm not gonna take.

I'll take my regular "cheap" seeds any day. You only have wait once....then you can clone from there.

[BeforeYourTime]

Be careful of the dimensions of lights you buy. Your area is 2ft and the reflector you linked is 1m. You may be better with 2 single ones beside each other.
My thoughts on the feminized seeds. Only use them if you are sure you will not stress them as they can turn hermie on you. Provided you have a good enviroment and good skills the feminized seeds can be useful in small spaces. {i use them}
I wish you the best of luck with whatever seeds/lights/method you choose. :)

[privatepile]

Ya i have decided to change my grow space to accommodate these lights.

i have good lighting and i have read a lot about watering feeding and light cycles.I will be using a fan and i will not interrupt the plant while it is sleeping.

i hope that this will be enough to keep the seeds female and not hermies.

[Opie Yutts]

there are 400 watt hps systems on ebay for 150. I thought it was pretty good. anyone else think its good, bad?

Sounds about right for the good deals available, but 400 is too much for his space. I would stick with 200.

[Opie Yutts]

Thanks for the help.For the last 2 days i have researched as much as i could.I have changed my light source and i am going to stick with this.

Trade Hydro - Envirolite Two Lamp 200W Reflector Kit (http://www.tradehydro.com/products/envirolite-two-lamp-200w-reflector-kit.html)

I will use 2x200watt veg bulbs for veg and 2x200watt flower bulbs for flower.I will also add CFLs or Flouro for the sides of the plant.

The main reason is because off all the ventilation and cooling that is associated with HPS.

I am also interested in getting feminised white widow seeds.There seems to be 2 schools of taught on this.

(1) Its great because you dont have to weed out them males and it saves time.Some people swear by it
(2)Using feminised seeds causes Hermaphrodite plants and people should not use them.

Agagin thanks for all the help

Good choice on the light, I think. I couldn't really tell if you get 2 each 200 watt blue and 2 each red, or 150 watters, or 1 each, but then I'm a little tipsy. I normally don't advocate fluoros, but just starting out, or for low budgets, or tight spaces, I tend to lean that way.

Don't get too hyped up about feminized seeds. It just means they are more likely to be female, and many people don't believe in such things. Also they cost 2 or 3 times as much. Anyway when you buy the non-feminized seeds, seems like 3/4 or more are usually female. I'ld just start a few extra, then reveg the best female for cloning.

[twoguysupnorth]

a 400 hps would be a nice place to start. 150 has done well ,though....

[privatepile]

I was going to use a hps but a lot of waork for a 1st grow.

Maybe 2nd 3rd grown

[Opie Yutts]

Fluoros are a great light for begginers. However, depending on how confident you are with your planning and building skills, you may want to do it right the first time. You will need to totally redesign you grow room when you switch to HID lighting. Just don't forget to completely read up on the ventilation required, then plan on fixing things several times before you get it dialed in.

[Forwhat420]

400 watts with a good size fan blowing in between the bulb and the plants usually doesnt produce much heat. as long as there is a air cooled hood. but for the space probably not economical. no small closet to cut a hole in the top of by an chance?

[privatepile]

I have decided on this light,any views on it.

Not to sure if i can use it to veg?

[privatepile]

400w Complete CoolTube Grow Light Fan Kit : Hydroponics - eBay Plants Seeds Bulbs, Garden Plants, Home Garden (end time 08-Oct-07 18:57:00 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/400w-Complete-CoolTube-Grow-Light-Fan-Kit-Hydroponics_W0QQitemZ150131368586QQihZ005QQcategor yZ43555QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem)

[Dutch Pimp]

That should work nice, troop....veg and flower.

[twoguysupnorth]

yes you can use hps to veg and flower, it works. if you only have one space and one light its ok, but if you have another little space to veg even with flourescents, it helps.

[Opie Yutts]

Yeah, you can pretty much use anything to veg. You'll get varying results from varying lights, but most anything will make the plant grow. You really want to concentrate on flowering lighting.

[privatepile]

Here are some pics.I apologize for the picture quality my digital camera seems to be having problems taking pics close up.I will fix this problem for the next pics.

The main plant is 8 days old.Its 5 days since it broke through the soil.

I would like to hear what you guys think and any suggestions you may have.

I have ordered 2x125 watt envirolite (Flowering spectrum)At the moment there is 3x20watt cfls(100 watt equiv)i think its time to add another cfl.
I hope 4 cfls is enough???

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[Opie Yutts]

The more light you can use the better. More light = more weed, especially during flowering. However, I would not add more light until they are 4 or 5 inches tall. The babies don't like it.

Lookin good so far.

[privatepile]

NOOoooooo

Just took a close look at my plants and i have a problem.The stem on 1 plant is think and sturdy.But the other stem is thin and weak.It has tipped over and doesnt seem to be able to support itself

Anyone know a remedy?

[twitch]

2 things put a toothpick next to it or give it 3 more days and it will more then likly pick its self up
and listen to opie he knows whats up he will save u alot of reading lol
good luck on ur grow dude i have one i just put into flowering and another one i ma going to put in flowering in a couple of days
oh and get something that will tell u the temp inside

[privatepile]

I added more soil and that seems to be helping.The pots were only half full.

I also added a fan this should strengthen the stem.

As you can see its a very basis grow but a grow none the less.I taught it would be better to start small as opposed to shooting straight in with a 600HPS system.

I will use this method 3/4/ times and then change lighting and set up/

Thanks for all you help./

[Opie Yutts]

On the toppled over one, is the stem smaller and squishy-looking right where it touches the dirt? If so this is probably over watering, and the stem is rotting where it meets the soil. I soak the soil once at the beggining, then don't water for a week or two. You want the soil to almost dry out between waterings, but at your stage you need to try to keep the soil and plants warm and moist. I said moist not wet.

[privatepile]

Wow bang on.

I placed some dirt around it and it can support itself now.Is the plant doomed.Should i chuck it out?

[privatepile]

Ok More pics.The plants are 10 days old now.I think they are a bit small maybe 4 inches.Here is a few pics.

I have started to water less and they are on a 18/6 light cycle.I will buy a proper fan on Wed the fans i have now have to have there batteries change 2 a day.

There name are weedy and dubey

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[Opie Yutts]

Thanks for the photos, looks like there doing fine for 10 days. Just be patient, keep up on the basics, and they will one day take off and you'll be suprised. Be careful though, it looks like the light is almost touching one of the plants. At this point you should not have the light real close to the babies. The lights should be about 1 foot back until they start to show some real signs of growth. Then move the lights as close as possible without causing heat stress. Touching the plants is too close.

[privatepile]

I just found out the bulbs are the wrong spectrum.They are 2700K.

I will order some daylight bulbs tomorrow.Im a bit annoyed really.Because i researched until my eyes were sore from reading and i over looked the bulbs.

When i saw CFL i presumed they were all the same.

i HAVE NOW SWITCHED TO A 20/4 LIGHT CYCLE UNTIL THE NEW BULBS ARRIVE.

What effect do you think this will have on the plants?

Would you consider them ruined.

[privatepile]

. Be careful though, it looks like the light is almost touching one of the plants. At this point you should not have the light real close to the babies. The lights should be about 1 foot back until they start to show some real signs of growth. Then move the lights as close as possible without causing heat stress. Touching the plants is too close.

I was thinking of doing this but i am worried that it will stretch the plant looking considering i have the wrong bulbs at the moment.2700K

[JerzeeAmbeez]

try this game called O-GROW its pretty good growing guide... see if you can keep a fake plant alive then you shouldn't been so scared of the real thing

[privatepile]

Why the sarcasm?

You need to smoke a dubey and chill.

[privatepile]

How far awayshould the fan be.I bought a desktop oscillating fan today and have it on a low setting a few inches from the plants.

They are still young and the stems seem to movewith the air.

[Opie Yutts]

i HAVE NOW SWITCHED TO A 20/4 LIGHT CYCLE UNTIL THE NEW BULBS ARRIVE.
What effect do you think this will have on the plants?
Would you consider them ruined.

Any changing or fiddling about can stress a plant. If it doesn't harm it, it could turn hermie on you from stress. This is probably not going to happen since it is rare, and a few varieties are real spoiled while others can take anything you throw at them. Just try not to change stuff too much or too often. 20/4, 18/6, 24,0 - it won't really matter much at this point. Different cycles have different pros and cons, but as long as you have a veg cycle right now things are on the right track and the babies will probably turn into toddlers. PS. if you type in all caps on the internet it means you are abbreviating or yelling.

I was thinking of doing this (keeping the light 1 foot back) but i am worried that it will stretch the plant looking considering i have the wrong bulbs at the moment.2700K

No matter what the light, you want to keep it back from plants that have just sprouted. Over a period of about 2 weeks you should gradually move it closer until it is as close as the plant can stand without stressing it. That's an inch or two with CFL, anywhere from 4 to 18 inches with HID, and 0 inches if you have a properly set up cool tube.

try this game called O-GROW its pretty good growing guide...
Why the sarcasm?

