7 reasons to support George W. Bush

[psykoactive420]

EVEN REASONS TO SUPPORT George W. Bush

1. George W. Bush has worked with Congress, unlike the Democratics there now.

2. George W. Bush led us into a legal war, because Iraq broke the Gulf War agreements.

3. George W. Bush has engineered a flourishing economy.

4. George W. Bush has to work with the most corrupt congress in American history.

5. George W. Bush has legally spied on American citizens thank goodness!

6. George W. Bush has had to work to stop terrorists who fight with no rules.

7. George W. Bush has istilled pride in our military .

[eg420ne]

WoW! i laughed- great satire....

[eg420ne]

Oh man your serious, my bad;)

[Matt the Funk]

George Bush has been a horrible president on sooo many points. It's like he doesn't have a fucking brain.

[rebgirl420]

Well as one of the what, 3 semi republicans here this is going to be a field day when the rest of the members find this...*plays taps*

[Meggz420]

This is a joke.... right?.... RIGHT?????

[Matt the Funk]

Well as one of the what, 3 semi republicans here this is going to be a field day when the rest of the members find this...*plays taps* Being a republican has NOTHING to do with how horrible of a president he is. You can look at him from either a democratic or republican standpoint, and he is horrible.

[rebgirl420]

Well, I dont really think so but whatever. Sure he's not one of my faves but I think he gets a much worse rap than what he deserves. But thats just my 2 cents.

[psykoactive420]

I remember the same rhetoric about Ford, Reagan, Clinton

Is there 'ever' a president that isnt a 'idiot' or tool for the corporate powers?

Reagan was described as worst president in history during his 2 terms, now he is being written as a great man.

Clinton, well didnt he get impeached?

[Markass]

I hate him. What about our national debt? What about $80 million a day in Iraq? What about the way he lied us into a war that has been ongoing for 4 years now, only to be the deadliest to our military at this point than it ever has been? What about him pardoning his buddy scooter libby? What a great president...not. What about our gas prices? His entire administration is corrupt and have their own hidden agenda...that's not how a president should be.

[rebgirl420]

And what about Kennedy!?

A man that almost started ww3, assasinated leaders of other sovereign states and got us into a war with south east asia. I guess you all have forgotten the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.

[eg420ne]

yea for lying about a BJ....but we have this Bush Regime and its crimes aganist Iraq, and the American People....i rather have a prez lying about a BJ then a prez lying to the world and the AMERICAN people into a WAR

[eg420ne]

And what about Kennedy!?

A man that almost started ww3, assasinated leaders of other sovereign states and got us into a war with south east asia. I guess you all have forgotten the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.

WHHHAAA he almost started WAR3...please post a link to that....

[rebgirl420]

I dont need a freaking link, it was over Vietnam. I know my history for gods sakes im becoming a history teacher.

wow, but anyway theres no use posting pro Bush ANYTHING on this site. Its a lost cause. Its like going to a Michael Moore movie and talking about the NRA.

[eg420ne]

Where the link

[psykoactive420]

LOL RG420!

so true

I'd like to be able to go say.. 3 yrs into the future and see the same hogwash being said about the next pres.. wether it be R or D

[psykoactive420]

Where the link


if a link was provided I feel you would just dismiss it as political propaganda, unless it came from Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com: The Earth Is Being Turned Into A Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com) then of course, it would be as truthful as could be.

[eg420ne]

The only time i know that we were on a verge of ww3 was the Cuban missile thing with Russia, and if it wasnt for JFK then the Russian would of already have nukes in Cuba, maybe they still do

[eg420ne]

if a link was provided I feel you would just dismiss it as political propaganda, unless it came from Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com: The Earth Is Being Turned Into A Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com) then of course, it would be as truthful as could be.

I would dismiss a link from prisonplanet anytime....just cause it came from pp does not mean it true, right p4b.....and still no link

[Markass]

And what about Kennedy!?

A man that almost started ww3, assasinated leaders of other sovereign states and got us into a war with south east asia. I guess you all have forgotten the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.

and the government assassinated him for that...but he didn't deceive his own country for 4 years.

[rebgirl420]

if a link was provided I feel you would just dismiss it as political propaganda, unless it came from Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com: The Earth Is Being Turned Into A Prison Planet (http://www.prisonplanet.com) then of course, it would be as truthful as could be.

Exactly! Or the daily kos for that matter.

I think the whole "anti bush" crap is more of a "fashionable" thing. Its "cool" to hate bush. I mean teenagers blindly follow this crap. They make these strong opinions yet get all their info from comedy central shows and green day songs. Im sure a good bit of these anti bush people fall in that category. Not all (read this people), but many.

[eg420ne]

Exactly! Or the daily kos for that matter.

I think the whole "anti bush" crap is more of a "fashionable" thing. Its "cool" to hate bush. I mean teenagers blindly follow this crap. They make these strong opinions yet get all their info from comedy central shows and green day songs. Im sure a good bit of these anti bush people fall in that category. Not all (read this people), but many.

All i can say is...WoW!

[psykoactive420]

WHHHAAA he almost started WAR3...please post a link to that....


And what about Kennedy!?

A man that almost started ww3, assasinated leaders of other sovereign states and got us into a war with south east asia. I guess you all have forgotten the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam.



Didnt Kennedy approve of the assassination of Vietnam' president and then 3 weeks later got killed himself?

Kennedy was ready to send the troops from Florida to Cuba during the 'missile crisis' and if so it is now reported the Soviets would have launched their surface-surface missiles already armed with nuclear tip'd weapons onto the US mainland.

The Kennedy family was grooming themselves for years and years for high political offices, starting with his father which ended during WW2 as a representative to England when he supported Adolph Hitler.

His son was killed and the younger son John took the lead and with pull from higher ups made his way to the white house.

Dont get me wrong I think John F. was a good pres. But there is faults in everybody.

[psykoactive420]

Exactly! Or the daily kos for that matter.

I think the whole "anti bush" crap is more of a "fashionable" thing. Its "cool" to hate bush. I mean teenagers blindly follow this crap. They make these strong opinions yet get all their info from comedy central shows and green day songs. Im sure a good bit of these anti bush people fall in that category. Not all (read this people), but many.



You nailed that 1 on the head RG420!!

go girl
:rastasmoke:

[eg420ne]

Faults in everybody, but we are here now..not then.....we having a lying ass criminal government running rampant......and to see people double dipping in the kool-aid, really makes me sick.......

[rebgirl420]

^Which is exactly what im trying to say. Hate Bush all you want but to compare him to the worst president or Hitler or whatever is insane! He's no Jefferson but theres been sooooo much worse!

[psykoactive420]

eg420ne:

Im not tryin to diss on ya, but is there ANYTHING the US has ever done that you approve?

[eg420ne]

Hey didnt Prescott Bush helped out the Nazis as well....and his son the head of the CIA became President along with his Son......

[eg420ne]

eg420ne:

Im not tryin to diss on ya, but is there ANYTHING the US has ever done that you approve?Not lately...When the US government does away with its War on Drugs, then ask me that again

[psykoactive420]

The Iraq War is MORAL. One hundred thousand innocent Iraqis have died. Now the U.S. is there to save lives and restore order.

The Iraq War is LEGAL. The United Nations dozens of resolutions agains Iraq, that were ignored and Iraq broke the Gulf war terms.

The Iraq War is DANGEROUS. We are at risk of stumbling into a much larger war each day we remain......... I agree.

The Iraq War is exposing TERRORISTS.

The Iraq War is an ILL-ADVISED ADVENTURE. The main strength of our army is encircled and exposed deep in Southwest Asia. ...That is so dumb I cannot respond!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Iraq War is EXPENSIVE. Gee we shouldn't have fought Hitler and Tojo...too expensive!!!!!!.


I cant believe i got a neg rep for my post! LOL wow!

[psykoactive420]

I think Prescott Bush was fined for selling supplies to a 3rd party company that made its way to Nazi Germany, where Mr. Kennedy was politically outspoken for support of Hitler, much like Henry Ford (and yes I drive a mustang).

Good point tho eg!

[rebgirl420]

The Kennedy line is awful. When I think Kennedy I think that bloated drunk bastard Teddy. He got drunk, drove a car over a bridge, killed the girl inside, ran (the other Kennedy's took him to the compound, cleaned him up), and now the guy is senator.....nice.

Oh and heres your LINK to the Ted Kennedy thing
YTedK -Ted Kennedy: the truth about Chappaquiddick, and more... (http://www.ytedk.com/)

[eg420ne]

Wasnt fine that he was arrested-prescott bush.

[eg420ne]

The Kennedy line is awful. When I think Kennedy I think that bloated drunk bastard Teddy. He got drunk, drove a car over a bridge, killed the girl inside, ran (the other Kennedy's took him to the compound, cleaned him up), and now the guy is senator.....nice.

Oh and heres your LINK to the Ted Kennedy thing
YTedK -Ted Kennedy: the truth about Chappaquiddick, and more... (http://www.ytedk.com/)

its no doubt about the kennedys, but where here in the 21first century....

[psykoactive420]

With all the flooding right now in the midwest I heard that Senator Ted Kennedy has been placed in charge of the underwater search & rescue teams.


lol
.. ok that was just 'wrong' but imma post it anyway.

