false pro-marijuana facts?

[koshea]

i love pot. i really do. with every bowl i smoke i love it... but being a daily smoker has caused me some serious lung problems...i dont know who said it isnt bad for your lungs, but yeah...im going to have to cut back to about once a week because of it...

be careful, its fucking my lungs up..

[maryjanemama]

I need to stop smoking every once and a while and clear my head. I'm not sure if it's weed or my abuse of it, but a break is necessary soon. Sometimes it's just too easy to smoke too much. This is my own fault, though. :o

[geoffrowley19]

well ofcourse ne thing u smoke is bad for ur lungs, anyone who disagrees with that is an idiot

[Climbing High]

yea, i hate when pot smokers fail to recognize the health affects of smoking. sure, its not as bad for you as other things, but smoking anything will eventually make you sicks or kill you, its a fact. if you dont believe it, research it. i myslef love pot, but when i smoke i realize the health affects associated with it. peace.

[ChickenHuntin]

Are there any known health problems from eating it? If we could get it in large quantities for cheap, then we could all just eat that shiznit. Has anyone had weed on pizza? I need to try that. One time I had weed on my fingers and when I bit the crust it was like biting into heaven. That's the only way I can describe it.

[chris420]

yeah any kind of smoke will screw up ur lungs. i used to smoke cigs, i quit 2 weeks ago and those nasty cigs caused me a horrible caugh and i was spitting up some gray stuff. now i just smoke grass but still on a daily basis and my cough is a whole lot better. Quit smoking cigs while u can !

[notanovice]

of course it`s bad for your lungs if you SMOKE it.
if you vapoourize it, your lungs do not inhale anything bad like plant matter.
they have done long term studies (25 year study) on the effects of vapourized thc inhilation, and guess what, they found no permanent ill effects.
but as for smoking it, it`s been proven to cause certain lung ailments and permanent damage to the lungs, not from the thc but the burning of the plant material and the papers, blunts are the worst when it comes to lung damage as they are comprised of tobacco and weed.
tobacco has been proven to cause lung cancer and heart disease.as for weed alone, in a water pipe, has not. dont get me wrong, it does damage the lung tissue somewhat, but not even close to tobacco. :(

[Stoned Scouser]

i'm goin cold turkey til after my court case in march an then i'm cuttin' down to jus smokin' of a wknd... i was on 4-6 joints a day for about 7 months and it definately affected my health for the worse... i had a really bad cough, lost a stone in weight an had permanant bags under my eyes an tiredness etc. i think u definately can go over the top with it!

This is my 11th day clean 2day an its really hard but iv given up b4 an' it get easier after the 1st 2 wks... sayin that i cant wait 2 blaze a fat skunk reefer as soon as everythin has blown over :p

[koshea]

well i always smoke out of my bong, and i was wondering, are there any effective home made vaporisers that dont waste weed and wont tear up my lungs?

[NowhereMan]

all them anti weed fools should look up cigs and bitch some
but the own stock in RJR so they wont

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[Nullific]

If you smoke a lot of shitty weed maybe, with better quality weed you inhale less smoke so less potential damage. Theres still nothing in the hundreds of years that man has used marijuana to suggest that it significantly damages the lungs or rest of your body.
Higher incident of throat infection maybe, I personally have never experienced this problem.
It is also important to note that marijuana smoke does not cause emphysema because it does not effect the small airways like tobacco smoke.

[koshea]

dude...all i smoke is extremley high quality bud

[F L E S H]

I really don't think dank bud is any healthier than schwagg. The harmful elements in the smoke will harm no matter what.

[Reefer Rogue]

im with nullific on this one he knows his stuff. koshea what do u mean by lung problems exactly? do you smoke ciggarettes? do you exercise enough? i know smoke is bad for you in comparison to vaporizing but thers no actual evidence that proves that smoking weed can cause lung cancer because it goes down a different part of the lungs as opposed to tobacco.

[ermitonto]

I really don't think dank bud is any healthier than schwagg. The harmful elements in the smoke will harm no matter what.

