16 clone grow log....

[SCIENTIXT]

High summer temps have been kicking my ass. I have had probs up the butt, it sucks. So instead of giving up I am going to try and try again.

My first try in this new spot was an eight site eurogrower. Everything was fine til I went out of town for three days. While I was gone the power went out on my pumps. Needless to say the roots dried out and started to die. Well mixed with high temp water and dead roots the plants didn't flower for chit.

Same exact thing happened to me the second time I went out of town a month later. I go on vacation and have a good time to only come back to dead little ladies. So after my 4th of july good time I planted some female seeds I had and a couple of bag seeds.

The four easy bud females sprouted and one bagseed did as well. I transplanted over to the hydro unit and they started taking off. Two weeks pass and an emergency happens that I have no choice but to be away for two days again. I know sucks right! Anyway, I get back and the ph and temp levels were so nuts that one easy bud female completely died and the other three were suffering from root rot.

Strangely and oddly enough the one bag seed look like nothing was wrong with it. At first the bag seed was the runt and looked the weakest. Now a month later I am taking clones.

The first pic is the moms of the 20 clones I took. 10 each. The one on the left is the bag seed and the other is the easy bud female. I hope I don't end up fudged with a male from the bag seed but the characteristics of it are female so I have my fingers crossed.

From the 20 clones I am going to transplant after about two weeks of rooting to a 16 site drip/dwc that I am going to make from my panda res. Updates to come.

All questions and comments are welcome.

[SCIENTIXT]

I forgot to mention that this is my first time using this bubbler/cloner. I made it this week. 3.5gal res with 1" holes cut in lid. 4 12" airstones and an air pump. To drain I have a small 66gph pump to suck out the water. Didn't want to take my chances cutting into it and installing a valve.

Anyway as for an update, 11 hours after taking the cuttings the clones seemed to have responded well. All leaves are facing up soaking in the light:thumbsup:.

Clones:
ppm - 450
ph - 8.8
ec - 800

Moms in day 1 of FL:
ppm - 1260
ph - 8.5
ec - 1980

For the first week of FL on these I will still give grow nutes. The second week flower nutes will be added and along with the first flower nutes I will add the bloom booster, Kool Bloom. This will be only to jump start the flowering process and won't be added again until the sixth week of flowering.

[palerider7777]

i know in hydro u should check atleast once a day as to many things can go wrong power wise,sprayers clogin up stuff like that so going out of town every mo is risky

[bongerstonerd00d]

pH of 8.5 and 8.8 ???????????????????


D00d, you MUST get it down, I dont know how they are even alive. WHat are you testing the pH with ?


http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21560&d=1121829312

There is a link for your reference.



b0nger

[KHAN]

What light are you using btw? You didn't mention

[SCIENTIXT]

pH of 8.5 and 8.8 ???????????????????


Damn! ROTFLMAO!!!!! I swear I didn't notice I wrote 8.8 and 8.5. LOL! I meant 5.85 and 5.88.

KHAN
For flowering 1000w HPS and for clone / veg 250w CFL.

Hey palerider, I ain't going out a town for a year! I hope.

[socialistpete]

Why do you leave such big fan leaves on your clones? And I noticed that you cut the tips of leaves off on your clones, I read that this will help the clones root faster and did an experiment last time I cloned and noticed no difference. Do you see a noticeable difference?

[palerider7777]

Damn! ROTFLMAO!!!!! I swear I didn't notice I wrote 8.8 and 8.5. LOL! I meant 5.85 and 5.88.

KHAN
For flowering 1000w HPS and for clone / veg 250w CFL.

Hey palerider, I ain't going out a town for a year! I hope.

lol ok btw i took sum cuttings and just stuck them by the bigger plants in the same 5 inch pot with the same nutes as the 4 week old plants i pretty much did everything ur not supposed to, did'nt cut the tip at an angle no cloning gel or powder and in about 5 days theres roots they were a lil limp but not much and after about 3 days they perked up and now there doin great just goes to show that it's not always matter of fact like people would like u to think lol

[SCIENTIXT]

Why do you leave such big fan leaves on your clones? And I noticed that you cut the tips of leaves off on your clones, I read that this will help the clones root faster and did an experiment last time I cloned and noticed no difference. Do you see a noticeable difference?

