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palerider7777
09-04-2007, 06:57 PM
my friend just bought a ps3 a week ago and he got online in graw2 and ever room was laggy as hell u could'nt even walk he put up with this lame ass system for a week so he got tired of it and traded it in on a trusty 33% fail rate xbox360 but hey online works like a charm i'll take that trade off anyday lol anyways now he's happy and can finely play an online game with no problems cheers:thumbsup:

slipknotpsycho
09-04-2007, 09:35 PM
my friend just bought a ps3 a week ago and he got online in graw2 and ever room was laggy as hell u could'nt even walk he put up with this lame ass system for a week so he got tired of it and traded it in on a trusty 33% fail rate xbox360 but hey online works like a charm i'll take that trade off anyday lol anyways now he's happy and can finely play an online game with no problems cheers:thumbsup:

it was either his connection, or GRAW it's self.... R6V is said to lag too...

either way has nothing to do with the PS3

Shooter General - PlayStation.com Forums (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board?board.id=shooter)

seems pretty much no one really has much of aproblem with it, it was his connection.

king of the world
09-04-2007, 10:26 PM
yea, you shouldn't shoot down a whole network, just because your friend's connection was lagging. there are lots of factors that can effect the network:the game your playing, how good your connection is, how good the other peoples connection is, how busy the server is. i played lots of games at my friends house who has a ps3 and online is smooth most of the time.

mfqr
09-04-2007, 11:08 PM
When it comes to the Internet, you've got to understand that you need to deal with lag at times. Anyone who knows a lot about computers like I do knows that, and will agree that there are many times where it's server-side, which you can do nothing about... and that most of the time it's temporary. Or it could be just you, and you have a bad connection that can't push those packets out or receive them as fast as it would be recommended. With PC games, there are even more factors, such as if your system sucks or not. With a PS3, however, all games should run fine on it, as it goes for hardware.

palerider7777
09-05-2007, 02:54 AM
it was either his connection, or GRAW it's self.... R6V is said to lag too...

either way has nothing to do with the PS3

Shooter General - PlayStation.com Forums (http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board?board.id=shooter)

seems pretty much no one really has much of aproblem with it, it was his connection.

ur right not with the ps3 but ps3's online service it sucks and it was'nt the graw2 cd as it played perfect offline and it was'nt his connection as i hooked up my xbox360 and it played just fine as he has comcast upgraded to 8mg instead of the reg 6mg

palerider7777
09-05-2007, 02:57 AM
When it comes to the Internet, you've got to understand that you need to deal with lag at times. Anyone who knows a lot about computers like I do knows that, and will agree that there are many times where it's server-side, which you can do nothing about... and that most of the time it's temporary. Or it could be just you, and you have a bad connection that can't push those packets out or receive them as fast as it would be recommended. With PC games, there are even more factors, such as if your system sucks or not. With a PS3, however, all games should run fine on it, as it goes for hardware.

thats true but he tried it for a week and every day everytime same thing happened but when i hooked up my 360 it worked fine so the factors u pointed out would'nt apply as my 360 ran fine and he called the ebgames he bought it from and they said alot of people have the same problems with the ps3's online service

HerbalConfusion
09-05-2007, 03:09 AM
Yo your from ireland atleast thats your flag. If GRAW 2 or whatever game it is doesnt have a server in ireland you talking about your connection going to another country. That obviously causes delay. The x-box is done completely differently. Sony games each game runs its game servers but X-Box hosts all of its games servers to my knowledge.


I have a feeling ur not from ireland since u have ebgames and comcast.

slipknotpsycho
09-05-2007, 04:23 AM
thats true but he tried it for a week and every day everytime same thing happened but when i hooked up my 360 it worked fine so the factors u pointed out would'nt apply as my 360 ran fine and he called the ebgames he bought it from and they said alot of people have the same problems with the ps3's online service

so wait a second, your friend was trying to get GRAW2 to play with no lag for a week straight?