I think you're missing the point. Of course there's nothing qualitatively different about the smoke, but with really good bud all it takes is a few hits of smoke to get a good buzz versus a couple joints if you have some shitty shwag. The difference is in the effects of a few puffs of smoke compared to a couple dozen lungfuls.

[ChickenHuntin]

In my past I've smoked shit that took me one hit to get high and i smoke all day everyday. If we all smoked shit like that, no one could accuse us of destroying our lungs. If someone says, "If you keep smokin' that shit, you're gonna give yourself lung cancer." we can say, "Yeah, maybe by the time im 250 years old."

[slipnslide087]

ok, well i only smoke really good weed, and its always out the bong. but when i get some better weed, i dont take smaller rips of it. i would would take huge rips of any kind of weed im smokin. i think most other people do that too. so to disagree with nullific, if i smoked a lot of shitty weed, that wouldnt be worse for my lungs than smoking a lot of good weed. thats straight bullshit. i dont know anyone who takes small hits just bc its good weed. thats not getting the whole effect, that would be a waste.

[Torog]

In my past I've smoked shit that took me one hit to get high and i smoke all day everyday. If we all smoked shit like that, no one could accuse us of destroying our lungs. If someone says, "If you keep smokin' that shit, you're gonna give yourself lung cancer." we can say, "Yeah, maybe by the time im 250 years old."
Howdy ChickenHuntin,

Well I'll be daggumed..what you said--makes sense..lol..it behooves the prudent toker..to toke the very best..rather than puttin your lungs to test....

Have a good one...Torog :D

[ChickenHuntin]

DUDE, WHEN ITS GOOD SHIT U DONT TAKE AS MANY HITS, YOU COULD SMOKE 2 GRAMS OF SHITTY ASS SHIT IN ONE SITTING WHILE U MIGHT ONLY TAKE LIKE 3 HITS OF REALLY GOOD SHIT, NO MATTER HOW BIG YOUR RIPS WERE IT WOULD STEAL BE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF SMOKE, THUS THE AMOUNT OF TOXINS THAT ENTER YOUR BODY WOULD BE LIMITED.

[ChickenHuntin]

Thanks Torog

[ermitonto]

I'm just restating the theory. I don't know how true it is, and I don't really think it matters since there has not been one recorded case in all of history of someone dying from smoking pot. I realize it's not exactly consequence-free (sometimes I hack up little black goobers) but its health effects are pretty negligible especially compared to the benefits of smoking no matter what kind of weed it is.

[HeLTeR.SKeLTeR]

fucking sun gives you cancer but you are not going to stay home all day are you? I think everything you abuse can cause negative effects, like eating to much, working to much, and of course smoking to much.

[maryjanemama]

I think everything you abuse can cause negative effects, like eating to much, working to much, and of course smoking to much.
I agree, this is the point I was trying to make. Anything in excess is no good.

[ChickenHuntin]

Yes, but if we know what we are capable of doing in excess, we can make an attempt to limit the strains put on your body. That's why people quit smoking, that's why people put on sun screen, god damn.

[HeLTeR.SKeLTeR]

I don't get it, why do you limit the strains on your body to then have to quit smoking or start suntanning?


I don't know, I'm rather confused by what you said...

[ChickenHuntin]

I give up. I'm right, you're wrong. Let this thread be gone.

[HeLTeR.SKeLTeR]

sorry dude, hope you did not take anything personal ;)

[slipnslide087]

what i am saying is this...........how many people here do just take 3 rips of good weed, but would take 20 of shitty weed......thats great, but im saying just bc you cant or dont, that doesnt mean i dont too. i smoke just as much good weed as i could shitty weed. thats why it doesnt come in affect for me. not everyone is a lightweight.

