1st timer, w/Hydroton, could use a little help...

[TMusic]

I'm a first timer, so I'm obviously going to have some questions. After reading about growing for the last 10 years or so, i decided to give it a shot. I spent the last 3 weeks in this forum reading everything I could (THANK YOU ALL), decided what would be best for me and went to the store. The guy talked me in to a few changes but I came out happy and spent a exactly what I wanted to.

My space is a bathtub (about 2.5 ft x 4.5ft x 7ft) in a full bath.

400w HPS
Digital Ballast (MH or HPS)
24x48 Tray
Bag of Hydroton
30 Gal Reservoir
Pump, Hose, Tubing for Drip system
Smaller pump to circulate water in reservoir
Long Airstone
A box of the CO2 pucks that you put in water

I'm 7 days in. Started from seeds. I planted 7 seeds from the steady flow of purple we've had for the past 6 months. All 7 sprouted, 6 of them made it. I started in Rapid Rooters, stuck the seed right in, pushed it down a little.... They're about 1 1/2 inches tall and are all starting they're second set of true leaves, one of them, which i think is a different strain, is 2 or 2/12 inches tall and has started it's 3rd set.

Here I am 7 days later and I need a few questions answered before I can move on...i think.

I took the plugs and put them in the Hydroton about level with the plug. They've been in the system since day 4 and I've been giving them about a 33% nute solution (technaflora products) all seems fine...

I have the light on 24/7, when do I switch to 18/6?

I don't have a dripper tip in the end of my tubing for each plant, it gently flows out of it right now, no splashing or anything like that, is this ok?

I've been feeding every 4 hours for 5 minutes. How will that change once I start the lights on 18/6?

I've read that I can water every 3 hours for 4 minutes but when it comes to using Hydroton, everyone seems to say something different when it comes to a feeding schedule.

Thank you.

[GoldenGoblin]

I think why everyone is on the fence is because Hydroton doesn't hold water (or enough anyway)

Everything looks good with everything, 18/6 is another fence issue. It allows the plant a regular Calvin cycle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_cycle)
Personally, I think the dark reactions are just as important as light ones.

As to constant drip I am not to sure. Rockwool watering is usually 15min every 4ish hours though.
I might say you need more intervals. Is it really aerated? Root rot in your situation could be drainage. No standing water in your pots?

[Opie Yutts]

I took the plugs and put them in the Hydroton about level with the plug. They've been in the system since day 4 and I've been giving them about a 33% nute solution (technaflora products) all seems fine...
Plants should have no nutes the first two weeks, then 1/4 strength for a week, then half, then full to be safe. But if everything is fine, I guess you don't need to worry about it.

I have the light on 24/7, when do I switch to 18/6?
Now. Plants take in the stuff they need during light hours, and process the stuff during dark hours. They need both unless you are rooting cuttings. I have only two light schedules. 18/6 and 12/12. People may say different, but I don't think adjusting those schedules will do much of anything.

I don't have a dripper tip in the end of my tubing for each plant, it gently flows out of it right now, no splashing or anything like that, is this ok?
That's fine. There will be plenty of splashing from your air stone and res. pump. But it should be more like dripping instead of flowing.

I've been feeding every 4 hours for 5 minutes. How will that change once I start the lights on 18/6?
Feeding schedules on systems like yours are very debatable, and as varied as the systems are. You just need to keep one thing in mind; you want your roots to get as much oxygen as possible without stressing the plants. This means that you actually want your roots as dry as possible. Believe me this is the key. Light schedule will not matter, just make sure the roots don't completley dry out, but are as dry as possible. I have a hybrid spray/dwc type thingee, and I water for 30 seconds every 10 minutes. For the most part this is pretty typical.

I've read that I can water every 3 hours for 4 minutes but when it comes to using Hydroton, everyone seems to say something different when it comes to a feeding schedule.
You need to remember that there are many growing mediums, and all require different care and schedules. For example rocwool holds way too much moisture in my opinion, so I would water much less often in that than I would clay pellets (Hydroton is a brand). Bleah, I hate rockwool. Way too easy to get root rot, mold, etc.

Hope that helps a little.

[TMusic]

I did my 1st 6 hour dark period, fed about 3 hours before the lights went off, 1 five minute feeding in the middle. 2 of the plants turned their largest leaves (1st set) up like a V. Is this ok.... I read somewhere that it is, but I figured I'd just ask the ? They're were at about a 45 degree angle and have gone back down a little in the last 3 hours.

Also, do the cotelydons fall off? If so, what does this process look like? One of them on my tallest plant is covered by the 2nd set of leaves and is turning yellow.

[HighTillIDie]

man my plants are only a week old, but the nutes in my res are about 75%... a couple plants started to yellow a tad and show calcium defiancy so i had to up my nute strength.. so i say, let your plants tell you, every system is diff... i am using a dwc/wick, with hydroton... i foliar feed every now and then a slightly weaker version of the nutes in res.

i am experimenting with 24 light for about 3 days, and i am getting good results, i just had to find a way to keep humidity and temp right at the plant level. i will give them their first nighttime tonight....

and ya, you are describing when they fall off

[TMusic]

I had them on 24/0 for the 1st 10 days, first night time today, went to 18/6. Foliar fed them some 50% Thrive Alive B1 Green just as the light went out. The shortest is about 1 1/2" the tallest is about 2 1/2".

I plan on switching out my reservoir tomorrow, its been a week in the system. I picked up some MagiCal and Sugar Daddy to add in with the boost and grow, not sure if i should do that now or wait until the next change. (1 week)

I've been at 368 ppm for the last 7 days, that's the boost, grow, thrive alive red, and root 66. Less than 50% of each recommended. I'm planning on dropping the Root 66 and starting on the MagiCal and Sugar Daddy along with the boost, grow, and B1. I'm assuming that I can increase the ppm of my solution with a single change...??? From 368-500ish? Or do I need to do it more gradually.

If I'm doing something wrong, please tell me, I've been growing for about 10 days.

[TMusic]

This is day 11. here are a couple pics, is the yellow on the bottom ok?

[Opie Yutts]

Yellowing as shown in your pics is completely normal. Those bottom baby leaves fall off just like peoples baby teeth fall out. I would not be giving them so much ingredients in their nutes. Don't get so technical man. At that stage I switch to about 1/4 strength veg nutes, then gradually increase to full strength or so. You don't need anything else if you have good nutes like Fox Farm's Grow Big. If anything, I would probably add just a couple drops per gallon of Super Thrive or Liquid Karma, but your crop will turn out fine without anything but veg nutes. I get a little more technical during flowering, but not much. Just bud nutes, and a boost or two.

Also, have you ever thought of making a cheapo airocloner and keeping a couple mothers? Much better results then rooting seeds in peat pellets. You can use scarification (search) to make massive amounts of root sites, and you can just lay the roots in the pot with some capilary matting (like a wick), and fill in the pellets around the roots. Good luck.

[TMusic]

What is the science behind not giving them nutes? Overload potential? If the're not in soil, and they're not gettting any supplemental nutrition, how are they expected to grow to their full potential with water alone? or even 1/4 stregnth?

I'm just trying to understand the "Why"? Only because everyone does something different, an educated guess is what I'm after.

[TMusic]

Don't get so technical man. At that stage ...
... your crop will turn out fine without anything but veg nutes. I get a little more technical during flowering, but not much. Just bud nutes, and a boost or two.

Also, have you ever thought of making a cheapo airocloner and keeping a couple mothers? Much better results then rooting seeds in peat pellets. You can use scarification (search) to make massive amounts of root sites, and you can just lay the roots in the pot with some capilary matting (like a wick), and fill in the pellets around the roots. Good luck.

won't the wicking material keep it from drying out? Isn't there enough moisture in the rapid rooter to hold it through until the next watering?

unless i'm misunderstanding you, that seems a little complicated. Handling roots? When will I be doing that?

Didn't you just tell me not to get too technical? ...or am I missing something?

[TMusic]

here are a couple pics.... last night I left some frozen ice pops (the flavored ones) in the tank, trying to lower the temp a few degrees, a couple leaked, made the water a little cloudy. I changed the water, flushed the plants a couple times.

The leaves are twisting on a couple of them and one has a brown spot in the middle of 1 leaf. A couple of them look a little droopy, but a couple look unaffected.

If anyone can tell me how bad this is, i'd appreciate it.

I feel so stupid!

[bongerstonerd00d]

Freeze pops ? WTF? Use plastic milk jugs (quarts), soft drink bottles, water bottles, whatever.......fill 2/3 full with water, freeze, and drop them in rez. worst can happen if they bust is that your nute solution gets diluted.

I have no idea what is in a freeze pop, or care, but I am going to make a wild guess and say its not what your plant likes. Probably some kind of juice concentrate (acidic) or some shit.

Whats pH of nute solution now ?
How did you flush a couple times in a day ?
What did you flush with ?

You need to give 'em some pH'd water at about 5.6 or so, maybe a bump of ST with something like FLora Kleen and let em rest for a few days while they cycle that thru.

And COVER that hydroton. It needs ZERO light shining on it.


b0nger

[TMusic]

ph is 5.9

flushed with 30% nute solution, as soon as I figured out that this happened.

my 6 hour dark starts at noon and I had about 20 mins to change the water. left the pump on for about 15 minutes, at 3pm, ran it again for 5 minutes.

how do I get the water to it if its covered?

[TMusic]

the plants get watered every three hours for 5 minutes. they got the shitty water maybe three times. it was about 10 hours.

[jammin26]

have you seen this:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. (http://www.youtube.com)
search for marijuana grow
there is a 9part video of a green man explaining hydro grow

[TMusic]

Thanks but that doesn't help.

[TMusic]

They're still looking a little droopy, how long does it usually take for them to recover?

[TMusic]

What do I "flush" with, and how often?

[Cyclonite]

Flushing only needs to be done in 3 events IMO, when you over do it on the nutes or the PH gets out of hand. When you switch from Veg to flower and the final flush before harvest.

Droopy plants normally mean too little or too much water, they aren't getting enough O2 to the roots or they really need a drink. Find out which one it is and slowly adjust your watering schedule to the plants needs + or -.

When you flush your plants use pure clean water and to speed up the process use flora clean or a flushing product, it weakens the bond the nutes have with the plants allowing them to be removed easier.

As long as your PH is ok I don't think the pops hurt the plant...its mostly sugar and water. They don't look all that bad really, they are still really small so take it easy on the nutes until the 5th or so growth node, then kick it up.

Just be patient and your plants will tell you what they need, you will probably do more harm being overattentive to everything. They need consistency, good water, nutes, ventilation, proper lighting and the right temp./humid...most overlooked is ventilation, its vital to get good growth and for the plant to strengthen itself.