Don't let the pics fool you. The fan leaves are no wider than the length of the first joint of your thumb. I haven't really noticed a difference in root growth from cutting the fan leaves and not but by trimming them they don't overlap each others tips and get light. The last clones I took showed signs of rooting by day 5 and had roots by day 8. That was without trimming the tips. I guess we can see what happens with these.

palerider - anything is possible. This plant will do so much. We just have to try.

[SCIENTIXT]

Clones are looking good. All standing tall at attention.
ppm - 440
ph - 5.95
ec - 800

Moms - added 1/2gal of water
ppm - 1260
ph - 5.88
ec - 1870

[SCIENTIXT]

Just checked them this morning and the clones ph was low at 5.0. The fluctuation was due to me not calibrating my meter yesterday. The EB clones looked like they were struggling and limp. The bag seed clones on the other hand were still standing tall like the ph was fine. I got to say I love this bag seed strain, which ever it may be. I still hope that its a girl, couple more days and we will know for sure.

[SCIENTIXT]

The ph on the clones is fluctuating up while the ph on the moms is going down. So to ensure that they stay within the right range I offset the ph.

clones
ph - 5.70

moms
ph - 6.04

[SCIENTIXT]

The 10 EB clones are already showing "the coliflower look" on their stems. (I'll post pics when the lights go back on.) The other ten not so much. 4 days is a personal best for me. I usually get the results I have after 5 days.

Is their any strain that can't be cloned? Can males be cloned? If anyone can answer that for me I would appreciate it. Thank you.

[SCIENTIXT]

Check out the pics. You can see little roots already coming out. The other ten decided to wait until today to show signs of rooting. I can count on all 20 growing which is good.

The cuttings first soaked in the dip n grow for about five minutes under the 1000w HPS. Then dipped them in the schultz take root. Shook off excess powder and then placed in each individual hole, in the bubbler. Foliar sprayed after 6 hrs of light and then again before the last hr everyday. In a nutshell, thats what I did.

[turtle420]

So far looking great!

What's that white-plastic thing you use there?
What's it called?

You're going to grow them all under the 1000W?
Cool!

[socialistpete]

So did they root faster for you then before? You have them under 1000w hps now? Don't you think thats a little much? I'm not questioning your ability just your method.:) Are they on 18/6?

[SCIENTIXT]

So far looking great!

What's that white-plastic thing you use there?
What's it called?

You're going to grow them all under the 1000W?
Cool!
Black and white poly plastic is what it is. Black on one side, white on the other. discount hydro . com. And yes each one of these clones will spend their FL time under 2000w of light. Yes 2k not 1k.


So did they root faster for you then before? You have them under 1000w hps now? Don't you think thats a little much? I'm not questioning your ability just your method.:) Are they on 18/6?

This time I saw results 24hrs sooner than I used to. Right now the clones are under 250w of CFL's. 18/6 so the clone focuses on root growth during the dark period. Good stuff.

[socialistpete]

sweet!! I thought you had the clones under 2k, cfls are the way to go for clones and veg.

[turtle420]

2 thousand watts?!

I'm really interested now in seeing how this turns out for you!
I've always thought that a 2,000W bulb will "bleach" plants.
Too concentrated.
But again, I'm really interested in seeing how it turns out for you!

Please keep this updated!
((and thanks for the info on the poly plastic :) ))

Best,

-turtle420 :cool:
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[SCIENTIXT]

2 thousand watts?!
I've always thought that a 2,000W bulb will "bleach" plants.

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2 - 1000W bulbs. I have seen bleaching with just the 1k when the light is close enough.

Now about the clones. Man look at those roots. Day 7. One more week of rooting and I will transplant to the 16 site drip / dwc panda res. I just cut the holes today. I can't help but wonder how many different ways I could have cut the holes. I guess the way they are now is ok.

My plan is to transplant these over to 12/12 in one week. Does anyone think I should or shouldn't?

[socialistpete]

I think you should just for the simple fact I've always wanted to do it myself and never have. I'll be following this log so keep the great pics coming.

[SCIENTIXT]

I think you should just for the simple fact I've always wanted to do it myself and never have. I'll be following this log so keep the great pics coming.

Thank you. I will.

The clones are coming along nicely. The roots are starting to get close to each other so hopefully they don't start touching before day 14. If they do I will have no choice to transplant early. I tested the drip system today to make sure each site will be watered. Good to go. With 15 gallons in the panda rez, the water level is about 3/4 to the top. The roots will only grow about four inches before they reach.

[socialistpete]

Why are you waiting till day 14 to transplant? Stability?

