Carrying weed in your car....

[ridindirty777]

Whats some of you guys secrets and stories.

I remember it seems like every single time before I started smoking or doing anything else, I could get pulled over for doing 20+, and they would just do the lisence,insurance usual thing and write me a ticket and I was on my way.

Since I started ummm Smoking and etc. every time I get pulled over, they want to search my vehicle it doesn't make sense? Maby its driving a nice car at a young age? But I just dont understand. If I dont have something on me they dont want to search but when I do, they ask to search.

I came to the conclusion it is all about being nervous. Cops are very good at what they do, and you can't blame them at all, they get paid to do their job. So next time you get pulled over, just relax. Have your lisence and insurance ready at your window, don't shake, and don't be to talkitive, but don't get nervous at all and you'll be all good.


My Method:
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When I have something on me, and getting stopped, if transporting or carrying a large amount I have it sealed off, in jars, which are placed in my speaker box which is drilled down to the floor. Their not going to smell or have any reason to take my speakers apart. Only reason for probable cause is me being so nervous. So now I try and be reasonable, have my stuff ready, and look like your normal traffic stop. I spray my air freshner, not much so it's not a strong smell. I then make eye contact with the officer, and talk as a normal traffic stop. Tell the officer you didn't realize you was traveling so fast, and don't give them any excuses because this just makes them more angry. If you have stuff on you, I hear this every day, in and out, do not consent to a search. If you have ever consented to a search you will realize when you work with them, they think your innocent. They will just check your concole, glove box, open up the trunk, etc. Now if you don't concent then you have a 50% chance of them brining a dog that will find your stuff. So my suggestion is to concent, and have your stuff hidden really well. Not in the ash tray, glove box, etc.

[JaggedEdge]

I just put it in an area I won't have to dig in for my registration, insurance, etc. I have never been searched and I look like the stereotypical stoner. Than again, I have never been pulled over while having or smoking weed in the car. I'm always on my best driving behavior when high or carrying.

If I did get pulled over while having potent weed in the car I would light a cigg and open the window a little to hand him my info. The tobacco should cover up the bag of weed, I would hope.

[thcbongman]

First thing is don't admit guilt to anything, including your speeding violation.

Never consent to a search. Directly or indirectly. Unless you have been formally arrested, don't ever hand the keys of your car over, and lock the doors behind you if they ask you to leave the car. Don't give them easy access to search it.

Having a traffic violation isn't grounds for them to search your car. Their hunch isn't probable cause. They need evidence more concrete. Smell is enough tho so be careful.

My suggestion is when you are carrying stuff, don't speed, and if you do have to carry a lot of stuff, don't toke in the car. But don't drive like a grandma either. Use common sense, and stay out of trouble in the first place.

[couch-potato]

Just be a good driver... robs them of any reason to pull you over in the first place. Stopping at stop signs isn't hard people.

[LazySmoking420]

Never get busted again.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B24t-Z4nZIU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=GDlCaS9swME

[Purple Banana]

I ALWAYS have cops following me at night, I have lots of bumper stickers on my car (THCBONGMAN can attest to it!) and I go 5 mph over the limit, and I obey ALL signs. It really isn't that hard!

I carry my stash in a baggie in a little slip under my headrest. I have been searched a few times before I knew my rights, and ridindirty is right, they don't want to tear your car apart, just glovebox, ashtray, under the seats, and in the trunk. That's it.

[blunt smoker]

I like the rule when carrying/smoking: Only break 1 law at at a time. So if you're carrying or smoking, you're breaking a law right there, don't break another one by speeding, etc. It just ups the risk.

[LazySmoking420]

Rule number one:

Only carry what you can eat. It's not illegal to smell like pot.

[Purple Banana]

Yep, I've eaten my share of a joint before when friends were pulled over by cops, and FREAKED out... It worked :D

[texas grass]

be good respectable drivers that follow the law of the road and check your lights every few weeks and you should be fine

[angry nomad]

ridindirty777, it sounds like you get pulled over waaay too much. Either something about the way you drive gets their attention (like driving too damn fast), or their are just way too many cops in your town who ain't got shit to do.

[Mississippi Steve]

A good driver *DOESN'T* toke and drive. If you want to stay out of trouble, KEEP THE WEED OUT OF THE VEHICLES!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything you do outside of the privacy of your own home is subject to scruteny.

If you insist on transporting *ANY* weed, lock it in the trunk, and go directly from point A to your home, get it out of the vehicle, and take it inside. Toking while driving is INSANE and a real good way to get yourself and/or an innocent killed or injured.

Think about driving down a street while impared, and a 3 or 4 year old jumps out in front of you from inbetween a couple of parked cars, and you couldn't react in time because you were blazed.... Could you live with the knowledge that you killed a child because you were stoned??

Use your head for something other than a hat rack.

[Purple Banana]

MS, I hate to play Devil's Advocate, but most people are smart enough not to smoke in their cars in heavily populated public places (of course, there still are some idiots who choose to); if a 3 or 4 year old jumped out in front of your car while you were changing the radio station, talking on your cell phone, sneezing, coughing, or even checking your blind spot to change lanes, your judgement would still be impaired, and your reflexes would be slowed. No one sober constantly expects a child to run out in front of them, so that's a poor example.

Anecdotally, my reaction time after smoking a bit is very similar, if not more enhanced than if I were sober (I am very cautious), and I don't drive stoned through areas with a lot of children.

And if you're going to transport weed, do it Sunday pre-noon, you're much less likely to get caught then...

[CannabisUser01]

ridindirty i agree, most of the time if you look like you're calm and know what you're doing people don't know you're up to something. and not driving like an asshole won't get you pulled over. from my experiences with getting pulled over and getting caught doing illegal things by the police i find that if you're compliant and not an asshole they will let you off easy. though i do understand not everyone's story goes this way. i once got pulled over doing 70 in a 45 and i was so nice to the cop that he wrote the ticket saying that i was going 51. he said in order for him to be able to write a ticket i would have to be going 6 over the limit. i was graceful because i know that saved me a bunch of money :cool:

[Mississippi Steve]

Test after test has shown that driving while stoned creates from little to NO impairment.