I'm not sure he was being antagonistic. I kinda thought he was tyring to help. Another great guide/game is HighGrow. Both are available here: downloads drugs and cannabis related downloads like games drugtest and a rolling handbook (http://www.drugs-plaza.com/downloads.htm) Incase anyone is interested, here's some info and download links from the site:
O-Grow 1.0 (http://www.drugs-plaza.com/downloads/setup.exe)(10 mb)
Released in 2006 O-Grow is the first continuous-play marijuana growing simulation game on the PC. Offering two gameplay options of full mode or simulation mode, players can benefit from all game features or disable the fictional parts of the game such as the trading market and objectives. Choose your seeds to plant by reading the information in the shopping section. Gameplay is accompanied by original music.
HighGrow (http://www.drugs-plaza.com/downloads/highgrow420.zip) V4.20 (2,03 Mb) - Legal Marijuana Growing
HighGrow is the world's first artificially simulated marijuana growing program. You can now finally grow your own marijuana plants without the constant fear of a visit by members of your local narcotics branch. With HighGrow version 4.20, you can choose and plant ninety seeds at any time, and then watch them grow into large potent marijuana bushes, harvesting them when you feel they have reached their peak potency. This educational program realistically imitates the life-cycle of the Cannabis plant. You'll be able to adjust the lighting, water, fertilize, prune and care for your developing plants, while learning more about them at the same time! File is zipped.

I think both of those are really cool programs, and have a bunch of good information on how to grow.

How far awayshould the fan be.I bought a desktop oscillating fan today and have it on a low setting a few inches from the plants. They are still young and the stems seem to movewith the air.

That's good that the plants are moving with air, but at this stage it should be real slight. In fact you don't really need to make this happen for a couple weeks. When they start growing good, then they should be gently rustling in the breeze, not getting uprooted and flying away in a hurricane. This makes them much stronger overall, and more likely for a branch to hold a big glob of bud. However, you do need to keep the air from getting stagnent by exchanging it occasionally with a fan. The plants will probably move a little from this. How big? How far away? Depends on a lot of things, especially the cfm of the fan. Oscillating is good. Just make them gently and slightly move, then as they get bigger, make them move more aggresivelly. Keep in mind more ventilation means lower humidity.

I hope I answered your questions. Good luck.

[Mrs. Greenjeans]

I had a lot of fun with HighGrow before I ever germed a real seed. It actually taught me a lot.

[Opie Yutts]

I had a lot of fun with HighGrow before I ever germed a real seed. It actually taught me a lot.

You see? A teaching aid that's fun. If you are a begginer this might be an awsome place to start. Like I said, a lot of information. I wish I knew about this before I started growing. It might have saved me hours of frustration and work. You don't even have to do the grow similation to get at most of the info. Even if you're not a begginer it's a good idea to take a look.

[privatepile]

Thanks Opie Nuts for all your help.You really are a merit to this site.

I never realized that using caps was shouting a apologize for this im new enough to forums.


JerzeeAmbeez
I owe you an apology.I looked at your post and read about keeping a fake plant alive and taught you were poking fun at me.

When i look at sentences i some times get words mixed up.Im not illiterate or anything like that.I got a bang on the head 2 years ago and that is one of the effects from it.

[Opie Yutts]

Glad to help. That really sucks about your effects of getting hit on the head. At least you're still alive and can function.

[privatepile]

Latest pic.

I took 10 and only 1 was useable.The rest were too blured.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s13/damienbrown1/102_1153.jpg

[Opie Yutts]

As best as I can tell, that plant is nice and healthy. And I've always said you have to take about 50 or 100 pictures to get one good one.

[pccdrom]

I have 2 plants under one 600w hps in cooltube. This is in a wardrobe with one extractor fan connected to the cool tube. Light can hang abt 12" from plants due to cooltube. Use the hps throughout veg & flower

[privatepile]

Today my plant is 19days old(From the day it broke through the soil)

Another week and i have to transplant to bigger pots.I have a multi purpose compost.Which has enough food to feed the plant for 6 weeks.

Im wondering if the compost will cause root burn?

Also should i still feed the plant for the next 6 weeks.

[Opie Yutts]

If your soil is set up to feed the plants for the next six weeks, then don't add any other ferts during that time. In general it is best not to use soil that has food in it so that you can control the grow cycles.

If it's made for planting plants, then it should not cause root burn at 19 days old, but you are supposed to feed with about 1/4 strength nutes when just starting to feed. I don't know what strength your ferts are.

[privatepile]

At the moment i am using top soil that i bought in my garden center.
It is sterilized.

I was thinking it would be better to continue using this soil and feed the plants myself.

Much easier to monitor how much nutes they have.

I live in Ireland so we have different brands.

I have seeing plent of 20 20 20 feeds.Would this be okay using 1/4 1/2 3/4 then full strength?

[Opie Yutts]

I assume you are talking about the solid (crystallized?) kind that you mix with water. I prefer to steer away from these and use liquid nutrients that can be used either for hydroponic or soil. These strengths are usually lower, like 4 2 3 or something. I'm pretty sure there is a much wider array of plant manipulating possibilities this way, such as using Big Bud or something, to really get the buds to swell up. Some people use like 12 different kinds of nutrients throughout the grow, depending on what stage the plants are in. Not me.