Reefer Rogue
09-05-2007, 09:15 AM
Eww i hated GRAW 2. Terrible imo. I played it once and returned that game. I'm glad your friend is happy with 360 online because it owns, there's usually never lag. I dunno about the ps3..

bluntblaze
09-05-2007, 09:18 AM
my friend just bought a ps3 a week ago and he got online in graw2 and ever room was laggy as hell u could'nt even walk he put up with this lame ass system for a week so he got tired of it and traded it in on a trusty 33% fail rate xbox360 but hey online works like a charm i'll take that trade off anyday lol anyways now he's happy and can finely play an online game with no problems cheers:thumbsup:

speak for yourself,.. ive had my ps3 online for a good few months and i dont think ive had one problem.

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 01:51 AM
Eww i hated GRAW 2. Terrible imo. I played it once and returned that game. I'm glad your friend is happy with 360 online because it owns, there's usually never lag. I dunno about the ps3..

yea me either my game is vegas

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 01:51 AM
speak for yourself,.. ive had my ps3 online for a good few months and i dont think ive had one problem.

i am speaking not for myself but my friend

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 01:52 AM
so wait a second, your friend was trying to get GRAW2 to play with no lag for a week straight?

well alil over a week yea

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 01:53 AM
Yo your from ireland atleast thats your flag. If GRAW 2 or whatever game it is doesnt have a server in ireland you talking about your connection going to another country. That obviously causes delay. The x-box is done completely differently. Sony games each game runs its game servers but X-Box hosts all of its games servers to my knowledge.


I have a feeling ur not from ireland since u have ebgames and comcast.

yea ireland has comcast u did'nt know...lmao

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 02:31 AM
well alil over a week yea

oh a lil over a week now?

wouldn't that be kinda hard considering the game had JUST came out like 4 days before you posted this? :wtf:

you know after the spat in spirituality i've tried to be farily nice, but it does upset me when you take cheap shots at me (i mean after all i am the only one who ever speaks of the 33% failure rate) and haven't even fully backed it up with actual events...

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 02:09 PM
oh a lil over a week now?

wouldn't that be kinda hard considering the game had JUST came out like 4 days before you posted this? :wtf:

you know after the spat in spirituality i've tried to be farily nice, but it does upset me when you take cheap shots at me (i mean after all i am the only one who ever speaks of the 33% failure rate) and haven't even fully backed it up with actual events...

well really the 33% thing has been said by more than just u.well in responce to what u have said but said by others none the less. and i was stating a general statement so don't go getting ur undies in a wad, and why u bring up another subject that has nothing to do with this one? iv'e already forgot about all that shit.move on...i have.

and yes a lil over a week he said i don't know if it was just graw2 all i know is he said he had the system over a week and that can be backed up, as i do recall posting a time back saying something along the lines of he wanted to sell it to me and at the time i did'nt know why, and i remember u saying well maybe something was wrong with it for him to want to sell it so cheap to me remember ??and that was well over a week ago so well i found out why...because the online part was crap. he had it all that time and could never get it to work. and yes i wanted to work bad for him i trouble shot everything i could think of then i went over with my xbox to see if it was just his cable modem or connection. and my 360 worked perfect so i ruled that out and after all that i told him to call p/s and he did and got someone that could'nt even speak english. so he was like fuck it i'll get a 360 and here we are.. thats all i know

Reefer Rogue
09-06-2007, 04:06 PM
yea me either my game is vegas

That's my fav game which i play almost everyday. My fav leve is casino vault or kill house, i like to use the mp7 or Ak, sometimes mess around with the spaz lol. Amazing game.

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 06:25 PM
That's my fav game which i play almost everyday. My fav leve is casino vault or kill house, i like to use the mp7 or Ak, sometimes mess around with the spaz lol. Amazing game.

damn mirror image of me those are my fav maps i rock the vault hard whats ur gamer tag and when do u get on? are u in a clan ?

imitator
09-06-2007, 08:46 PM
Depending on how he has his internet set up, and how the PS3 was setup, it could very well be his own damn router that is causing the problems. Unless he has a single dedicated line running from the modem straight to the ps3.

Had no problems with GRAW2 at a friends house online, lag time was minimal.

Xbox360 is nice, but it personally doesnt have any games on there that I really like. If I want to play fps games, Ill get a machine meant for it, like a PC. And outside of the FPS's for it, there isnt anything all that sweet for it.

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 08:55 PM
Depending on how he has his internet set up, and how the PS3 was setup, it could very well be his own damn router that is causing the problems. Unless he has a single dedicated line running from the modem straight to the ps3.

Had no problems with GRAW2 at a friends house online, lag time was minimal.

Xbox360 is nice, but it personally doesnt have any games on there that I really like. If I want to play fps games, Ill get a machine meant for it, like a PC. And outside of the FPS's for it, there isnt anything all that sweet for it.

lol no router,and no games u say um ok last time i checked it has 100's of games out for it the ps3 is the one with no games and the games that r coming out for it is already out on the 360 so where u get ur info on that i don't know but show me where ps3 has a bigger selection of games??and if i had to pick from playing say vegas on 360 or pc i think i'd stick with 360...don't get me wrong i play alot on the pc but the pc does'nt have a online set up like xboxlive

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 09:12 PM
ok, show me one other person who has mentioned it (33% failure rate) on this forum.

and if it's the ps3's problem, why has no one had problems with the online? someone has already explained why ps3 may have lagged, while you could plug in your 360 and have no problems.

although i must say i doubt the credibility of this thread entirely, you said he'd been trying a week to get GRAW to work, not PSN. when i proved he couldn't have been trying to get it work for a week all of a sudden you changed your story around a bit to compensate.

as for of forgetting that whole ordeal, hardly...

http://boards.cannabis.com/hobby-lounge/97562-guns-9.html#post1626988

you just mentioned it a few days ago in another completely unrelated thread... this also relates to the statement: "why u bring up another subject that has nothing to do with this one?"

you did the same exact thing, just in a diffrent thread. can't fault me for faults you, yourself share.

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 09:40 PM
ok, show me one other person who has mentioned it (33% failure rate) on this forum.

and if it's the ps3's problem, why has no one had problems with the online? someone has already explained why ps3 may have lagged, while you could plug in your 360 and have no problems.

although i must say i doubt the credibility of this thread entirely, you said he'd been trying a week to get GRAW to work, not PSN. when i proved he couldn't have been trying to get it work for a week all of a sudden you changed your story around a bit to compensate.

as for of forgetting that whole ordeal, hardly...

http://boards.cannabis.com/hobby-lounge/97562-guns-9.html#post1626988

you just mentioned it a few days ago in another completely unrelated thread... this also relates to the statement: "why u bring up another subject that has nothing to do with this one?"

you did the same exact thing, just in a diffrent thread. can't fault me for faults you, yourself share.

what does the gun thread have to do with u u act as if ur the only person iv'e talked to on here i debated with hardcore newb way b4 u came along and graizlovesmary so what i said in the gunz thread had nothing to do with u and as far as this thread i don't care if u believe im making it up i'll give u the # to the ebgames around here and let u ask them for urself how many people have been complaining about the psn i have no reason to lie like ur trying to imply.if u don't like the facts it's not my problem lol hell ur acting like u have stock in the p/s company or something i mean if u want to think that ur ps3 is 1000% perfect then fine im not trying to tell u otherwise im just telling of my friends exp in the matter.

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 09:54 PM
so what i said in the gunz thread had nothing to do with u

i never said it had something to do with me, i said you haven't forgotten about the spat in spirituality (which i was a small part of) and you brought up a completely unrelated subject as i did here...

like i said, you can't fault for me something you have done as well ("and why u bring up another subject that has nothing to do with this one? iv'e already forgot about all that shit.move on...i have.")

i also never said my system is perfect, it's quite the oppisite actually, it's you and others who talk as if your system is pefect, while continually trying to degrade mine (Which of course sparks me to go on the defensive, I.E. the only reason i'm here)

i have even in the past said multiple times they're equal (as of now), but it's pretty much impossible to get the same curtousey from some of the 360 fanboy's here...

Mr. Bubbles
09-06-2007, 10:04 PM
That 33% failure rate is just the highest of retailers estimations. I've seen figures as low as 25%, or even 3%. Slipknot just seems to like and try and bash the 360.

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 10:37 PM
That 33% failure rate is just the highest of retailers estimations. I've seen figures as low as 25%, or even 3%. Slipknot just seems to like and try and bash the 360.

yea he also like to try and twist words around

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 10:47 PM
That 33% failure rate is just the highest of retailers estimations. I've seen figures as low as 25%, or even 3%. Slipknot just seems to like and try and bash the 360.

you say that like no one bashes ps3.... (which would be pretty ironical seeming as that was the entire basis/intention behind this thread...)

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 10:51 PM
i never said it had something to do with me, i said you haven't forgotten about the spat in spirituality (which i was a small part of) and you brought up a completely unrelated subject as i did here...

like i said, you can't fault for me something you have done as well ("and why u bring up another subject that has nothing to do with this one? iv'e already forgot about all that shit.move on...i have.")

i also never said my system is perfect, it's quite the oppisite actually, it's you and others who talk as if your system is pefect, while continually trying to degrade mine (Which of course sparks me to go on the defensive, I.E. the only reason i'm here)

i have even in the past said multiple times they're equal (as of now), but it's pretty much impossible to get the same curtousey from some of the 360 fanboy's here...

well what i said in the gunz thread did have something to do with what was being said in the thread.and as far as me saying my system is perfect i'll call u a lair now as i have never said that if anything iv'e kept saying i'll buy a ps3 when they get more games and when they fix the problems it's having so u need to quit pointing fingers at me saying that iv'e said stuff i did'nt say.thats not bashing, and everytime iv'e stated the truth about what iv'e seen and heard about the ps3 i also say that i love all systems and i will have one 1 day. so no ones picking on u or the system, the only one that i see is biased is u, u have even said that ur a ps3 fanboy so who's the one trying to start shit ...not me. the thing is no matter what i say u go right back to xbox360 has a 33% fail rate as if no one knows this.

lol the funny thing is u don't see people not buying them,if the 360 was such junk why would so many people have them and even when they do break they replace them and they still play them so whats the big deal?? are u a ps3 spokes person or something or do u think that when sumthing is said about the ps3 it's a bad reflection on u or something??lol damn it's not like u made the damn thing. it's like ur emotionally vested in the ps3 or something i don't know it's just a game...

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 10:54 PM
you say that like no one bashes ps3.... (which would be pretty ironical seeming as that was the entire basis/intention behind this thread...)

lmao ur gettin lame, biased lmao i stated the truth of what happened to my friend that loved the ps systems btw and im called biased lol. ur starting to show ur maturity.

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 10:56 PM
well what i said in the gunz thread did have something to do with what was being said in the thread.and as far as me saying my system is perfect i'll call u a lair now as i have never said that if anything iv'e kept saying i'll buy a ps3 when they get more games and when they fix the problems it's having so u need to quit pointing fingers at me saying that iv'e said stuff i did'nt say.thats not bashing, and everytime iv'e stated the truth about what iv'e seen and heard about the ps3 i also say that i love all systems and i will have one 1 day. so no ones picking on u or the system, the only one that i see is biased is u, u have even said that ur a ps3 fanboy so who's the one trying to start shit ...not me. the thing is no matter what i say u go right back to xbox360 has a 33% fail rate as if no one knows this.

lol the funny thing is u don't see people not buying them,if the 360 was such junk why would so many people have them and even when they do break they replace them and they still play them so whats the big deal?? are u a ps3 spokes person or something or do u think that when sumthing is said about the ps3 it's a bad reflection on u or something??lol damn it's not like u made the damn thing. it's like ur emotionally vested in the ps3 or something i don't know it's just a game...

Onthexbox.com - News (http://www.onthexbox.com/news1169.html)


Sales of the gaming machine plunged 60% in the fiscal fourth quarter, Microsoft disclosed Thursday.

microsoft said, it's not a retailer estimate, it's straight from the horses mouth.

and the big deal is i'm tired of all the unfounded ps3 hating i've seen for so long, and it doesn't matter if i throw fact in your face, or even go with the humble side and admit they're both great systems, it always has the same end result...

all i can tell you is if you post something like this, don't expect me to just ignore it or not care. fine i'm petty, if that's what you want to hear... i DO care... for reasons i do not know.

i also garuntee if this thread had never came up and i posted something of the same equivelant about xbox live or 360 i'd be met with pretty much the same reactions as you're getting here.

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 10:58 PM
lmao ur gettin lame, biased lmao i stated the truth of what happened to my friend that loved the ps systems btw and im called biased lol. ur starting to show ur maturity.

and you're starting to show your reading ability...

basis is not bias

palerider7777
09-06-2007, 11:07 PM
Onthexbox.com - News (http://www.onthexbox.com/news1169.html)



microsoft said, it's not a retailer estimate, it's straight from the horses mouth.

and the big deal is i'm tired of all the unfounded ps3 hating i've seen for so long, and it doesn't matter if i throw fact in your face, or even go with the humble side and admit they're both great systems, it always has the same end result....

.

what me saying im gonna buy one when i feel like it?? i don't get what ur trying to say what u don't think i should get 1??is that what ur trying to say cause either u can't read well or ur mind skips around alot as iv'e stated time and time again that in do time i will own 1 but i guess ur so wraped up with trying to prove someone wrong that u skip the parts that u don't want to read maybe u just want a debate about it so bad ur trying to pick through every lil word and discard the ones that don't fit in with what u want to prove. sorry but i think after awhile when we all leave the thread ur gonna still be debating with ur self lol

slipknotpsycho
09-06-2007, 11:09 PM
what me saying im gonna buy one when i feel like it?? i don't get what ur trying to say what u don't think i should get 1??is that what ur trying to say cause either u can't read well or ur mind skips around alot as iv'e stated time and time again that in do time i will own 1 but i guess ur so wraped up with trying to prove someone wrong that u skip the parts that u don't want to read maybe u just want a debate about it so bad ur trying to pick through every lil word and discard the ones that don't fit in with what u want to prove. sorry but i think after awhile when we all leave the thread ur gonna still be debating with ur self lol

you said "you don't see people not buying them" so i provided a direct microsoft quote of their sales dropping 60%

so yes i do see people not buying them... 60 percent drop is not a small drop by any means.

palerider7777
09-07-2007, 02:47 AM
well they have been out for what 2 years now it's not like it's new anymore

Mr. Bubbles
09-07-2007, 03:26 AM
well they have been out for what 2 years now it's not like it's new anymore

Exactly... it's like Slipknot is trying to compare these two consoles as if they were released at the same time. The 360 was out longer, so a 60% drop in sales now is by no means a bad thing.

slipknotpsycho
09-07-2007, 03:39 AM
ok i really wish you 360 people would make up your damn minds... when all these (not with you two, so don't go flipping out sayign i'm putting words in your mouth) debates FIRST started here, i said of course 360 has better games it's been out for a year longer (in response to 360 being better because it has more games).... now yal tell me it DOES make a diffrence....

either way, a 60% drop in sales is still significant... (especially coupled with the public announcment of the problems, and a 135% sales increase in ps3.)

palerider7777
09-07-2007, 05:14 AM
lmao oh well im outta here and i doubt i'll be back on this site so seeya don't want to be ya im out

imitator
09-07-2007, 03:18 PM
ok i really wish you 360 people would make up your damn minds... when all these (not with you two, so don't go flipping out sayign i'm putting words in your mouth) debates FIRST started here, i said of course 360 has better games it's been out for a year longer (in response to 360 being better because it has more games).... now yal tell me it DOES make a diffrence....

either way, a 60% drop in sales is still significant... (especially coupled with the public announcment of the problems, and a 135% sales increase in ps3.)

The fanboi's for all sides involved in this "console war" are retarded in my book.

Its a damn console, that for the most part, plays entirely different games. One console is going to be better at some stuff over another, but no matter how great your console is, it doesnt play the great games on other consoles.

I have friends who are 360 fanboi's to the core, and I just chuckle at them, the same as the ps3 friends of mine. Xboxlive is great if you enjoy playing fps games on console, which personally is about as enjoyable as running a barb wire fence through my butthole. PS3 online is great again, if you like fps games on console. I havent seen alot of games that used the online portion of the console, except fps games.

Spoken Word
09-07-2007, 03:37 PM
You all seem to be attacking both systems with propaganda.. lmao..

the truth is, people have different tastes so until one of the systems has the CLEAR upper hand, all your doing is blowing smoke up everyones ass.

Both systems have their ups and downs.

palerider7777
09-07-2007, 04:22 PM
You all seem to be attacking both systems with propaganda.. lmao..

the truth is, people have different tastes so until one of the systems has the CLEAR upper hand, all your doing is blowing smoke up everyones ass.