[eg420ne]

Oh but how many Retardlivcans been arrested with pedo like games on kids......

[psykoactive420]

eg, i just googled your comment about prescott bush being arrested, I was not aware of that.

[rebgirl420]

Yes, yes we are. My point just is is that he's not the worst. Trust me, theres a shit load of stuff I dont agree with when it comes to Bush. Im for abortion and gay rights and im even atheist. I just think he takes alot more crap then he deserves.

Like everyone mocking him b/c when he speaks sometimes he screws up. Please like everyone else hasn't had that happen to them a bunch of times. He's not an idiot. Besides he doesnt have much power anyway. If you want to hate people hate congress and the senate.

Besides its no better on the democrats side. Those people are just as shady if not more.

[eg420ne]

Well gem n gals i will leave you all alone with this quote from our good pal george---â??You can fool some of the people all the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on.â?�

[psykoactive420]

Oh but how many Retardlivcans been arrested with pedo like games on kids......

repubs, democrats, independants, liberals, atheists, religous leaders all have been busted lately for pedophile, male-male prostitution, drug use (specifically that leader of the church last year) and others.

even that leader of the mormons out in utah that is wanted for child molestation and was (or currently still is) being protected by people in his faith, he is wanted for marrying off young girls to older men (multiple wifes) and for sex w/under age girls himself.

so a persons political or religous views cant be used as a tool to classify them.

[eg420ne]

Yeah they alll evil bastards....kickem all out put the enitre cannabis crue up in congress and the whitehouse, and we can call it the green house

[psykoactive420]

so we can agree!

w00t

[rebgirl420]

Wow eg, I think thats the smartest thing I ever heard a liberal say.

[rantingsweed]

lol i heard him say on the radio the other day "if we knew where they were, we'd be able to find them" duhhh haha.

[Matt the Funk]

lol i heard him say on the radio the other day "if we knew where they were, we'd be able to find them" duhhh haha.Lol this is exactly what I am talking about. The man is a fucking dumbass. And everything he does is done spur of the moment without consultation with his council of evil motherfuckers. For one, the war is a complete horrible waste of time and resources. And we basically trained sadam, put him in power, then years later execute him? WTF. And everything about the war was gone about wrong, even if you support it. He has gone against everything talked about in the art of war. Horrible president, just horrible. He has no charisma either. I could go on. On and I would like to add, I am neither democrat or republic. Fuck political parties. Just pick and choose what you like, not what your group likes.

[I Justburn 247]

heh... WWIII? Yeah well you can thank ol' Bush for that one guy. All he had to do was piss one influential leader off in the Middle East (Osama bin Laden) and it will be hell for years to come. He has provoked disastrous civil war among sovereign nations and the resulting instability and ever present religious tension..well let's just say this is far from over whether WE withdraw tomorrow or ten years from now. Our president's foreign policy is laughable. His ignorance of culture and ideals outside his own ranch which he has spent 400-somethin vacation days at over the past 6 years is a disgrace. And before the backlash I am refering to the military bases the US still has operating on Islamic holy ground in the middle east. Had Bush listened when he was asked to move them in the first place well we wouldn't have had anything like Sept. 11 that's for sure..ugh I could go on and on it's really just too easy

[qdavid]

The Kennedy line is awful. When I think Kennedy I think that bloated drunk bastard Teddy. He got drunk, drove a car over a bridge, killed the girl inside, ran (the other Kennedy's took him to the compound, cleaned him up), and now the guy is senator.....nice.


I read the name law group representing Kennedy in that case was Licker, Dicker, and Dunker.

[TallCoolOne]

Wow eg, I think thats the smartest thing I ever heard a liberal say.

Someone needs a hearing aid. Also, a history teacher? LOL, wow I can only think of 5 presidents that MIGHT be considered worse then Bush. Of course, Dubya is no Warren G. Harding....that man makes Wilson look like FDR.

Also, rebgirl, as a furture teacher and a person capable of rational thought, please tell me you don't agree with that no child left behind bullshit. Its one of the dumbfest things congress has ever approved..... "If your students don't meet requirements, you lose your job and your school loses funding!" ....brilliant.

[Jouryokujin]

I can't stand Bush, but it's not because I'm a blind follower of the latest political trend...Warrantless wiretapping and misleading people to start the Iraq war (every ex soldier I've talked to is against it, and they were all hardcore conservative republicans. a couple were stationed in Iraq not too long ago and say it's hell, and things haven't gotten any better. They all describe the war as a waste of time and lives. One soldier, from my general area, sent a letter home denouncing the war in Iraq sometime before he was killed there). I take their statements to heart more than the statements of any adult that gets their info from Rupert Murdoch.

I don't see how someone can complain "JFK almost started WWIII *cough cough* Vietnam..." and then say "Bush ain't so bad though"...It's kinda like saying McDonald's is disgustingly unhealthy and taking your buck to Wendy's. They both took a shit on the world. I'm for that "Green House" idea someone mentioned previously, 100%.

JFK fucked up a lot, and the only thing I really agreed with him on was his idea of disbanding many government agencies such as the CIA. I still think this desperately needs to be done. The Family Jewels and words of a specific former CIA agent convinced me completely.

If I hated Presidents as people just because I don't agree with the majority of their policies, I'd hate every one of them (including Ron Paul, who I actually like and consider to be one of my personal top 3 candidates this election)...but I don't look at things that way. If every president did at least one major positive thing for society, that's one more step towards paradise...I don't see a single thing Bush has done as being beneficial to society as a whole. Quite the contrary (no child left behind is a biggie, along with the Iraq War). He seems to have set the US, if not the human race, back 35-50 years. Read extensively about US politics from the 60s/70s and you'll know what I mean.

With that said, I don't think republicans are any worse than Democrats. I only wish misinformation wasn't such a large part of American politics. Like I said earlier, eg420 needs to enact that Green House shit so we can ALL be happy.

[jakez]

I dont need a freaking link, it was over Vietnam. I know my history for gods sakes im becoming a history teacher.

wow, but anyway theres no use posting pro Bush ANYTHING on this site. Its a lost cause. Its like going to a Michael Moore movie and talking about the NRA.

If you're going to be telling everyone how everything happened before they were born, please for the sake of mankind do some research on how this planet is really run..

[Captain Jack Sparrow]

Foolishness, even the most die hard republicans I know don't support the guy or his policies. Most of his followers, very few by now, are usually just far right wing neo-con assholes.

So no, sorry, Dubya will NOT be written as a hero years from now. And you can keep comparing him to worse presidents of the past but that still doesn't change the fact that he IS without a doubt one of the worst presidents this country has ever had and one of the worst world leaders to ever grace planet Earth.

I'm just as tired as everyone else of the war and the division in the US right now and can't wait for a new commander in chief, whether it be republican or democrat, preferably the latter, to unify and fix our country internally before worrying about fixing the rest of the world.

[Jouryokujin]

Most of his followers, very few by now, are usually just far right wing neo-con assholes.

and completely misled.


I'm just as tired as everyone else of the war and the division in the US right now and can't wait for a new commander in chief, whether it be republican or democrat, preferably the latter, to unify and fix our country internally before worrying about fixing the rest of the world.

Just not Obama...He supports the Patriot Act.

[medicinal]

The Iraq War is MORAL. One hundred thousand innocent Iraqis have died. Now the U.S. is there to save lives and restore order.

The Iraq War is LEGAL. The United Nations dozens of resolutions agains Iraq, that were ignored and Iraq broke the Gulf war terms.

The Iraq War is DANGEROUS. We are at risk of stumbling into a much larger war each day we remain......... I agree.

The Iraq War is exposing TERRORISTS.

The Iraq War is an ILL-ADVISED ADVENTURE. The main strength of our army is encircled and exposed deep in Southwest Asia. ...That is so dumb I cannot respond!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Iraq War is EXPENSIVE. Gee we shouldn't have fought Hitler and Tojo...too expensive!!!!!!.


I cant believe i got a neg rep for my post! LOL wow!I can't believe you believe this bundle of crap. You must have got ahold of some really bad drugs.

[medicinal]

I think Prescott Bush was fined for selling supplies to a 3rd party company that made its way to Nazi Germany, where Mr. Kennedy was politically outspoken for support of Hitler, much like Henry Ford (and yes I drive a mustang).
Good point tho eg!No fucking wonder you're so crazy, a Ford guy!

[medicinal]

I can't stand Bush, but it's not because I'm a blind follower of the latest political trend...Warrantless wiretapping and misleading people to start the Iraq war (every ex soldier I've talked to is against it, and they were all hardcore conservative republicans. a couple were stationed in Iraq not too long ago and say it's hell, and things haven't gotten any better. They all describe the war as a waste of time and lives. One soldier, from my general area, sent a letter home denouncing the war in Iraq sometime before he was killed there). I take their statements to heart more than the statements of any adult that gets their info from Rupert Murdoch.

I don't see how someone can complain "and then say "Bush ain't so bad though"...It's kinda like saying McDonald's is disgustingly unhealthy and taking your buck to Wendy's. They both took a shit on the world. I'm for that "Green House" idea someone mentioned previously, 100%.