I highly recommend Fox Farm's Grow Big for veg and Tiger Bloom for bud, and a couple other things sprinkled here and there at your discretion (read up on that). Lot's of other people seem to like those products too. Every other watering or so, you mix these in at 1/4 to 1/2 of the strength recommended for hydroponic applications. That's for if they don't have recommendations for dirt farming.

Fox farm is widely available throughout the internet. Also I would really be surprised if you don't have at least a few of the major brands we have in the states.

Top soil will do, but potting soil is much better. I would mix some perlite, vermiculite, peat, and maybe some quano in it. By the time you do all that, I guess you could just buy potting soil, but then I would still still mix a little vermiculite and perlite in there. Would it be to much trouble to exchange the top soil?

[twoguysupnorth]

20/20/20 will work for you first grow(weeker solution), but just like opie said you will find something better your 2nd time around. they really can work if you are carefull. you dont want to buy an acidic plant food(roses and azelias), and i bet you can find some guano for both veg and flowering. use what you have.

[privatepile]

I bought some tomato feed.I will start using it in a few weeks at 1/4 strength.

I took a look at the multi perpose compost i have.It is ideal for sowing seeds,cuttings and young plants.

So i will transplant to night.

Thanks for all the help

[yokinazu]

i use earth juice with a little fish emulsions thrown in during veg. and just before flower i put a little rock phosphate on my soil.

[privatepile]

I transplated a while ago.I placed the 2 plants in much bigger pots.

I went with the potting compost for young plants and seedlings.

I wont use the tomato feed until it looks like the plant needs it.

I think i broke a part of the root in one of the plants so i am expecting it to die.

Although it was only a small piece of root.

They were just starting to turn yellow at the tips of the leaves so i hope that problem will go away npw that they are being fed.

I will upload some pics in a while justt charging the batteries

[privatepile]

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[Opie Yutts]

Your broken root plant probably won't die since it is a small part of the root system.

Nice improvisation on the reflector. Haven't seen that one before.

A little yellowing on the first leaves is normal.

Make sure you let the soil almost completley dry out before next watering, unless the plant look like they are wilting.

[privatepile]

Again thanks for your help.

I keep forgetting that they are weeds and generally grow well.

I think that because its my 1st grow i am real nervous of the smallest change.

I taught the yellow leaves were a sign the plant was dying.

A bit like a 1st time mother really all the worry.

The reflector LOL.Cost â?¬2.00.Its a disposabe Salver tray.

I think the plants are way too small for there age.There are a lot of leaves forming but not much height.

Its 2 days shy of week three.I read that some people start to flower at this time

[Opie Yutts]

The people that flower at 3 weeks have likely started cuttings in an aero-chamber of some sort, and are planting roughly 12 days after being cut. The plants are 3-8" tall, and the roots are 2-5" long.

You have to be patient. Growing from seed takes time to get going. As long as they are still alive, don't get too much or little water, and the roots don't touch any ferts yet, things should be fine. Just keep the light back from them a little for a few more days, and keep them warm. The warmer it is the faster they will grow, but then there's more chance of mold or rot. Just watch carefully for that if you turn up the temps.

[privatepile]

Ahhh i dont mind the wait i was just over worried,I just read about 20 grow logs and they all seem to be around the same size,

The temp at the moment is 75.That is around the ideal temp so i will leave it at that.

[privatepile]

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Im really sorry about the quality of the pics.If any one has some advise on how to take better pics let me know.

If you look at the 3rd and 4th pics from the bottom you can see the edge of the leaves turning dark brown.

My heat is around 75.There is a fan blowing on them and the bulbs are about 4 inches away.I dont think its burnt i reckon its a nute deficiency.

[privatepile]

I ordered this about 2 weeks ago just waiting for it to arrive.

eBay.ie: 3in1 Hydroponic Plant Soil pH/Moisture/Light Meter NEW (item 280161854217 end time 14-Oct-07 20:50:06 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280161854217&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:IE:11)

Anyone know if they are any good or used them before.

[privatepile]

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Now 2 good pics

[Opie Yutts]

What are you using for a camera. Not a cell phone I hope. To get good pictures you need to start with a good camera. It doesn't have to be too expensive, but not a cheap one either. If your camera has auto focus, just make sure the center of your screen is on the important subject matter when you push the button half way down to get it to focus, then you can move it anywhere else, like if you want the subject in the corner instead of the middle, before you press it all the way down. Your camera may not be able to focus very close. I would read any documentation you have and see what the closest you can get to a subject is. And if you can, get a camera with macro, so you can get in nice and tight.