Not Sure

[whatsthatsmell]

How do these look, i'm not sure if i have Heat stress, or from what i was told when they arrived on Aug 22nd they this plant is normally light/pale green...

400w MH on 24/7
feeding only water - i think they are too young for fert
Misting twice a day
Temp - 75 - 84
Hum - 42 - 54%
fan blowing light all the time.

Arrival Day and now

[whatsthatsmell]

All four

[Weedhound]

I'm wondering if you are burning them....are you misting them with the light on? I'd also check the ph of your soil runoff and see what it comes up as....Don't know enough about soil to really offer anything....sorry.....looks like possibly ph lockout.

Here is an excellent troubleshooting chart.....hope it helps. Good luck. :)

Revised: The Complete Guide To Sick Plants,pH and Pest Troubles - PlanetGanja.com (http://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/showthread.php?t=8778)

[whatsthatsmell]

When i mist them, i pull them from under the lights, and mist for anywhere between 15 - 20 minutes. I mist when the leaf is not holding water anymore. Before i put them back under the light, all the water on the plant leaf is gone, this will last about an hour or so. My thought is that since they are under a 400W MH that the hour or so they are not there will not hurt them. These plants are only 15 days old.

If this is pH lockout from the soil, would a flush take care of the problem or am i better off just going with a soilless mix and disgarding the premix that they are in now (it is MG premix and i have seen alot of people having problems with that).

Thoughts and opinions are greatly appreciated since this is my very first grow

[blink_inc]

I think that foliar feeding at such a young age can do more harm than good. Hold off on foliar feeding for now. (Others opinions may differ)

Check the runoff PH next watering and give a good flush with PH adjusted water.

I use MG soil and generally run into a little N deficiency in the beginning however they seem to pull through it after a week (2 good waterings).

Occasional flushing is good to do anyway.

[Ganja Guerrilla]

I believe your in lockout, your plants are showing several def's
sulphur and calcium for sure

whats the soil brand your using
whats the PH of your water
whats the PH of the soil

[whatsthatsmell]

my soil is MG premix (thinking of going to a mix that is manure and humus and then adding perilite (2:1 ratio)...sound familer...Stinkyattic?)

The pH of the water is 7.2
The pH of the soil ranges from 6.9 - 7.4

I was thinking of doing a flush, it is getting close to watering time anyways.

[sd6515]

I have a similar problem that I with my plants and I believe it was from misting/foliar feeding too you mine went pretty bad but once i stopped it is slowly getting better my advice don't folliar feed for awhile here is what mine looked/look like.

[sd6515]

after a second look at your pics enlarged it def looks like the misting is the problem you can see little dots on the leaves caused by the misting and it more solid where the moisture is gathering at the centers of the leaves

[PAPPYCRUKK]

how close to light is they

[whatsthatsmell]

they are 24inches from the bottom of the 400 MH bulb to the top of the plant

[stinkyattic]

sd6515- that's from touching your flouro tubes earlier. I remember that thread.
whatsthatsmell- didn't you have another thread about this too? That you got htose as clones and they already looked like that? By misting them you are doing something called reverse foliar feeding... in essence, you are leaching out nutrients. If you mist, do it with a complete fertilizer. I don't like to mist my clones once I have determined that thye are rooted. Once they have roots, they can- and should be forced to- take up their food and water that way.

[whatsthatsmell]

Stinky - That is my grow log, i wasnt sure if it would be a big deal to put a question in here since not everyone goes to the grow log section and can still get the advice that i need. I hope that isnt a problem, if it i completely understand.

i have changed the soil and stopped the misting completely, what your saying does make sense to me, especially since i have seen a big difference in the way everything is going now.

[stinkyattic]

no I wasn't saying it was a problem, cool, I'm glad it is getting better!

[PharmaCan]

The pH of the water is 7.2


You are adjusting the pH of the water before you water your plants, aren't you?

Just FYI, when someone asks the pH of your water, what they usually mean is "What is the pH of your solution just before you pour it in your pot?"

PC :smokin:

[whatsthatsmell]

I'm testing the water before i add to plants, and then i test the run-off. after i have tested the run-off i then test the soil pH also. I maybe a little ocd but i figure its better to be ocd than not at all. I am open to other things as well. for example, what is the best result of lighting....is it better to have 24/7 or 18/6. Is the 24/7 too much stress for the plants or should it be ok with that for the veg state?

[stinkyattic]

Lighting schedule seems to be a matter of personal preference. And personally, I prefer 24/0 simply because it allows me to maintain a very steady temperature, and I don't have to worry about keeping my veggers in a place where they can have uninterrupted darkness.
Uninterrupted light is far easier to maintain!
Here's a pic of some clones.... lol....

[whatsthatsmell]

ok, asked for pics, so here you go....

This is the current status of Amy...

keep in mind these pics are taken while the 400w MH light is still on.

[stinkyattic]

Yikes, foliar feed with a complete Grow fert right away. You definitely need N and micros.
Thanks for the kind words too.

[PharmaCan]

Here's a pic of some clones.... lol....

On the back of the toilet... :lol5:

Do ya ever feel like your contending with gerbles?

PC :smokin:

[whatsthatsmell]

i was gonna mention something like....as they get older does that help with the stink?

[stinkyattic]

HAHAHAHA well it is good entertainment when my friends go in to take a piss and I hear guffaws coming from the loo.

As for the stink, that would be a nice bathroom freshener.

But seriously they are only living there temporarily until my friend sets up his hydrohut and they take up residence there.

[whatsthatsmell]

would you recommend an All purpose (24-8-16) or a Nursery Select (30-10-10) and would that be full strength or deluted?

I also have a fish emulsion, mix that with the fert also or is that too much?

[stinkyattic]

Leave the fish goo out of the foliar feed.
Either one of those would be okay for a foliar at this stage as long as it has micronutrients in it.

[whatsthatsmell]

side by side compare has the Nursery Select with more micro's, i'll leave the all purpose for normal feeding..... this should be full strength?

[stinkyattic]

It's quite likely that there is an instruction on the bottle for use as a foliar feed.
If there isn't go ahead and use it at the recommeded strength. Add one drop dish soap as a sticking agent.
Go easy; don't drown them... A spray today, then another tomorrow.

[whatsthatsmell]

ok, so yesterday i foliage fed the plants and this morning i am starting to see that they are getting darker green veins on the leafs. I believe this is what i should be seeing, is this correct?

One other thing i just thought of, is it possible to stress a plant by putting it under a 600w MH light before it had a large root ball? Currently the plants are about 5 inches tall and they have been under the 600w MH light for about 2 weeks now, i'm wondering if i stressed them by putting there too early (if thats possible)

[stinkyattic]

You are wanting to see darker green between the veins as well, but that is a start.

Yes, you can stress a newly-rooted clone by putting in under too-intense light too early, but if you weren't seeing severe droop/wilt, that wasn't your big problem. As long as the plnats are a sufficient distance from any intense light source until it is clear that they are well-rooted, you are fine.

[whatsthatsmell]

i did see some tips drying up and dieing in the beginning but i clipped those so the plant wasnt putting any energy into them. Sounds like i'm on my way then... thanks alot stinky, greatly appreciated.