JFK fucked up a lot, and the only thing I really agreed with him on was his idea of disbanding many government agencies such as the CIA. I still think this desperately needs to be done. The Family Jewels and words of a specific former CIA agent convinced me completely.

If I hated Presidents as people just because I don't agree with the majority of their policies, I'd hate every one of them (including Ron Paul, who I actually like and consider to be one of my personal top 3 candidates this election)...but I don't look at things that way. If every president did at least one major positive thing for society, that's one more step towards paradise...I don't see a single thing Bush has done as being beneficial to society as a whole. Quite the contrary (no child left behind is a biggie, along with the Iraq War). He seems to have set the US, if not the human race, back 35-50 years. Read extensively about US politics from the 60s/70s and you'll know what I mean.

With that said, I don't think republicans are any worse than Democrats. I only wish misinformation wasn't such a large part of American politics. Like I said earlier, eg420 needs to enact that Green House shit so we can ALL be happy.

JFK almost started WWIII *cough cough* Vietnam..." The reason JFK was killed was because he was going to pull out of Viet nam and the War profiteers decided to kill his ass.

[boston686]

ok i know someone mentioned the fact that its juss gunna take us fuckin forever to get out of the national debt

the fact that he didnt sign the kyoto agreement

oh yea lets not forget that if u work minimum wage its either between paying your bills or being able to drive to work

im dun approve of bush but im sure it could be worse(somehow dun ask me)

[boston686]

oh yeah

i support the greenhouse thing

[Cubanaso]

I wish Bill Hicks was still around, he'd tear up the Bush Administration

[TallCoolOne]

ok i know someone mentioned the fact that its juss gunna take us fuckin forever to get out of the national debt

the fact that he didnt sign the kyoto agreement

oh yea lets not forget that if u work minimum wage its either between paying your bills or being able to drive to work

im dun approve of bush but im sure it could be worse(somehow dun ask me)


in english? lol

[boston686]

how is that not in english?

ok

bush is one of those people who thinks global warming doesnt exsist or wont affect us to badly or that someone will invent something that stops it etc

gas costs to much

and umm were basically gunna be in debt forever
well not forever but its gunna take a while or a genius to get us outta it


plain enuff for u?

[TallCoolOne]

ok i know someone mentioned the fact that its juss gunna take us fuckin forever to get out of the national debt


im dun approve of bush but im sure it could be worse(somehow dun ask me)

Thats what i had trouble with: What is going to fuck us over?
And you dun approve of bush? lol Is that like "I DUN went and gone to the wal mart to picked some more camo pants."

[420_24/7]

EVEN REASONS TO SUPPORT George W. Bush

4. George W. Bush has to work with the most corrupt congress in American history.

5. George W. Bush has legally spied on American citizens thank goodness!

6. George W. Bush has had to work to stop terrorists who fight with no rules.

7. George W. Bush has istilled pride in our military .

If the congress is corrupt while any president is in office it doesnt make a difference in how good of a president he is, the way he deals with it is how it makes him better or worse, id say for this one, worse

How in the hell is spying on innocent fucking americans a good thing in any way. It is a breach of privacy and its unconstitutional

Once again just because he has to deal with this doesnt make him a good president, and he hasnt dealt with it well at all.

Id imagine most of military is not happy that they got sent of to some god forsaken country because some dumb rich bastard is in the white house.

[sam44]

if this is a joke then thats funny. if not then :wtf:

[sam44]

The Iraq War is MORAL. One hundred thousand innocent Iraqis have died. Now the U.S. is there to save lives and restore order.

LOL! Hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens of iraq have died since we INVADED their homeland. And we are still there to perpetuate the chaos and create money for the federal reserve.


The Iraq War is LEGAL. The United Nations dozens of resolutions agains Iraq, that were ignored and Iraq broke the Gulf war terms.

Bush declared war on iraq without the approval of congress. which is operating outside the laws of this country


The Iraq War is exposing TERRORISTS.


Terrorism is not nearly as big of a problem as the government would have you believe. Its just away for them to justify taking away our rights. The so called "insurgents" we are fighting are just protecting their country from foreign invaders.


The Iraq War is EXPENSIVE. Gee we shouldn't have fought Hitler and Tojo...too expensive!!!!!!.

Iraq posed no threat to the US. 9/11 had nothing to do with iraq and furthermore, they didnt even have wmds.


I cant believe i got a neg rep for my post! LOL wow!

well heres some more :thumbsup:

You are seriously misguided and i urge you and all like you to break free of the government propaganda machine.

love,
sam

[sam44]

and completely misled.



Just not Obama...He supports the Patriot Act.


Yea republican or democrat, its really two sides of the same coin. Right now the best candidate looks like Ron Paul (even though i am very liberal). check him out. cause he hasnt got a snowballs chance in hell. or check out the green party.

ps sry for triple post

[TallCoolOne]

LOL! Hundreds of thousands of innocent citizens of iraq have died since we INVADED their homeland. And we are still there to perpetuate the chaos and create money for the federal reserve.

Don't you know two wrongs make a right? lol

[suhl]

EVEN REASONS TO SUPPORT George W. Bush

1. George W. Bush has worked with Congress, unlike the Democratics there now.

2. George W. Bush led us into a legal war, because Iraq broke the Gulf War agreements.

3. George W. Bush has engineered a flourishing economy.

4. George W. Bush has to work with the most corrupt congress in American history.

5. George W. Bush has legally spied on American citizens thank goodness!

6. George W. Bush has had to work to stop terrorists who fight with no rules.

7. George W. Bush has istilled pride in our military .

8. George W. Bush has a small penis.

:S2:

[Humboldt215]

No fucking wonder you're so crazy, a Ford guy!

driving a ford makes ya crazy? sheesh

[Humboldt215]

I saw a post earlier today in the main forum about how much "LOVE" is on this site and fellowship.

Apparently its only if you follow the political views of the outspoken.

Isnt this 'America' where you can say and believe what you want without repercussion?

Damn, I thought it was :mad:

Guess I was wrong.


.. if I had the same political views would you not buy my nugs from the local cannabis center?

[rebgirl420]

Yeah well I guess thats how some people fight. When they cant think of anything important they resort to name calling.

[UTD Toker]

I'm only 19 but common sense tells me several things:
1. Minimum wage is rediculous ($5.15 hr......wow)
2. Patriot Act (Big Brother is everywhere:()
3. Gas, enough said
4. War in middle east, cannabis being illegal....anyone seing something familiar? I think Big Brother has a problem of stepping up and telling it's citizens when they made a mistake....
5. National Debt
Don't get me wrong, on 9/12 I was right with everyone else, cursing "Towlheads" and saying we should invade the middle east and kick some ass, etc., but the truth is, everyday we stay in iraq, there will be more needless deaths oversees and our debt will just get more and more out of control. I don't know what should be done, but I sure hope we elect a leader next year that will know what to do....

[420_24/7]

8. George W. Bush has a small penis.

:S2:

hahahahahahahahahahahah:clap::clap::dance::dance:: thumbsup::D

[maik]

First, a lesson about Viet Nam to help the "history teacher" get a grip on the truth:

It's well known as fact that Eisenhower, a REPUBLICAN, sent the first US troops into Viet Nam to support the South Vietmnamese. In November, 1955, the Military Assistance Advisory Group was sent to train the South Vietnamese Army. The first of these advisors to die was in 1959.

You can see that the United States was already assisting and well invested into the war in NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE
NUMBER 63.1-3-55.

Second, I have to wonder how Kennedy almost started WW3... It was the Soviets who were sending nuclear missiles to Cuba. This was a violation of the United States, as it violated the Monroe Doctrine (Very well-known in US history), which was held as law and foreign policy - a presidential order, if you will.

Now, about the Iraq war...

Sure, Iraq violated the UN terms. BUT, the UN NEVER gave approval for ANY military action against Iraq. The US started a "war of aggression" on Iraq because of the lack of UN approval.

As a member of the UN, and a signatory to the Geneva Convention, when the President directed this war at Iraq, he made an OUTRIGHT violation of the US Constitution, and at the same time, became a WAR CRIMINAL.

He also violated the Constitution in the illegal wiretapping (already been determined to be illegal in several courts) program which illegally spies on US citizens.

Now, I'm not a republican, or a democrat. I'm registered independent, and I do vote, but only for those who would be able to lead. If there were Presidents worse than Bush, they have not been alive during my lifetime. They have not done so much damage to the international credibility of the US, as Bush has, and they have not killed as many innocent people as Bush has (Illegally) done in the past seven years.
I wish that there was one thing he's done that worked as he said it would, or that helped the country of the United Staes, as a whole. But there isn't...

[Jouryokujin]

I saw a post earlier today in the main forum about how much "LOVE" is on this site and fellowship.

Apparently its only if you follow the political views of the outspoken.

Isnt this 'America' where you can say and believe what you want without repercussion?

Damn, I thought it was :mad:

Guess I was wrong.


.. if I had the same political views would you not buy my nugs from the local cannabis center?