[slipnslide087]

QUOTE: chickenhuntin says - "DUDE, WHEN ITS GOOD SHIT U DONT TAKE AS MANY HITS, YOU COULD SMOKE 2 GRAMS OF SHITTY ASS SHIT IN ONE SITTING WHILE U MIGHT ONLY TAKE LIKE 3 HITS OF REALLY GOOD SHIT, NO MATTER HOW BIG YOUR RIPS WERE IT WOULD STEAL BE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN THE AMOUNT OF SMOKE, THUS THE AMOUNT OF TOXINS THAT ENTER YOUR BODY WOULD BE LIMITED."

that is an opinon........that depends on how you smoke......so fucking calm down

[Mello.as.Hello]

what i am saying is this...........how many people here do just take 3 rips of good weed, but would take 20 of shitty weed......thats great, but im saying just bc you cant or dont, that doesnt mean i dont too. i smoke just as much good weed as i could shitty weed. thats why it doesnt come in affect for me. not everyone is a lightweight.

I agree with this guy..

I don't care if it's $50 of $500 an ounce, I'ml ikely to smoke alot of it, very quickly.

Just the way it is. I use mids on a regular basis (medical reasons), and have some good stuff around for the good times, but I use my vaporgenie.. so it's not really fair for me to say anything.... .. :p ....

But the vaporgenie is nice! It's a pipe that vaporizes! Woo! :D
www.vaporgenie.com

[koshea]

im with nullific on this one he knows his stuff. koshea what do u mean by lung problems exactly? do you smoke ciggarettes? do you exercise enough? i know smoke is bad for you in comparison to vaporizing but thers no actual evidence that proves that smoking weed can cause lung cancer because it goes down a different part of the lungs as opposed to tobacco.

i do not smoke any baccy, except in a very occational blunt (once every 2 weeks or so) and i play varsity football at my school, i excercise everyday harder that probally alot of you, and all i smoke is high quality, nearly white buds (from all the crystals) i can afford this because i sell and i can pinch a few grams off a qp

and i smoke about 2-4 times daily out of my bong (usually around 2-4 bowls a day)

ps. (most of the time i dont smoke alone)

[justanotheramerican]

Just some quick info for you in case it hasn't been posted or you didn't read it in High Times.

There are small particles in the plant matter in our pot that ends up in the smoke. Once in your lungs they reduce your lungs ability to clean themselves, which, if you put as much tar in you lungs as I do, is a very bad thing to have happen. But water filters it out. Score one for bongs, bubblers and vaporizers.

[koshea]

yeah, did u not hear that i always smoke out of my bong?? lol...

[justanotheramerican]

god i love my bong. we took a used goldschlagers bottle and made it into a bong. it is the best bong i have ever used.

[Syrus]

ok, well i only smoke really good weed, and its always out the bong. but when i get some better weed, i dont take smaller rips of it. i would would take huge rips of any kind of weed im smokin. i think most other people do that too. so to disagree with nullific, if i smoked a lot of shitty weed, that wouldnt be worse for my lungs than smoking a lot of good weed. thats straight bullshit. i dont know anyone who takes small hits just bc its good weed. thats not getting the whole effect, that would be a waste.

Your thinknig of it on to much of a smaller scale. Think of it as bong hits, one hit of really good week will make you much more stoned than one hit off crap weed, so you will sue the bong less therefore less damage to the lungs.

[Delta9]

How bout' a little Moonshine?

Nothing beats a good methanol kick in the morning.

[slipnslide087]

no no no/////i never take just one rip from my bong though.////i can keep on packing bowls...and yes good weed. so therefore, no, not less.

and koshea man....if your only getting a few grams outta the qp your getting shitty prices dude. you should automatically have almost an ounce to smoke on and still break even.....thats just if you sell it $50 an 8th or whatever....you can always bring in about 400 an oz....so if you pay 1200 for the qp (shitty price) thats already an ounce in your pocket....sell the rest and you break even. thats the way to do it man.

[psychocat]

Vaporizing still releases CO and other poisonous gases.
Quality of weed makes no difference to the crap released when ANYTHING is burned.
Smoking or vaporizing anything will eventualy harm your lungs.
There are no accurate figures regarding lung damage from pot therefore it is impossible to say how many secret pot smokers have been diagnosed with cancer and it has been attributed to cig smoking.
I accept the health risks the same as when I decide to emmulate Barry Sheen on the backroads where I live , YOU AIN'T GONNA LIVE FOREVER !!

[Nullific]

The evidence stating that smoke filtered through water is 'healthier' than smoke from a joint or bong is negligable.
Some government studies I believe have been done on this, but they of course used NIDA supplied marijuana, which is shit.

Government issued and other anti-drug disinformation usually states something like "marijuana contains many of the same chemicals as tobacco smoke but in higher concentrations, marijuana smokes may be at a greater risk for developing lung problems or cancer."
This is all speculation, they leave out that marijuana smokers inhale much less volume of smoke and also that marijuana smoke does not contain polonium 210.
http://www.ukcia.org/research/cancer2.htm

Im not saying no marijuana smokers have ever had or will ever have lung problems. Maybe it just comes down to the individual and is dependent on other lifestyle and location factors. Perhaps you have a treatable lung infection (which cannabis smokers are at a higher risk of getting) and should see a doctor about it.

[braindead]

Vaporizing still releases CO and other poisonous gases.
Quality of weed makes no difference to the crap released when ANYTHING is burned.
Smoking or vaporizing anything will eventualy harm your lungs.
!!



I think whoever said at the start of this thread that there was a 25 year study on weed and vapourizers is a little confused. Where is this study? How did they get people to smoke weed for 25 years using just a vapourizer? I thought those things were only invented about 10 years ago.
I not sold on smoking weed causing cancer. Who says smoke is always bad? Chewing tobacco causes mouth and tongue cancer, chewing weed is perfectly safe. I think we have been brainwashed to think smoking anything is automatically bad. Maybe its the fact that tobacco is so bad that people have just assumed that smoking anything is bad.
I am still waitng for the proof, but since most tokers smoke ciggies there needs to be a study of just pot smokers.

[slipnslide087]

i know a lot of people who only smoke weed man.......maybe just me?..

[slipnslide087]

doesnt really matter though..........

[psychocat]

I think whoever said at the start of this thread that there was a 25 year study on weed and vapourizers is a little confused. Where is this study? How did they get people to smoke weed for 25 years using just a vapourizer? I thought those things were only invented about 10 years ago.
I not sold on smoking weed causing cancer. Who says smoke is always bad? Chewing tobacco causes mouth and tongue cancer, chewing weed is perfectly safe. I think we have been brainwashed to think smoking anything is automatically bad. Maybe its the fact that tobacco is so bad that people have just assumed that smoking anything is bad.
I am still waitng for the proof, but since most tokers smoke ciggies there needs to be a study of just pot smokers.

Basic chemistry man all burning substances with a carbon base release said carbon upon heating.
FACT !

[DontPassOnGrass]

Here's my input to the original question by Koshea. Jst be aware of the risks that you take when endulging in some fine ganja. breaks r always good and it almost always helps lower your tolerance. personally i prefer bongs over anything(even vaporizers) bc i like smoke, and a bong wt cold water(ice too) makes it soooo smooth and better on your throat. MMM MMM MM... jst wanna break out my SOBE bong but i gotta get some shit done rite now. Home-made glass bottle bongs r the shit!kickass

[Syrus]

no no no/////i never take just one rip from my bong though.////i can keep on packing bowls...and yes good weed. so therefore, no, not less.

and koshea man....if your only getting a few grams outta the qp your getting shitty prices dude. you should automatically have almost an ounce to smoke on and still break even.....thats just if you sell it $50 an 8th or whatever....you can always bring in about 400 an oz....so if you pay 1200 for the qp (shitty price) thats already an ounce in your pocket....sell the rest and you break even. thats the way to do it man.


Your getting shit weed man, or your techniques all wrong. Where i live were very fond of gravity bongs, and i have a friend who can completly level anyone with one hit.

[slipnslide087]

dude, my weed is probably better than yours, im not being an ass, just seriously, i have a good hook. i have a gravity, and i can level people in one hit. Many-a-people have even thrown up all over. i can rip the gravity a lot of times in a row, just bc im a more experienced smoker, and my lungs are used to taking in large amounts of smoke.
my techniques are fucking amazing man. ahahaha dont get me started on that shit. i always use the roor bong though. i think in this situation you are just the less experienced smoker....or you misunderstood something????....

[slipnslide087]

if it comes down to it, we can start a poll on this thread now. i still have a huge blueberry nug. post a pic of your bud and we'll see whos bud is shitty. (yours)

[Syrus]

yer right wotever, your not the the whoel fact i dotn have a job. no job = verry little money = no money to waste on cameras and shit liek that.

[jones2much]

BONGS are the healthiest way to smoke.....the water filters out a vast majority of the tar, and it does a good job of cooling the smoke. in fact, other chemicals are filtered out too, but not the thc. the BONG is also the best way to conserve your weed and get your maximum stone on. just remember to never burn more of the bowl than you can inhale in one lungful. be efficient. change water frequently. peace peeps :D :D :D :D :D :D

[jones2much]

also..........MODERATION IS THE KEY :cool: :cool: :cool:

[slipnslide087]

ok then, well if you really think im bullshitting just ask me to post the pic, and then you could see my weed is better. hahaa -only if you really cant just take my word.

[Nullific]

BONGS are the healthiest way to smoke.....the water filters out a vast majority of the tar, and it does a good job of cooling the smoke. in fact, other chemicals are filtered out too, but not the thc. the BONG is also the best way to conserve your weed and get your maximum stone on. just remember to never burn more of the bowl than you can inhale in one lungful. be efficient. change water frequently.
I wouldn't be so sure about that, sorry for all of you bong smokers but as I mentioned previously it is not known whether filtering the smoke through water is much healthier than smoking from a joint or pipe. Studies that have been done on this tend to show that bongs are also filtering THC so smokers have to inhale more to reach the desired effect. Also note that the more direct flame applied to the material, the more toxins released, when you apply flame directly to a bowl it is being heated more than say a cherried joint.

The link below shows the results of a MAPS-NORML study on seven smoking devices which include vapourizer, joints, pipe and different types of waterpipes/bongs.
http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06359mj1.html

[Mello.as.Hello]

vaporizing has 1% of the carcinogens smoke does. In fact, correctly done, vaporizing will produce nothing more than THC vapor. It's not THAT hard to use one, and it's way better than a bong for your lungs.

[Syrus]

ok then, well if you really think im bullshitting just ask me to post the pic, and then you could see my weed is better. hahaa -only if you really cant just take my word.

Are you still here, jese man take some drugs and be happy, stop trynig to get into an argument with someone over the internet, lifes to short.

[slipnslide087]

i probably was sober in those....i dont knoe man,,,,

[kr1Nx01]

I don't get it, why do you limit the strains on your body to then have to quit smoking or start suntanning?


I don't know, I'm rather confused by what you said...
...i'm rather confused by what you said :(. Sunscreen isn't suntan lotion... sunscreen blocks harmful UV elements from the sun's rays. and that other thing you said... well i couldn't find any cohesion to it so i can't really answer (since i don't know the question).

[Renee42]

Anyone plant your babies yet?

[OzzyOz]

does weed actually cause cancer

my health teacher said that, and i think it's bs... i've never read anything about weed causing cancer. Sure, smokin weed isn't good for you... but it's not significantly bad. If you smoke a couple times a week, you arn't doing much harm

[ermitonto]

No, weed isn't grown with the same radioactive fertilizers as tobacco. It's not tar or anything like that which causes lung cancer, it's the radioactive tobacco.

[Beeblebrox.420]

No, weed isn't grown with the same radioactive fertilizers as tobacco. It's not tar or anything like that which causes lung cancer, it's the radioactive tobacco.
No. While the polonium 210 found in tobacco is a suspected carcinogen, it is not known which of the three major known cancer-causing agents in tobacco is responsible for the majority of cancers. Polonium 210 exists naturally in many types of organic fertilizers in minute quantities, but for some reason, tobacco plants have a propensity for accumulating it. Weed doesn't contain any significant amounts of Po 210, but contains other suspected carcinogens. As with smoking tobacco, your risk of cancer from weed depends largely on your intake. It can be argued that the typical weed smoker is much less likely to develop cancer simply from the smaller amounts normally consumed. Cigarette smokers inhale much more smoke daily than the typical weed smoker.