Is this some sort of drip/DWC system?

Keep your res temps 68 or so also...key point in DWC. I wouldn't even screw with the drip part just keep the airstones going and they will splash the right amount of water of the bottom of the pots.

You don't need to change out a res that size very often at all....plants that size didn't even make a dent in the nute solution, the reason for changing out the res is that the plants take in nutes and dump out waste, this process will make your solution unbalanced so monitor by PPM, PH, and what your plants look like....I might even keep them in the same nute solution for 3-4 weeks it just depends on how much they are eating.

You don't have to cover the hydroton...it would be better though, less light to the roots and nutes = no algae and better root development.

[TMusic]

Thank you very much, that was exactly what I needed.

[HighTillIDie]

hydroton is fine, i love it, and i have seen great gardens with it. It can support very tall heavy plants like tomatoes with normal amounts of support. roots aren't that weak, and algea can be cleaned away, and all with normal maintanence. block any light to roots, ect.

uh they look ok to me, a perfect plant is a rare thing

don't water during dark, except maybe 15 mins before light, and i would water for a 15 min duration.. don't water an hour or more before dark

[TMusic]

So I was just assuming that my droopy plants was due to over watering, so I decreased the number of feedings to 5 per day, about every 4 hours when the lights are on, for 15 minutes... And my plants look even worse. Plants can get droopy from underwatering too right? Everything else is right. Temp in the box is 77 or 78, fans inside, on the hood, ph is right, rez temp is about 72.

Am i doing something else wrong, or do I need to relax?

[Divestoned]

[quote=GoldenGoblin]I think why everyone is on the fence is because Hydroton doesn't hold water (or enough anyway)

hydroton holds water really well. I have personally seen that it is possible to overwater hydroton.I have pictures of overwatered hydroton in flood and drain system in my "pro hydro" log.

just like hightillidie said "no water during night cycle."

have you ever used hydroton??? if not ....then please dont comment on it.

Dive:stoned:

[rhizome]

Hey man- I've had very good luck w/ pot of hydroton just being constantly top fed by 1/4" line w/ return to res.

If you're gonna run constant, aerate the res.

[TMusic]

Flushing only needs to be done in 3 events IMO, when you over do it on the nutes or the PH gets out of hand. When you switch from Veg to flower and the final flush before harvest.

Droopy plants normally mean too little or too much water, they aren't getting enough O2 to the roots or they really need a drink. Find out which one it is and slowly adjust your watering schedule to the plants needs + or -.

When you flush your plants use pure clean water and to speed up the process use flora clean or a flushing product, it weakens the bond the nutes have with the plants allowing them to be removed easier.

As long as your PH is ok I don't think the pops hurt the plant...its mostly sugar and water. They don't look all that bad really, they are still really small so take it easy on the nutes until the 5th or so growth node, then kick it up.

Just be patient and your plants will tell you what they need, you will probably do more harm being overattentive to everything. They need consistency, good water, nutes, ventilation, proper lighting and the right temp./humid...most overlooked is ventilation, its vital to get good growth and for the plant to strengthen itself.

Is this some sort of drip/DWC system?

Keep your res temps 68 or so also...key point in DWC. I wouldn't even screw with the drip part just keep the airstones going and they will splash the right amount of water of the bottom of the pots.

You don't need to change out a res that size very often at all....plants that size didn't even make a dent in the nute solution, the reason for changing out the res is that the plants take in nutes and dump out waste, this process will make your solution unbalanced so monitor by PPM, PH, and what your plants look like....I might even keep them in the same nute solution for 3-4 weeks it just depends on how much they are eating.

You don't have to cover the hydroton...it would be better though, less light to the roots and nutes = no algae and better root development.


so i got the nutes down to 350 ppm, the water from the store is about 80 to start with. Ph is good, temp in the box is 67-68 during the dark period, 77-81 during the light, reservoir temp is 69-72. I left the pump off for a few extra hours just to be sure I'm not overwatering and they looked a little droopy. So I fed them for 15 mins, lights went out... 6 hours later they all look a little better and they all look better now. the droopy ones are picking up. a couple of the second set of leaves are still curling under but seem to be getting better...def not worse though. I have the feeding down to 15 minutes every hour and 15 mins, during the light period.

Its not a dwc system, just a drip...and the drip comes out more like a constant stream, maybe 1 gallon per minute.

The one with the brown sopts has more brown spots now and they're lightening up, more golden brown that poo brown, and also on the opposite leaf, this one particular plant seems a little more sensitive than the others. smaller leaves, they're all twisting or coming out long and skinny.

Some of the other ones are getting really purple towards the center of growth...inside of the leaves and the stem. 4 of these plants are from some incredible purps we've been getting solidly for the past 6 months.

The 5th plant is supposedly some mango kush? ?Its growing twice as fast as all of the others. I don't really know, but it was an incredibe smoke...

Considering I only have about 36-40 inches at max, when shoud i start worrying about height training, if I should at all.


Will adding CO2 help me out at all?

As you can see, I'm kinda lost as to what "theory" I'm going to use. There are so many different options, and I've read everything I could about all of them but I still can't decide.

Any suggestions on what direction I should go with this grow?

Right now I have 5 plants as described above and I have them in a 2x4 tray, 400w Eye Hortilux hps (50,000+ lumens, and a drip/flow system, hydroton with rapid rooter plugs,20 gal reservoir. Technaflora products---grow, boost, bloom, magical, sugar daddy, thrive alive red and green, awesome blossom.

[TMusic]

they're all coming back from the droopiness now. makes me feel better...

Still need some suggestions on what to do?

[TMusic]

What method should I grow these plants with? I can't just let them grow because of my limited height, I'm really confused as to how I'm going to do this.

considering i only have :
5 plants from seeds,
8 square ft of space,
about 36 inches from bottom of stem to safe light level (18 inches)
400w hps =50,000+ lumens of light
I threw a couple cfl's in there too, the daytime kind(blue box)
relatively small pots

What should I do to get the best QUALITY (#1) and yeild(#2)????


THANK YOU TO EVERYONE for their help so far, the plants are looking better already!!!

[HighTillIDie]

hmmm i am getting similar brown spots on a few of my really healthy looking plants, and a couple with some yellowing on the tips... i am gonna res change i guess... sigh, i hate res changes... all that... work

[TMusic]

the little brown spots are on two of mine. Also, the leaves are curling down and under, they're really healthy looking, no idea what it is...

[TMusic]

Here's an update...day 18

Pic 1 is the slowest growing plant, the leaves are longer skinnier and darker than all of the other ones, the brown spots have been there for about a week. Anyone know what this is/was? Will it get better or just get on with healthy growth?

Pic 2 is very healthy. Anything to worry about with the 4th finger on the leaf on the left???

Pic 3 is also healthy, growing wide, not too tall yet.

Pic 4 is the biggest plant, a couple sets of 7 finger leaves, big and bushy, this may be the mango kush seed.

Pic 5 is another healthy one, leavesa re curling under a little bit, actually getting better from the ice pop incident, and it also has a leaf with 4 fingers...WTF??

Should I be worried about the 4 finger thing?

[TMusic]

pics didn't work, i'll get some that will fit in a few hours.

[TMusic]

in the mean time, this is what i got these seeds from, collected them over the last 6 months or so...

Some purple strain, I figured they were worth planting. Anyone know what it could be?

[TMusic]

Day 20 from seeds. Here are some pics from this morning. They're starting to stink, really musky if you put your nose up to the top of the plant. Its like the skunk smell without the sweetness, just the pungent odor. One of them is growing a lot slower than the others, pic 4, i think it got nute burn during the 1st couple weeks. Is this plant going to be ok?

Also, they're getting a little droopy throughout the day and then the perk back up during the dark period. Is this normal?

I have the temp in the box 76-77 with the light on and 65-66 in the dark.

Does anyone have any suggestions on how I should grow these plants (LST, scrog, etc)? I only have about 4 feet from the pot to the light at its max height. the tallest one is about 6 inches, so I think I have to decide sometime soon.

Thanks for the help so far, has made a huge difference in my peace of mind...

[palerider7777]

i think dwc is real good i have a areo/dwc mix and mine are great.whats ur ph at? do u have a fan on them? do u spray them down while the light is on? these are all factors

[palerider7777]

http://boards.cannabis.com/hydroponics/122037-here-what-i-have.html#post1507694

theres pics of mine in the link

[TMusic]

ph is righ around 6, there is an oscillating fan in there, no I don't spray them in the light, I've only sprayed them twice, both times with some thrive alive B1 green, right when the light goes off, they always respond well to this.

How often can I foliar feed them? they always seem to perk up and grow really fast after I do this but I don't want to burn them with too much nutes.

[palerider7777]

u can spray them down at the end of the light cycle and i just have ph'd water with sum superthrive and then 1/4 of the 3 part nutes i have'nt burnt anything with that mix just make sure it's only a 1/4 of what it says to put but about a week b4 flower cycle i stoped spraying them down.i keep my ph at 5.5 6 i think is a lil high but i think sum do

[TMusic]

should I spray them every day?

[palerider7777]

i was doing it every other day

[TMusic]

ok, I'll give it a try.

Is it ok if they get a little droopy before the light goes off and perk up during the dark time? They've been doing this a lot.

[palerider7777]

iv'e noticed that they will droop a lil when u spray them or r u saying they droop on there own if so no how close is ur light?

[GoldenGoblin]

[quote=GoldenGoblin]I think why everyone is on the fence is because Hydroton doesn't hold water (or enough anyway)

hydroton holds water really well. I have personally seen that it is possible to overwater hydroton.I have pictures of overwatered hydroton in flood and drain system in my "pro hydro" log.

just like hightillidie said "no water during night cycle."

have you ever used hydroton??? if not ....then please dont comment on it.

Dive:stoned:

When compared to other inert media hydroton doesn't hold that much water.



have you ever used hydroton??? if not ....then please dont comment on it.

...
:rolleyes:

[palerider7777]

im using hydroton and it does'nt hold any water why would u want it to??

[TMusic]

I water mine 6 times a day, i don't think I could get away with this if the hydroton held a significant amount of water....

[TMusic]

do i need to completely change the reservoir if I want to increase the nute stregnth?

After a week? Two weeks?

I'm getting into the 4th week and I want to increase the ppm but my 20 gal reservoir is huge for my 5 little plants.

[turtle420]

do i need to completely change the reservoir if I want to increase the nute stregnth?

After a week? Two weeks?

I'm getting into the 4th week and I want to increase the ppm but my 20 gal reservoir is huge for my 5 little plants.

I suggest you make a complete rez change every 15 days max.
If it's too much water, mix less... 10 gallons?

You should start off with fresh water for your nute mixes... think about it. Your plants will be happier.

What hydro setup do you have?
"Aero/DWC"?
So, you keep the buckets' level constant with the rez?
Just wondering. :)

Best!

-turtle420 :cool:
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[TMusic]

just saying that 20 gallons is big for 5 little plants. I like the 20 gallon tank, it holds temperature, ph, and ppm much more stable than 10 gallons.

I'm changing my water today. Is it ok if I mix it today, then make the entire somution stronger in three or four days without changing the entire 20 gallons? I know that the concentration will increase by itself over time, but that's not the idea. I'm getting into my 4th week and I'm at 360ppm. I would like to increase it.

Its a timed drip. 15 minutes every 3 hours, no watering in the dark.... and its more like a "pour" or "flow", instead of a drip... the pump is pretty strong.

[palerider7777]

i hav'nt changed my res in 4 weeks and mine are happy as pig in shit. i top off my res every 2 weeks and i do it in 5 gals at a time i'll fill the 5 gal up add the nutes stir it up and either pump it in there or pour it in as i have left a basket with just clay pellets i can pull out and pour

[TMusic]

can you top off with a higher concentration of nutes?

I have been topping off every three or five days, with 50% of the reservoir's concentration. It takes about 1/2 to 1 gallon to bring it back to normal (10-20 ppm lower)

Also, the droopy thing. My light schedule is 18/6, dark between 12pm and 6pm. Around 10 every day the top few sets of leaves on every plant gets a little droopy, the biggest one and the smallest one get it the worst. They look like this until 4 or 5 pm, then they'll perk up really nice. They do this almost every day.

[TMusic]

Here are some pics of The Droop... What's going on?

Here are some pics from about 10 minutes ago. The first one is the smallest plant, it gets the droopiest, the leaves are touching the hydroton. The second one is the biggest, also gets really droopy, the leaves lay down on top of each other. The other three look less affected.

They all stand up at the end of the dark cycle. I'll post some pics in 6 hours.

All the pics are different plants.

[TMusic]

sorry.... here are the pics.

[palerider7777]

whats the temps and water temps??

[TMusic]

light on: 71-79
Light off:63-70

Water temp is 69

[TMusic]

is it bad if the temp goes below 70 when the lights are on?

[Cyclonite]

Plants droop when they sleep....that might be what it is. If your not under/over watering I'm sure of it.

Thats not a bad temp at all.....I would take that over the 90 degrees I have to deal with right now.

[TMusic]

Thank you.

So how do I rule out under/overwatering?

The pump lets out the water at a good flow, about 1 gallon per hour(estimate), I water every three hours for 15 minutes. Do I cut the duration OR Increase the duration OR increase the time in between(less waterings) or decrease the time in between(more waterings)?

[Cyclonite]

Your plants are probably fine, try increasing the duration between watering's. Let the roots dry out some and grow in search of water....if they aren't droopy a few hours into your 18 then your water is fine.

[palerider7777]

Thank you.

So how do I rule out under/overwatering?

The pump lets out the water at a good flow, about 1 gallon per hour(estimate), I water every three hours for 15 minutes. Do I cut the duration OR Increase the duration OR increase the time in between(less waterings) or decrease the time in between(more waterings)?

ur not overwatering thats for sure i'd say ur bout right on that part

[TMusic]

ok, but I just noticed something, I wrote 1 gallon per hour in that post, but it actually comes out 1 gallon per minute.

[TMusic]

Here are some pics from the end of today's dark time. The pics are in the same order as the last post. It didn't take 2 days for them to perk up like this, they looked like this at the end of yesterday's dark cycle also, then drooped way down at about 630 this morning. Here they are 1 hour after the light came on, at around 7pm. Do they look ok?

I put 2 "daytime" cfl's in there with my 400w HPS, will these help?

I put the water on for 4 hour intervals instead of three, I'll look at them again in the morning.

[TMusic]

Here's one more full view.

[Duke420]

ah, i see ur problem.

you need to put drip tips on ur lines and u can run drip 24/7. I have 3 hydro systems all using Hydroton :thumbsup: My drip system I have two stones in the rez and I drip 2/4. This is on my mom widow and she is almost a year old now.

Also when they are so young, use 1/4 strength till they get about 6 inches then increase weekly to full. By that time, they will be ready to flower.

g/j

[TMusic]

how much water do I want to come out? I have a much smaller recirculating pump in my reservoir, I'm sure I could switch them out. The one I'm using for the drip right now is 400 gph, the other one is 160 i think, and its adjustable down. I'm also using one big airstone, the 18".

Is a 24 hour drip better?

[Duke420]

Try to slow the drip down to just a constant drip, where the drips are actually separated.

Then you can leave them 24/7. The airstone is fine. I use a dual pump for my two 12 inch stones, and one smaller pump for my drip. As the plant gets larger, you will have to increase the flow a little. You will be able to tell by then what your babies need.

g/l :)

[Cyclonite]

The advantage of 24hr drip is more consistent medium wetness....now plants dont drink the same amount 24hrs a day so you will overwater a bit at night. Pumps create heat and use electricity so you will have to deal with that as well.

Its really up to you...I don't think you will see any improvement going to a 24hr drip.

[TMusic]

ok...should I stop worrying about the droopiness?

[Cyclonite]

Yes, if its only when they sleep don't worry about it. Thats normal, if its midday then look at modifying your watering schedule

[TMusic]

Thank you.

[palerider7777]

um my plants have never drooped like yours so cyclonite might be right but i don't know as mine have never drooped like that only when spraying them down i don't think u need to spray them anymore see what happens and what duke was talking about is go to lowes or whereever and buy sum drip tips that screw into the end of the hose they come 4 to a pk or so that will slow the drip down alot ur lettin it pour out a gal a min is a hell of alot i think u should put the drip tips on them and run 24/7

[TMusic]

I'm in the process of cutting the water by increasing the intervals between feedings. I went from every 3 hours of light to every 4 hours of light, I'm changing the water right now and it'll be 5 hours since the last one. I'll leave it at that for a cycle or two, just to see how they respond.

I tried to use the smaller pump to make a constant drip and it wouldn't come out consistently at each tip. It worked, but it just wasn't consistent enough.

[palerider7777]

I tried to use the smaller pump to make a constant drip and it wouldn't come out consistently at each tip. It worked, but it just wasn't consistent enough. "lmao the pump has nothing to do with the drip". unless ur running a ton of shit and ur not so need i say "tips" again.
what do u mean by this?? smaller pump?? the pump don't matter unless u have a real big one, and i can tell by the water flow u don't. so what im trying to tell u is u need to go to lowes/homedepot and buy tips for where the water is coming out of the hose into ur planter, ur letting to much water flow out at 1 time.

when it should be driping out and i just looked at ur pics and thats what i see toooo much water onto the plant, and also by letting it pour on top like that i see the top of ur plugs are soaked, and thats not good to do either, cause it can cause ur stem to rot. the water needs to "drip" off to the side of the plug not right on top of it, and by letting it pour out like ur doing it's getting everything wet.

i think thats ur droopy none growth problem right there. but thats just me but i will say again it's not good to have the stem soaked like ur doing it can cause stem rot.

ps i tried lmao

[TMusic]

I'm going to the store tomorrow to get the drippers, I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about.

I changed my reservoir and increased the nute stregnth last night, just checked it about an hour ago and its cloudy and smells a little funny. Is this from the increase of nutes or do I have a problem? It wasn't like this before I changed the water. I fluched everything and cleaned everything with ro water and hydrogen peroxide. I used technaflora Boost, Grow, Thriva Alive B1Red, MagiCal and Sugar Daddy. Temp in the reservoir is 66-68. It smells sour...???

[palerider7777]

that happened to me but it went away i think it was the nutes as sometimes it will cloud up wheres ur micro?? are u not useing the 3 part nute system?? and if u just forgot to put it in there u do know it needs to go in first and let it mix into the res b4 adding the others 1 at a time don't mix all the nutes if u did'nt know that.

[TMusic]

micro? Technaflora says to add their "Boost" first, its on every bottle of technaflora products.

I did it a little fast I guess.

I'm cleaning everything with water and h202 and changing it all again right now. It smelled REALLY BAD, almost like trash, and I can't stand it. All the way to my front door.

[TMusic]

A few questions about the cloudy water... I tested the RO water that I used for the change yesterday and it was 120 ppm. This is the water from the water and ice store, which they claim to be close to 0. This sucks...

There was also quite a bit of sediment all over the sides and bottom of the reservoir, it wasn't slimy yet, but it was darker in 1 day, than it was over the last two weeks.

I'm using a technaflora product called Sugar Daddy. This is an organic product right? So if there was enough of it in the tank and the tank has a big light leak, it would start growing shit wouldn't it? Could this happen in 24 hours?

Reason I ask is that the last time I tried to bump the ppms up I went to 700 and the water turned cloudy overnight as well. This was the same day as the ice pop incident so I just attributed it to that. But last night I had the ppm at 650 I think, and the water turned cloudy overnight again... could it be the sugar daddy (if its organic) and the light leak?

[TMusic]

should I get some hydroguard?

[palerider7777]

i would say u need sum cal-mag+ and silca boost and a must is hygrozime

[TMusic]

Can you explain?

[Opie Yutts]

Your plants are probably fine, try increasing the duration between watering's. Let the roots dry out some and grow in search of water....if they aren't droopy a few hours into your 18 then your water is fine.

This is the best advice for you that I've read here. It's way more important than most people realize.

You should experiment to find out what the optimum water/feeding schedule is for your plants. You will need to watch them carefully for a few days, so you might want to try this on the weekend or something.

Just start reducing the time between waterings. To do this right you should have a cyclestat timer so that you can have infinate control over the duration and the frequency. However if you don't want to spend the $140, Intermac (I think) has a decent digital timer ($20) that has 14 on/off events for one day. This would allow you about 51 1/2 minutes between an off and an on, if you spread it out evenly. For your setup this would probably be fine. I know it's fine for my bubble cloner. You may even be able to have an off time of several hours. The more off time the better. Once or twice each day change the schedule to reduce the on times a little. As you closely watch your plants, keep doing this until you start to see the first signs of stress on the plants or any one plant. From there increase the on time a little and that is your optimum schedule. This is more important than people realize. The more oxygen you can get to the roots the better. It's the key to big, healthy, well-adjusted sisters and mamas. It will also help reduce instances of root rot, mold, etc.

I just harvested a new strain for me and for the life of me I could not stop the leaves from drooping a little during the entire grow. Meanwhile other strains in identical conditions had no droop.

Hope that helps a little. It's just my opinion, based on experience.

[Opie Yutts]

PS.

As the plants grow bigger you may need to increase the on time a little.

[TMusic]

Thank you very much, here is what's going on. I gradually cut the water. Went from 3 hour intervals/15 minute duration to 4 hour intervals/10 minute intervals, then to 5 hour intervals/10 min duration. yesterday I went back to 4 hour intervals and here are some pics from about an hour ago.

The leaves at the bottom are all starting to yellow and are not recovering from the droop. The leaf tips at the top are yellowing just a little bit, right at the tip. A few leaves have some brown spots, maybe 3 or 4 leaves total and 1 or 2 spots on them. The vertical growth seems a little slow, I'm on day 27 from seeds and they're 6 inches tall or so... the space between each new growth on the main stem in really small, and a lot the branches seem to have new growth on them too. Do they need more water?


400w HPS Light is about 20 inches from top of plants.
2 daytime CFL's are 3 or 4 inches away
Temp: Light on-68-77
Light off - 64-70
pH is 5.5-6.0
ppm is 585 (the RO water from the store was 120 to start) DO I need to increase this???
Technaflora nutes - Boost, Grow, Thriva Alive red, MagiCal, Sugar Daddy

Just added Mylar too

[palerider7777]

i still think u should put the drip tips on and run 24/7. not not to big a fan for that system myself i like dwc/aero.and the bottom leafs that sit on the bottom and touch the clay balls will die as they tend to stay wet and get to much nute build up on them

[palerider7777]

have u stoped spraying them down like i said?

[TMusic]

yep, no more spraying

Only 1 of them really recovered from the droop after today's dark cycle. The rest look a little better but not like normal. They also got droopy a little early today, around 6am they were already looking a little down.

also, i may have done something at the very beginning that could have a hand in this. The hole in the rapid rooter plugs seemed a little shallow once the plants sprouted, I could see the hairy part of the root through the top. When they were 2-3 inches tall, I took another rapid rooter, cut it in half and put it around the stem and on top of the existing plug. About 1 inch of the stem got covered and eventually started rooting into the new piece of rapid rooter...??? Did I read somewhere that this stunts vertical growth???maybe i'm wrong...

[TMusic]

I haven't had time to get the tips yet. The hydro store didn't have them.

[TMusic]

The light came on an hour before this, they recovered ok.

[palerider7777]

any kind of shock can stunt/delay growth i take it that when u did this it broke sum of the roots?? i did something like that kindda b4 there was 1 not showing roots so i ripped the plug open but careful not to rip the roots and looked inside and a just left it in the plug and closed it back up and after that it would'nt grow anymore after that so i don't know but i know it's not good to mess with it after it's rooting in the plug

[TMusic]

no, i didn't mess with the existing rooter plug or the roots, i just made the rapid rooter plug "longer" by putting another piece on top of it. Essentially, it made the plant an inch shorter, the roots started coming out of the stem that was covered by the new piece.

[palerider7777]

oh ok i got it, u know it's not good to keep ur stem wet/damp.

[palerider7777]

how old r they now??

[TMusic]

I know about the wet stem thing now, they were just so shallow.

Day 28.

They look great today, got the ppm to 850, been there for about 24 hours and they seem to love it.

[palerider7777]

u say u have a 400w on them now?? i can see sum has lot of growth did u top or fimm them?? from what i see the ones with alot of outwards growth will be nothing but a good thing as i fimmed the ones i had and out of 6 tom plants i had 40 tops so..is the 400w a 400w or abunch of cfls to make 400w?? i'd say drop the lights a lil closer if u can just do the hand test to see how close u can get the light if its cfls u can get them about 5inches away and be fine.

[TMusic]

no, I havent touched them, no topping or fimming. Since this is my first grow, I want to do it without fucking with anything. Figure I learn the basics first, like keeping a plant alive and healthy AND growing it to maturity- something I've never done. I would consider LST but I don't think they're tall enough, nor do I really know how to do it, so I'm sure you understand the reluctancy. I'm trying to play it safe, as long as I can get a few oz from them(total), I'll be happy

I have a 400w Eye Hortilux HPS and 2 CFL's in there.

How much more veg time would you say I have left?

[palerider7777]

most go 12/12 when the plant hits a ft tall or 4 or 5 good sets of leafs but u have good growth but no height at 30 days mine was close to 2ft tall urs is still under a ft so i'd wait till they were lil over a ft unless u have alot of space then u can let them grow bigger i mean the taller the better as more can grow but the least is a ft i would say

[TMusic]

I have about 32 inches from the top of the pot to a safe distance from the light.

[palerider7777]

i'd flower at around a ft maybe a lil bigger

[TMusic]

Is LST something to consider? if so, when should I do it? They're about 8 inches tall now.

Will this slow the process down?

[TMusic]

Also... when I switch the lights from 18/6 to 12/12 do I still cut the water during the dark? 12 hours seems like a long time without water.

[TMusic]

taken tonight. They're looking great. I've been at 90% nutes for 2 days and they seem to be happy. They still droop a little before the lights go out, but they recover pretty quickly.

I took some of my unused, flexible airline and made drip rings out of the straight tubing and t connectors. there are 4 holes in each ring and the water ALMOST comes out in individual drops. Its pretty steady, but its spread out to all 4 sides of the pot. This has kept the rapid rooter plugs from getting wet and all the roots get water, every watering. I have the pump on for 15 minutes every 3 hours now, actually I just switched it to 15 minutes every 2 hours. The temp in the box has been 65-75 with the lighs on and 58-64 with the lights off. Reservoir is 19c-20c.

The tallest one in the back left is 10 inches tall, the smallest one, the front left, is 8 inches. I plan on starting the flowering cycle next sunday. I only have 32 inches before I'll be too close to the light so I figure I start flowering at about a foot like palerider suggested. By the way, palerider has given me SOLID advice for the past couple weeks. Much Respect!!!

[palerider7777]

ty tmusic lol most of the time i get deemed the prick or don't write in perfect english on these forums nice to see i can help someone.anyways thats good that u made the ring and i'd say u should up the time on the feeding a lil more as there gettin bigger and will need more and i can't tell if it's the pic or not but are sum of ur leafs yellowing?? if so u might want to back off the nutes abit what are ur ppms at now?? and ur ph??

[TMusic]

I don't give a fuck about your english...and ... prick or not, you've still given sound advice and the plants can prove it. Thanks again.

no, the leaves aren't yellowing, just the few that are closest to the bottom, its just the hps light on the rest. There is about 1 cm between the top of the hydroton and the lowest set of leaves, and about 2 cm between each new growth on the main stem, is this normal? They seem really compact.

For watering, I'm using a timer with 15min increments, so i have to increase it to 30 mins, is this ok? ppm is at about 1000. ph is rising higher and more frequently with stronger nutes, but I try to adjust it to 5.5-6.0 at least 2 times a day. I just changed this tank of water on sunday and it got cloudy by monday afternoon, smelled bad again.

[palerider7777]

I don't give a fuck about your english...and ... prick or not, you've still given sound advice and the plants can prove it. Thanks again.

no, the leaves aren't yellowing, just the few that are closest to the bottom, its just the hps light on the rest. There is about 1 cm between the top of the hydroton and the lowest set of leaves, and about 2 cm between each new growth on the main stem, is this normal? They seem really compact.

For watering, I'm using a timer with 15min increments, so i have to increase it to 30 mins, is this ok? ppm is at about 1000. ph is rising higher and more frequently with stronger nutes, but I try to adjust it to 5.5-6.0 at least 2 times a day. I just changed this tank of water on sunday and it got cloudy by monday afternoon, smelled bad again.
^^^^^
the bottom leafs that are burnt are prob touching the clay balls from time to time, if so thats why as it sits on the wet hydroton and the nutes burn the leafs, i would cut them back so they don't touch the bucket or hydroton. and if ur wanting to trim ur plants up nows the time to do it.i would'nt do much but sum to clean things up.

and from what i've read, sum strains have tight nodes and that can be a good thing, so i would'nt worry bout that and i'd say 30mins is fine, there getting bigger now and as they do they want more food as well.with all the growth i see i think u will have sum good thick growth when u go 12/12, so there lookin nice keep it up and i would 'nt go higher than 1000ppm right now and that might be alil much as it is so watch them. and the bad smell can be from dead plant matter in the res im guessing as it happened to me as well.

[TMusic]

Day 36 from seeds. Pics just before the light came on today. the tallest point is 11 inches tall, grew about an inch yesterday.

[TMusic]

would any other trimming help? ...probably should leave them alone.

[palerider7777]

now would be a perfect time to fimm them it's great i fimmed my plants and man can i say it works bigggggg time put it this way i had 1 plant that had 20 tops to it, no lie it's hard for me to explain it but i'll try if u don't understand it look it up on here it's real easy to do and u will love the results believe me what u do is u see in ur picc the very last growth coming out the top the lil leafs sprouting out the top u cut about 80% of them off leaving the stem that there growing from and about 20% of the leafs left look it up on here i think theres sum pics on it to to show just how much to cut but it's really worth it if ur not sure do just 1or2 and leave the rest and u can see the diffrence fo sho....

[palerider7777]

but only if u have the room cause they will slow down upwards growth for about a week or less but it will start growing outwards u will def yeild alot more by fimming

[TMusic]

I had considered this and if these were clones I would do it, but they're not. I don't want to waste the time not knowing which ones are female.

But can a take a cutting or two from each plant? If I keep track of them I can only grow out the females and do something different next time.

[palerider7777]

i started all mine from seed too and i fimmed half of them i got lucky and 2 turned out to be fem if u have the space i'd go ahead with it it won't hurt and if they turn out to be males just toss them anyways so no harm but u will be able to see the extra growth just to see what and how it all works

[Cyclonite]

If you don't want to stress them at all just bend them down into the right shape for max light penetration....if you dont know how a strain will react to FIM or topping I wouldn't do it.

Have any shown sex yet? Should be soon....look very close on the nodes.

They look really good by the way....I only use a 80watt for veg mine are way more lanky than yours then on to the 600 digital HPS for flower.

Nut sure if your doing any bene. bacteria but your res should not smell bad....add some hydrogen peroxide to clear it up. You dont want to pump festering nutes to your plants, its bad news.

Hydrogen peroxide will kill good and bad bacteria, mostly bad since most good bacteria are aerobic but add enough and you kill them all. try 8ml 3% H2O2 per gallon....do it for a few days and see how they react, you might be pleasantly surprised.

[TMusic]

When I switch the lights to 12/12, do I still cut the water for the whole dark cycle? If not, how many time should I water them?

[TMusic]

If you don't want to stress them at all just bend them down into the right shape for max light penetration....if you dont know how a strain will react to FIM or topping I wouldn't do it.

Have any shown sex yet? Should be soon....look very close on the nodes.

They look really good by the way....I only use a 80watt for veg mine are way more lanky than yours then on to the 600 digital HPS for flower.

Nut sure if your doing any bene. bacteria but your res should not smell bad....add some hydrogen peroxide to clear it up. You dont want to pump festering nutes to your plants, its bad news.

Hydrogen peroxide will kill good and bad bacteria, mostly bad since most good bacteria are aerobic but add enough and you kill them all. try 8ml 3% H2O2 per gallon....do it for a few days and see how they react, you might be pleasantly surprised.

As for the sex ?... I have a few close ups on this website. International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - 1st grow, need a look, Pics (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=1263006#post1263006)The pics were too big for this one. Please take a look (they're at the bottom of the page) and tell me if i'm looking in the right place. Thanks everyone!

[palerider7777]

looks like a fem to me can't really tell but it looks like there is a white hair there

[TMusic]

I'll get some more pics this afternoon...

I just got laid off/fired for being early to work and opening my mouth about some bullshit that I saw. I am so disappointed in the people I work with. I loved my job. What a shitty day...

[palerider7777]

fuck umm,,it sucks i know but fuck umm

[TMusic]

you're right... fuck em!

My day will get a whole lot better if my plants respond well to the first day of 12/12. The largest plant was about 12 inches last night so I decided to do it this morning. I would have liked to get the smaller one a little bigger but I only have 32 inches to work with before I get too close to the light.

How long do I keep up with the veg nutes? I've read 1 or 2 days-2 weeks, just want your personal opinions.

[palerider7777]

i'd start out slow and add alil at a time i went from veg to 12/12 i changed out my nutes from around 500 i took it to 750/800 then after about 2 to 3 weeks i went to1200 over the 3week time span and i never got any burn or anything like that but depends on ur plants too i would'nt go from say 500 to 1000 but over time work it up to that

[TMusic]

I'm at 1000 right now. Day 42, 3rd day into flowering. The largest plant looks like a female. There are a few sets of little white hairs on the main growth tip.

Is it too late to clone or take a cutting? Will it slow down the flowering process?

Still on veg nutes. I'm changing the water today and switching to the flowering nutes. Still using the Technaflora BC line.

Flowering Nutes
BC Boost
BC Bloom
Awesome Blossom
Thrive Alive B-1 Red
MagiCal
Sugar Daddy
Hygrozyme - I asked the guy at the hydro store and he had nothing but good things to say about this stuff.

[palerider7777]

hygrozime is the best i use it too most on here will say don't cut anything in flower stage as it can turn hermi but stinky said she takes clones early in flower sometimes so and i myself have taken a couple within the first week and it did nothing to my plants and i trimmed them up through out the flower stage and nothing has happened to mine so just be easy i would'nt take alot maybe 1 from each and u can grow them out and toss the males as u find them say u take 1 from each and label as what went with what plant and as u see sex on the main plants u can toss the ones that are male and the clone that went with it.eveybody has good safe info on here but i have found that this whole growing thing no one has it down 100% as iv'e done things that everyone has said to never do and mine are fine even down to how u start them i started all mine in the rr's under300w of cfl's in a dome and had 98% success everytime. but i listen to most of what is said on here and tweak it from there to fit u. as long as u don't go crazy with it.

[TMusic]

should I take them from the bottom or top? do I put it on 24/0 or 18/6 and for how long?

[Opie Yutts]

should I take them from the bottom or top? do I put it on 24/0 or 18/6 and for how long?

24/0 is for development above ground only, or at least slowed root development. 18/6 is for balanced development as needed. Plants draw in the stuff they need during light hours, and process it for development during dark. Plants will do better overall if they eventually get some dark time, otherwise roots will not develop properly. I never do 24/0.

[palerider7777]

yea i do 18/6 on mine and they seem to love it

[palerider7777]

24/0 is for development above ground only, or at least slowed root development. 18/6 is for balanced development as needed. Plants draw in the stuff they need during light hours, and process it for development during dark. Plants will do better overall if they eventually get some dark time, otherwise roots will not develop properly. I never do 24/0.

i love ur sig btw it's great lmao

[TMusic]

I noticed that there is no room between the leaves of the plant and the hydroton. They can't be getting much airflow on the bottom. Aside from the clones that I plan on taking in the next couple hours, can I trim some of the extra bottom stuff off? Small leaves or bottom branching?

[palerider7777]

yes sum do i've seen on here where they trim half way up i left all mine on i cut very lil and all the bottom branches caught up with the top and became almost as big as the main top but u have to remember i fimmed mine and thats what happens if ur not gonna fimm or top in anyway i would atleast cut the stuff thats touching the hydroton as those leafs will dies from nute burn if u leave them

[TMusic]

So I trimmed a little on one plant, a little more on another, stripped the bottom 3 or 4 inches on another, and left the biggest alone. I really don't want to fuck with the cloning thing right now so I'm just going to be patient and get some quality genetics for my next grow. (got my eye on super silver haze and carmelicious)

Meanwhile, day 5 of flowering and nothing but good news. All 5 of the plants I started out with look like they're female. I'm pretty sure about 4 and I'll know about the other one tomorrow or the next day. Do the male's show up later than the females or can I be pretty sure once I get pistils?

Assuming I get 5 females, how can I maximize my yeild? I only have about 32 vertical inches to work with. Grow space is 2x4, 2 of the walls are pretty close and mylar lined, the other 2 are about 12" away and also mylar lined. The light is a 400w hps. If they double or triple in size, they're are going to be real tight, they're tight already... I just want to do this right you know?

[TMusic]

i took a couple clones today. A couple thick ones, a few smaller ones. This is my 1st time with all this so I just followed a cloning thread, tried some other stuff I had read about, and did what I thought made sense. Cuttings from bottom of plants, into water, soaked the rapid rooter plugs in ph'd water with a few drops of root 66. 3-5 inches long, cut off the bottom leaves, cut bottom at 45 degree angle with a razor blade, dipped in roottech, 3/4" into the plug. under the dome, 2-23w cfl's. Couple drops of root66 and thrive alive B1green in the water.

How often should I water/spray/both?

Once they're rooted, can I put them right into 12/12 or should I leave them under the cfl for a week or two?

[palerider7777]

i took a couple clones today. A couple thick ones, a few smaller ones. This is my 1st time with all this so I just followed a cloning thread, tried some other stuff I had read about, and did what I thought made sense. Cuttings from bottom of plants, into water, soaked the rapid rooter plugs in ph'd water with a few drops of root 66. 3-5 inches long, cut off the bottom leaves, cut bottom at 45 degree angle with a razor blade, dipped in roottech, 3/4" into the plug. under the dome, 2-23w cfl's. Couple drops of root66 and thrive alive B1green in the water.

How often should I water/spray/both?

Once they're rooted, can I put them right into 12/12 or should I leave them under the cfl for a week or two?

u can go 12/12 after a good set of roots but u know the long u let them grow and the bigger they get the more they will produce i have proof heres a pic of mine.enjoy other than that it sounds like u have the cloning down thats looks good to me.

ps this one is ice

[palerider7777]

sorry pics are so big just got a new hd cam and im trying to get it to work i had to crop that 1 down i have to add 1 at a time as there so big and u can see it better like it is with out clicking on it

ps thats one of my biggest tops on this one

[palerider7777]

here

[TMusic]

The two biggest ones with the thickest stems are getting droopy and falling over. How much water do they need?

[palerider7777]

that will happen just treat them like lil seedlings and they should be fine

[TMusic]

your plants look great btw.

[palerider7777]

pretty good i think for going from not knowing anything about plants to what they are now it's my first but i'll only get better from here.it took me 2 weeks to get the basics down then i went from there i started out with veggies first to see how everything works and once they were big enough to move outside then i started the real stuff lol but this first grow has taught me alot and i took it slow to i tried not to over do anything any updated pics of urs??

[TMusic]

yeah, I'm out the door for work but I'll get some when I get home. They're looking great!

[Opie Yutts]

TMusic:

How often should I water/spray/both?
You don't want the RR sitting in water. They should be somewhere between moist and wet. When you put water in the tray, try to make the amount just right so that the RR soak up the maximum they can hold, but no more. Keep the dome on at all times, except a couple times a day take it off and blow some lung air into the plants and dome. That's usually all I have to do as far as moisture. If you see them wilting you can give them a couple spritzes of water, or use some anti-wilt, though I've never needed it. After they get 2 or 3" of roots, start hardening. Crack the dome with a pencil or something and see if they can take it. Keep increasing the open space under the dome until they can handle it with the dome completley off. Watch for signs of mold or rot, especially where yellow or brown leaves touch the plastic. If any, pick it off and use a little less water. Also spray with an antifungal. No nutes except a small amount of B1 to promote root growth.

Once they're rooted, can I put them right into 12/12 or should I leave them under the cfl for a week or two?
You can flower immeadiatly and many people do. Depends on your space and your needs. I like to let mine veg about 2 months, then flower. The longer you veg, the more weed. Remember plants will increase in size by 2 or 3 times once flowering is induced, so plan accordingly. If you decide to veg awhile, consider throwing a couple more lights on them. More light = more growth = more weed.

[Opie Yutts]

Oh, sometimes instead of hardening in the cloner, I'll put the plants in my medium and cover each one with a baggie, and start hardening from there. (A little more dangerous.)

[TMusic]

Here are a few pics. Flowering day 6.

The help I get here is incredible, thank you all and please keep it coming!

[palerider7777]

nice pics did u top them or fim them? i see alot of growth, there growing quite nice

[TMusic]

no i never topped of fim'ed them. I'll try that with a couple of the clones once they're ready. I guess I have to wait until the current grow is done until I can flower the clones so I have what, 7 weeks to veg, train, top, fim or anything else i want to try.

Can I veg the best couple clones out and use them as mothers or would that be better from seed?

[palerider7777]

no u can make mothers out of clones i have 2 that are from clone now but u kindda want to pick the best out of the bunch and make that a mother so say u have 10 plants and u see 2 or 3 are looking bigger better than the rest u would flower the rest and keep the best out of them.

[TMusic]

I know how much you guys hate the questions concerning potential yeild, but I only want to ask one, I promise... just be easy...

The way I'm growing, can I expect at least 1 dry oz from a plant?

I feel so ridiculous, I'm sorry, and REALLY curious... Thanks in advance...

[palerider7777]

i would say atleast 3 per plant as my smallest one will be about 4 to 6 oz per and with the growth ur showing i would say more than a oz i pulled 1 of my lowest branches 5 days ago and dry it came to 9g and the plant still has about 2 weeks to go i just wanted to see what it was like lol

[TMusic]

but you FIM'ed right?

[palerider7777]

i fimmed 2 out of my six and those 2 are triple the size of the rest but my biggest top u saw in the pics i did'nt fim and that 1 alone looks to yeild around 4 atleast and it's just the 1 top and bud going all the way down the stalk i do have 1 thats the smallest "not fimmed" and it looks to be about 2 to 3 oz worth dry but i also let them get about 3 1/2 ft b4 i went 12/12 but with all the growth u have i know it will be more than 1oz per closer to 2 or 3 im guessing depends on how everything goes if it stays going like it is yea i think more than 1

[TMusic]

Are there any other nutes I can get to help me along, I'm on day 10 of flowering and 1 is getting hairy, the other four are showing little signs, a few hairs here and there, but NO BALLS yet. Are there any nute additives that will help?

considering the insane bushiness of the "mango kush" - that's what the shady guy said it was- I'm going to try a scrog with the 3 clones that I got from her sexy ass...

What are a few other really good hydroponic growing mediums? I want to try something different. I've also decided that I hate small pots and need to use bigger ones.

[palerider7777]

i use 5inch grow pots i made my own system i took 33gal rubbermaid cut 8 holes in each top to fit the 5inch nets in then i got sum 1/2 pvc and 4 elbows to fit inside the33gal res like a square then got some misters that sprayed at a 180% or 360 and drilled 4 on each side and 3 on each end oh yea 1 of the elbow i got had a threaded hole in the bottom i used that to hook my pump up to. i also have 2 air hogs or 1 duel hog per res i also left 1 of the front 5inch nets with just hydroton nothing else so i can drop a pump in to the res to change out nutes i drilled a hole in the wall to the out side as it's not in my home and hooked up a line to hook up my pump to so i can pump out my old nutes to the outside instead of having to fill 5 gal buckets i can either pump it to a res outside or into the ground i did my set up that way to get the best of both worlds aero/dwc and so if 1 goes out i have the other.

[palerider7777]

and i think rocwool is a 50/50 shot as it's alot harder to maintain but thats just me on that 1 sum people use coco but i just go with what i think is the easiest to work with i like my set up with the room i have now if i get a bigger place i'll for sure be looking at the aero 60 or build 1 of my own based off that as will be less to grow in a way and as u can get about an oz per plant and quicker tooi started my grow june 10th and im not even done yet but i did let them veg over 2 months but by doning that im gonna yeild a hell of alot more so im glad i did in a way

[TMusic]

is it ok to transplant to a bigger pot in the middle of flowering? the biggest one was overflowing again and I really didnt want to cut the pot into pieces. I got some 6 inch round pots transplanted them all. The biggest one was so full of roots that NONE of the hydroton came out. it looked like solid roots.

the guy at the hydro store said this would be ok, was he right or did i fuck up by doing this at the stage that I'm at?

[palerider7777]

ur fine as long as u did'nt break of any roots, and even if u broke off alil it would maybe stunt the growth for a couple days to a week i don't see any harm i just went with the 5inch just to make sure. the 3 inch pots they use in the areo pipe systems but they flower as soon as roots pretty much start showing so there no where as big as we would be growing there main thing is just growing enough to get an oz per plant

[TMusic]

i broke a couple, on one or two of the plants. and I mean a couple, 2 or 3 at the most.

Here is a pic of the roots of the biggest plant.

http://www.icmag.com/gallery/data/500/27942DSC00730.JPG

[TMusic]

heres the pic

[TMusic]

1 more

[palerider7777]

nice root system u have there yea u should be just fine but im wondering how u have urs set up ur on a drip like a nft?? mine are hanging down in the res u don't have a res do u? or urs is on a flood and drain table type thing?either way those r gonna be nice i'd advise u to rig up some side lighting as i did to mine and the inner lower flowers thickend up nicely u can make them with the 150w cfls or smalleror if u have a hydro shop close u can buy these lights called sunblaze strips 2ft or 4ft size as anything will help get light under all that growth believe me it helps and u want the most yeild u can get

[TMusic]

Here are a couple pics of the setup

The side lighting is something I had considered but never got around to getting them. During Veg I had 2 CFL's in there, once I thought about putting them in there, they seemed to love it, but I took them out when I started 12/12.

I have some doubts now about the sex of these plants and its driving me crazy. There is no doubt a couple pistils on this plant but, is this a male? These two things are only on one side of the stem and these are the only two on the plant. These pics are of the same plant.

[TMusic]

I never saw any balls

[TMusic]

ok, about the setup, I was getting there, sorry...

So I've read before that a top feed is alot like an NFT, but, lack of experience keeps me from REALLY knowing how to compare the two. Here are a couple pics of my system. There is a 20 gal reservoir, with a small (160gph) recirculating water pump, under the table, which is a flood and drain table, you're right. A 400gph water pump gets the water to 1 main line, then to each plant and drip ring. The drained water goes back into the rez.

[TMusic]

I never saw any balls

it looks like little clusters of leaves

[TMusic]

ok, about the setup, I was getting there, sorry...

So I've read before that a top feed is alot like an NFT, but, lack of experience keeps me from REALLY knowing how to compare the two. Here are a couple pics of my system. There is a 20 gal reservoir, with a small (160gph) recirculating water pump, under the table, which is a flood and drain table, you're right. A 400gph water pump gets the water to 1 main line, then to each plant and drip ring. The drained water goes back into the rez.

here are the pics

[palerider7777]

thats not the the sex parts urs are not showing yet

[TMusic]

Ok, I figured 16 days into 12/12 and I would know by now. These purple kush plants are taking forever to start flowering

[TMusic]

Look at the first pic, right in the middle, right where the 3rd set of branches meets the main stem. They look like little heads of lettuce... Are you sure its not a male?

Its driving me crazy. They're on a few more spots today.

[palerider7777]

oh ok i see what ur talking about it's a lil fuzzy/blured but if those lil balls have stems u know like a trich has a stem with a ball on the end of it then yes it's a male fems are like 1 set per node males will start growing all over the place on the stem in the node all over and they will cluster up too so if u start to see the stems u need to cut as when the stem grows and the lil ball droops over then it's about to or already have dropped it's pollen i like to chop when i start to see the stem and the balls start to cluster

[TMusic]

on a female, what comes first. The calyx or the pistil?

[Opie Yutts]

Those little hairs are a good sign it's female.

[palerider7777]

http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-growing/136052-update-pics-u-like.html#post1670692

[Opie Yutts]

I don't know, maybe these will help, maybe you've seen them.

First one is male, 2nd female. I thought yours looked more like the 2nd one.

[TMusic]

I think I've seen those before but thank you. Truth is, I've been looking for a reason to get rid of one and make some more room for the rest. So I removed it. I really felt like the other four need the space.

Aside from the big plant, supposedly mango kush, the others have had a really slow 2 weeks. Not much has changed, gained a little height, a little new growth, but not much more.... Or less for that matter... They still look healthy and are not showing any other signs of stress. I'll get a few pics tomorrow. Thank you all for the help. Keep it coming.

[TMusic]

Today is day 14 for the clones and still no roots. The tips are yellowing now. I'm still feeding them RO water with some B1. Do I need to change or add anything?

[palerider7777]

did u use cloning gel?? it's funny i cut a clone about a week ago and i had a bucket of water/nutes i pumped out of the res and the ppm's were at 1300 and i just stuck it in the bucket without doing anything to it as i did'nt cut it for the clone but because my mother was growing so much i was running out of room so i cut it and stuck it into the bucket and after about a week theres new growth so im very suprized at this as it's been sittin in 1300ppm nute water mix and theres no burning or anything and it's growing lmao and it goes against everything iv'e read so who knows...

[TMusic]

yeah I used roottech (the technaflora product), also soaked the Rapid Rooter plugs in Root 66 and some B1. I've been spraying them with really weak B1 for the last 2 weeks. I'm pretty sure I did everything right when I cut them. I cut them all at once, put them in water right away, 45 degree angle, a couple 1/4" slits down the side, into the gel, into the plug. The first dome I had didn't seal very well and dried out really quickly, this dried the plugs out pretty quick too. The humidity was not where it should have been. I picked up the new dome and the heating mat on day 7 and have been using it ever since. They look really healthy aside form the yellow leaf tips and NO ROOTS! What's making them yellow?

[palerider7777]

might be lacking nitrogen lets see some pics it's a shame im the only 1 with input on ur thread lol

[TMusic]

its all good dude. I'd rather have 1 person give me great advice than have to weed out the crap that some people get on their threads...

pun?

I'll get some pics up in a minute.

[TMusic]

sorry battery is dead on the camera, I'll get them up soon.

I'm going to the hydro store today and I'm doing some planning ahead. The next grow I do, I think i'm going to scrog 2 of the 3 clones that I got from the biggest plant. Top them a couple times, maybe a fim or 2? point is... I'm planning on seeing roots in the next 10 days so I guess I need to get some things together so I can make sure my #2 space is ready to veg them.

I'm growing the 3rd clone out as a mother. I'm guessing this is the only way to keep this plant around right? I'm really impressed with its growth. Its flowering really nice, its SUPER bushy, stocky stem and side shoots. There are 6 big side branches on each of the 4 sides and the tops are all about equal size right now.

...and its my 1st plant, kinda special...you know?

A couple ?'s...

Can I use CFL's to veg the clones and mothers?
Is there a difference in quality of the mother plant if I decide to put her in soil?
Is there anything wrong with putting the 2 plants that I want to scrog in 1 large (maybe 18"wide x 24"long x 12"deep) container filled with hydroton?

[TMusic]

I think the lights have been too close to the clones, they've been growing taller, but...no roots. I've had the lights about 1/2" from the top of the dome this whole time and just now read that the light is supposed to be a foot away.

[TMusic]

here are a few pics. What do you think?

[palerider7777]

i see u have been spraying them down it's ok to do that but with the light that close u should only do it at lights out as the water can create a magnifying effect on the leafs what kindda light r u using now on them??if it's cfl's then yes u can have them that close but if it's hps or mh then no u need to raise it to about a ft as it's to much for them now and yes u can use cfl's on ur mother and veg as thats what im using 4 150's set up 2 per socket with the y spliter and there loving it so yes u can use just the cfl's and keep it at 18/6

[TMusic]

Here are some pics of the plant that I cloned and will eventually be scrogging. The flowers are a little deceiving in some spots. They look like male preflowers and then they open up and spit out a couple hairs. This is by far the best looking plant.

[TMusic]

One more...

[palerider7777]

thats alot of growth whats ur light setup again i think u will be needing more light soon as theres alot of growth there and ur gonna need to get light to the bottom but there lookin nice

[TMusic]

single 400w hps and lots of mylar

[TMusic]

So, it took 15 days for the clones to root, but I'm kinda worried about the yellow leaf tips. What do I need to change? Can I leave them in the dome and tray for a few more days? Do they need ventilation yet? Also, now that they're rooted, can I move the light closer or will that make the leaves yellow(er)? At what point do I drop the humidity?

[palerider7777]

whats ur humidity at now?? i just keep mine at around 40 to 50 % yea u can take the dome off now and put a lil air on them and as far as the yellowing as long as it's not getting worse u should be fine is it still just yellow or does it look burnt??

[Cyclonite]

Yellowing of leaves in clones means roots are in business and they need some food...just a bit.

[palerider7777]

yea i was gonna say maybe there starting to use the nitrogen in the leafs

[Opie Yutts]

Once they get 2 or 3 inches of roots they can handle a slight bit of nutrients.

[TMusic]

thanks a lot for the responses. I took the dome off last night, started watering the RR plugs a little more often and they look good. Most of them have 1/4" roots coming out of the sides of the plug.

I have a few questions...
When should I put them into the hydroton?
How strong on the nutes?

I'm going to have to build a second box and drip system so I can veg these while the others flower. How important are light leaks during veg? should I fim them or top them or a combo of the two (if so, how?)

I plan on scrogging next grow, is it ok to put the two or three plants in 1 large container with the hydroton?

[Cyclonite]

Hey BTW good job, my last one wasn't my best, just keep attention to the critical details and the rest falls into place. Don't get lazy....that kinda got me after a few grows amd kicked me in the ass.

[TMusic]

Day 24 of flowering... think its time for full stregnth nutes now?

Plants look great btw, they're stretching pretty fast, about 3/4" - 1" a day for the biggest one, does this eventually stop?. I lowered the light 7-8" from the highest plants' top, added a fan that blows right over the top of the plants and over the glass on the light. Still a nice 74-79 degrees with the light on. Nute change tomorrow, I'll get a few pics up asap.

Killed a clone yesterday...16 hours at work kept me away, the tray dried up and dried a few of the RR plugs out. I watered 2 of the droopy ones and they seem to be doing fine, the other plugs held their moisture. Also getting some soil for the clone I plan on mothering... or would it be better to re-veg the plant I have in flower right now?

I also have a couple ?'s... 2 posts above this one... Thanks!!!! You guys are the best!!!

[palerider7777]

thanks a lot for the responses. I took the dome off last night, started watering the RR plugs a little more often and they look good. Most of them have 1/4" roots coming out of the sides of the plug.

I have a few questions...
When should I put them into the hydroton?
How strong on the nutes?

I'm going to have to build a second box and drip system so I can veg these while the others flower. How important are light leaks during veg? should I fim them or top them or a combo of the two (if so, how?)

I plan on scrogging next grow, is it ok to put the two or three plants in 1 large container with the hydroton?

when they have a good root system,just like u would from seed,nutes too,light leaks on veg what do u mean by this as long as there 18/6 or 24/0 u won't have a problem in veg or are u gonna have them both in the same room and ur gonna make a lil closed in box for them?and u can't top and fimm only 1 or the other i would fimm goto faq or type in fimm u should find a tut on it

[Opie Yutts]

You put them in hydroton when they are hardened, and have about 3 inches of good root mass. If they are not hardened, you can put a baggie over each on for a humidity dome, and harden individually, but that's the more dangerous and definitely more difficult way. Both work.

About 1/4 to 1/3 strength nutes at first, every week or two increase until full strength.

A few light leaks are OK. It doesn't have to be 100% light proof, but it should be mostly. I'd say 95% light proof is fine.

I would guess several plants in one big container of hydroton should be fine, just give them their space. I did it in dirt once and everything was fine.

[Opie Yutts]

It's been my experience that FIMing and topping produce about the same yield, and FIMing is harder to do properly. FIM is a kind of topping, but the placement and shape of the cut is critical. If you do it right you should get 3-8 new branches instead of 2 or 3 with topping. The more branches, the smaller each cola per branch. It kind of evens out in the end. Now... I'm ready for the insults and disagreements.

[palerider7777]

It's been my experience that FIMing and topping produce about the same yield, and FIMing is harder to do properly. FIM is a kind of topping, but the placement and shape of the cut is critical. If you do it right you should get 3-8 new branches instead of 2 or 3 with topping. The more branches, the smaller each cola per branch. It kind of evens out in the end. Now... I'm ready for the insults and disagreements.

the 2 i fimmed my last grow 1 had 25 tops and yielded5oz dry and the other had 18 and had 4oz dry:thumbsup:they were huge

[TMusic]

Here are a couple pics from yesterday. The close up is the top of the biggest plant and as you can see in the full shot, its taking over the "world". It has twice the girth as the next biggest plant and makes the 2 plants in the front look like midgets. I have a feeling that the two small plants needed more veg time to reach their potential. The buds they're producing are really small but they look like incredible. I'm hoping that they're just long bloomers and will eventually produce. If not, I'll add most of it the the hash fund.

[attachment=o161492][attachment=o161493]

As for the clones. Instead of spending the money on the supplies for a new hydro setup, I decided to put them all in soil. I plan on vegging them for a while and keeping the best 2 or 3 for mothers. I'm going to be moving in the beginning of next year and I really don't want to get stuck trying to move in the middle flowering the next crop. This will also give me the much needed experience of a soil grow and the chance to experiment a little with topping, fimming, etc.
[attachment=o161494][attachment=o161495]

[Opie Yutts]

Looks pretty good. Careful though, some babies leaf tips look stressed. Just don't over fert and watch PH, everything should be good. Looks like your going to have a bunch of real nice buds in a few weeks. Congrats!

[TMusic]

^^^Thanks

I took a really close look at the budsites today, the tips on some of the hairs are turning darker. I can't tell if its orange or brown. Its on about 10% of them and they're on the side closest to the filament of the 400w hps. Is this ok?

[Opie Yutts]

Yes that's completely normal. It just means its getting closer to harvest time, and more will continue to turn brown. Some people gauge when to harvest by the hairs, but this is not reliable. The prefered method of course is to check trichomes.

[TMusic]

cool...since it was only on the side closest to the light, I was afraid I was burning them. I've had the light about 8 or 9 inches from the top of the biggest plant for the last 2 weeks.

[Opie Yutts]

Some people say that if you can hold your hand by the plant tops then it is not too hot. I disagree with this due to personal experience. I like to hang a thermometer over the light, at the top of the plants so it's directly under the light. It needs to be under 100 or you could have problems. Under 95 to be safe.

I was assuming those hairs were turning first because they are the closest to the brightest area in the grow. This happens all the time, but if it feels pretty hot under the light, I would check like I described. 8 or 9 inches sounds fine for 400 watts, but it's close to the borderline.

[TMusic]

I've done that a few times as well and it never gets above 92 without a cover over the thermometer. There were some hairs turning darker on the lower buds of those same branches. By the time the light went off yesterday, some of the buds on the other side of the plant had started as well. The second largest plant, which looks a lot different than the others, has a few purple hairs or really small leaf tips on the top and the larger leaves around it. The other two are really short but are producing some super stinky and resinous buds.

[Opie Yutts]

Mmm mmm, it all sounds too good to be true.

[TMusic]

that's exactly what I think every time I go in there. I can't believe it...

[the image reaper]

the color of the 'hairs' means nothing ... :smokin:

[TMusic]

"thanks"

[Opie Yutts]

In general when the pistils start turning brown it is getting close to harvest time, maybe 2 weeks, maybe a month. It's different for different strains. It is no way however, to tell when to harvest. You need to check trichomes.

[TMusic]

Ok, I understand. Once the plants stop growing "up," will the buds start getting bigger faster? I think they stopped stretching 2 or 3 days ago... just want to know what to expect...

[Opie Yutts]

You can expect nugs to fatten up until harvest, and to keep getting taller. The rate in which they grow vertically seems to slow down a week or two before harvest.

[TMusic]

The biggest plant hasn't grow vertically in a 2 or 3 days, I just hope the buds get bigger, they're all pretty small, but they look pretty powerful. I'm not really complaining.... I'm on day 31 of flowering so I just hope they put on some weight in the next couple weeks.

Here are a some pics from a few minutes ago.

[Opie Yutts]

They'll probably get quite a bit bigger before harvest.

[TMusic]

I hope so.

[palerider7777]

nice there lookin good

[Opie Yutts]

TMusic, I wasn't going to ask, but my curiosity is just too strong. How did you get negative rep? I understand rep is a bogus system that can be manipulated unfairly, but I'm still curious. If you prefer not to answer I completely understand. I probably shouldn't have asked anyway.

[xcrispi]

Show him some luv then Opie !!!!
So far so good , keep up the good work man .
Now be good !!!! Nomore neg. rep. LOL
Peace
Crispi :stoned:

[TMusic]

Truthfully...I didn't even know I had it. 98% of my total posts are in this thread and my lack of experience keeps me from posting in too many others. If someone else knows, I'd like to hear it.

Anyway...went to the store today to get some nutes and I picked up a bottle of Fox Farm's Beastie Bloomz and a bottle of Cha Ching. Anyone know how well these products work? It says that they're made for mid/late flowering, I'm just hoping for a good swell in the next few weeks and the guy said these products are popular.

[Opie Yutts]

Truthfully...I didn't even know I had it. 98% of my total posts are in this thread and my lack of experience keeps me from posting in too many others. If someone else knows, I'd like to hear it.

If you click User CP in the navigation toward the top you will see your recent rep messages and who gave them to you.


Anyway...went to the store today to get some nutes and I picked up a bottle of Fox Farm's Beastie Bloomz and a bottle of Cha Ching. Anyone know how well these products work? It says that they're made for mid/late flowering, I'm just hoping for a good swell in the next few weeks and the guy said these products are popular.

I have not used either product, but I am constantly hearing good things about both. I guess that's why they're popular.

[TMusic]

Thank you both... The neg rep was from a couple guys, one that I called ignorant in a politically based thread, and the other was from a guy who swore that mylar is a waste of money and has the same reflecting abilities as aluminum foil. He was going on and on...I told him he needed to smoke a joint.

[Cyclonite]

funny...rep points, I get negative ones for no reason some times. Or the comment will say good job with the grow neg rep....blah.

Also it urks me a bit that I try and help people with useful information and another person who doesn't post anything useful will have tons of rep.

[Opie Yutts]

Yep, like I mentioned it's a bogus system. It's just supposed to be more for fun than to show what a good weed farmer a guy is. Cyclonite, here's a little for you too.

[palerider7777]

funny...rep points, I get negative ones for no reason some times. Or the comment will say good job with the grow neg rep....blah.

Also it urks me a bit that I try and help people with useful information and another person who doesn't post anything useful will have tons of rep.

thats why i turned mine off to much bs

[TMusic]

I didn't care about it before opie mentioned it to me...and I think I care even less now.

[Opie Yutts]

That's the spirit!

[TMusic]

What's up guys. Been a little busy at work and blah blah blah.

First, thank you all, again, for the invaluable advice that you've given me so far. I don;t know what these plants would look like without it.

[attachment=o164940] a lil fuzzy, but you get the idea

So, as for the plants. Today is day 50 of flowering. I chopped one of them about a week ago. She turned out to be a raging hermaphrodite. So I'm down to three. The 1 big mango and 2 purp.

I'm still using Technaflora nutes, the "new" recipe. I've also started using FoxFarm's Beastie Bloomz (for 1 week) then switched to ChaChing last week.

Here's the mango. The first pic is the top of the plant. The second pic is the top bud of the lowest branch. I've been reading what I could find about this mango strain, says somewhere that its a 10-12 week floweing plant. If that's true, I have a long way to go. But I guess I understand why that could be. It took about 2 weeks to show real signs of flowers, then it stretched about 10 inches over the weeks 3-4 and most of 5. Now its just filling out. Trichs are almost all clear still, cloudy in some spots, maybe 5%.

[attachment=o164941][attachment=o164942]

Here are the other two. They're still about 1/4 the size of the mango, but I'm assuming that they'll finish much sooner. The one on the right has some scars of natural selection. Since I'm concentrating on the mango, and blasting them with 1500-1600ppm, I decided I'm not going to adjust the levels to accomodate the smaller plants, I burned them for sure. Trich's on these are almost all cloudy, I saw 1 or 2 amber in my field of vision with the 30X handheld microscope, so less than 1%.
[attachment=o164943][attachment=o164944]

The clones are doing well too. I'm going to experiment a little with the mango clones. Since I already know what this plant likes to do if left untrained, I want to know what else it likes too. A couple weeks ago I fimmed 1 of them, yesterday I started LST on one, and I havent decided what to do with the 3rd one yet. Any suggestions?

Hope all is well in everyone's garden. Leave me some input, thanks again.

T

[palerider7777]

What's up guys. Been a little busy at work and blah blah blah.

First, thank you all, again, for the invaluable advice that you've given me so far. I don;t know what these plants would look like without it.

[attachment=o164940] a lil fuzzy, but you get the idea

So, as for the plants. Today is day 50 of flowering. I chopped one of them about a week ago. She turned out to be a raging hermaphrodite. So I'm down to three. The 1 big mango and 2 purp.

I'm still using Technaflora nutes, the "new" recipe. I've also started using FoxFarm's Beastie Bloomz (for 1 week) then switched to ChaChing last week.

Here's the mango. The first pic is the top of the plant. The second pic is the top bud of the lowest branch. I've been reading what I could find about this mango strain, says somewhere that its a 10-12 week floweing plant. If that's true, I have a long way to go. But I guess I understand why that could be. It took about 2 weeks to show real signs of flowers, then it stretched about 10 inches over the weeks 3-4 and most of 5. Now its just filling out. Trichs are almost all clear still, cloudy in some spots, maybe 5%.

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Here are the other two. They're still about 1/4 the size of the mango, but I'm assuming that they'll finish much sooner. The one on the right has some scars of natural selection. Since I'm concentrating on the mango, and blasting them with 1500-1600ppm, I decided I'm not going to adjust the levels to accomodate the smaller plants, I burned them for sure. Trich's on these are almost all cloudy, I saw 1 or 2 amber in my field of vision with the 30X handheld microscope, so less than 1%.
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The clones are doing well too. I'm going to experiment a little with the mango clones. Since I already know what this plant likes to do if left untrained, I want to know what else it likes too. A couple weeks ago I fimmed 1 of them, yesterday I started LST on one, and I havent decided what to do with the 3rd one yet. Any suggestions?

Hope all is well in everyone's garden. Leave me some input, thanks again.

T


fimm them once they get about 3 sets of branches and they'll do great i'd chop the ones that are all cloudy and leave the mangos to get more light i did this and everyone loved it

[MVP]

Thank you both... The neg rep was from a couple guys, one that I called ignorant in a politically based thread, and the other was from a guy who swore that mylar is a waste of money and has the same reflecting abilities as aluminum foil. He was going on and on...I told him he needed to smoke a joint.

Damn TMusic, he negged you for telling him to spark a fatty? All the + Rep for ya that I can give!!! If they can't handle the heat, why the fuck are they even in the kitchen???

[TMusic]

that's what I'm sayin...

[Opie Yutts]

Oh golly gee wiz and holy poopiness, TMusic. Those are some nice healthy-looking plants, complete with big gobs of dankish sugar buds. Thanks for the update. I'll bet you that mango is going to be some damn nice smoke. Looking forward to harvest pictures and smoking reports, if any.

Suggestions? Can't think of many except that I suggest you keep up the good work, get as much light as possible to the bud sites, consider using a screen to maximize space and light, and invite me over to help with the harvest. All I ask in return for helping with the harvest is to keep any finger hash I end up with on my hands. Oh wait, I was going to ask if I misunderstood you, or did you say that you were FIMing/topping during flowering. If so, this is generally a bad idea. For one thing, topping sometimes shocks the plant a little, and ends up slowing down the growth, or even completely stopping it for a week or two. Your plants won't flower a week or two longer to make up for it, so you end up with decreased yield.

I just bought the 3 part series, Open Sesame, Beastie Bloomz and Cha Ching. There goes a quick $66, but I'm assuming it will last quite awhile, and be very beneficial to the bud and resin production. Haven't started flowering yet, but looking forward to seeing the results. I was wondering if you have any advice or suggestions about using these, before a virgin bloom additive adder starts the regime. Anything you can think of, no matter how seemingly insignificant.

[Opie Yutts]

Damn TMusic, he negged you for telling him to spark a fatty? ...If they can't handle the heat, why the fuck are they even in the kitchen???

Ah you know people, the biggest waste of carbon on this planet... A bunch of friggen morons IMO. Present company excluded of course.

[palerider7777]

. Oh wait, I was going to ask if I misunderstood you, or did you say that you were FIMing/topping during flowering. If so, this is generally a bad idea. For one thing, topping sometimes shocks the plant a little, and ends up slowing down the growth, or even completely stopping it for a week or two. Your plants won't flower a week or two longer to make up for it, so you end up with decreased yield.

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i thought it said that too and i was gonna say bad idea but then i reread it and i think he means his new clones that he took thats why i wrote that as from the pics they don't look fimmed

[TMusic]

The flowering plants areen't fimmed or topped, they're just growing untrained. I was refer-ing to the clones.

[TMusic]

so i think I'm going to start flushing soon. Do I do it with ph water or do I keep up with anything that I'm currently feeding them. I have to keep in mind that the mango might have 3 weeks left so can start cutting anything early?

[Opie Yutts]

Once you start flushing you should not be feeding them anything, with the possible exception of a flushing agent, which is basically sugar water. I suppose you could flush the mango for 2 weeks and the others for 1, or something like that.

[TMusic]

Let's play a game...its called, "What's Wrong With This Picture?"
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[TMusic]

Here's one more in case the 1st one didn't do it for you...[attachment=o165438]

[Opie Yutts]

OK, you win the game, at least the one between you and I. I didn't see anything much wrong. Slight leaf curl up, slight nute burn on the tips, not a biggie. Can't be certain, but the trichs don't look overly amber. It's a little dark, too much Nitrogen?

I give. About the only thing I see wrong with it is that all that yummy sugar is not dried, cured, and in my bowl.

[TMusic]

Come on...

[Opie Yutts]

GET IN MY BOWL.

[MVP]

Opie, I hope you live close cuz that shit needs to be in my bowl... damn looks nice! I'll take white sugar 'sted of brown sugar..... in this case.

[palerider7777]

i see nothin wrong with it better kepp an eye on the trichs as it looks very close if not ready.and tips burnt is no prob and the leafs will start to turn brown as it will start using up the nitrogen in the leafs are u flushing them yet if not id say u should start soon looks great

[TMusic]

Its a hermie!!![attachment=o165530]

[TMusic]

I chopped this bud last night.... uhhh... 36 hours ago (I work graveyard) and its been hanging, hence the leaf curl up...it was the most distal bud on one of the inside branches. The main top bud has one in the middle too.

I'm heartbroken...

[Opie Yutts]

Darn, I saw that spot and was going to say "hermie?" It just kind of looks like more pistils might be coming up there, so I didn't want to sound too stupid and didn't say it. Are you sure?

[TMusic]

fucking positive...

[Opie Yutts]

Crap, sorry for the disappointment.

[palerider7777]

no biggie it will be just fine i saw the same thing but i did'nt know if that was a seed or a bunched up leaf mine had about 10 seeds in the crop and it did'nt hurt anything but it did give me some more top seeds i did'nt have to buy theres no disappointment here i think it's a good thing and i doubt it's a full blown hermie it just got stressed alil some how and hermied alil no biggie maybe a lil light leak or something but anyways it's a good thing as u have sum more great seeds and it does'nt take away from the plant at all

[palerider7777]

oh and u might want to trim it up while it's still wet it's alot easier than cuttin on dried up leafs

[Opie Yutts]

I take the major stuff off as soon as they are cut down, but anything with trichomes stays on until dry. Usually any of those leaves are pretty small.

[TMusic]

Thanks guys.

[palerider7777]

I take the major stuff off as soon as they are cut down, but anything with trichomes stays on until dry. Usually any of those leaves are pretty small.

yea thats what i do it's quickier in the end and alot less hassle

[palerider7777]

yeild??????????????????????

[TMusic]

4oz...

Took a little time off after a quick and clean getaway from the apartment.

Smoked on it until February, so I'm back to paying for it.

Starting my next grow in November or December and building from scratch in new condo. In the garage this time. No fucking bathtubs or shower curtains to deal with. I'm going all out this time too. 2x 1K watt, CO2, veg and flower areas... CAN'T WAIT

The wife and I had our first baby this past Sunday, the 6th. He's better than I could have ever imagined.

I hope everyone is doing well.

Peace...

[Opie Yutts]

Congratulations on the baby, now get ready for a new way of living.

Looking forward to seeing your new grow setup.