I think people just get angry when they've been shit upon so freely by a President that wasn't even elected by the people...These same people get angry when someone, obviously misled, supports this kind of a President. It makes people even angrier knowing someone like this is going to be a history teacher...Being spied on (which was unconstitutional...this issue has gone to court. I haven't been able to keep up on this story, but hopefully the judge makes the right decision) also pisses people off. No child left behind pisses people off. The war in Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but without 9/11 there would have been no war. That pisses people off, including soldiers that thought they were fighting for a reason, only to find out that reason was bullshit. Seems like everyone is pissed except for those that only watch fox news, msnbc, etc...That doesn't only piss the soldiers off. That pisses off other people. I could go on more about foreign policy, the patriot act, America's current economic situation, treatment of the troops, etc, but why do that when It wouldn't change the mind of a Bush supporter? I think Bush could personally go to Iraq to eat civilian Iraqi children live on TV, and Bush supporters would remain Bush supporters. I mean, he's pretty much done more against the general American public...

This thread reminds me, a history teacher I had in high school told the class I was a liar when I said Hoover was a crossdresser. Just thought I'd get that off my chest.

[Jouryokujin]

Also, a ton of troops are coming back with medical problems and nobody to help. Turns out, branches of the military refuse to pay for their treatment....good job huh?

[TallCoolOne]

First, a lesson about Viet Nam to help the "history teacher" get a grip on the truth:

It's well known as fact that Eisenhower, a REPUBLICAN, sent the first US troops into Viet Nam to support the South Vietmnamese. In November, 1955, the Military Assistance Advisory Group was sent to train the South Vietnamese Army. The first of these advisors to die was in 1959.

You can see that the United States was already assisting and well invested into the war in NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE ESTIMATE
NUMBER 63.1-3-55.

Second, I have to wonder how Kennedy almost started WW3... It was the Soviets who were sending nuclear missiles to Cuba. This was a violation of the United States, as it violated the Monroe Doctrine (Very well-known in US history), which was held as law and foreign policy - a presidential order, if you will.

Now, about the Iraq war...

Sure, Iraq violated the UN terms. BUT, the UN NEVER gave approval for ANY military action against Iraq. The US started a "war of aggression" on Iraq because of the lack of UN approval.

As a member of the UN, and a signatory to the Geneva Convention, when the President directed this war at Iraq, he made an OUTRIGHT violation of the US Constitution, and at the same time, became a WAR CRIMINAL.

He also violated the Constitution in the illegal wiretapping (already been determined to be illegal in several courts) program which illegally spies on US citizens.

Now, I'm not a republican, or a democrat. I'm registered independent, and I do vote, but only for those who would be able to lead. If there were Presidents worse than Bush, they have not been alive during my lifetime. They have not done so much damage to the international credibility of the US, as Bush has, and they have not killed as many innocent people as Bush has (Illegally) done in the past seven years.
I wish that there was one thing he's done that worked as he said it would, or that helped the country of the United Staes, as a whole. But there isn't...


I can see it now "Oh yeah, class, Clinton caused 9/11 when he got a bj from a fattie intern, and World War II happened because of a cripple DUMB-O-crat! Thats the history lesson for today. Now, do any of you children feel left behind?"

lol dumb-o-crat

[rebgirl420]

Yes you caught me, I must be a complete idiot for having a different view than 90 some percent of people here. No need for the ridicule.

If you dont agree fine, but don't act like a jerk about it.

[TallCoolOne]

Yes you caught me, I must be a complete idiot for having a different view than 90 some percent of people here. No need for the ridicule.

If you dont agree fine, but don't act like a jerk about it.
It wasn't personal, in fact i was thinking of this man: http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/colbert-dailyshow.jpg

Remember: "Truthiness.....Now I'm sure some of the Word Police, the wordanistas over at Webster's, are gonna say, 'Hey, that's not a word.' Well, anybody who knows me knows that I'm no fan of dictionaries or reference books. They're elitist. Constantly telling us what is or isn't true, or what did or didn't happen. Who's Britannica to tell me the Panama Canal was finished in 1914? If I wanna say it happened in 1941, that's my right. I don't trust books. They're all fact, no heart."

[rebgirl420]

haha well, I guess id rather be like Colbert if I had the choice:thumbsup:

[the image reaper]

most importantly, President Bush has moved the 'Theater of Operations', (war-zone), from downtown New York City, to downtown Baghdad ... war is truly 'hell', and it's best to have 'hell' situated elsewhere, whenever possible ... :smokin:

[Jouryokujin]

There's a difference between having a different view on something because the facts support an alternate belief (ex: Person A votes for Obama because he supports universal health care while Person B votes against him since Obama supports the patriot act) and having a different view on something because your facts are wrong (ex: "Bush is supported by more than 50% of Americans so he's doing a good job"....when in reality its more around 30-40%...)or peripheral facts are being withheld (ex: "Bush didn't do anything illegal"...when in reality that's only because he changed the law so that none of his actions were illegal).

Supporters of Bush always seem to fall into the last two categories (I must admit there are a few that are in the first category and just don't mind being spied on illegally, don't mind our troops being killed senselessly since they're not the ones dying, don't have a problem with our school system because they aren't in school and neither are their kids, etc).

I've seen a lot of real facts from the Bush haters...The supporters have yet to show any...All they've shown was "Well one thing he did wasn't quite as bad as what another President did before I was born"...That's pathetic. I'm not being a dick. I honestly want to hear some facts of what Bush has done that makes him "not so bad." Considering all the negativity he's brought, he must have done something absolutely fantastic to make him not so bad right? The closest thing I've heard to a fact from a Bush supporter on this thread was "The war is legal"...well...that's not exactly true, and even if it was that wouldn't make it a good thing....

[I Justburn 247]

most importantly, President Bush has moved the 'Theater of Operations', (war-zone), from downtown New York City, to downtown Baghdad ... war is truly 'hell', and it's best to have 'hell' situated elsewhere, whenever possible ... :smokin:

I really hope you don't truly think that.

A war-zone..in NYC? not quite. This is the same misunderstanding of war that our entire nation needs to be held accountable for. If every citizen in our country truly understood what it meant for their country to "be at war" then we would never have let this go on for as long as it has with so many lives lost and families destroyed. I won't even get into the more materialistic downfalls such as the billions upon billions of dollars spent that could completelyyy resolve hunger and education in the US. I really wish someone had read my post earlier.. 9/11 was not this malicious attack waged by blood thirsty islamic radicals for no other reason than to see the 'civilized white people society suffer' as the media would like you to believe. It was retalliation!!!! We STARTED this and in my opinion it could have been far worse and 9/11 was just their first virgin trial. Do you honestly think an attack as elaborate as this is the brainfart of Osama bin Laden who just simply had nothing better to do? It is however the culmination and result of terrible foreign policy on part of the US. If maybe we respected the cultures and ideals of others outside our own border we would know that we should just probably maybe at our leisure get our fucking military bases and oil interests the fuck off islamic holy land. Yeah, put a military base in the Vatican and see what happens.. and that is by NO means an exaggeration of the analogy because it is unfair to undermine what is valued by one culture over another.

I seem to remember a far worse act of retalliation..say um maybe dropping two nukes on two innocent cities? Yeah you don't see Japan still in our face about that shit...

Politicians wake up! Respect other nations and cultures in this world and learn from your goddamn fucking mistakes..

and stay high.

[rebgirl420]

Okay heres a few, the second admendment. He's never wavered on that. And to me, thats one of the main reasons I call myself a republican.

He also didnt cave in to all that socialized medicine crap. Which I happen to disagree with greatly.

He also kept taxes low and our dow jones and such is the highest its ever been.

[rebgirl420]

^Oh and Japan was NOT a mistake. Thats the smartest shit the U.S. has ever done when it comes to war. Hell, I think we should have gone Patton on Europes ass and took everything. Then go to China and Russia too. Enough of this U.N. crap. Joining the U.N. was one of the worst mistakes we ever did.

[I Justburn 247]

He also kept taxes low and our dow jones and such is the highest its ever been.

Do you really think those two very vague and pretty much meaningless statements are in any way reasonable indicators of the state of our economy? You'd have to dig deep back into the Clinton years to find out what true success can be measured in.. a BALANCED budget. You won't here talk of one of those probably in our lifetime as a result of what we have done in Iraq under the Bush administration

Stay high.

[I Justburn 247]

^Oh and Japan was NOT a mistake. Thats the smartest shit the U.S. has ever done when it comes to war. Hell, I think we should have gone Patton on Europes ass and took everything. Then go to China and Russia too. Enough of this U.N. crap. Joining the U.N. was one of the worst mistakes we ever did.

Is that what your are goin to teach your students?! My jaw is really on the floor right now. Find me a history teacher on any planet anywhere else to condone an act of war. You would have been better off you use the word "justified" however you would not been able to argue that. To say that the killing of any single person or group of people for any reason is "smart shit" well you're just absolutely outta your mind. I can name you 129uG23.4 treaties that were "smarter" acts when "it comes to war."

Somehow as a history teacher you weren't able to pick up on the concept of warfare. You have no idea what it means to be out in the middle of nowhere with a lethal weapon and thousands of people roaming around trying to kill you... and for what? That post was disgusting and I'm really sorry about how I'm starting to come off but at this point I don't care.

And you're right we should have NEVER joined the UN (originally League of Nations) even though we started it.. you really just don't know what you're talkin about do you?

Stay high.
Stay high.

[Jouryokujin]

Hell, I think we should have gone Patton on Europes ass and took everything.

This explains a lot...

But really, you honestly think Bush is ok because he's never waivered on the second amendment (the right to bear arms was taken away from the people of New Orleans after Katrina, by the way...People refused to admit that until fairly recently for some reason)? He never slapped my mom in the face with his testacles either, but I hate him because of the things he actually did rather than approve of him for all the things he didn't do. I was hoping for too much from you as a supporter...Like I was expecting an epiphany that would make me accept the fact he wiped his ass with the constitution (only a little corn got on the 2nd amendment though, I guess).

So are you saying you fit into the last group (see my last post. 2nd paragraph)?

On another note, we do agree that the right to bear arms is a necessary right and we seem to agree that the UN should be abolished/never been made in the first place (In my opinion, along with the CIA and a whole slew of other government-oriented/run organizations).

[rebgirl420]

Well its not always pretty but its the truth. Sure, no one SHOULD have to die in any act of war. War is a horrible, horrible thing. I know this, my brother is a sergent of infantry in Iraq as we speak and my father and my grandfather were both in the service too.

It's just that the world isnt perfect and nice. Its a dog eat dog world out there and peace doesnt work unless EVERYONE is doing it and our competators would slit our throats the minute we even showed weakness for a second.

And no, im not teaching my future students my views or your views for that matter. They will be taught from the book and the things that go with that. A pretty unbiased view of the world and its history. Let them decide when they have all that info themse;ves when they become older.

[junther22]

durr heehe bu$$h sux

man those kind of anti bush people are almost as stupid as the people who still support him

[rebgirl420]

And hun, dont group me in with a crazy Bush supporter, im not really a "republican". I just have some republican-ish views. I really fall into the libertarian thing.

And yeah I bet we agree on a bunch of shit non Bush related. Like I dunno, religion maybe and gay rights and pro choice matters.

[Jouryokujin]

ah...This thread makes me want to homeschool my kids, but at the same time I want them to see how rediculous other people can be. I have to switch to a different thread now. I feel like I'm screaming into the ear of Helen Keller, and that's just kind of uncomfortable. Time to smoke a bowl and move to something less political for the time being.

[I Justburn 247]

yeah forreal as an educator you should know the texts especially history are FAR from unbiased. It's always in terms of the US how it benefits us or how someone is supposedly against things that benefit us. That pretty easily sums it up. Strive to implement real facts and historical documentation into your lessons..and posts while you're at it

[I Justburn 247]

Oh man and how could you possibly disagree with "socialized medicine"?! jeez, especially in today's society..and wait by socialized medicine..you DO mean healthcare for every citizen of this country regardless of wealth right? this is one of those things in politics that simply cannot be argued against.. how on earth do you justify denying someone healthcare they need..that is beyond me..unless of course you ALSO are being paid off by the HMOs? which still wouldn't really explain that

[rebgirl420]

well heres some of Canada's issues with it, from the mouth of one of the doctors

"I soon discovered that the problems went well beyond overcrowded ERs. Patients had to wait for practically any diagnostic test or procedure, such as the man with persistent pain from a hernia operation whom we referred to a pain clinic - with a three-year wait list; or the woman with breast cancer who needed to wait four months for radiation therapy, when the standard of care was four weeks. overnment researchers now note that more than 1.5 million Ontarians (or 12% of that province's population) can't find family physicians. Health officials in one Nova Scotia community actually resorted to a lottery to determine who'd get a doctor's appointment. These problems are not unique to Canada - they characterize all government-run health care systems.

Canadian doctors, long silent on the health care system's problems, are starting to speak up. Last August, they voted Brian Day president of their national association. Day has become perhaps the most vocal critic of Canadian public health care, having opened his own private surgery center and challenging the government to shut him down.

And now even Canadian governments are looking to the private sector to shrink the waiting lists. In British Columbia, private clinics perform roughly 80% of government-funded diagnostic testing."

[MadSativa]

Sup Reb I just saw the thread ...............and had to add Bush is a moron...............he has never done any good him self it was always some eleses idea. Hes a puppet selling lies and his actions are ludacrist. I cant belive he has been in office for 8 years. It is hard to even express this cause I hate the man, He is here today or tomarrow and I have been asked to stay clear and I must comply.. Bunch of bullshit comes to my town my state and my community; but I have respect for my people and county and that is why Im here and not over their. Just hate that guy though

[Humboldt215]

I dont know enough about socialized health care to make a informative decision as there are ALOT of variables involved but it seems to me that a free market society demands growth and if medicine became socialized there would be no incentive to seek newer techniques or drugs, as the people who currently are in those positions would not be making the same wages they are now, true its driven by money and profit, but isnt that why we 'ALL WORK'? to earn money and better our lives, sure there are the few humanitarians (spell check) out there that dont care ab out the all might monetary figure, but they are few and far in between.

Not long ago in Canada, a woman came to USA to deliver her child because the Canadian doctors told her they could not care for her baby there in Canada as it didnt have the proper facilities. but USA did (competition and growth). Also waiting months and months just for regular visits.

I dont claim to know jack squat about socialized medicine, but it seems to me like a disaster.

Is there a socialized system of medicine in any country that currently beats the care of a free market system? I dont know.

I would love to have free health/dental care as it is spendy, I just dont think it is good for long term though.

[rebgirl420]

^yes but nothing is "free" have fun paying taxes through the ass! Just like welfare.

[Matt the Funk]

durr heehe bu$$h sux

man those kind of anti bush people are almost as stupid as the people who still support him Bush does fucking suck. And stereotyping people because their views follow a trend isn't cool or funny.

[Hardcore Newbie]

I'm a Canadian and I love my health care, doctor visits, and such. it works for the most part, no system is perfect.

[rebgirl420]

^Yes and if you dearly love socialized medicine and your American and you hate Bush and all that jazz then move to Canada or the UK. Please. (im not talking to you, as I am aware that you are indeed Canadian.)

[Matt the Funk]

^Yes and if you dearly love socialized medicine and your American and you hate Bush and all that jazz then move to Canada or the UK. Please. (im not talking to you, as I am aware that you are indeed Canadian.) I don't care so much about health care, but Bush is an awful president. There is much corruption in the world in general too. It's innevitable wherever you go. But saying we should move is just BS. Just because there is some dumbfuck trying to lead our country and fucking over everyones rights to keep his and his friends agenda's doesn't mean we hate the US. It means we hate the person in charge. The 2nd verse of the song "Freedom of Speech" by Immortal Technique some-what gives my view on our goverment.
" I guess to America I'm a disaster
A slave that was destined to own his masters
Independent in every single sense of the word
I say what I want, you fuckin little sensitive herb
This is America, I thought we had freedom of speech
But now you want try to control the way that I speak
And O'Reilly you think that you a patriot?
You ain't nothing but a motherfuckin racist bitch
Fulla hatred, pressin a button trying to inject me
But I ain't got no motherfuckin deal with Pepsi
No corporate sponser telling me what to do
Asking me to tone it down during the interview
Tryin' to minimize the issue, but I'm keeping it large
I love the place that I live, but I hate the people in charge
Speakin is hard when you got strings attached
So I'm a say it for you 'cause I ain't got none o' that
And if you didn't understand what I spit at your brain
Aiyyo son, let this little ***** explan: "

[rebgirl420]

Im not talking about just the Bush haters tho. Lets just imagine the man is out of office and someone else is there. I dunno democrat or republican (fingers crossed Ron Paul). Theres always those people tho who just bitch and bitch about how they hate america and they hate what we stand for and they go on and on about how great other countries are. Its like nothing is ever good enough for some people.

[Humboldt215]

If US is so bad and evil why is everybody trying to get here? Ok maybe its citizens of 3rd world countries like in central america (for example) that are flooding our borders, but how many people currently living in USA, of those how many leave? There might be a few but overall percentages? I would gamble it is extremely low.

[rebgirl420]

Maybe but you sure see it alot on the news and on the toob...wonder why..

[maik]

About people leaving the United States...

Of course the number is low. But look at the numbers of US citizens going to Canada... there hasn't been such a "rush for the border" since the Continental Army began kicking butt, and the Tories started running.

One reason why people don't leave is because they don't have enough money to just go someplace else.

Another reason why many people don't just leave the US is because they can't. To go to Canada or Australia (examples because they speak english, and it would be easier) you actually must have higher education, solid professional work skills, or an amount of money to invest.

A lot of US citizens have left the states. I don't blame them. When you're raising a family, you want the best for them, and the current educational system isn't that good (intelligent design, and all), and the US is 42nd (1st being the best) or higher in terms of infant mortality.

Even the money to be made in the US is horrifying. Even with the raise in the minimum wage, your money is worth far less than 12 years ago, if you make the minimum.

Only a few years ago, there was a federal surplus of money, now it's a deficit again, since six plus years ago, and into the TRILLIONS of dollars.

I'm sure everything will get better, and that's where all the folks who left end up winning. If you become a citizen of another country, the US government still considers you an American citizen. These people hold two passports, and two completely different identity backgrounds. Earning euros is much better than earning dollars these days. And once you leave the US, the health care really is a lot better, and MUCH more affordable. Without problems, too.

[sam44]

Im not talking about just the Bush haters tho. Lets just imagine the man is out of office and someone else is there. I dunno democrat or republican (fingers crossed Ron Paul). Theres always those people tho who just bitch and bitch about how they hate america and they hate what we stand for and they go on and on about how great other countries are. Its like nothing is ever good enough for some people.

yea dude, ron paul is the only hope for turning this country around

RON PAUL 08' WHOOOHOO. and not just cause he supports legalization.

[I Justburn 247]

free is better than not at all. this is America let's be serious there will be benefits to those who can pay and those with little or no income but to say that any one person should NOT be treated under any circumstance is absolutely disgusting

Stay high

[Humboldt215]

nobody is turned away from any emergency room for health care, and as far as socialized medicine, can the current welfare (medical) program offered in the states be the equivelant of socialized medicine, as it costs the person nothing?

I myself dont qualify for the free medical program, but I see lots of people who do and them are the one's who dont have a job or income source, and there is plenty of clinics which offer sliding scale fee's dependant upon your income, I am not saying this is TOP NOTCH medical care, but I feel its about the same as you'd get in any other free medical based system.


food for thought.

[BlAzInIt4:20]

I saw the title and i couldnt do anything but laugh... Bush is an awful president and it's supporters like you who have no sence at all in what hes capable of. I mean like iv said before in previous threads did anyone watch the debate? I can't believe he still won after that. Stutttterrss and alsos repeats himself over and over, he has no sence at all. And when he talk's you would think he's slow in the head. Yeah that who we want running our country right?> lmao noo

[Humboldt215]

Back in '04 we had a choice, Bush or Kerry

I feel Bush was by far the better choice of the "TWO".

[rebgirl420]

^Oh no, remember all the Bush elections were rigged!;)

[Humboldt215]

heh, thats right!!!

BuschCo Neo-Cons!!

[BlAzInIt4:20]

i don't think kerry was fit for president at all either. Both men are stupid IMO.

[rebgirl420]

^thats a very good point. Just like in the situation now. I dont like any of the candidates all the way. Ron Paul is the closest to me. Why cant we have a "Take em' all back and try again" option? haha

[BlAzInIt4:20]

^thats a very good point. Just like in the situation now. I dont like any of the candidates all the way. Ron Paul is the closest to me. Why cant we have a "Take em' all back and try again" option? haha

haha That sounds good to me. I thought it was suppose to be our choice anyhow, Why do we end up getting stuck with candidates that we never fully like.... To bad i missed the JFK years..

[Humboldt215]

I jsut saw this on Craigs List



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[rebgirl420]

haha exactly! Now its like, "well hmmm who do you hate less?" it shouldnt be like that. I say we bring back Jefferson, the man smoked pot, believed in the straight up constitution, and besides the slavery crap (yes awful i know but just imagine) he'd be fantastic!

[rebgirl420]

SO FREAKING COOL!!!!!!!!

[Humboldt215]

bahh. that URL dont work.

probably a fake ad, but hell, it was from craigs list :P

[Jouryokujin]

^Yes and if you dearly love socialized medicine and your American and you hate Bush and all that jazz then move to Canada or the UK. Please. (im not talking to you, as I am aware that you are indeed Canadian.)

I'm definitely willing to pay extra taxes so that others can afford to live (and it's not "out the ass"...its still very affordable according to people I've met from Spain, France, and Canada)....This is a problem with Americans...It's a very "me me me me me" society, while some other countries seem to be more about helping the world for the betterment of life in general...You honestly aren't willing to pay some taxes so that a fellow human being can survive?

Socialized medicine isn't a bad idea...Those who need free medical may get stuck in a line, but that's better than never being able to afford healthcare in the first place....Those who can afford to pay can still pay at a private clinic and the wait time will be equal to or less than the wait at whatever hospital you go to now...

You're telling me to move to Canada? That comment sounded like it was from one of those redneck characters from South Park (they took err jobs!). My friends are here. My family is here. Why should I need to alienate myself from those I love when I can give my life a reason, take this country by the balls, change it for the better? Then when this country is paradise, and since you would hate having to pay for those less fortunate for you to survive, I'll tell you to go move to Mexico. You seem to have a hard time thinking of others and putting yourself in another person's position. This isn't even a debate about politics at this point.

[rebgirl420]

The wait will be way too long for far too many people. Not everyone can wait. What about people with cancer? So they have to wait longer for chemo and surgeries? I dont freaking think so. I assure you, of the stories of waits Ive heard, where women with breast cancer have to wait weeks and longer for chemo that they could have here in a matter of a few days, those days matter. I am damn sure not waiting if I get cancer again. Screw that. No freaking way.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

I see greater love for ones country from a person who acknowledges its faults and wants to change them, than a person who thinks patriotism is blind obedience to the administration and acceptance of the status quo.

Much like the movement to legalize cannabis, I believe it's the duty of any patriot to constantly strive to accomplish change for the better. Such actions and beliefs hardly warrant condemnation and demanding they leave the country. Patriotism is not loyalty to the current administration, or adherence to tradition, it is loyalty to the people who make up ones nation and an effort to improve their way of life.

[Jouryokujin]

The wait will be way too long for far too many people. Not everyone can wait. What about people with cancer? So they have to wait longer for chemo and surgeries? I dont freaking think so. I assure you, of the stories of waits Ive heard, where women with breast cancer have to wait weeks and longer for chemo that they could have here in a matter of a few days, those days matter. I am damn sure not waiting if I get cancer again. Screw that. No freaking way.

Only people that need the free healthcare will have to wait. If you go to a private clinic (where you have to pay) it won't be that way....the government-run (free) clinics are for those that cannot afford for a better/faster option. You didn't read my entire post.

[rebgirl420]

ugh, this is nuts. This thread isnt really going anywhere. Im gonna go smoke and maybe come back. If not I will tommorow and hash this out. Im all politic'd out.

[Jouryokujin]

ugh, this is nuts. This thread isnt really going anywhere. Im gonna go smoke and maybe come back. If not I will tommorow and hash this out. Im all politic'd out.

This thread is going nowhere? I thought I just brought up a really good point. You seem to get frustrated when someone asks you to explain yourself thoroughly or has a good counter-argument....

[rebgirl420]

No what I meant is that even if we go back and forth this whole night, which im sure is what would happen if I chose to continue this tonight, what is gained? No ones mind is changed. Its nothing but arguing. Its getting pointless. Ill come back tommorow and continue but for right now im just not feeling it anymore. I just want to focus on the lighter threads and smoke. Ive been here ALL day arguing. I think I deserve some smoke time. How about you do the same.

[Humboldt215]

I wouldnt mind continuing, but I gotta go to Redding tomorrow (ugh 100+ heat) and need to crash early.

[I Justburn 247]

yeah bush is fucked. he's a war criminal in every sense of the term. the evidence is overwhelming even for that against a president..sucks to be him

[medicinal]

yeah bush is fucked. he's a war criminal in every sense of the term. the evidence is overwhelming even for that against a president..sucks to be him

As much as I agree with you and would like to see it happen, (prosecution) It never will. Money talks and bullshit walks as they say, and the Bush family are Mayflower descendents that are Billionaires. So GW will get a pass and live out his days on his ranch in Crawford, with full presidential priveledges. That is another reason for impeachment. At least then, we wouldn't have to use Tax dollars to protect and transport him for the rest of his days.

[anangrymailman]

I dont need a freaking link, it was over Vietnam. I know my history for gods sakes im becoming a history teacher.

Sorry, I just found that funny, but maybe you guys have had history teachers that would make that sentence make sense.

[MistaDobalina]

Bush on the Constitution: â??Itâ??s just a goddamned piece of paperâ??
By DOUG THOMPSON
Capitol Hill Blue's The Rant: Bush on the Constitution: â??Itâ??s just a goddamned piece of paperâ?? (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml)
Dec 5, 2005, 07:53

Last month, Republican Congressional leaders filed into the Oval Office to meet with President George W. Bush and talk about renewing the controversial USA Patriot Act.

Several provisions of the act, passed in the shell shocked period immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks, caused enough anger that liberal groups like the American Civil Liberties Union had joined forces with prominent conservatives like Phyllis Schlafly and Bob Barr to oppose renewal.

GOP leaders told Bush that his hardcore push to renew the more onerous provisions of the act could further alienate conservatives still mad at the President from his botched attempt to nominate White House Counsel Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court.

â??I donâ??t give a goddamn,â?� Bush retorted. â??Iâ??m the President and the Commander-in-Chief. Do it my way.â?�

â??Mr. President,â?� one aide in the meeting said. â??There is a valid case that the provisions in this law undermine the Constitution.â?�

â??Stop throwing the Constitution in my face,â?� Bush screamed back. â??Itâ??s just a goddamned piece of paper!â?�

Iâ??ve talked to three people present for the meeting that day and they all confirm that the President of the United States called the Constitution â??a goddamned piece of paper.â?�

And, to the Bush Administration, the Constitution of the United States is little more than toilet paper stained from all the shit that this group of power-mad despots have dumped on the freedoms that â??goddamned piece of paperâ?� used to guarantee.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, while still White House counsel, wrote that the â??Constitution is an outdated document.â?�

Put aside, for a moment, political affiliation or personal beliefs. It doesnâ??t matter if you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent. It doesnâ??t matter if you support the invasion or Iraq or not. Despite our differences, the Constitution has stood for two centuries as the defining document of our government, the final source to determine â??in the end â?� if something is legal or right.

Every federal official - including the President - who takes an oath of office swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States.â?�

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a â??living document.â?�

â??Oh, how I hate the phrase we have â??a â??living document,â?�Â� Scalia says. â??We now have a Constitution that means whatever we want it to mean. The Constitution is not a living organism, for Peteâ??s sake.â?�

As a judge, Scalia says, â??I donâ??t have to prove that the Constitution is perfect; I just have to prove that itâ??s better than anything else.â?�

President Bush has proposed seven amendments to the Constitution over the last five years, including a controversial amendment to define marriage as a â??union between a man and woman.â?� Members of Congress have proposed some 11,000 amendments over the last decade, ranging from repeal of the right to bear arms to a Constitutional ban on abortion.

Scalia says the danger of tinkering with the Constitution comes from a loss of rights.

â??We can take away rights just as we can grant new ones,â?�Â� Scalia warns. â??Donâ??t think that itâ??s a one-way street.â?�

And donâ??t buy the White House hype that the USA Patriot Act is a necessary tool to fight terrorism. It is a dangerous law that infringes on the rights of every American citizen and, as one brave aide told President Bush, something that undermines the Constitution of the United States.

But why should Bush care? After all, the Constitution is just â??a goddamned piece of paper.â?�

[Jouryokujin]

No what I meant is that even if we go back and forth this whole night, which im sure is what would happen if I chose to continue this tonight, what is gained? No ones mind is changed. Its nothing but arguing. Its getting pointless. Ill come back tommorow and continue but for right now im just not feeling it anymore. I just want to focus on the lighter threads and smoke. Ive been here ALL day arguing. I think I deserve some smoke time. How about you do the same.

I wasn't necessarily trying to change your mind. I was trying to show you that you couldn't back up your opinion with a single relevant fact. Sure it's legal in this nation to have an opinion with no facts, but *it shouldn't be socially acceptable to have such strong of an opinion with no facts.*

I think you previously made a post along the lines of "If I was a character in one of those shows (you were talking about the info-tainment shows such as the daily show, colbert report, etc) I'd much rather it be Colbert." Judging from this thread, you're not too far off. I'm honestly not trying to piss you off. I just hope you can eventually learn from this and grow as a person. I'm not angry, and I hope you're not either.

I think this finally concludes my argument.

[TallCoolOne]

Gonzalez resigned this morning. He got out while he still could. Will Bush?

[BlueDevil]

EVEN REASONS TO SUPPORT George W. Bush

1. George W. Bush has worked with Congress, unlike the Democratics there now.

2. George W. Bush led us into a legal war, because Iraq broke the Gulf War agreements.

3. George W. Bush has engineered a flourishing economy.

4. George W. Bush has to work with the most corrupt congress in American history.

5. George W. Bush has legally spied on American citizens thank goodness!

6. George W. Bush has had to work to stop terrorists who fight with no rules.

7. George W. Bush has istilled pride in our military .


1. Laughable, at best. The Dems are no longer a marginalized party and are acting like it. America got fed up with Republicans running a rubber-stamp Congress to please Bush's idealogical agenda. Blame the Dems if you must, but it just makes you look uninformed in the worst partisan sense. If you have a problem with a bill not going through due to not having enough votes behind it, then you have a problem with democracy - sorry!

2. Always love it when people resort to semantics and the letter of the law to distract away from the more telling aspects of the invasion. It speaks volumes that so much deceit was used. Downing Street Memo anyone? Yellow cake from Niger? WMD? Anyone? Some people don't have a problem trading American lives for short-term prosperity - they should just come out and say it instead of trying to justify the insane via legalese.

3. LOL! A democrat is in office when the economy is good and it's 'the president doesn't affect the economy!' Throw a repub in office and any recovery is automatically the fruits of his labor. Too funny. Also, a man who's driven personal businesses into the ground and doesn't know the difference between MedicCare and MedicAid didn't "engineer" anything. Please, lay off the AM talk radio - bad for the brain!

4. Yes, the record holder for vacation time in office really shored up a lot of respect with tolerating those damned dirty Democrats like Abramoff, DeLay, Foley, and Pombo. Oh...wait...
Then again, with an admin like this which has taken secrecy, cronyism, and contempt for rule of law to all new heights, it's kinda expected no?

5. Right, legal as long as you keep FISA and the Constitution out of the equation - but other than that, yep, perfectly legal. :wtf:
6. Ugh, now that's a disgusting proclamation. Bush took a cue from Osama's wishbook and did exactly what AQ wanted to do from the get go: draw us into an occupation of a poor muslim country. But hey, look on the bright side, at least it diverted funds and assets from the real fight in Afghanistan whilst simultaneously flushing our global outpouring of sympathy down the crapper. Yes, thank goodness for that savvy George Bush.
7. Let's forget for a moment the natural question of how AWOL Bush could instill pride in the very military he ran away from... Yeah that Abu Graibh thing turned out great for us. I myself get a great patriotic feeling when I consider that Bush and his handlers view our enlisted as expendable assets in elective wars, wars waded into with no exit strategy mind you. As I remember the GOP talking points during the Clinton years in regards to Kosovo, the hypocrisy and irony is just overwhelming!


Oh and rebgirl, I like you sweetie, but please - if you're going into history teaching I respectfully request you hit the books some more and check your politics at the door. Vietnam started with Eisenhower, not Kennedy. To compare Kennedy with Bush is asinine, not just completely stupid. Any US history professor worth his or her salt wouldn't dare to compare anyone to Bush save Hoover, or Taft, maybe Carter. Not with a straight face anyway... ;)

Bush is a lame duck president who has screwed this country and it's people more ways than I have space here to articulate it. I wish you guys would stop trying to put lipstick on that pig. And I say that as a moderate conservative with a history of voting for republicans (except for, I'm very proud to say, GWB).

[I Justburn 247]

Excellent post. ^^

Stay high.

[eg420ne]

good post bluedevil, i heard there was a rabbit loose in conspiracy forum, he sure could used your help.....

[BlAzInIt4:20]

1. Laughable, at best. The Dems are no longer a marginalized party and are acting like it. America got fed up with Republicans running a rubber-stamp Congress to please Bush's idealogical agenda. Blame the Dems if you must, but it just makes you look uninformed in the worst partisan sense. If you have a problem with a bill not going through due to not having enough votes behind it, then you have a problem with democracy - sorry!

2. Always love it when people resort to semantics and the letter of the law to distract away from the more telling aspects of the invasion. It speaks volumes that so much deceit was used. Downing Street Memo anyone? Yellow cake from Niger? WMD? Anyone? Some people don't have a problem trading American lives for short-term prosperity - they should just come out and say it instead of trying to justify the insane via legalese.

3. LOL! A democrat is in office when the economy is good and it's 'the president doesn't affect the economy!' Throw a repub in office and any recovery is automatically the fruits of his labor. Too funny. Also, a man who's driven personal businesses into the ground and doesn't know the difference between MedicCare and MedicAid didn't "engineer" anything. Please, lay off the AM talk radio - bad for the brain!

4. Yes, the record holder for vacation time in office really shored up a lot of respect with tolerating those damned dirty Democrats like Abramoff, DeLay, Foley, and Pombo. Oh...wait...
Then again, with an admin like this which has taken secrecy, cronyism, and contempt for rule of law to all new heights, it's kinda expected no?

5. Right, legal as long as you keep FISA and the Constitution out of the equation - but other than that, yep, perfectly legal. :wtf:
6. Ugh, now that's a disgusting proclamation. Bush took a cue from Osama's wishbook and did exactly what AQ wanted to do from the get go: draw us into an occupation of a poor muslim country. But hey, look on the bright side, at least it diverted funds and assets from the real fight in Afghanistan whilst simultaneously flushing our global outpouring of sympathy down the crapper. Yes, thank goodness for that savvy George Bush.
7. Let's forget for a moment the natural question of how AWOL Bush could instill pride in the very military he ran away from... Yeah that Abu Graibh thing turned out great for us. I myself get a great patriotic feeling when I consider that Bush and his handlers view our enlisted as expendable assets in elective wars, wars waded into with no exit strategy mind you. As I remember the GOP talking points during the Clinton years in regards to Kosovo, the hypocrisy and irony is just overwhelming!


Oh and rebgirl, I like you sweetie, but please - if you're going into history teaching I respectfully request you hit the books some more and check your politics at the door. Vietnam started with Eisenhower, not Kennedy. To compare Kennedy with Bush is asinine, not just completely stupid. Any US history professor worth his or her salt wouldn't dare to compare anyone to Bush save Hoover, or Taft, maybe Carter. Not with a straight face anyway... ;)

Bush is a lame duck president who has screwed this country and it's people more ways than I have space here to articulate it. I wish you guys would stop trying to put lipstick on that pig. And I say that as a moderate conservative with a history of voting for republicans (except for, I'm very proud to say, GWB).



i gave u ur 3rd dot yayy.. so what does the rep mean? i mean is it good to have all the dots? or im not sure..

[BlueDevil]

Wow, thanks guys. *bows* Your plaudits humble me.

Mmmmm, Rep....what do I get when I level up? More spells? More hit points? Better saving throws? Heh. My chipmunk already has an Acorn of Smiting +12, can't wait till he's high enough to use it! :D

[Hardcore Newbie]

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I do, desperately, want that guy in the white house.

[Don Don]

All Bill Clinton did was smoke a jay (who doesen't?) and get some head (again who doesen't?).All bush did was kill a couple thousand soldiers,invent a warrentless wiretapping program to monitor "terrorists",And still make a complete jackass of himself in public at all times.I'd rather have Bill back any day.:hippy:BUCK FUSH!!!

[The Uncola]

Dubyuh will certainly be remembered as the worst ever for many reasons. Cheer leading torture and other war crimes, allowing an entire metro to die in its own waste, replacing all legitimate scientists with incompetent loyal hacks,(FDA anyone?), Firing judges in mid term for purely political reasons, vetoing vital stem cell bills, transparent election fraud, etc. America becoming a third world nation by health care standards may be his most enduring domestic legacy. It's not just the losers who end up broke and destitute. One illness away from destitution baby.

Just today, one of Dubyuh's most loyal sycophantic worshipers and rubber stampers was exposed as the biggest hypocrite on the planet. The Minnesota airport toilet gay sex scandal man- Larry Craig. He must have a black, putrefying sick soul. This must match that of his hero-and possibly fantasy lover- The Smirking Chimp- GWB.

[Ganj]

George Bush has been a horrible president on sooo many points. It's like he doesn't have a fucking brain.

You can't hate the guy because he's a bad speaker.

[Rabbit Lion]

7 reasons to support bush...nice. now lets roll out the "592,867,092,520 reasons not to support bush" thread :D

[TallCoolOne]

7 reasons to support bush...nice. now lets roll out the "592,867,092,520 reasons not to support bush" thread :D

don't you mean 592,867,092,521 reasons? I mean tomorrow is another day....lol

[BlueDevil]

You can't hate the guy because he's a bad speaker.

And you can't pass off his idiocy and ignorance as 'speaking badly.' Bush has demonstrated time and time again that it's not just a kind of dyslexia he has, but also a complete and utter lack of intelligence over the many issues presidents are supposed to be at least somewhat fluent in.

If you're feeling up to it, please explain how 'speaking badly' accounts for his 4th grade level knowledge in geography, history, foreign policy, economics, law, environmental sciences, etc.
Let's face it, George W. Bush is a dimwit. A man who cannot talk about education without making a humiliating grammatical mistake ("The illiteracy level of our children are appalling"); who cannot keep straight the three branches of government ("It's the executive branch's job to interpret law"); who coins ridiculous words ("Hispanos," "arbolist," "subliminable," "resignate," "transformationed"); who habitually says the opposite of what he intends ("the death tax is good for people from all walks of life!") sounds like a grade-A imbecile.
I won't get into the many horrible decisions he's made that lead me to the same conclusion, there's just too many of them and I doubt any of us have the time or the patience to peruse through 20pages+ of failure and embarrassment. Hell, at this point I'm trying to forget!


But to say that speaking badly fully encapsulates Bush's criticisms is as intellectually dishonest as it is hilarious. In fact, I think stating such would indicate the speaker is either hopelessly partisan or has simply been living under a rock for the last 6 years!

But hey, being the nice guy I'm perfectly willing to read anything and everything that might have people thinking otherwise. Bring on GWB's personally crafted economic remedy to our Social Security woes, saddle up his thesis on quantum mechanics that he wrote in French, I guess I just missed'em somehow.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

You're much to hard on George and his linguistic skills BlueDevil. Haven't you heard his latest speach? It was a piece of pure brilliance and originality;

"We're staying the course in Iraq. We're spreading freedom. Freedom and liberty, protecting you against terrorists. Protecting your freedom, against terrorists, to protect your liberty. We're doing it by staying the course, staying the course to promote freedom.... and liberty.... protecting your freedoms. Terrorists hate freedom, we have to protect your freedom, by spreading liberty. Staying the course and uh.... protecting your freedoms... from terrorists...."

(Thus covering the full extent of his speeches)

[medicinal]

Bush sucks. The Guy is an imbecile. Now that his brain has left, I wonder what great speeches he has for us. I so hope that Impeachment is racheted up. That is the only real chance we have of getting the Bastard. Hey, that wonderful person Richard Cheney, you know, the Dick, wouldn't he make a wonderful president? I'm sure he could find a few more countries to go to war with, Iran, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, North Korea. there are plenty of suspects.

[Paulkishi]

I am a republican, I am even conservative (with the acception of my beliefs on weed), and I am also in the US Army and after reading those reasons why to support Bush, it made me sick. Bush has been a horrible president from the start, so here are the reasons why not to support Bush:

1. He handled 9/11 completely wrong, and used Afghanistan to throw off our attention and then quickly scapegoat Iraq.

2. He led us into a war with no purpose and loose reasoning behind it.

3. Because of the war, 1000s of American soldiers are being killed yearly for a lost cause.

4. He is trying to change countries that don't accept change very well.

5. He still hasn't caught Osama Bin Laden.

6. The patriot act is an invasion of privacy and completely disregards the constitution.

7. The Supreme Court Judges he elected also don't listen to the Constitution.

8. No Child Left Behind has so many problems with it, that getting rid of it would give students a better chance in succeeding.

9. Right now the national debt is higher than it has ever been.

10. Did nothing about Hurrican Katrina for at least a week.

11. He hasn't legalized marijuana.

[NightProwler]

YEAH GREAT IDEA lets list off the things we love about george bush!!

1.............
oh wait, theres nothing.
i guess it is pretty cool that hes cracking down on not only pot growers and dealers, but the pot abusers too! i mean, the less of that crap in our country the better, george bush is a great man for focusing on the pot problem. i mean, its so much worse than all those perscription pills that are being abused, and that mesely little meth problem. just kidding

also, many of my friends have DROPPED OUT OF SCHOOL becuase of his stupid no child left behind shit. school doesnt need to be any more challenging than it already is

[psychocat]

Bush is insane and anyone who supports the warmongering redneck should be locked up for everyones safety IMO.

[asianmaddness56]

3. George W. Bush has engineered a flourishing economy.

ha ha ha...

U.S. National Debt Clock (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)

Good Game?

[KevinFinnerty]

Exactly! Or the daily kos for that matter.

I think the whole "anti bush" crap is more of a "fashionable" thing. Its "cool" to hate bush. I mean teenagers blindly follow this crap. They make these strong opinions yet get all their info from comedy central shows and green day songs. Im sure a good bit of these anti bush people fall in that category. Not all (read this people), but many.

I'm definitely a Democrat, but you're right on the money with this point. I'd like to see somebody go on the street with a camera Jay Leno-style, go up to random people of voting age, and first ask them what they thought about Bush. Then (ostensibly after they've stated how much they hate him), ask them a whole bunch of basic questions about the government like, "What's the Vice President' name?" or "What's the Speaker of the House's name?" or "How many Supreme Court Justices are there?" or "Name a bill that Congress has passed under George Bush." I think the results of such an impromptu quiz would just how little the average person knows about why they bash Bush (although there are certainly PLENTY of good reasons to do so). Oh, and just to further illustrate how clueless many Bush bashers are, at the end of the interview you could ask each person if they voted in the last election.:D

Now, as far as national healthcare goes, I'm not exactly the most gung-ho supporter of it, but I definitely see its merits and I disagree with people who say things like, "why should I have to pay for somebody else's healthcare?" The truth is, taxpayers already pay a lot of money towards things that benefit others but not necessarily themselves.

Some of our taxes go towards public schools, and you don't get to avoid paying just because you've already graduated. Other parts of our taxes go towards roads, and you don't get to avoid paying just because you don't have a car. Hell, in a lot of cities some of your taxes goes toward building gaudy monstrosities of stadiums so groups of multi-millionaires can play games inside them (and this is coming from a big sports fan).

If people are fine with their taxes going toward these things even if they don't take advantage of them, what is so unfathomable about putting money toward a national healthcare system? I mean, one could argue that privatizing the education industry would result in a higher standard of education (more incentive for teachers to become more qualified, more resources would be devoted to developing better textbooks, etc.), but I think most people would agree that the benefit of making education "free" to everyone offsets the possible improvements that privatization would cause.

To me, it stands to reason that the things all taxpayers should be forced to chip in for should be those that are closest to being true [B]necessities[B] (like the police), as opposed to being [B]luxuries[B] (like ridiculously expensive sports stadiums or, to a much much lesser extent, roads). I think it's hard to refute that healthcare is more of a necessity than just about anything else, even education.