Wrong answer.... if your driving stoned, you are *ALREADY* under the influence and impared. Not just in reflexes but in judgement also.

[TheDefiler]

Ya driving stoned or smoking up while your driving is just ASKING for trouble. Keep the smoking to your house or a weed friendly friends house.

[The Kidd]

I grew up in small town where we would daily get pulled over for one mile over the limit (bullshit right) well we figured out if we treat the cop just like they treat you it always went real well. If they were bein real nice so would we but that was rare. If they were bein assholes we wouldnt be very nice either but most of all show them respect and know your rights. And if they try to accuse you of somthing you didnt do tell them (with respect) that there fuckin wrong. I still get pulled over alot but only because of the cars i drive (its gotta be real fast) and nowadays it usually ends up with the cop sittin in the car askin how much they can buy it for(gotta love american muscle cars). Oh yeah the faster you can get out there the better dont ask any questions and dont get upset and cry or yell that only makes it take longer and pisses them off.

[Mississippi Steve]

Do you mean 'impaired'? Because i'm typing this stoned right now and my spell checker's not sounding any alarms, that i'm 'impaired'.

Regardless: whether you're "impared" or not -
YOU'RE WRONG.

Anti marijuana shills have been spinning this lie for years and it's simply not true. Judgment gets BETTER when people are stoned, and is a curiosity often commented on by testers on the subject. Stoned drivers who have smoked a WHOLE JOINT are MORE cautious than other drivers, particularly drivers who have had as little as A SINGLE GLASS OF WINE. "Under certain test conditions, the way alcohol and cannabis combine to affect driving behavior suggests that someone who has taken both may drive less recklessly than a person who is simply drunk". (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2063)


Even with the highest dose of THC, impairment was relatively minor - comparable to that with blood-alcohol concentrations of between .03 and .07 % (That means NOT LEGALLY IMPAIRED) and many legal medications. Drivers under the influence of marijuana also tended to decrease their speed and approach other cars more cautiously. While recognizing some limitations of this study, the authors conclude that "THC is not a profoundly impairing drug." (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth12.shtml)

"There was no evidence of any increase in the likelihood of being culpable for automobile crashes amongst those injured drivers in whom cannabinoids were detected. ... Their culpability rates were no higher than those for the drug free group." (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=3961)

Marijuana's effects on driving performance were compared to those of many other drugs. It was concluded that THC's effects after doses up to 300 mcg / kg never exceed alcohol's at BAC's of 0.08 g %; (THAT MEANS NOT LEGALLY IMPAIRED)and were in no way unusual compared to many medicinal drugs'. (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving4.shtml)

The results to date of crash culpability studies have failed to demonstrate that drivers with cannabinoids in the blood are significantly more likely than drug-free drivers to be culpable in road crashes. â?¦ In cases in which THC was the only drug present were analyzed, the culpability ratio was found to be not significantly different from the no-drug group (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=5450)

So what that means is that your anti-marijuana lobby stance - "It's dangerous, you're going around impaired in skills and judgement" conflicts with those and a dozen other studies that show the EXACT SAME THING. The ONLY people who LIE - and say smoking pot makes you a dangerous driver are the anti-marijuana lobby. Nobody - but nobody- HAS EVER found marijuana an impairment of statistical significance except the anti marijuana lobby, exclusively. Period.

So you can relax with the ''you're gonna kill a little girl'' scare tactic routine, because those of us who know better - KNOW better. And, have the worldwide experts in transportation, and drug testing to back it up.

If you're going to come onto an international Cannabis forum and start ''telling people about it'', at least tell the truth.

Not Harry Anslinger, and the D.E.A's and the Drug Czar's 'version' of ''the truth.' What you are telling, is the anti-marijuana lobby's version of "the truth".

And we've already seen their ''version''. And it's flat out NOT - the truth.

The kind of lies you're telling is what gets those of us who actually DO know the facts about pot - DO put in the hours and years of research to find out - are qualified to talk about marijuana - complete with our college educations, and well balanced, RESPONSIBLE lives - put into JAIL. By people ''promoting responsibility".

By people like you. Spare us your brand of ''responsible usage'' till you know what it is you're talking about.

Come to the marijuana community and lobby for "us'' when you know what you're talking about. We've already had all the ''help'' we need from the ''OMG YOU'RE GONNA KILL SOMEBODY ! !" "REEFER MADNESS'' coalition.

People like you who want to ''promote being responsible'' are the kind of people who are ''responsible'' all right -for MILLIONS over the last half century and more - going to JAIL... because YOU want to be an EXPERT about something you know NOTHING about; and don't PLAN to learn about because ''you're busy''.

Being an ''expert''.

RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE leave the ''Responsible advice'' to the people qualified to talk about it.

If those who were all about ''being RESPONSIBLE" would have let the RESPONSIBLE people SPEAK, we wouldn't all be in this Horror story DEBACLE of FAKE CRIME, made up by FAKE EXPERTS anyway.


OK, let me ask you some questions.... How many years have you been toking??
I have probably been toking longer than you have been on this earth (30+ years)
You can spout all of the studies you want that say that your not impaired when your stoned... please show me *ANY* that have been proven by a recognized medical community such as the AMA that your motor skills and mental processes are NOT impaired, and I will believe it.

You appear to be an expert on the subject, now prove it.

FWIW, I do expect to see weed legalized *someday*, and I also expect to see it with the same laws, rules, and regulations as alcohol. To do otherwise is just plain foolish. Its not anti-marijuana, its just plain common sense.

[DirtyDarin]

I have been pulled over with weed over three times. One time on my way home from a metalica concert at about 12:00am. The cops were at corner of my block busting a house, I was driveing by when they asked me to stop. They searched my car and found a oz. Another time i got caught steeling cars in LAX airport parking lot. I had about a quarter oz. And yet another time i was on my way home from just picking up a lb. They called two other cars and showed off my weed. And another time i was high on coke and got pulled over. I only had about a gram.
Every time the cops were cool. I never run or lie to them i always let them search my car and treat them with respect. They have always given my smoke back to me and told me to go home.
I do belive that police profile people even after they have pulled them over. I am a white guy with glass i look like a computer geek. No one ever thinks i smoke pot so the cops are cool with me. I have friends with long hair and lots of tats they never get away with anything.