[KHAN]

GJ! :thumbsup:

[PharmaCan]

Why do you leave such big fan leaves on your clones? And I noticed that you cut the tips of leaves off on your clones, I read that this will help the clones root faster and did an experiment last time I cloned and noticed no difference. Do you see a noticeable difference?

Pete - trimming the leaves is done for two main reasons:

To reduce weight - a bigger leaf holds more water and hence weighs more, which can cause the plant to bend over when it's weak.

To make the plant smaller so that the leaves of your clones aren't touching and sticking together and rotting.

So the reasons are more mechanical, for lack of a better word, than having to do with the root growth.

Scientixt - I noticed you didn't clean all the loose plastic from the underside of the holes you drilled. You might want to take some sandpaper and de-burr your holes. Otherwise, many of those little pieces of plastic will get into your solution and could eventually damage or clog your pump.

PC :smokin:

[GDS StonerBoy]

2 - 1000W bulbs. I have seen bleaching with just the 1k when the light is close enough.

Now about the clones. Man look at those roots. Day 7. One more week of rooting and I will transplant to the 16 site drip / dwc panda res. I just cut the holes today. I can't help but wonder how many different ways I could have cut the holes. I guess the way they are now is ok.

My plan is to transplant these over to 12/12 in one week. Does anyone think I should or shouldn't?


Dude thats fucking pure awesomeness! I've never cloned before only grown from seed because of how difficult some people make cloning seem. You can bet your ass that im gonna build one of these and give it a try! Keep up the good work bro, im definately gonna watch this one.

[SCIENTIXT]

Dude thats fucking pure awesomeness! I've never cloned before only grown from seed because of how difficult some people make cloning seem. You can bet your ass that im gonna build one of these and give it a try! Keep up the good work bro, im definately gonna watch this one.

Thank you.

Summer temps are still kicking my ass though. I just lost three clones to a minor mold prob. Decided to go ahead and transplant out of the with mold res and into the drip / dwc system. The clones are small but the roots fill the 3" net pots. I kept three for moms to take clones from in about a month or so. Right now because of the heat I won't be using both lamps but once september is over, so is the wait.

[socialistpete]

I have had some heat issues as well this summer and I live in the north.:(

[SCIENTIXT]

I have had some heat issues as well this summer and I live in the north.:(

Good thing though pete is that fall is around the corner and winter is not far at all.

[socialistpete]

Yup, thank you mother nature and it also will save on my electric for a little while. SCIENTIXT what nutes and schedule are you on?

[SCIENTIXT]

Yup, thank you mother nature and it also will save on my electric for a little while. SCIENTIXT what nutes and schedule are you on?

Using GH 3part, floralicious grow and bloom, liquid karma, b1, cal-mag. 12/12 in flower room and 18/6 in grow cab.

Well the clones have been under 1000w for six nights and starting their seventh day. Another seven days and I should see pistils start to come out. Moms are doing ok but I am going to post a thread with a question in the plant probs area.

[socialistpete]

Are you using the dosage off the back of the bottle? Try this out Had amazing results and so have others on here.
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/93676-proven-nutrients-all-you-need-gh-3-part-calmag.html

[SCIENTIXT]

Are you using the dosage off the back of the bottle? Try this out Had amazing results and so have others on here.
http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/93676-proven-nutrients-all-you-need-gh-3-part-calmag.html

What were your ppm's like when you used this formula?

I happened to be changing my res today and before I did it decided to go with this and try. My ppm's are crazy high right now. 16-1700's. Later I will have to pour more water in there to get the ppms back down.

[SCIENTIXT]

They are all showing bud clusters starting to form. Very Happy! They are about ten inches tall right now. They will probably reach about 15 - 20 inches when done. So far so good.

[turtle420]

Gorgeous man... :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[socialistpete]

What were your ppm's like when you used this formula?

I happened to be changing my res today and before I did it decided to go with this and try. My ppm's are crazy high right now. 16-1700's. Later I will have to pour more water in there to get the ppms back down. I did not check i used it in a soil grow and I actully don't have a meter. How are the babes looking?

[socialistpete]

Where you at brother? Bet your girls are looking mighty fine!

[SCIENTIXT]

Where you at brother? Bet your girls are looking mighty fine!

Thank you for your interest. A grow log ain't much if it doesn't have an ending. And ah yes they are looking mighty fine indeed! A little set back with root and heat probs a few weeks back but they bounced back.

Now that the heat is not an issue I have just recently started giving them 2k watts of light. Its been 5 days and they look like they are flowering faster.

My two mother plants are about ten to twelve days from the flush cycle. As for the 16 clones, I give them another four to five weeks as I had probs.

Pic 1 is the moms. resolution sucks but you get the idea.
Pic 2 & 3 the clones.
Pic 4 is the tallest cola on a mom.
Pic 5 is also clones but were vegged in order to take more clones which has already happened, obviously, so now in flower. They will have their own thread called " Lollipops ". Keep an eye out.

[scagster]

SCIENTIXT, looks pretty awesome. Is there any chance you could snap a few pictures of your cloning setup? I'm interested in building something similar to that, so I don't need to keep a huge stockpile of RR plugs.

[SCIENTIXT]

[quote=scagster]Is there any chance you could snap a few pictures of your cloning setup?QUOTE]

He who asks shall receive. Info that is, I ain't sharing no bud.:D I just transplanted 15 more clones today. I'm going soil with those though. Tired of root probs. So soil for them.

Its a very simple dwc setup. Small res so the stem of the clone sits in the water and soaks up nutes until the roots stem out. Those are 12" bubble bars. This setup can be bought at W-mart for less than $30. Just got to find the right size res. Get something no more than six to ten inches tall. Hook it up and your ready.

[scagster]

Looks pretty slick. Having any wilting problems at all without a humidity dome? I'm liking the bubble bar idea :thumbsup:

[SCIENTIXT]

Having any wilting problems at all without a humidity dome? I'm liking the bubble bar idea :thumbsup:

No wilting at all. I keep humidity up by foliar spraying them twice during their light cycle with Chi.

I figure I will clone this way from now on. Why not right?;)

[socialistpete]

Thanx for the pics! I cant wait to see the end result of the 16 clones, keep'm coming.:thumbsup:

[HyDrO ViSiOnZ]

What air pump are you using? Do you know its ratings?

[SCIENTIXT]

What air pump are you using? Do you know its ratings?

Nope. Cheap $9 aqua culture aquarium air pump from Wmart. Dual outlet.

Couple pics. I harvested a couple of smaller branches today from one of my moms. Letting them dry in my dry-box for now. The taste won't be all that right now but I am sure glad I won't have to buy anymore for a long time.:D

[socialistpete]

Are you averaging about the same weight per plant?

[SCIENTIXT]

Are you averaging about the same weight per plant?

Its too soon to tell. I have only had two harvests in the current grow area. Both were different methods so can't really say. What I can say is that I harvested my two moms. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM:thumbsup: The indica EB tastes like orange peels and the sativa taste like bubblegum. Pic 1 is the main cola of the sativa.

As for the 16 clones they are about 15 - 20 days away from harvest. Not sure what day it is but I am going off the trichs and they are 25% cloudy and 75% clear. They also need to plump up a bit. The sativas sadly sprouted seeds and decided to spend the rest of their time doing that than growing nugs.(fuk ass) But as they slowed the EB clones picked up the pace.

[socialistpete]

That sucks about the seeds, I just had to cut a plant down from my flower room for the same reason. That cola looks nice though!!!!!:thumbsup:

[SCIENTIXT]

Now that the trichs have reached 50% clear and 50% cloudy they are ready for the flushing process. I use Zandors flushing process from the grow faq.

Thats a three inch net pot in pic 2.

[socialistpete]

The net pot really puts there size into perspective. Nice!!

[SCIENTIXT]

The net pot really puts there size into perspective. Nice!!

Thanks pete.

Well the moment I have been waiting for has arrived. I harvested. I like to weigh them wet and dry. Usually my dry weight is 1/4 - 1/3 of the wet weight. The 7 true female EB clones weighed in at 2404 grams wet. That means that I should get 6-800 grams dry weight. 1 1/2 lb - 2lbs would have to be my best so far. The largest EB clone weighed 526 grams wet itself. This is my biggest grow so far so I guess it makes sense. As for the other seven hermies, I didn't even bother weighing them. I figure for what, they are full of seeds. At least I won't have to buy seeds for a long while. I just can't help wonder what my yeild would have been if they hadn't hermied? HHHHMMMMMM? I guess I will just have to find out!

[socialistpete]

Thats Awesome!!!!!!! I plan on buying a second 1000w HPS myself. Be careful with those seeds from the Hermie they will have the tendency to Hermie.:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::stoned: