he admitted it, hope they put him away for a long time.

[slipknotpsycho]

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines (http://washingtonpost.com)



RICHMOND, Va. -- Michael Vick apologized Monday for "using bad judgment and making bad decisions" and vowed to redeem himself after pleading guilty to a federal dogfighting charge.

"First I want to apologize for all the things that I've done and that I have allowed to happen," the star quarterback said at a news conference following his appearance in U.S. District Court to formally enter the plea.

When the Atlanta Falcons selected Michael Vick with the No. 1 pick in the 2001 draft, the former Virginia Tech quarterback appeared to be the NFL's next megastar. But his career is now in ruins after he agrees to plead guilty to federal dogfighting charges that will result in significant prison time.

Sentencing was set for Dec. 10 and Vick could be sent to prison for one to five years. Vick was suspended indefinitely by the NFL last week.

In Atlanta, the Falcons said they would not cut Vick immediately because of salary-cap issues. The team intends to pursue the $22 million in bonus money that he already received in a record $130 million contract signed in 2004.

"We cannot tell you today that Michael is cut from the team," owner Arthur Blank said.

Saying he was speaking "from the heart," and looking somber, Vick made his first public statements on the dogfighting ring:

"I made a mistake of using bad judgment and making bad decisions. Those things just can't happen. Dogfighting is a terrible thing, and I do reject it."

He singled out NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, Blank, coach Bobby Petrino and his teammates for personal apologies, saying "I was not honest and forthright in our discussions."

He also apologized to "all the young kids out there for my immature acts and what I did _ and what I did was very immature. So that means I need to grow up."

"I totally ask for forgiveness and understanding as I move forward to bettering Michael Vick the person, not the football player," he said.

He concluded by saying, "I offer my deepest apologies to everyone. And I will redeem myself. I have to."

Vick took no questions.

[Weedhound]

It's only because he's black.....and rich.....and famous.....and treats animals like toys to play with and torture.....

I say wipe him off the face of the earth.

[TOOL9]

Yea i saw his "sincere apology" earlier today. I hope the bastard stays in prison for a long time and never takes another snap in the NFL

[trainwreck530]

i completely disagree...michael vick is an incredible athlete. ive seen him make some crazy plays before! shit happens...plus you ever think about it from his point? i dont think so.

this sucks...man i hope for the best:thumbsup:

donny

[ATrain]

i completely disagree...michael vick is an incredible athlete. ive seen him make some crazy plays before! shit happens...plus you ever think about it from his point? i dont think so.

Shit happens? :wtf: Shit like setting up and funding an illegal, and lets not forget morally reprehensible, dog fighting operation? In my opinion he's an incredible athlete, a shitty QB, and a failure as a man.

And by the way, I don't count Vick's actions at the end as "taking responsibility". He denied any involvement to the media, the fans and the commissioner, and the only reason he pled guilty was because they had a enough evidence to bury him. Getting backed into a corner and taking the only way out isn't owning up to his actions, it's taking a bite out of the shit sandwich he fixed for himself.

I hope he never suits up for the NFL again.

[stinkyattic]

michael vick is an incredible athlete. .... shit happens...plus you ever think about it from his point?
I'd tend to agree with you more if he had been charged with a 'crime of passion'- basically, anything NOT premeditated. But what he's been charged with took a lot of planning and sneakery; it wasn't a single bad decision, it was a long STRING of bad decisions, and he could have stopped doing it at any time.

[BathingApes]

Why do people not want him to ever play in the NFL? He is gonna go to jail, and he is going to serve his time. The point of prison is rehabilitation. It doesn't mean that if you go to jail you should never ever ever be allowed to play professional sport etc. The whole point of jail is yes a punishment, but it serves a deeper purpose. Maybe not in the USA but here there is an emphasis on rehabilitation - that is the point of a minimal sentence.

He did something extremely wrong, lied about it, then admitted it. We operate as one, if one of us fails we all do. People shouldn't just be discarded when they make a mistake, no matter how serious. This man did terrible things, but his time served in prison shall be his penance.

I would much rather see a rejuvinated Michael Vick in a few years time playing in the NFL, rather than to see him drift into obscurity never to be seen again..

[psychocat]

Don't know who he is,, nor do I care really.
I do have to say that he should do his time and if he earns another chance then he should be given it.
I am an ex-con and there are enough people who believe drug smugglers should be locked up forever, if that was the case I wouldn't be typing this now.

[ATrain]

Why do people not want him to ever play in the NFL? He is gonna go to jail, and he is going to serve his time. The point of prison is rehabilitation. It doesn't mean that if you go to jail you should never ever ever be allowed to play professional sport etc.

But the NFL is a business and with his thoughtless actions he demonstrated that he isn't concerned with abiding by the rules the NFL has set down, at the expense of the NFL too. Based upon his actions he has forfeited the right to play in the NFL, and I'd personally like to see them hold him to that.

I'm not saying that one criminal conviction should mean that you are kicked out of the league but I think his actions, especially as one of the leagues most identifiable premier players, go above and beyond what is forgivable.

[Divadish]

It could be construde as bringing the NFL into disrepute which i'm sure would be breach of contract on his part with the NFL and the Falcons

[Comatose]

I believe that any PROFESSIONAL should be held to a higher standard. When you make that much money, and influence that many children, your actions speak louder than any words.

If any real world PROFESSIONAL did something like this, they would lose their job and probably find difficulties finding work for the rest of their life.... But.... we are talking about the NFL. The NFL doesn't have any policy like this. The NFL has let so called rapists, murders, and cocaine dealers play after their stints in prison, so to think that they will keep Vick from playing for dogfighting (the least serious of raping, murdering, and cocain dealing) is pretty far out there.

If life were fair, Vick would never play again, but this is the real world. My prediction... he does 2 years in a federal prison, comes out in super human shape, and is the biggest piece of news during the 2010 football season.

You have to remember, once someone does their time in prison, they are supposed to be clear with society, it, they have paid their debt. Not everyone will forgive him, but for me, if he goes in like a man and does his time, then he'll have my respect back after that. If he somehow finds a way out of this and avoids prison, then that'll be a different story.

[ATrain]

If life were fair, Vick would never play again, but this is the real world. My prediction... he does 2 years in a federal prison, comes out in super human shape, and is the biggest piece of news during the 2010 football season.


Apparently prison really messes with athletes. Everyone that I've heard of coming out of prison has always taken quite some time to get back into game shape, Tank Johnson for example. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out.

[sd6515]

He has to pay back the atlanta falcons $20 Mil. so thats another kick in the ass for him not that I feel any compassion for him actually quite the opposite I enjoy seeing that it isn't just going away.


Here's a link MediaTakeOut.com™ 2007 - BUSTED!! Mike Vick Has To Pay $20M To The Atlanta Falcons (http://www.mediatakeout.com/13579/busted_mike_vick_has_to_pay_20m_to_the_atlanta_fal cons.html)

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

i completely disagree...michael vick is an incredible athlete. ive seen him make some crazy plays before! shit happens...plus you ever think about it from his point? i dont think so.

this sucks...man i hope for the best:thumbsup:

donny


Hahahaha... yeah, and Michael Jackson couldn't have touched those little boys because he makes such wonderful music.

[beachguy in thongs]

Who knows, exactly, what he did? Of course, he admitted to hanging them, and, then when they didn't die from that, he'd drown them, but, that's not what I saw.


i completely disagree...michael vick is an incredible athlete. ive seen him make some crazy plays before!

donny

Yes, he's much more exciting while running down the sidelines than standing in line for lunch.

[Safari Leader]

guys its just dogs

you get more time in jail for killing a dog in this country than a real human being..

[ATrain]

guys its just dogs

you get more time in jail for killing a dog in this country than a real human being..

No, they aren't just dogs :wtf: As soon as we start rationalizing the torturing of animals we are all in a world of shit.

And I also go back to the fact that it is not like he kicked a dog and is going to be serving ten years. He bankrolled and participated in an organized dog fighting ring. I mean he had a "rape stand" for breeding his dogs. Come on.... :(

[GollyWog420]

fucks like him are the reason dogs like the Great American Pitbull are banned in places, as it casts negative media on them, have a look on youtube at the pitbull vids.
I dont know how anyone can condone in their own minds hanging/drowning a defenceless animal
plus people on that sort of money really shouldnt be fuckin up that badly, he's a disgrace to his organisation and they should sack the cunt
an eye for an eye




:hippy:

[slipknotpsycho]

guys its just dogs

you get more time in jail for killing a dog in this country than a real human being..

ok imagine being the dog... you've been raised (rather harshly too) to be bred for fight after fight, suffering injury, until finally another dog kills you, or you get too old/injured in which you just get beaten to death like a worthless peice of shit...

you think they keep those dogs around after they've 'outlived their usefulness'? you think they put them up for adoption?

[FriendlyWalrus]

Don't worry, he won't.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Well he got 23 months plus more in probation. Wow, he's done.

[Spoken Word]

^wwwwweeeellllll let's think about this... other than the shit gaurds give everyone, he won't deal with much shit. the inmates will either respect him or fear him. of course, there will be the jackass that "tries" him but I think mr. dogfighter can handle his own.

he deserves the 23 months, for what he did and his demeanor. I mean, the guy got high after being indicted(sp?). Most average joes do, but that's just it. HE ISN"T AN AVERAGE JOE! He should know that....
I don't know.....I can't criticize since I smoke weed daily but there are times when you shouldn't get high and Micheal Vick didn't care. lol

I have no respect for him.

[ATrain]

the inmates will either respect him or fear him.

I don't seem other inmates having any reason to fear Vick. Any trouble could jeopardize his early release, of which he will need every day if he plans on attempting a comeback, and he isn't that physically imposing. A lot of respect for sure but I doubt any fear.

[Spoken Word]

not everyone in prison is criminal minded like Micheal Vick.

[sd6515]

maybe not but they are all criminals, oh wait none of them did it I forgot

[Dmo18]

truly, it was because he's black, i dont care what you say, bob barker does that shit ppl are still pissed but not like ppl were with vick. and he aint gettin no 23 months either

the way people acted was like he fuckin murdered a family of 5

killing dogs is wrong, but at the same time we watch human beings be put through much worse and we just watch and take it and say lifes tough

he killed some dogs, hes wrong, but there are far more inhumane injustices that happen all around us everyday and no orginizes a fuckin protest about those

[ATrain]

truly, it was because he's black, i dont care what you say, bob barker does that shit ppl are still pissed but not like ppl were with vick. and he aint gettin no 23 months either

he killed some dogs, hes wrong, but there are far more inhumane injustices that happen all around us everyday and no orginizes a fuckin protest about those

It has nothing to do with the fact that he is black. He committed multiple crimes, some violent in nature, he lied to prosecutors, he was then found guilty due to OVERWHELMING evidence, he violated his probation, and he eventually admitted to his actions and pleaded guilty! He deserves every day of his sentence and then some. Turning it into a race issue is total fucking bullshit in my opinion.

Sure there are far more inhumane injustices going on in the world, although the torture of animals is pretty high up on that list, but does that mean that we turn a blind eye to "lesser" crimes?

Vick brought it upon himself :jointsmile:

[Dmo18]

i never said he didnt commit those crimes. never said he didnt bring it on himself, but i do think some of his troubles can be attributed to "friend loyalty" not wanting to get his friends in trouble, the same "friends" who turned on him tho.

im in no way trying to justify his actions but tell me that a strict conservative white judge sentencing a young black male that has been portrayed as a "thug" isnt gonna come down harsher then someone sitting up there who is more like him, white, you are turning a blind eye to the shades of racism that sadly do still exist



and the sad thing we are turning a blind eye to harsher crimes JENA-6 (also black males)
was going on at the same time, did something wrong but nevertheless still occurs everyday, and they were sentenced to something outrageous (im not really quite sure) and yeh you saw some protesters of their sentence but they were from their home town they were friends and family, you didnt see flocks of random people trying to fight for their young lifes and keep them out of jail did you? I pretty sure there sentences were lifted since then though, but its the point that people are willing to fight soooo hard for vick to be in jail, but at the same time wont lift a finger to help people who are being fucked by the legal system.

[FakeBoobsRule]

^wwwwweeeellllll let's think about this... other than the shit gaurds give everyone, he won't deal with much shit. the inmates will either respect him or fear him. of course, there will be the jackass that "tries" him but I think mr. dogfighter can handle his own.
Well he's been in jail since he turned himself in early and it will be curious to see what prison they send him to./ There's a big difference between jail and prison and if they send him to a federal prison that has violent offenders in it, you get bet your ass no one will be afraid of Vick. He may or may not be able to take on guys one on one but it's prison Spoken Word. They do things in groups and not one on one, hence the term gang rape in the shower room. His only saving grace might be that a gang will protect him or no one will want to get herpes from him. If he wasn't going broke he might be able to afford protection.


he deserves the 23 months, for what he did and his demeanor. I mean, the guy got high after being indicted(sp?). Most average joes do, but that's just it. HE ISN"T AN AVERAGE JOE! He should know that....
I don't know.....I can't criticize since I smoke weed daily but there are times when you shouldn't get high and Micheal Vick didn't care. lol

I have no respect for him.
You said you can't criticize him for smoking weed (which I think at that point he was on house arrest) but you did criticize him. Granted it was a stupid stupid move on his part but there are many people who when faced with the same situation might have done the same thing. Facing 5 years in prison, losing tens of millions of dollars if not easily one hundred million dollars, watching your career go down the shitter, being made fun of constantly, becoming one of the most hated people in the U.S., people are protesting you in the streets, etc etc etc, many people would say fuck it or be depressed or feel they have nothing to lose or decide this might be a temporary escape from the pain and smoke some pot. There's people on here all the time on probation smoking pot. He should have signed up here and learned how to possibly beat his drug test. Not doing that was even more stupid. Granted pot isn't physically addictive but drug addiction can turn a mother against her own baby. Don't be so shocked that someone who smokes pot lit up while facing prison time.


not everyone in prison is criminal minded like Micheal Vick.
Yeah that's right. They aren't locking up criminals but rather innocent people who were falsely convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Oh wait, they were criminals but the great prison system has changed their evil ways and they're now reformed. :rolleyes::wtf::what:


He committed multiple crimes, some violent in nature, he lied to prosecutors,
I'm not going to hold lying to the government against him. We are entitled to protection against self incrimination. It would have been smarter to say nothing. Did he actually get questioned by investigators/prosecutors or did he just lie in public and to the NFL?

Don't think for a second I'm supporting Vick but I'm not going to hold lying to the government and smoking pot against him.

[Balkey]

i never said he didnt commit those crimes. never said he didnt bring it on himself, but i do think some of his troubles can be attributed to "friend loyalty" not wanting to get his friends in trouble, the same "friends" who turned on him tho.

im in no way trying to justify his actions but tell me that a strict conservative white judge sentencing a young black male that has been portrayed as a "thug" isnt gonna come down harsher then someone sitting up there who is more like him, white, you are turning a blind eye to the shades of racism that sadly do still exist



and the sad thing we are turning a blind eye to harsher crimes JENA-6 (also black males)
was going on at the same time, did something wrong but nevertheless still occurs everyday, and they were sentenced to something outrageous (im not really quite sure) and yeh you saw some protesters of their sentence but they were from their home town they were friends and family, you didnt see flocks of random people trying to fight for their young lifes and keep them out of jail did you? I pretty sure there sentences were lifted since then though, but its the point that people are willing to fight soooo hard for vick to be in jail, but at the same time wont lift a finger to help people who are being fucked by the legal system.

All of this is bullshit. This is not a race issue. The reason why people aren't outside the court protesting FOR him, is 1) He lied. 2) He's guilty. 3) He's guilty. 4) Violated probation making his image worse. 5) He's guilty. HE'S GUILTY. He got a standard sentence for someone who has contributed to a big dog fighting ring, and killed innocent animals, as well as violated probation.

If Tom Brady were put in this exact situation, he would be prosecuted just as harshly as Michael Vick did. Are there injustices in our justice system? Yes, BUT Michael Vick got justice.

If you want an example of someone who is in the spot light such as Michael Vick, although not an athlete, that still got jail time. Look at Paris Hilton. 45 days in jail for violating probation...well 3 times lol but still. She still got jail time and she didn't participate in illegal dog fighting rings, kills multiple dogs, lie to the NFL, breach her contract, smoke marijuana on probation, etc.

Must have been a race issue with Paris eh? oh wait, it wasn't.

[Balkey]

Don't think for a second I'm supporting Vick but I'm not going to hold lying to the government and smoking pot against him.

I agree that you shouldn't hold it against him for smoking weed, but lying to the government isn't the only people he lied to. He lied to his employer. The NFL is a job and should be considered one. They get paid millions upon millions of dollars to perform on the field and some would argue, their image and roll model image is important also. If I lied to my boss, and he found out, I would either get fired or a strict punishment. The NFL(the boss) gets lied to all the time and their "employees" get a slap on the wrist basically. In the real world, you break the rules and you get fired. In the NFL, you break the rules and you get fined $5000 which isn't even a percentage of what you make a year.

Athletes who make mistakes in the NFL and break NFL rules get a slap on the wrists, but once they breaks REAL WORLD rules, they are confronted by the real world punishments. These punishments are real.....not a slap on the wrist.

[beachguy in thongs]

I'm going to a chicken fight, this afternoon. Is that illegal? We breed chickens, in fact, most of them are born because of us. If you make an axe, you can cut vegetables with it, also.

Dog fighting is just wrong. Those dogs may have never seen this earth if it weren't for it. That's the reason why we're overpopulating. People just want to make more of stuff so they can fight with it.

Everyone should go to the doctor and erase professional wrestling from their brain, then get a chip for it that tells you that "Pot is God".

[Dmo18]

All of this is bullshit. This is not a race issue. The reason why people aren't outside the court protesting FOR him, is 1) He lied. 2) He's guilty. 3) He's guilty. 4) Violated probation making his image worse. 5) He's guilty. HE'S GUILTY. He got a standard sentence for someone who has contributed to a big dog fighting ring, and killed innocent animals, as well as violated probation.

If Tom Brady were put in this exact situation, he would be prosecuted just as harshly as Michael Vick did. Are there injustices in our justice system? Yes, BUT Michael Vick got justice.

If you want an example of someone who is in the spot light such as Michael Vick, although not an athlete, that still got jail time. Look at Paris Hilton. 45 days in jail for violating probation...well 3 times lol but still. She still got jail time and she didn't participate in illegal dog fighting rings, kills multiple dogs, lie to the NFL, breach her contract, smoke marijuana on probation, etc.

Must have been a race issue with Paris eh? oh wait, it wasn't.



prais served like 23 days..... put paris in that house on that proerty u think she gets 23 months???? I don't and you said it yourself THREE violations- thats what it took for something to happen to her


and to all this vick hating going on-it can stop now, he did the crime now hes doin his time, and in 23 months he will be another member of society just like me and you so just stop. we all have made mistakes and we have moved on and we expected others to move on and forget about them too. i truly think hes learned something from this

and btw there are lots of people that protested for him, but that doesnt make for good news, they like to make people look like the devil so they only show the people there against him

[Chronisseur]

KILL THAT SCUM FUCKER!

I cannot BELIEVE how many of you are trying to 'justify' his actions. I'm pretty much disgusted entirely right now, thinking that I've had the faith in the 'cannabis community' to represent goodness.

Honestly, if I EVER see that ignorant fuck in public, I just may end up with a black eye and a jail sentence MYSELF. Dont even think I'm kiddin', you know what they say; it's not the size of the dog in the fight; it's the size of the fight in the dog;)

[palerider7777]

i never said he didnt commit those crimes. never said he didnt bring it on himself, but i do think some of his troubles can be attributed to "friend loyalty" not wanting to get his friends in trouble, the same "friends" who turned on him tho.

im in no way trying to justify his actions but tell me that a strict conservative white judge sentencing a young black male that has been portrayed as a "thug" isnt gonna come down harsher then someone sitting up there who is more like him, white, you are turning a blind eye to the shades of racism that sadly do still exist



and the sad thing we are turning a blind eye to harsher crimes JENA-6 (also black males)
was going on at the same time, did something wrong but nevertheless still occurs everyday, and they were sentenced to something outrageous (im not really quite sure) and yeh you saw some protesters of their sentence but they were from their home town they were friends and family, you didnt see flocks of random people trying to fight for their young lifes and keep them out of jail did you? I pretty sure there sentences were lifted since then though, but its the point that people are willing to fight soooo hard for vick to be in jail, but at the same time wont lift a finger to help people who are being fucked by the legal system.

lets see i see a black man that had everything he could want but still thought he could do what he wanted to do and not have to answer for it i mean he had plenty and that was not good enough so that tells me it was'nt for the money but the fact he thought he should be able to do whatever he wants and get away with it and i will say im not surprised that the race card would be involved just like it does in everything of it's because there black like the jena6 all the blacks protested that let them go they did nothing wrong all they did was all 6 of them jumped 1 lil white kid almost to death whats wrong with that.let them go the thing is if it was the other way around 6whites on 1 black it would be a hate crime. nice

[Balkey]

I pretty sure there sentences were lifted since then though, but its the point that people are willing to fight soooo hard for vick to be in jail, but at the same time wont lift a finger to help people who are being fucked by the legal system.

But yet you say people WERE supporting Vick. Which one is it? Do people fight for him or are people fighting against him? Of course its both.

Use facts for your "its race" comment. According the the
Animal Fighting Prohibition Enforcement Act in 2007, suggested jail time is up to 3 years and in some states 5 years. Now, Vick got how many MONTHS? And how many months will he ACTUALLY serve? But yet, you say its race, this white judge, came down on him harsh. I say Bullshit.

And Paris violated probation by DRIVING....thats all. Sure she had a suspended license but she wasn't out there killing innocent dogs or funding illegal dog fighting operations.

He will server his time, but to say this is based on race, is absurd.

[Spoken Word]

Well he's been in jail since he turned himself in early and it will be curious to see what prison they send him to./ There's a big difference between jail and prison and if they send him to a federal prison that has violent offenders in it, you get bet your ass no one will be afraid of Vick. He may or may not be able to take on guys one on one but it's prison Spoken Word. They do things in groups and not one on one, hence the term gang rape in the shower room. His only saving grace might be that a gang will protect him or no one will want to get herpes from him. If he wasn't going broke he might be able to afford protection.


You said you can't criticize him for smoking weed (which I think at that point he was on house arrest) but you did criticize him. Granted it was a stupid stupid move on his part but there are many people who when faced with the same situation might have done the same thing. Facing 5 years in prison, losing tens of millions of dollars if not easily one hundred million dollars, watching your career go down the shitter, being made fun of constantly, becoming one of the most hated people in the U.S., people are protesting you in the streets, etc etc etc, many people would say fuck it or be depressed or feel they have nothing to lose or decide this might be a temporary escape from the pain and smoke some pot. There's people on here all the time on probation smoking pot. He should have signed up here and learned how to possibly beat his drug test. Not doing that was even more stupid. Granted pot isn't physically addictive but drug addiction can turn a mother against her own baby. Don't be so shocked that someone who smokes pot lit up while facing prison time.


Yeah that's right. They aren't locking up criminals but rather innocent people who were falsely convicted of crimes they didn't commit. Oh wait, they were criminals but the great prison system has changed their evil ways and they're now reformed. :rolleyes::wtf::what:


I'm not going to hold lying to the government against him. We are entitled to protection against self incrimination. It would have been smarter to say nothing. Did he actually get questioned by investigators/prosecutors or did he just lie in public and to the NFL?

Don't think for a second I'm supporting Vick but I'm not going to hold lying to the government and smoking pot against him.
Good points.. I agree.. But prison isn't all it's jacked up to be. Most prisons don't let the lifers and the sentenced folk interact. So what you have is a bunch of either reformed citizens trying to get out or careless criminals trying to get out to commit the same crimes. Nowadays, you have to either WANT to get in a fight or you're asking for it. Vick will most likely ask for it with his "hard" presence. and im sure SOMEONE will love to fight him.

and sorry FakeBoobsRule, i don't respect him like the guy trying to get over his problems before getting sentenced and smoking a little weed. so yes, i contradicted myself and did criticize him but because like i said, he isn't the average joe trying to forget his issues before going away for a looong time.
Micheal Vick gets paid like a "upper-echleon" human being....most people even treat him like one....he should AT LEAST try to act like SOMEWHAT of an upstanding citizen. Not like the guys he builds his image around. that's just it..... most "gangsters" are trying to make money to get out of the "life". Micheal Vick brought his $130,000,000 to the "hood" and on top of that, he used some of his athletic-profit to start a dog-fighting enterprise..... that's exactly what the little gangster fucks do. but this guy did it being a national superstar, AND SOMETHING TELLS ME that he had enough money so, most-likely, he did it just for street fame.

so, you say you're not defending him, but you are. if you see any positive reason in ANYTHING he has done, except maybe turn himself in early, than you are defending him. and this isn't a race issue to me, ever since Virginia Tech, I have not liked, respected or praised Vick. These dog-fighting charges were the last straw.

but again, i see where you are coming from and it's great; just because he fucked up doesn't mean we have to put him on a stake.

that's typical tree-hugging, pot-smoking, love-everyone speak.

I see this as a guy who, like the commercial says, "touched the lives of millions in an instant". and on top of that, got paid for it. any responsible person would appreciate their position and cut the bullshit. micheal vick didn't cut the bullshit, he brought it on himself.
so yea, as "non-hippie" as I sound, i'll put him on a stake and hope that NEGATIVE black america starts realizing that all this "ghetto" shit is self-destructive.



but to you and every member on this board I say, take care and farewell....:hippy:

[Spoken Word]

Don't think for a second I'm supporting Vick but I'm not going to hold lying to the government and smoking pot against him. Why not hold him responsible, fakeboobsrule? because we lie to the government everyday?? by smoking pot??? i bet few people on this board, or anyone you know, would smoke pot on FEDERAL probation while waiting for FEDERAL charges. you have to be STUPID to think they aren't going to test you. and here you are thinking micheal vick smoked a peaceful bowl to clear his mind before getting jailed................
get real, he smoked a blunt with his homies, degrading women and god knows what else. he doesn't see weed like we do.......heck, ricky williams sees weed like we do, not micheal vick.

so you don't want to hold lying to the government against him? again, why not?? he isn't your normal citizen.. he gets paid like someone special, so he should act like someone special and deal with what he did. not lie to almost EVERYONE around him and try to "beat the case". I mean think about it, you're basically giving him the chance to not get punished for the crimes he commited. fuck that, i will hold him responsible for lying to everyone after getting caught.

[FakeBoobsRule]

Why not hold him responsible, fakeboobsrule? because we lie to the government everyday?? by smoking pot??? i bet few people on this board, or anyone you know, would smoke pot on FEDERAL probation while waiting for FEDERAL charges. you have to be STUPID to think they aren't going to test you. and here you are thinking micheal vick smoked a peaceful bowl to clear his mind before getting jailed................
get real, he smoked a blunt with his homies, degrading women and god knows what else. he doesn't see weed like we do.......heck, ricky williams sees weed like we do, not micheal vick.

so you don't want to hold lying to the government against him? again, why not?? he isn't your normal citizen.. he gets paid like someone special, so he should act like someone special and deal with what he did. not lie to almost EVERYONE around him and try to "beat the case". I mean think about it, you're basically giving him the chance to not get punished for the crimes he commited. fuck that, i will hold him responsible for lying to everyone after getting caught.

Ever heard this before:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

It's the fifth amendment. No where does it say that your rights against self incrimination are dependent on how much money you make or your status in society. How many times I would like to see a suspect beaten to within inches of his life to give up information but that would be wrong and once you start making exceptions then none of us have any rights. By making sure the people that deserve the rights the least are afforded their rights makes sure that those that should have them do.

I think it's very short sided of you to blast him about smoking pot in this manner. Yes it was stupid but you can't know what was going through his head when he smoked. Then to just sit there and say he gets high and degrades women while other people are good pot smokers sounds like some kind of government propaganda. Doesn't the government and those against pot try to make pot smokers out like demons and evil and sensationalize the evils of pot but you're going to turn around and point the finger at him like his way of smoking pot is worse than your way or your way is better? If he's not robbing people to buy pot then I don't see how his form of pot smoking is so bad. Stupid yes, bad no. I can't even put into words how fucked up this is what your doing. You're doing to him what the government does to all of us. Anslinger started the whole anti-marijuana propaganda by saying that pot smokers were evil violent low lifes and now you (I imagine you smoke or use marijuana) are now going to turn around and do the same thing to Vick? Stupid yes but does smoking pot while awaiting sentencing make him a worse person than he already is, no. Not only does this parallel what the government does but also when an alcoholic points the finger at a pot smoker and puts them down.

He's an idiot and a loser for betting on dog fighting, breeding dogs for fighting, and killing dogs and treating them badly. Should he burn that much more because he smoked while awaiting sentencing? Not in my book.

[Balkey]

Stupid yes but does smoking pot while awaiting sentencing make him a worse person than he already is, no.

Agreed.

[Spoken Word]

Ever heard this before:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

It's the fifth amendment. No where does it say that your rights against self incrimination are dependent on how much money you make or your status in society. How many times I would like to see a suspect beaten to within inches of his life to give up information but that would be wrong and once you start making exceptions then none of us have any rights. By making sure the people that deserve the rights the least are afforded their rights makes sure that those that should have them do.

I think it's very short sided of you to blast him about smoking pot in this manner. Yes it was stupid but you can't know what was going through his head when he smoked. Then to just sit there and say he gets high and degrades women while other people are good pot smokers sounds like some kind of government propaganda. Doesn't the government and those against pot try to make pot smokers out like demons and evil and sensationalize the evils of pot but you're going to turn around and point the finger at him like his way of smoking pot is worse than your way or your way is better? If he's not robbing people to buy pot then I don't see how his form of pot smoking is so bad. Stupid yes, bad no. I can't even put into words how fucked up this is what your doing. You're doing to him what the government does to all of us. Anslinger started the whole anti-marijuana propaganda by saying that pot smokers were evil violent low lifes and now you (I imagine you smoke or use marijuana) are now going to turn around and do the same thing to Vick? Stupid yes but does smoking pot while awaiting sentencing make him a worse person than he already is, no. Not only does this parallel what the government does but also when an alcoholic points the finger at a pot smoker and puts them down.

He's an idiot and a loser for betting on dog fighting, breeding dogs for fighting, and killing dogs and treating them badly. Should he burn that much more because he smoked while awaiting sentencing? Not in my book.:(You're right, I am being short-sided(and minded). But Fakeboobsrule, I've seen the worst of what Micheal Vick has written all over him. I'm sorry, I can't shake off what people like him do to our society. and if not him, what he likes to represent. He doesn't strike me as the "peaceful" and "positive" person. I guess I'm being ignorant in my judging him but hey, like I said, he brought it on himself.

[Balkey]

Your innocent until proven guilty in this country (at least thats how it's suppose to be) but just because your proven guilty on dog fighting charges, etc, doesn't make you guilty in all other stages and parts of life. My guess is he will come back to the NFL just as Ricky Williams has. But if he stays out of trouble until that day, I will have nothing against him.

There's something to say for someone who can dig their way down to the deepest pit they could muster, then work their way out of it. I'll have respect if he can do that.

[Reefer Rogue]

I forgive you Michael

[yokinazu]

and the sad thing we are turning a blind eye to harsher crimes JENA-6 (also black males)
was going on at the same time, did something wrong but nevertheless still occurs everyday, and they were sentenced to something outrageous (im not really quite sure) and yeh you saw some protesters of their sentence but they were from their home town they were friends and family, you didnt see flocks of random people trying to fight for their young lifes and keep them out of jail did you? I pretty sure there sentences were lifted since then though, but its the point that people are willing to fight soooo hard for vick to be in jail, but at the same time wont lift a finger to help people who are being fucked by the legal system

i like the way someone managed to work in the jena 6 here. wich by the way they got over. they should have been charged with a hate crime but instead got an award from BET. livin here in the south we actually know what happened. and it was nothin like how the media portrayed these 6 kids. these 6 kids viciosly beat a fellow student months after the noose was hung in the tree. not the day after not the week after but months after. and by the way there were flocks of people trying to fight for there young lives and keep them outa jail, wich they managed to do.jessee and al had people bussed in from all over the country so the protesters were not just from there home town. now i know i may be coming off to some as a raciest but im not. i beleive everyone should be treated EQUALLY. that means you do not ave the right and should be treated as a hero for commiting a brutal crime because someone did something that you found offensive, and on that same note if he kid who hung the noose did it for racially motivated purposses then he should be held accountable also.

now as far as michael vick is concerned he commited a crime and should serve everyday of his sentance. if for nothing more than the fact that he is a high profile person and the message should go out to the kids who look up to him that if you are cought and convicted of a crime your goin to do your time.