[caspr420]

My stupid bro just got a ticket for having a nick in his ash tray. Apparently they played some word game and asked "do you have any weed on you" and "can we search your car" in the same sentence and he said yes (I don't see why his stupid ass told them he had weed anyway) so they searched his car and busted him for possession and transporting of marijuana.

Is that legal? Isn't there some minimum limit (something above .25 grams?) to get busted for transporting or something?

[lazy smoker7]

I drive pretty good while high also. I do it just about every day. I never have gotten into an accident and I driven and smoking while on suuny,rainy,dark.busy,rush hours times and never a dent! although I was sober one time and i smahed the back oh my car :S but never happeend high. I wouldent reccomend every one smokes and drives but for me I feal it actually helps for stuff to deal with the frustration of traffic

[lazy smoker7]

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[KingOfMyWorld]

I've never liked carrying anything in the car, especially considering a lot of places auto book you for just para. I know in NC when I was living there it was required that if you had a pipe, bong, papers, etc...that you had to also be carrying a can of tobacco. So if there are other laws like that, what's to stop you from rigging the canister of tobacco to have a bottom third of it blocked off and usable for your stuff while having actual tobacco on top? I think it could work. But I'm not sure of the GA laws regarding paraphernalia.

Also, ship yourself something in a box and then carry it in the car after it arrives back to you, then carry the box in your car with your stuff SEALED inside it. If you get stopped, they can't open the box without federal authorities approval and warrants because the mail is a Federal Offense. Most city and county cops aren't going to call in the FBI because you smell like marijuana, so I would feel relatively safe in carrying anything this way.

But the number 1 safety rule, like others have said, is when transporting your hobby is when you're breaking one law, don't break another.

[Mick420]

This is kinda funny.I have been driving for a long time, far before I got a license.
I used to think you only needed one when you got pulled over.
I have only been pulled over once for driving like an idiot, my fault~I have been kinda a pot head since I was 13 and now im fixing to turn 25 the 19th of this month,that sucks lol.
Anyway I used to drive about 40 miles to a friends house everyday and drive the same distance home.I drove down a highway that is known for people carryin stuff.99.9% of the time I was either stoned on my way there or on my way back, most of the time both.
Where im from people on the road are about as smart as chewing on a grenade without a pin, I avoided so many collisions and stuff laying in the road(mostly tires) and the reason I was able to do this, is because im already very cautious when I drive but when I drive stoned I seem to be always ready and waiting for something to challenge me on the road.
I drive still to this day stoned all the time, it's better than driving tired.
My reaction time is better or the exact same when im stoned.I also have a kicker to this though,my 3 buddies and I spent alot of time "playing" on the roads.So we have some experiance.
LOL, I live in the country and you all know that there is not much around but gravel roads and deserted streets that are usually very very dead!
Sometimes we get stoned and go about 15 miles lol to get gas,just to drive around and handbrake it.
I have a new friend here that my girlfriend is ken to,I am trying to help him on his driving.
HE NEEDS IT! I will see if I can post the video!

[GrinS]

lol smashed

[Mississippi Steve]

Cannib!s,
Yes I served in the CG for 22 years, and I EARNED every penny of my pension by putting my life at risk to save others, and no that doesn't mean that I agree with the laws. Yes I took part in 2 busts on the west coast....the only reason they got busted is because they were stoopid. While were are on the subject of what I did or didn't do while I was in the service, I personally saved 6 lives, and rescued hundreds of others and saved untold millions of dollars in property, I was also a pollution investigator in New Orleans riding herd on big oil and chemical companies to clean up their messes, and keep them from making more, I have also been on ice breakers when we went to the Arctic and Antacrtic for scientific expidition support, and then there were all of the fisheries busts for fisher/processors in US waters (200 mile limit). If your going to try to give me a hard time because I had to do my job, and had a hand in 2 drug busts, then you need to get the rest of the story.


I *DON'T* agree with driving while under the influence...PERIOD. What you do in the privacy of your own home is your own business, but what you do in public is another story.

You can spout off all you want, but that doesn't change the simple facts that driving while toking and/or driving while stoned, YOU ARE STILL DRIVING WHILE IMPAIRED!!!!

Every time you or anybody else drives while impaired, your not only putting yourself at risk, but also everybody else around you.

Alcohol is legal, do you want all the laws lifted so everybody can drink and drive with impunity??

You want weed legalized.... what laws, regulations and restrictions would *YOU* have on it?? At what age do you figure people should be able to drive stoned?? Do you really want to be on the road with a bunch of other folks that are driving while stoned?? At what age do you figure people shoule be able to walk in a store and buy a pack of weed?? Sure you can grow for personal use, but is it going to worth it when it might only cost $20 for a pack of joints, and $19.50 of that is taxes? (FWIW without the taxes, a quard of Jack Daniels is only $2.50)


When your 50+ years old, and have a little more of lifes experiences under your belt, then come talk to me.

Buy the way child, are you just here to try to stir up sh*t?? I am assuming that you are a child because you have not said *ANYTHING* about -your- age, what you do for a living, or any of -your- lifes experiences. Care to enlighten me??

[ntcrawler]

Cannab!s,

I've driven with new smokers and older smokers alike and have had some close calls. If you ever want marijuana to become illegal why not just accept that you will not being able to drive stoned legally? I don't care if you smoke and drive or not but you only hinder "your cause" by getting high and driving. Driving needs attention and SOMETIMES when stoned SOME people's attention can get drawn to other stuff pretty easily. Friends, and music as examples. I don't like people talking on cell phones and driving for the same reason.

Now I know YOUR like superman when your stoned but not every one gets those powers. Your examples even call it being "Impaired"!

"A single glass of wine will impair your driving more than smoking a joint. And under certain test conditions, the complex way alcohol and cannabis combine to affect driving behavior suggests that someone who has taken both may drive less recklessly than a person who is simply drunk."

If you just accept reasonable and safe limits for legal marijuana smoking it maybe other people will also. Your hurting the cause for the decriminalization of marijuana not Mississippi.

[AZ.HI.AZ.I.AM.]

Lazysmokin420 Sick video! That will play a role in the future for me if i run into Johnny Law! I love this site and everyone here.:jointsmile:

[Rapidfire187]

Driving while high is extremely easy...it's common knowledge that you can function regularly on marijuana. I suppose if I smoked a half oz and tried to drive, I'd be pretty well fucked...but that would be ridiculous.

Comparing marijuana to alcohol in terms of how it effects your driving performance is a HORRIBLE analogy.

Let me ask you this. When you're high in a place where you could be caught and face some consequences (ie. work, on the road, in public, at your parents house) aren't you paranoid? It's a common side-effect of marijuana. When you're driving stoned, you're paranoid. You're more alert. You're looking out for cops, people, cars, speed limit signs, ANYTHING that will get you in trouble.

Now I'm not saying that marijuana usage makes anybody a better driver, and I do believe that some people probably shouldn't drive high, but that's not the case in ALL people. In my case, I drive perfectly fine when I'm stoned. No trouble what so ever. I drive right at the speed limit, I take crazy ass routes through neighborhoods and don't get lost, hell...there's no problem at all.

On the original topic though. This video shows some great examples of how to deal with cops... YouTube - BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA)

[Ravenala]

anyone who insists pot won't affect motor coordination and judgement is like the tobacco pipe smoker who claims they won't get any cancer from it.

don't carry in your car or drive while high. despite what you think your reflexes and reasoning are slower and you can be as bad as a drunk driver depending on how much or what you smoked. i've had shit barely touch me but I've had the pleasure of some joints that were like a full blown PCP trip and I still thought I was functional. right before I pissed all over myself trying to take a leak.

and once you do get in an accident you'll fuck it up for the rest of us. now I don't think hitting a joint once or twice and taking a drive is as bad as even 2 beers. but people who are drunk/stoned *think* they are more functional than they are.

don't carry in your car - it isn't worth it. buy it - smoke it, grow it at home and chances are you'll never get caught for any of it.

call me unhip or whatever but i once left people in the middle of a city for bringing shit in my car to a concert. I told them that it is cool to do whatever once we get there, or long before we leave, but not to bring even a leaf in my car as crossing state lines with any substantial amount would have been serious trouble. they didn't respect that so I left their asses there.

your license isn't worth it. and your friend's sure isn't.

[Ravenala]

Psycnological paranoia does not equate to increased motor skills or heightened awareness. Paranoia is a delusional state in which your mind is tricked into perceiving threat that is not there. You don't become Spider-man with a Spider-sense. You are closer to The Joker.

[Mississippi Steve]

Anyone who insists it does without providing some studies and sources to prove it to the thousands who drive perfectly fine every day is just talking - in this case talking from a 2 day old account with 12 posts in one day - several of which want them to MEET YOU IN PERSON (http://boards.cannabis.com/new-jersey-nj/134432-seeing-who-what-around.html)



"Marijuana is like PCP. You think you're fine yet piss on yourself. Being stoned is as bad as being drunk".

We understand who we're hearing from at this point. We also understand you decided to either start talking before reading the thread: which means you'll say things you don't check up on - or that even in the face of authoritive studies on 3 continents you think you know it all, and can't be bothered with the truth about pot. In either case i think we understand.



Except for the fact that hundreds of thousands around the world drive baked every single day, and the studies - just a couple of which are cited in this very thread; proving beyond any doubt what you say is complete bunk. Oh- and the fact that nearly every gram of pot you ever smoked was gotten to you by someone who risked driving with it on them; no gratitude for that, i guess.



every year millions of people around the world are unjustly busted: the large majority of whom are NOT in a car: which means we'll have to keep waiting to see if even ONE WORD of truth ever comes out of your mouth on this subject.
So far: it's not looking good for your credentials concerning marijuana.





That could be why you've had to log on to a marijuana site, offering to DRIVE to find a hook up. You can't get weed any longer from people who used to trust you. (http://boards.cannabis.com/1654639-post1.html)



We already understand how you feel about anybody else's concerns. Thanks for the heads-up.



Until you're able to accurately differentiate between the enhanced cautionary response of smoking pot and actual paranoia: AND come up with some authoritive literature to justify your ''Marijuana is like PCP and alcohol" you are the one who sounds like some Joker.

If ignorance is bliss, you must be euphoric. You can believe what you want... but please do me a favor... stay off the roads in south Mississippi when your stoned...there are enough ignorant assholes on the road here already.

FWIW, I know what weed does to me, and I don't want to be on the road with *me* when I am stoned, which is why when I toke, I only do it in the privacy of my own home *PERIOD*.

The only paranoia I have when I am driving is that I will run across some idiot that is driving either stoned or drunk or both.....that scares the hell out of me.

[Ravenala]

Anyone who insists it does without providing some studies and sources to prove it to the thousands who drive perfectly fine every day is just talking - in this case talking from a 2 day old account with 12 posts in one day - several of which want them to MEET YOU IN PERSON (http://boards.cannabis.com/new-jersey-nj/134432-seeing-who-what-around.html)

*shrug* I'm new to the board. Someone with such authority as yourself finds it easy to target and discredit me. Sure you aren't a politician or a cop? That is their common tactic.

If my comments bothered you that much, you clearly have too much time on your hands.




We understand who we're hearing from at this point. We also understand you decided to either start talking before reading the thread: which means you'll say things you don't check up on - or that even in the face of authoritive studies on 3 continents you think you know it all, and can't be bothered with the truth about pot. In either case i think we understand.


Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. Use some critical thinking and observational skills and it'll pay off. If you're wrecked, you can't drive that well. Even if you think you can. And who is this "we" you keep talking about, you and your imaginary friends? Because I'll bet you don't have too many real ones.




Oh- and the fact that nearly every gram of pot you ever smoked was gotten to you by someone who risked driving with it on them; no gratitude for that, i guess.



and how do you know how I've gotten my pot? or when I've gotten it? Or who I am grateful to or not? Perhaps public transport gets me around to the pick up point? Or a taxi? or maybe I have in the past known growers and have WALKED to their locales? Or perhaps most of it was actually purchased when I lived abroad in Europe. In some places where the laws aren't so strict.




every year millions of people around the world are unjustly busted: the large majority of whom are NOT in a car: which means we'll have to keep waiting to see if even ONE WORD of truth ever comes out of your mouth on this subject.
So far: it's not looking good for your credentials concerning marijuana.

So where is your statistical evidence that A) the folks were unjustly busted and B) they weren't busted in their cars?

And you truly think I care about your analysis of my credentials? Much less even trying to make sense out of your babble in that previous paragraph? Unless you're extremely immature I'll put money on it I was toking while the only thing in your mouth was your mom's nipple.






That could be why you've had to log on to a marijuana site, offering to DRIVE to find a hook up. You can't get weed any longer from people who used to trust you. (http://boards.cannabis.com/1654639-post1.html)



Well FYI that incident I described was 20 years ago. And you're assuming I'll take risks I recommend against here? Do you think I'd be dumb enough to hook up then drive away after smoking? Or even let the trail lead away from my pick up point? You must be an amateur at this game.

You make a lot of ASSumptions. Especially for someone who can only cite statistics and research. You obviously know nothing about real life. You clearly also have issues with your ego or penis size or something. Or perhaps are one of those few who have smoked so much dope its made you into a dumb-ass. I'd suggest you do something about that before your own self-assuredness leads to over-confidence.




Until you're able to accurately differentiate between the enhanced cautionary response of smoking pot and actual paranoia: AND come up with some authoritive literature to justify your ''Marijuana is like PCP and alcohol" you are the one who sounds like some Joker.



*yawn*

Pot makes you more cautious instead of inciting a psychoactively induced paranoia? Yeah, and pipe tobacco won't give you cancer. Certain hybrid Indica-Sativa strains (such as various Hazes) *don't* induce PCP-like responses? And I've got a piece of Britney's hair here to sell you.

Stick to ditch-weed, kid. You're a fool.

[birdgirl73]

Moderating

Easy on the name-calling and insults, there, please, Ravenala. I'm completely sympathetic with your desire to issue them. But if we're ever going to get anywhere as cannabis advocates, it's important to try not to lower yourself to that level, no matter how effectively someone incites in you the desire to do otherwise.

Cannab!s, I get the feeling you somehow think you're doing a great public service here. But youâ??re like a broken record. A really long-playing one. And somehow you still haven't done anything but post and link your own version of propaganda rather than considering actual real life, first hand-experience or observations from others. It seems to be a whole lot easier to keep shouting angrily about zero tolerance and federal law enforcement than to actually read and consider what others might be saying.

You call yourself a pro-cannabis activist, Cannab!s. But I frankly think youâ??ve done far more here to harm that cause than to advance it. Youâ??re like a religious proselytizer who wants to win devotees to Christianity and ends up alienating far more souls than you win over because you become maniacal in your delivery. If your participation in this thread continues, I request that you work harder at brevity than you do at copied, pasted, angst-ridden verbosity sprinkled with capital letters and emphatic underlining. While you're at it, look up the Italiano for "understand?" It's "capisce," not â??kapish.â?�

Your response here needs to be â??Capisco.â?�

[Kn1vez]

1. If you get pulled over, you DO NOT have to answer ANY questions.
At a minimum, do what you need to do to identify yourself and prove that you didn't steal the car and you have FULFILLED everything that is "expected" of you, provided you do not commit any crimes when the cops have stopped you.

*** A SOMEWHAT IDEALIZED EXAMPLE ***
Them: "Have you been drinking tonight?"
You: "I will not answer any questions."
Them: "Can we search your car?"
You: "No."
Them: "Why not?"
You: "I do not consent to searches. You need a WARRANT to conduct a search."
Them: "Well, we need to search your vehicle."
You: "Hold on, I need to call my attorney. Please give me your name, badge number, and supervisor's name, badge number and an immediate way to contact your supervisor."
***
Who has the power, YOU or THEM? When I got pulled over last, I had one headlight out at night, and it was a Friday. You don't always get pulled over around here for a bad headlight, but Cops have ticket quotas, which are higher on weekends. When I mentioned that I wanted to call my attorney, the cop said "Why are you being like that?" With an almost hurt or annoyed tone of voice. He even said "You don't need an attorney, I know your rights." That is WRONG. Their job is to get you to COMPLY, NOT protect your rights. I ended up signing a ticket form. I probably could have avoided that as well, with this simple statement: "I will not sign anything or answer any questions until I speak to my attorney."

2. Your driving performance depends on YOUR OWN LEVEL of CONCENTRATION. Measuring reaction time is pointless without factoring in decision time. If you are concentrating on going at the speed limit, if something happens, the odds are you will have more time to make a decision, and thus more time to react, this ability is not hampered by herbal intake. Pure logic.

Spread the knowledge...

[Ravenala]

Moderating

Easy on the name-calling and insults, there, please, Ravenala. I'm completely sympathetic with your desire to issue them. But if we're ever going to get anywhere as cannabis advocates, it's important to try not to lower yourself to that level, no matter how effectively someone incites in you the desire to do otherwise.

Cannab!s, I get the feeling you somehow think you're doing a great public service here. But youâ??re like a broken record. A really long-playing one. And somehow you still haven't done anything but post and link your own version of propaganda rather than considering actual real life, first hand-experience or observations from others. It seems to be a whole lot easier to keep shouting angrily about zero tolerance and federal law enforcement than to actually read and consider what others might be saying.

You call yourself a pro-cannabis activist, Cannab!s. But I frankly think youâ??ve done far more here to harm that cause than to advance it. Youâ??re like a religious proselytizer who wants to win devotees to Christianity and ends up alienating far more souls than you win over because you become maniacal in your delivery. If your participation in this thread continues, I request that you work harder at brevity than you do at copied, pasted, angst-ridden verbosity sprinkled with capital letters and emphatic underlining. While you're at it, look up the Italiano for "understand?" It's "capisce," not â??kapish.â?�

Your response here needs to be â??Capisco.â?�


Hey Birdgirl thanks for the heads up and *polite* request to tone it down. Because I'm actually a pretty reasonable guy. ;)

Your commentary hit the nail on the head. I see any advocate of driving while stoned DETRIMENTAL to the cause of legalization.

That is just more stuff to show on Cops for 'the masses' who will point to what an evil marijuana is, and how if we legalize it - there will be all these stoners causing accidents in addition to drunken driving. And every time someone screws up, gets caught, and goes down for possession that is one less socially validated voice saying, "pot smokers can be responsible folks too".

We all know it has to be transported. And despite what people may think I *have* transported small amounts - even through USA customs in the distant past. But I see a lot of people here just pushing foolish and arrogant behavior which will damage the validity of all advocates.

My run-in with both customs officials and DEA agents over something far less serious reassured me that the best thing to do is not risk it any more than you have to. And being high while transporting is like shooting up a flare.

Thanks and thanks for the understanding. :)

[Ravenala]

2. Your driving performance depends on YOUR OWN LEVEL of CONCENTRATION. Measuring reaction time is pointless without factoring in decision time. If you are concentrating on going at the speed limit, if something happens, the odds are you will have more time to make a decision, and thus more time to react, this ability is not hampered by herbal intake. Pure logic.

Spread the knowledge...

Your comments on how to handle yourself in front of an officer are valid. You don't have to prove anything to them and sure don't have to incriminate yourself.

However the last paragraph is flawed logic. Your assumption is that it is 'logical' that herbs do not affect concentration or coordination. WTF is that about?

Just because it is an herb doesn't mean it can't or won't %$@ you up! You ever smoke Blueberry Haze or Isolator Black Hash? Please don't tell me that this stuff does not cause a highly altered state of perception and an inability to concentrate. That only shows you've never been exposed to it.

I've been around *a lot* of smokers and *a lot* of dope. It may hamper your concentration depending on who you are, and what kind of herb. Not to mention other factors such as what you've eaten, not eaten, how tired you are, etc... Not to mention how much you smoke. And just like drinkers, most smokers think they are "OK" long after they are repeating themselves 4 and 5 times, losing thought mid sentence, and unable to get up and move around.

I'm not talking about one puff on a joint. I'm talking about driving while high or stoned.

I am on a pipe and cigar board as well. There are folks there who will INSIST that because you are not inhaling, you won't get cancer. And have 'studies' to prove it. That is just ignorance of both medicinal history and statistics.

Just run a web search on "Marijuana concentration motor skills coordination". don't even use the word impair or damage. The VAST number of medically valid results indicate that it does affect these facilities.

this site is very unbiased, politically speaking:
Howstuffworks "How Marijuana Works" (http://health.howstuffworks.com/marijuana4.htm)

as is:
Marijuana (http://www.coolnurse.com/marijuana.htm)

Don't only believe propoganda that suits your tastes. Just get stoned with friends and throw a ball to the person sitting next to you if you want proof of impairment.

[K20A2]

A good driver *DOESN'T* toke and drive. If you want to stay out of trouble, KEEP THE WEED OUT OF THE VEHICLES!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything you do outside of the privacy of your own home is subject to scruteny.

If you insist on transporting *ANY* weed, lock it in the trunk, and go directly from point A to your home, get it out of the vehicle, and take it inside. Toking while driving is INSANE and a real good way to get yourself and/or an innocent killed or injured.

Think about driving down a street while impared, and a 3 or 4 year old jumps out in front of you from inbetween a couple of parked cars, and you couldn't react in time because you were blazed.... Could you live with the knowledge that you killed a child because you were stoned??

Use your head for something other than a hat rack.

I think the reaction time depends on the person. I smoke while driving regularily and have never run into any issues and I'm always alert. My friends (who dont even smoke) always tell me that my reaction time is always faster than normal and I drive perfectally ok.

[Beefer86]

Always conceal your stash. Lol, that guy is funny.

Mississippi Steve is probably a little more paranoid than us and he has his reasons im sure, but he really is trying to save all you constant car smokers a trip to jail, dont blame him.

Its best not to drive while high, but there are times when there must be marijuana in the car if you want to smoke it later.

During these times you want to keep it on your person and eat it if necessary. Eating a quarter is not hard if especially if youre motivation is not going to the slammer. I would never keep it in the trunk or in the gas tank opening, they are not airtight and dogs can smell it extremely easily.

Keep it as low and to the center of the vehicle as possible, preferable in multiple plastic bags and perhaps submerged in a bottle of Thai Fish sauce to thwart dog noses, or something similar.

Its dumb to have pot in the car(more than you can eat anyways)more often than you have to.

Be safe. Dont blaze up and drive, not only can they arrest you on suspicion of DUI or DWI, its also a waste of a high since you cannot totally relax on the road.

[StOnEdMoNk]

ya when i drive high im even more cautious then sober i think i drive better high i follow more laws and dont have a lead foot ide rather smoke at home tho but sometimes i like to go cruise and blaze it up

[Reefer Rogue]

I may get a vehicle one day but i prefer walking and public transport for the moment. I can be as high as i want :stoned:

[psychocat]

I may get a vehicle one day but i prefer walking and public transport for the moment. I can be as high as i want :stoned:

The smart way!


Stoned is impaired and you take the responsibility for yourself but the question is what if someone died because of the fact that your senses were dulled by any form of drug.
As for being in an accident when changing radio stations or on your mobile (using a mobile while driving is rightly illegal) , the driver could be charged with careless driving since they aren't paying attentiion to driving .
Buy Mitsubishi , they have a solution for changing radio stations, the radio controls are built into the steering wheel.

[Wolfwood]

A good driver *DOESN'T* toke and drive. If you want to stay out of trouble, KEEP THE WEED OUT OF THE VEHICLES!!!!!!!!!!!

Anything you do outside of the privacy of your own home is subject to scruteny.

If you insist on transporting *ANY* weed, lock it in the trunk, and go directly from point A to your home, get it out of the vehicle, and take it inside. Toking while driving is INSANE and a real good way to get yourself and/or an innocent killed or injured.

Think about driving down a street while impared, and a 3 or 4 year old jumps out in front of you from inbetween a couple of parked cars, and you couldn't react in time because you were blazed.... Could you live with the knowledge that you killed a child because you were stoned??

Use your head for something other than a hat rack.

I don't care what people say about Marijuana and driving under the influence of it but I can drive perfectly fine high. The only time it's a problem is when someone is with me and I have a tendency to joke around too much and not pay attention to driving. But as far as actually driving, I can drive extremely well. Just last night, I had smoked 8 bowls in my truck (hotbox) with various people across the night. I was on my way home, it was raining, and I was going about 40 mph down this road. I saw a huge like beaver, I guess it was a beaver. The thing was huge, one of the biggest animals I've ever seen on a road besides a deer. I saw him when I was going 40 and he was maybe 12 feet in front of me, I slammed on breaks and stopped about a foot before hitting him and he scurried off the road. That goes to prove that my reaction time is the same high and sober, if worse, it's so small it doesn't matter.

[psychocat]

I saw him when I was going 40 and he was maybe 12 feet in front of me, I slammed on breaks and stopped about a foot before hitting him and he scurried off the road. That goes to prove that my reaction time is the same high and sober, if worse, it's so small it doesn't matter.

IMPOSSIBLE !

x² ÷ 20 + x = Overall stopping distance in feet.

x = speed

For example: If you are travelling at 30 mph

30² ÷ 20 + 30 =

(30 x 30) ÷ 20 + 30 =

900 ÷ 20 + 30 = 75 ft.

[Infamous]

This is a work of complete and utter fiction. None of this ever happened.

Let me clear this up... first things first I don't drive. I'm 18 and I have no interest in driving at the moment, I prefer to get buses and trains. But from the ages of 15 - 17 I worked for a guy who would sell anything from 4 to 15 ounces of bud a night. Every single day he would get calls and write them down, then at 5:30 we would start work and finish at 12:30. He couldnt drive because he was banned so he got another guy to drive whilst he took the calls and I would be given the stuff to go into houses, get the money and bring it back to him. We used to have a load of trouble of the police practically every single day, when you are operating in the center of the second biggest city in the country every single day in some of the shadiest hotspots you get noticed a LOT. Anyway this one time we went to do a llate drop in a supermarket car park, I got out the car and went into the other guys ride, sorted him out and went back to my boss. He shouted out the window for me to get in so ran and hopped in and he said that the old bill had just slowly gone past the entrance to the supermarket and saw me moving between the cars. Our driver sped out, I looked right and no joke the cop car was speeding like fuck, it swung round the mini-island and came back round towards us with blues and twos blaring. We started reaching speeds of about 70 or 80 on these tight little roads whilst getting 8 ounces of stuff into a white carrier bag. When it was all in I told the driver to stop the moment he pulled round a corner, he did so and I got out the car with the bag and ran back round the corner just as the police were going past. I heard a door slam behind me and I knew that they'd let one out to chase me so I just kept running and running. I hopped over a garden fence, ran round to a side gate, opened that, crossed the road and hopped over their fence, threw the bag containing the shit on the garage roof and then went garden hopping. About a minute and a half later I was grabbed hiding behind some bins and taken into custody. They were asking me all sorts of questions like who was I travelling with, what happened to the bag I was carrying, why did I run etc but I didnt say a word. It turns out that they never caught up with my boss and because I didnt do anything wrong they had to let me go (after spending a night in the cells for resisting arrest). That night I thought about what would have happened if I had been caught.... so I rang my boss and quit. The next day I got the bus up to where we got chased, climbed onto the roof and got the bag. Needless to say I kept that ;) But about a year ago I saw my boss on the news after an undercover policeman tried to buy weed off him, he realised, shut the door on his hand and dragged him up the road for a quarter of a mile. He got 3 years for that. Guess some people just dont know when to stop......

[DLEEZN]

i got pulled over twice once for racing and one for being a car past curfew. both times i confessed the bud was mine, and both times the officers let me walk away with the herb and the bong. just be honest. the officer last night was givng me some insight telling me just always be honest they don't really care about a little pot. but once you start lying and denying searches it pisses them off and they want to take the law to the fullest extent.

PEACE

[zuchinno]

What about dogs?
In Washington, you have to take a ferry to get anywhere, and there are cops taking dogs through the whole ferry line supposedly sniffing for bombs.
Has anyone had their car sniffed (from the outside) and not been caught?

[psychocat]

They train sniffers for particular items, drug dogs are not trained for explosives and visa versa.

[LIP]

I've been driving stoned since i started driving. I've never had an accident, or come even close to having an accident. I hold an advanced driving licence, so im more than safe and capable while stoned.

I drive stoned everyday. I do tend to speed, on the safes streches [i know what people say, speeding is never safe] but the fact is if you know how to control a car and know where it's safe and where it's not, it IS safe. You obviously have to also take into concideration the car, the weather and density of traffic.

I have weed in my van everyday, for work. I've never been pulled over, or searched in the van. When i have been caught with weed, i've had it confiscated and a warning [not a caution, i wasnt arrested and then dearrested.] or they just left it and said "not in public."

I dont have a problem with the police, they dont make the pathetic laws. Although, in many other areas i do have a problem with them, they're lazy and never doing their jobs properly. Their corrupt, and dont know HOW to use disgression.

I'm smoking weed, not stabbing people. The cops dont bother me coz i dont bother them. I hurt no one. I cause no harm. The public might get a whiff of my ganja every now and again, but they dont mind - most of them smoke it anyway.

And my stoned driving, is safe driving. Hence why i've never crashed. I've also never had any damage done while parked, or had a breakdown in any of my cars [coz i fixed them myself haha] and never damaged anyone elses property. My insurance is low as fuck, and im a happy man ahaha.

I know not everyone agree's with stoned driving, but think of it like this - would you rather i was stoned, or drunk? There's your answer.

By the way, just so you know, im not talking about being mashed. I mean stoned as in mellow, relaxed comming down if you like. If im too fucked i just wait before i leave. But i normally do a good job with the timing of the last joint i smoke so im mellow when i need to leave.

[psychocat]

Why make a comparison between two wrongs?
Asking if I would prefer you behind the wheel stoned or drunk is ridiculous since the answer is a firm NEITHER!

[LIP]

Why make a comparison between two wrongs?
Asking if I would prefer you behind the wheel stoned or drunk is ridiculous since the answer is a firm NEITHER!

Neither wasnt an option.

And anyway, peoples opinions arnt going to change mine. I'll drive stoned if i want to, and who's going to stop me?

[psychocat]

How extremely mature an attitude , not selfish at all. :D

[LIP]

Well no, i dont think it is. Almost EVERY driver has had an accident at some point in their life - not me though. Like i said, i've never even come close, and i took both my tests stoned. I've been driving stoned since i started. I already know im a good driver - but im also a good stoned driver.

I know you wouldnt rather i was drunk, so whats the problem?

I dont drive around with the mentality that it'll never happen to me, because people who do are the statistics. But, i have plenty of driving experience, an advanced driving licence, and clean driving licence and i've never even been pulled over.

As far as im concerned, me, driving stoned is just as good, if not better than other people driving sober.

And to be honest, i couldnt give a toss if it's selfish - look out for #1, and I'm #1.

[Mythologic]

A good buddy of mine got busted last week. He was driving drunk/stoned and decided to pull over at a public library to rest up, and he woke up to a cop standing outside his window. The cop asked him to get out of the car and asked him how much alcohol he had consumed that night. He is 18 and thus illegally drunk. He had a gram of really dank bud in his pocket, and the cop patted him down and asked him if he had any drugs on him. He said no, and the cop reached into his pocket and pulled out the weed. "this would explain the other thing i smelled..." he said. The cops also found mushrooms in chocolate bars, but the dumb pigs thought it was weed! But the kicker of the story is my buddy usually keeps all his contraband in a sealed camoflaged (it's like Ajax Bleach or something, they are super realistic. they twist off at the bottom and thats where you put your stuff. we get them at a records/headshop) can. Why the weed/shrooms weren't in the can i don't know, but it was a combination of really bad decisions and really bad luck that busted him. But anyways he kept the can in the trunk, and they didn't find it.

i really like that 1law at a time rule. that seems smart.

[Beefer86]

IMPOSSIBLE !

x² ÷ 20 + x = Overall stopping distance in feet.

x = speed

For example: If you are travelling at 30 mph

30² ÷ 20 + 30 =

(30 x 30) ÷ 20 + 30 =

900 ÷ 20 + 30 = 75 ft.

What's your coefficient of friction? What is the surface area of the tires that make contact with the road surface? What kind of brakes?

[psychocat]

What's your coefficient of friction? What is the surface area of the tires that make contact with the road surface? What kind of brakes?

The figures quoted are an average therefore if you took all the data from all makes of cars then you would be able to work out an average.
Now take an F1 car, there are thousands of points of data that you can take from an F1 car like
Downforce which is adjustable
Aerodynamics which is also fully adjustable
Temperature of tyres
Temperature of brakes

BUT when you break it all down all of the above have one thing in common and that's that they all have an average.

a. An intermediate level or degree: near the average in size.
b. The usual or ordinary kind or quality: Although the wines vary, the average is quite good.
3. Sports The ratio of a team's or player's successful performances such as wins, hits, or goals, divided by total opportunities for successful performance, such as games, times at bat, or shots: finished the season with a .500 average; a batting average of .274.

Satisfactory expanation ?

Regardles of your attempt to muddy the waters it is IMPOSSIBLE for a vehicle travelling on regular roads using even the best of statistics to stop from 40 mph within 12 feet.
Basic physics has shown this in tests carried out by people like these RoSPA : Road Safety (http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/index.htm)

[Beefer86]

You werent clear; You talk to me condescendingly like I dont know what an average is. I was asking you to explain your reasoning, not attacking you personally. If you treat complete strangers(especially those whose major is physics) with such contempt, I wonder about your families and loved ones.

Oh well, thats what I get for asking questions again.

[Aristotle]

I've driven high MANY more times than I've driven sober. I've gotten in one accident and been pulled over three times. Got in the accident and received my only speeding ticket when completely sober.

Only reason I was pulled over the other two times, both while having a half O in my console and after smoking a couple bowls, was because when they ran my plates I came up as some 42 year old black guy wanted for aggravated robbery. It was a short stop and they apologized for the inconvenience. I'm also the best driver out of all of my friends and everyone I know(most parents included).

I agree with Mississippi on theory, that yes, you are impaired. But it's not nearly as impairing as alcohol/putting on makeup/loud stereo playing/adhd/being asian/lots of friends in the car, things you see on the roads nearly every day.

[iluv2smoke]

First rule of thumb is to not give them a reason to stop you.

If you do get stopped I wouldn't consent to a search. If you say no and that gives them reason to think you're hiding something, then a good lawyer could get you off. Exercising your constitutional rights shouldn't create probable cause to search the vehicle.

-- iluv2smoke :rastasmoke:

[iluv2smoke]

I agree with Mississippi on theory, that yes, you are impaired. But it's not nearly as impairing as alcohol...being asian.

LMFAO!!! Put an asian in the classroom they'll fuck up the curve, put an asian in the car they'll hit the curve.

[Dream of the iris]

iluv2smoke, your right in the sense that it is our constitutional right and that it does not lead to probable cause, however, it does lead to reasonable suspicion which ultimately would lead to a K-9 unit. And the funny thing about those dogs is that there is no way of hiding the smell from them. Even if the dogs don't smell it which has a tendency to happen they specially train a dog to sniff out drugs as if they were training it to seek after its toy. So what officers will usually do is say something like "go get it boy" to make them believe their "toy" is in there which would stir them up regardless of the smell...that right there leads to probable cause and because you gave them such a hard time they will more than likely search your car extremely thoroughly. The best way around something like this is to find a really really good hiding spot, like inside the dashboard, or a speaker. Something that takes a lot of thought into. Generally hiding it in really low or high areas makes it harder for dogs to sniff out. Place it in there before you drive that way if you get pulled over just act as cool as possible, DON'T SMOKE A CIGARETTE, or agitate your legs or anything like that. They read body language like that. And if it gets down to the point where they ask if they can search your car its waay better to consent because more than likely they will just do a minor search and move on. Sounds a lot better than getting the K-9 unit out there and giving it a really good search. That constitutional right bullshit would never hold up in court....such a sad aspect in this country.