Both systems have their ups and downs.

if im not mistaken thats what iv'e been saying all along so i guess u must be talking about sumone else

palerider7777
09-07-2007, 04:24 PM
The fanboi's for all sides involved in this "console war" are retarded in my book.

Its a damn console, that for the most part, plays entirely different games. One console is going to be better at some stuff over another, but no matter how great your console is, it doesnt play the great games on other consoles.

I have friends who are 360 fanboi's to the core, and I just chuckle at them, the same as the ps3 friends of mine. Xboxlive is great if you enjoy playing fps games on console, which personally is about as enjoyable as running a barb wire fence through my butthole. PS3 online is great again, if you like fps games on console. I havent seen alot of games that used the online portion of the console, except fps games.

what u just wrote is like running barb wire through ur butthole but then again sum people like that sort of thing maybe u also??

imitator
09-07-2007, 04:32 PM
what u just wrote is like running barb wire through ur butthole but then again sum people like that sort of thing maybe u also??

Im sorry, I cant understand anything you just said there, its broken pretty badly.

I am assuming you are saying that reading my post was like running barb wire through your butthole?

palerider7777
09-07-2007, 11:30 PM
Im sorry, I cant understand anything you just said there, its broken pretty badly.

I am assuming you are saying that reading my post was like running barb wire through your butthole?

u mean that 1 brain cell can't compute what was written?not my problem u can't read.

imitator
09-08-2007, 12:16 AM
u mean that 1 brain cell can't compute what was written?not my problem u can't read.

Just priceless. You are flaming someone on a message board. Kudo's, you are big pimpin now.

The fact that you are either too stupid, or too lazy to be able to type things properly is very telling. Oh, and this is the part where you make the plea that how you type isnt an indicator as to how smart you are, right? I love that part, its great.

palerider7777
09-08-2007, 05:04 AM
Just priceless. You are flaming someone on a message board. Kudo's, you are big pimpin now.

The fact that you are either too stupid, or too lazy to be able to type things properly is very telling. Oh, and this is the part where you make the plea that how you type isnt an indicator as to how smart you are, right? I love that part, its great.

lol well things would be alot diffrent if we were able to meet in person, but as that would never happen u get to stay behind ur screen and tell sumone there lazy because they don't want to spend time writing out everything perfect to someone that would still come back with sum stupid shit like most bad asses. u know behind a desk and a screen,the truth of it all is theres no way u would take that tone if u were standing infront of a person so it's cool theres alot of "u" out there.

snowblind
09-08-2007, 05:21 AM
wow this just got tought, i mean boys don't type it if you don't mean it .

snowblind
09-08-2007, 05:23 AM
/\/\/\/\ tough, i accidently typed an extra t. please dont lynch me for the typ-o

pooginowski
09-08-2007, 06:38 AM
Yeah, I loved how it evolved from talking about consoles to bashing each other online.

--btw I own a PS3 and a XBOX360 and love them both--

palerider7777
09-08-2007, 06:05 PM
what am i supposed to let sumone talk shit to me so now im bashing sumone no i just respond to what he wrote i can read into what he's saying calling me a fanboy as if,all i was saying is i know damn well he don't talk like that to people face to face thats all

bluntblaze
09-08-2007, 06:34 PM
lmao oh well im outta here and i doubt i'll be back on this site so seeya don't want to be ya im out


what am i supposed to let sumone talk shit to me

...

imitator
09-08-2007, 07:15 PM
what am i supposed to let sumone talk shit to me so now im bashing sumone no i just respond to what he wrote i can read into what he's saying calling me a fanboy as if,all i was saying is i know damn well he don't talk like that to people face to face thats all

First I never even indicated I was speaking about you, so if you took the fanboi comment to heart, it must be becuase you beleive yourself to be one as well.

And why wouldnt I call someone a fanboi to their face? Is that supposed to be a big deal? You repeatedly in other threads have attacked the ps3, and touted the 360. That makes you a fanboi. Its ok, its not like anyone really cares, just admit it and move on.

king of the world
09-09-2007, 07:51 PM
i just love it when palerider7777 get into arguements. its just classic and highly entertaining(if your looking for cheap laughs). and it seems that in almost all his posts that he is arguing with someone.:S2::S2::S2::S2: