The truth about Jesus

[ganjapharmersusa]

GO TO YOUTUBE.COM AND SEARCH THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS VIDEOS ARE A LITLE LONG BUT VERRY INTERESTING TAKE A MIN TO WACH ANDTHEN POST YOUR OPINIONS ON HERE IM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SOME OF YOU THINK .......PERSONALY THESE VIDEOS FIT WITH WHAT IVE ALWAYS BELIEVED
P.S I TRIED TO POST THE VIDEO LINK ON HERE BUT CANT FIGURE IT OUT

[jdmarcus59]

GO TO YOUTUBE.COM AND SEARCH THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS VIDEOS ARE A LITLE LONG BUT VERRY INTERESTING TAKE A MIN TO WACH ANDTHEN POST YOUR OPINIONS ON HERE IM CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT SOME OF YOU THINK .......PERSONALY THESE VIDEOS FIT WITH WHAT IVE ALWAYS BELIEVED
P.S I TRIED TO POST THE VIDEO LINK ON HERE BUT CANT FIGURE IT OUT

first of all Iam very sorry that you belive that. I can not write down every rebuttle that this man is saying, there is not the space
but let me first say that the bible has stood the test of time for
hundereds of years, people love to take a verse here and a verse
there and pull them out of context,and you simply cant do that.
every thing that man said was false or taken out of context and,or both. let me have YOU go to youtube and type in
RE: before jesus by ridiot; them listen to jeff mason.:)

[Hardcore Newbie]

jd, what exactly is the "test of time"?

[Unknownfigure]

jd, what exactly is the "test of time"?

The "Test of Time" is usually a "test" in which an object, person, or subject is discussed or critiqued over a long period of time, but many people still have faith in the object/person regardless. In this case, the Bible. It has gone through much controversy, but MANY people still hold to their faith, and it is still widely distributed, even after two thousand years.

[jdmarcus59]

jd, what exactly is the "test of time"?

the test of time means just that, The test of time. many men have tried to come up against and the have failed to put out its light. the bible stiil stands on a Rock that can not be moved.
jesus said that heaven and earth may pass away, but my Word
will not pass away. But God has given us free will, we can chose
not to belive if we want. many men chose to belive in there own
philosophy about life and that is there right, but what will it profit
a man to gain the whole world, but lose his own soul.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

many men have tried to come up against and the have failed to put out its light. the bible still stands on a Rock that can not be moved.
for a few million people to delude themselves for a few hundred years?

there are animistic traditions that predate christianity by thousands of years, by your reasoning these should be considered even more valid than the dogmas of monotheism. christianity is actually a relatively young religion and, as such, should probably be considered nothing more than an upstart not even worthy of consideration.

[jdmarcus59]

for a few million people to delude themselves for a few hundred years?

there are animistic traditions that predate christianity by thousands of years, by your reasoning these should be considered even more valid than the dogmas of monotheism. christianity is actually a relatively young religion and, as such, should probably be considered nothing more than an upstart not even worthy of consideration.

are you willing to risk your own soul, based on your
delusion of normality?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

are you willing to risk your own soul, based on your
delusion of normality?

unlike those who would follow in the footsteps of the dead, i am willing to take responsibility for my own actions. by your standards i may be risking my "immortal soul", but by mine i am merely living this life by my rules and beliefs. in death, as in life, i am willing to accept the consequences of my actions. luckily, death is its own consequence.

[Hardcore Newbie]

Atheism and Agnosticism are quite strong as well, there's over a billion of them in the world, just under islam and xianity. And quite a bit of the world had no choice to their religion, they were either converted or killed. I'm sure if atheists banded together to form a global network and eradicate all religion by force, they'd do a decent job as well.

[Iambreathingin]

Alot of people believe in God because they want to live forever, because they are scared of their souls being tortured for eternity. Having people follow beliefs out of fear or promise of reward is a huge problem I have with organised religion.

I don't disprove Jesus, mainly because I don't care wether he was real or not. What's important to taken from the bible is its main moral messages. A book that teaches via examples. To take it in a literal sense given the nature of translation would also seem to me abit wrong.

I have faith in myself, and the world around me. I maintain awareness with not goal or rules, except to carry the idea that I am a sponge, and while I don't know what will happen after I "die", I will do all I can to abosorb asmuch about the world as possible as it appears to me. To travel through life with goals. I don't think I need a book to teach me how to not increase suffering in the world.

Just.Be.Cool. Simple words that should be branded into the backs of criminals necks ;)

[LegalizeTheGreen]

Just my 3 cents, but perhaps if so many people still believe in the bible, there might be somthing to it? Im not saying its all 100% fact, but at the very least its a good book that preaches good morals (not the ones that people twist into political agendas) and decency towards our fellow man (im not saying all christians are decent, but at least the new testament preaches it)

As for atheism, it is pretty outnumbered as the VAST majority believe in some higher power, and if the atheists banded together, the christians, jews, muslims, buddhists, hindus, druids, and hippys that worship weed would band together and WTFPWN everyone. If religions fight so fiercly against each other, god help anyone that gets all religions against them ;)

It seems that for people that hate religion forced upon them, you guys are quick to do the same thing with atheism.

also, JDmarc, it isnt a good idea to try to back up your beliefs with scripture when arguing with atheists. Thats like the government using anti weed propaganda in an argument with anyone from this site, rofl.

oh well, peace ya'll!

[ganjapharmersusa]

yea about the test of time.....first of all the original text that the bible is TRANSLATED in could be interpereted in MANY ways...also think about language and how it evolves even over a 10 year period of time....now the bible has been rewriten-retranslated many many times by MAN and writen in their own interpitation ...no doubt they all have the same basic message and im not saying that that message is wrong but come on now all religion requires you to have faith im just saying i belive in science and fact and proof not childrens storys and furthermore orginized religion is responsible for more eveil and war in the world and history than its ever done good

just my 2 cents

[HighTillIDie]

the bible and everything that goes with it is the most manipulative, thing in this planet... period... it was VERY well crafted

[jdmarcus59]

the bible and everything that goes with it is the most manipulative, thing in this planet... period... it was VERY well crafted

you know its kinda hard to take in any thing you say, while out of the corner of my eye I see this babe getting shaged from behind lol:)

[Hardcore Newbie]

Just my 3 cents, but perhaps if so many people still believe in the bible, there might be somthing to it? Im not saying its all 100% fact, but at the very least its a good book that preaches good morals (not the ones that people twist into political agendas) and decency towards our fellow man (im not saying all christians are decent, but at least the new testament preaches it)
Britney Spears used to top the charts with her singles, but that hardly means that she's got any substance. Popularity is generally not an indicator of anything.



As for atheism, it is pretty outnumbered as the VAST majority believe in some higher power, and if the atheists banded together, the christians, jews, muslims, buddhists, hindus, druids, and hippys that worship weed would band together and WTFPWN everyone. If religions fight so fiercly against each other, god help anyone that gets all religions against them ;)
You think the religions would actually be able to band together? I'd doubt that one, especially if the atheists started in secret. It's not a vast outnumbering, 1 in 6 people are atheists. It's kinda funny to think of dumb scenarios tho hehe. I'm thinking of a handicapped tag team match in pro wrestling where the team of two is composed of rivals, and they end up kicking the crap out of each other instead of their supposed opponent :p (I used to be into wrestling haha)



It seems that for people that hate religion forced upon them, you guys are quick to do the same thing with atheism.
Religions really aren't forced on people in most parts of the world today, but back in medieval times and before, they had hella times taking over the world.

I was chilling with my dad last night and we watched something about the spanish inquisition, and DAYYYYUM that's some crazy stuff. Of course, I'm not suggesting all religious people would do something like that, but back in the day when the church hid the knowledge from the people, and provided them with misinformation, I'm just saying it'd be hard for anyone who disagreed with the powers that were.

[jdmarcus59]

unlike those who would follow in the footsteps of the dead, i am willing to take responsibility for my own actions. by your standards i may be risking my "immortal soul", but by mine i am merely living this life by my rules and beliefs. in death, as in life, i am willing to accept the consequences of my actions. luckily, death is its own consequence.

at least I know Iam delusional? is that the road you chose to go down? and what is your goal? to bring destruction to the american
way of life? you must ware cheap sun glasses:cool:

[LegalizeTheGreen]

newbie, brittney spears was popular for like 2 years, christianity has been around for 2 thousand, slight difference.

also, i was joking about religions banding together, its about as likely as atheists exterminating everyone (you guys better not! :mad: ). although I would say in terms of outnumbering people, 1 vs 6 isnt a fight I would personally wanna be involved in as the 1. 6 people can easily kick a single persons ass.

as for forcing religion, i wasn't saying actually forcing it on someone, i simply meant that for disliking preachy christians (i dont blame you, i don't like them either), many atheists are quite preachy as well.

*JDmarcus, It is my belief that what is destroying the american way of life is the phoney christian we have in our nations highest office currently, and that one persons religious views should never be used to govern a nation with diverse religious views.

[slipknotpsycho]

newbie, brittney spears was popular for like 2 years, christianity has been around for 2 thousand, slight difference.

also, i was joking about religions banding together, its about as likely as atheists exterminating everyone (you guys better not! :mad: ). although I would say in terms of outnumbering people, 1 vs 6 isnt a fight I would personally wanna be involved in as the 1. 6 people can easily kick a single persons ass.

as for forcing religion, i wasn't saying actually forcing it on someone, i simply meant that for disliking preachy christians (i dont blame you, i don't like them either), many atheists are quite preachy as well.

*JDmarcus, It is my belief that what is destroying the american way of life is the phoney christian we have in our nations highest office currently, and that one persons religious views should never be used to govern a nation with diverse religious views.

um.. actually his point still stands.. time means nothing to his point. 2 weeks 2 years or 2,000 years (although it's been around much longer then that)

[LegalizeTheGreen]

I dont see how you can say time doesn't matter, it only took us 2 years to realize Spears is retarded, about 6 years to realize Bush is retarded (some like myself hated him from the start, but as country its been like 5-6), but in the 2k years or so christianity has been around it has never been "debunked". sure, some sections are sketchy, but as a whole, it seems to be thriving now more then ever.

Besides, if it was such a popularity contest (like brittney), why did it even survive back in the day when christians were tortured for their beliefs and such? I'm the first to admit there are alot of holes in the bible, but just because a blanket has holes doesn't mean it won't keep you warm (sorry for the touchy feely analogy).

[anangrymailman]

I'm the first to admit there are alot of holes in the bible, but just because a blanket has holes doesn't mean it won't keep you warm (sorry for the touchy feely analogy).

I don't know about anybody else, but I don't need Christianity to "keep me warm." It may be comforting to some, but I think its brainwashing.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

I'm sure if atheists banded together to form a global network and eradicate all religion by force, they'd do a decent job as well.
though i'd love to see the blight of religious indoctrination wiped from the face of the earth, it would be a fools errand to even try. even the soviet union, with the full might of the state behind its efforts, couldn't rid itself of such ignorance and superstition. as long as there are lost souls looking for easy answers, religion will exist.

[delusionsofNORMALity]

at least I know I am delusional? is that the road you chose to go down?
we all have our delusions. mine are that i am not a lunatic freak, that normality is relative and that life is art. most others seem to choose that road too often traveled, following in the footsteps of the dead and bowing to tired tradition.

and what is your goal?
the destruction of the ignorance and bigotry inherent to the american way of life seems to me to be a worthy aim. though all most of us can do is lead by example, it might be enough. my true goal is to live until i die, i need nothing after that.

[couch-potato]

Christianity is nothing more than ancient paganism rolled up into a snowball. The supposed resurrection, holy trinity, and judgment all share their roots in various "primitive" religions. It is astonishing how often people winnow out what they like about the bible and completely ignore all the evil shit that is written as well. People obey the ten commandments written in Exodus 20, but rarely do you hear people preach about '"proper" slavery ethics, selling daughters into prostitution, and killing disobedient children as written in Exodus 21.

[LegalizeTheGreen]

exodus is old testament, the christian book is the new testament. that is what makes christianity special, and different then judiasm.

[horror business]

I thought the Romans invented Christianity to oppress people and kill those who did not go along?

[Hardcore Newbie]

newbie, brittney spears was popular for like 2 years, christianity has been around for 2 thousand, slight difference.
If time is the determining factor, then Xianity can't be true, other religions have survived longer than Xianity. I doubt someone of faith would call another religion "retarded" but obviously they can't be right in someone's mind if they belong to a different faith. The longest lasting faith of today must be the correct religion, as it's stood the test of time the longest.



also, i was joking about religions banding together, its about as likely as atheists exterminating everyone (you guys better not! ). although I would say in terms of outnumbering people, 1 vs 6 isnt a fight I would personally wanna be involved in as the 1. 6 people can easily kick a single persons ass.
I know you're joking, I assumed you knew that I was as well. But, it'd be 1 vs 5, not a vs 6. Ratios aren't fractions :p

But I'm saying the atheists could do it in secret, the religious people would never suspect the atheists. Get it down to 4:1 or 3:1 and then hope the crowd can't coexist, like a bad tag team in wrestling :p



as for forcing religion, i wasn't saying actually forcing it on someone, i simply meant that for disliking preachy christians (i dont blame you, i don't like them either), many atheists are quite preachy as well.
The atheists, I do find, tend to be intellectually snobby toward the religious, but the religious are also religiously or spiritually snobby toward the atheists.

And your holey blanket story is *really* about a holy blanket :p



*JDmarcus, It is my belief that what is destroying the american way of life is the phoney christian we have in our nations highest office currently, and that one persons religious views should never be used to govern a nation with diverse religious views.
It's kind of difficult, actually. Imagine being in a position of power, and trying to set the morals and laws for it. You'd probably be tempted to make them as close to yours as possible, since you have a unique view on the way the world works. Not that I'm defending him, I just understand that his intentions (in certain regards) are probably good. not the ones to do about money, obviously, but anything else I would think heès trying to be somewhat decent


delusions, you really need to watch your mouth. I think the main thing for all of us is to respect each other, and well, you sound like an intolerant bitch, for lack of a better phrase. It doesn't matter how stupid you believe religion is, that is no reason to brand all the people that believe in a high power "lunatic freaks". I would like to know how you can consider believers of religion closeminded when you cant even keep a conversation civil. next time you feel like sharing your views of religion, just ask yourself... wait for it... "What would Jesus Do".Reread what Delusions said. He just said that he is not a lunatic freak, he never mentioned anyone else being one. And he also said that its a delusional thought, so in essence he's calling himself a lunatic freak.

[Iambreathingin]

In reality wether people want to be religious or not is hardly important. We can safely say from a non bias position that religion is responsible for as many bad things as good things, but this is the nature of man.

The bible is just the bible. Somone reads it for the first time eveyday, but man existed a long time without it to, so I don't think it's essential in any sense of the word. Even monkies can exhibit signs of morality, comforting distressed members of their monkey gang. There was one such case where a small orphan of a monkey gang was playfighting with the son of a high ranking female. the fight ot rough and the female attacked the infant in protection of her own child. The females son, who had been "Protected" then sat with his wounded friend and put his arms around him, cleaning his wound carefully. Other members of the group then proceeded to to the same, giving him affectionate pats and hugs, before he picked himself up, nursing his wounds and appeard to be maknig peace with the female, who then also hugged him.

Please not that at no time did these animals begin to kill eachother because they believed in differnt things.

[devilvenom]

i heard once that religion has killed more people then all the wars combined

[Iambreathingin]

But war happens because of relgion (not always but often) so how do you attribute certain deaths to religion and certain to war?

[delusionsofNORMALity]

The atheists, I do find, tend to be intellectually snobby toward the religious....

if you step far enough away from all the religious claptrap, you tend to see it all as rather childish (sort of like believing in santa claus or the tooth fairy). even though no offense is meant, you can't help but see the believers of such superstitions as childish too. when dealing with fervent believers, even ones you know and respect, it can be difficult to remember that they are still rational people. well, some of them are.

[jdmarcus59]

though i'd love to see the blight of religious indoctrination wiped from the face of the earth, it would be a fools errand to even try. even the soviet union, with the full might of the state behind its efforts, couldn't rid itself of such ignorance and superstition. as long as there are lost souls looking for easy answers, religion will exist.

LOST SOULS? my soul is not lost, I think you should only speak
for your self. my soul stands on a Rock that can not be shaken.
I do not have delusions of normality, you have no real answers
all you have is your own philosophy that holds no water. and if you
do not belive in God then there is no right are wrong therefore there is no lost souls. your statement was self defeating.

[GraziLovesMary]

ahhh and yet another thread full of religious debate! Yay! Allow me to throw my two cents in real quick...

wait for it...














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:twocents: there... peace out.

[Iambreathingin]

LOST SOULS? my soul is not lost, I think you should only speak
for your self. my soul stands on a Rock that can not be shaken.
I do not have delusions of normality, you have no real answers
all you have is your own philosophy that holds no water. and if you
do not belive in God then there is no right are wrong therefore there is no lost souls. your statement was self defeating.

You win the prize.

[Ganja Dude]

It's really annoying when people just post links to Zeitgeist or something. If you're going to make an arguement here don't point to someone else's video.

[jaGerbom]

I myself do not believe in the bible. I also think that if you do believe it, you are a very ignorant person. Theres so much information out there proving the bible wrong, and proving its just a plaguerism of other religions based on astrology. When you know about this info and still believe the bullshit. IIIgnorant.

I do think that the bible has a lot of good messages in it though, and i wish it was true. The world might be a better place if it was.

[Pass That Shit]

I myself do not believe in the bible. I also think that if you do believe it, you are a very ignorant person. Theres so much information out there proving the bible wrong, and proving its just a plaguerism of other religions based on astrology. When you know about this info and still believe the bullshit. IIIgnorant.

I do think that the bible has a lot of good messages in it though, and i wish it was true. The world might be a better place if it was.

Hi, I'm one of the ignorant ones. :jointsmile:

Everyone jumps in here with all kinds of proof against God. What facts do you have against him?

[jaGerbom]

i didnt say anything about god. i believe theres a god. i just dont believe in christianity and the bible.

EDIT: oh and ill be one of the annoying ones and just say go watch zeitgeist.

[Ganja Dude]

i didnt say anything about god. i believe theres a god. i just dont believe in christianity and the bible.

EDIT: oh and ill be one of the annoying ones and just say go watch zeitgeist.

Hahaha. Well, as long as you don't a thread in caps saying something like "THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS" then it's ok. I myself am an athiest. I've watched zeitgeist a few times (all 3 parts, although the 2nd part was interesting I still don't believe 9/11 was planned by our government), it is pretty nicely put together. A lot of things in the video are incorrect.

[jaGerbom]

Hahaha. Well, as long as you don't a thread in caps saying something like "THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS" then it's ok. I myself am an athiest. I've watched zeitgeist a few times (all 3 parts, although the 2nd part was interesting I still don't believe 9/11 was planned by our government), it is pretty nicely put together. A lot of things in the video are incorrect.

Do you know which things are incorrect? Im not trying to question your intelligence or anything i would just like to know because i personally think they made a great movie and it all seems very believable. I'd really like to know which things in it are false though so i dont go around telling other people shit that isnt true.

[jakez]

I don't understand the reason to have all these churches and faith in the bible, when our existence has long been proved scientifically through astrology (Yes, "aliens (other life out there)" are real).

The large majority of the public has been so limited on knowledge, because of ignoring or fearing the truth, no one ever questions anything, they just follow suit. People don't even realize how much shit (including living things flying shit) is in the immediate space up there, they have only seen the photoshopped images or videos from the popular media and history books with pictures that are all taken and first handled by the government of course (NASA, etc).

People will eventually learn to take a few hours out to use this great resource called the internet to find the real truth about everything (existence, government, religion, other life in space).
I mean if you aren't the typical brainwashed person and you take a look at society it's so sad it's almost as if they shouldn't matter at all and it's all just a hault of moving forward in development of our planet. The public doesn't realize we could currently cover 0.01% of the land on Earth with new solar panel technology (that is still improving) and power the entire planet on that alone, THE ENTIRE PLANET, let alone just ourselves. It will even generate power under clouds because we can now collect energy from the sun rays themselves no matter if clouds are out or not. We could end all of the environment pollution now and "global warming" simply by legalizing hemp. Take this quote from Jack Herer for example that he backs by $100,000 to anyone proving him wrong:

"If all fossil fuels and their derivatives, as well as trees for paper and construction were banned in order to save the planet, reverse the Greenhouse Effect and stop deforestation; Then there is only one known annually renewable natural resource that is capable of providing the overall majority of the world's paper and textiles; meet all of the world's transportation, industrial and home energy needs, while simultaneously reducing pollution, rebuilding the soil, and cleaning the atmosphere all at the same time...And that substance is - the same one that did it all before - Cannabis Hemp...Marijuana!!"

Everything is so predictable and yes history does repeat itself as long as people let it. Anyone who does not follow the popular belief is thought to be a nutcase, and the people just continue on with their extremely biased beliefs. If you don't believe me watch we are about to create a problem with Venezuela so we can invade them also. Time will prove me correct. Before you challenge my thinking why don't you challenge your own and ask yourself where your own thoughts come from.

[killerweed420]

Christ died 2000 years ago and thank god he ain't coming back.He was a pain in the ass then and he would be a bigger pain in the ass now.:beatdeadhorse:

[THClord]

watch the first 20 min of Zeitgeist if you want to know where Jesus and christianity etc. came from.
Just google video "Zeitgeist", you'll find it.

[palerider7777]

[quote=GraziLovesMary]ahhh and yet another thread full of religious debate! Yay! Allow me to throw my two cents in real quick...

wait for it...


it seem u have a problem with people that have other views than u or else u would'nt feel the need to reply???

[rebgirl420]

This is craziness! Just reading all of these spirituality posts. Its like a huge virtual tug-o-war.

I say, as an atheist and someone whos kinda a third party in this thread, that theres no need for low blows and all this holier than thou crap. If you believe in god, then great. But keep that shit to yourselves and vice versa to any other religious stuff out there. Especially in the real world.

And this thread was doomed from the start btw with the crazy CAPS IN EVERYTHING THAT WAS TYPED. It doesnt make you look any more credible.

Why argue? Its not like someones going to "converted" on a freaking pot board room. hey, if you think that so and so is going to hell then let them go. And if you think their misguided nut jobs then think that too but let the other person get whats comming to them.

Atheist and your:
Wrong-You burn in hell
Right-You had a very kick ass life not worrying about some magical man in the sky. You enjoyed all of lifes pleasures without fear and persecution.

Religious and your:
Right-You get eternal bliss for however long and then well, their not quite sure the bible says 1,000 years of peace and then no one knows. But hell, im sure its grand.
Wrong- You wasted your whole life. Your ONLY life on this little green and blue planet. And you spent the whole thing in a underlying fear of hell. You fell for the oldest trick in the book and MAYBE, just MAYBE you helped kill other cultures and people who didnt agree

[jdmarcus59]

This is craziness! Just reading all of these spirituality posts. Its like a huge virtual tug-o-war.

I say, as an atheist and someone whos kinda a third party in this thread, that theres no need for low blows and all this holier than thou crap. If you believe in god, then great. But keep that shit to yourselves and vice versa to any other religious stuff out there. Especially in the real world.

And this thread was doomed from the start btw with the crazy CAPS IN EVERYTHING THAT WAS TYPED. It doesnt make you look any more credible.

Why argue? Its not like someones going to "converted" on a freaking pot board room. hey, if you think that so and so is going to hell then let them go. And if you think their misguided nut jobs then think that too but let the other person get whats comming to them.

Atheist and your:
Wrong-You burn in hell
Right-You had a very kick ass life not worrying about some magical man in the sky. You enjoyed all of lifes pleasures without fear and persecution.

Religious and your:
Right-You get eternal bliss for however long and then well, their not quite sure the bible says 1,000 years of peace and then no one knows. But hell, im sure its grand.
Wrong- You wasted your whole life. Your ONLY life on this little green and blue planet. And you spent the whole thing in a underlying fear of hell. You fell for the oldest trick in the book and MAYBE, just MAYBE you helped kill other cultures and people who didnt agree
a wasted life? yes I lived a wasted life, I lived a wasted life by living my life by my own rules, by the way I saw fit, it was a wasted life filled with divorce where people were hurt, caues I

lived by what I belived to be right, it was a wasted life cause i was a drug addict,where a lot of people got hurt, but I did not care, all I cared about was my next fix, and yes it was a wasted
life cause i faught the law and the law one, so I spent years wasting my life in prison. I could go on and on but I wont.

but then I had a change of heart, I met the Lord, but He did not burded me with a bunch of dos and donts, he only told me to love my neighbor as my self, was not always easy, but He gave me the love to do it with......A wasted life? thank God that he has set me free from a wasted life.:)

[rebgirl420]

Well im a pretty firm believer that this is the only life you get and you should live it to the fullest. Regardless if your religious or not. I just find that as an Atheist I feel an extra need to really do it all b/c shit, this is my one and ONLY shot. Theres nothing after I die. So do it ALL. Of course that doesnt mean becoming some nutjub on hard drugs and shit. B/c I feel that wouldnt help but indeed hinder that one life I have to live.

But heres my question, if gods waiting to open you into the pearly gates with open arms how come your not running twords him?

[Hardcore Newbie]

Atheist and your:
Wrong-You burn in hell
This is of course assuming that Xianity or something similar is correct. It's entirely possible that you can be an atheist and reap the benefits of an eternal happiness of sorts, as long as Xianity isn't true.

[rebgirl420]

Well I was assuming we were talking about christianity and those affiliated. But yeah, I suppose you could be atheist or agnostic or whatever and if there is another religion out there that is supreme (wiccanism or budhism maybe) then I guess the atheists would fall into those categories.

[couch-potato]

No matter what your sins are, Apollo will always love you.

[jdmarcus59]

Well im a pretty firm believer that this is the only life you get and you should live it to the fullest. Regardless if your religious or not. I just find that as an Atheist I feel an extra need to really do it all b/c shit, this is my one and ONLY shot. Theres nothing after I die. So do it ALL. Of course that doesnt mean becoming some nutjub on hard drugs and shit. B/c I feel that wouldnt help but indeed hinder that one life I have to live.

But heres my question, if gods waiting to open you into the pearly gates with open arms how come your not running twords him?

I am running towards Him, and I await with joy for his return.:thumbsup:

[jamstigator]

I'd say I hope that logic and reason will prevail at some point, but the fact is, the religiousy people breed a lot faster than the others so if logic and reason ever do prevail, it's unlikely to be in my lifetime.

I'm still curious if that tomb they found does in fact contain the remains of Jesus and his wife and family. It'll be interesting if DNA and other scientific evidence proves that, as that will essentially collapse the entire Christian belief system. (e.g., Jesus didn't ascend to heaven, cuz here's his corpse, and he married and had kids cuz here they are, and God wasn't his father cuz we traced his father to this other guy via DNA, and so on.)

I wonder if that would create a mass exodus from Christianity to another religion. Religion is a crutch, and people get addicted to their crutches. If this one doesn't work, get another. It'd be rather ironic if the religion they flocked to ended up being Islam.

[jdmarcus59]

I'd say I hope that logic and reason will prevail at some point, but the fact is, the religiousy people breed a lot faster than the others so if logic and reason ever do prevail, it's unlikely to be in my lifetime.

I'm still curious if that tomb they found does in fact contain the remains of Jesus and his wife and family. It'll be interesting if DNA and other scientific evidence proves that, as that will essentially collapse the entire Christian belief system. (e.g., Jesus didn't ascend to heaven, cuz here's his corpse, and he married and had kids cuz here they are, and God wasn't his father cuz we traced his father to this other guy via DNA, and so on.)

I wonder if that would create a mass exodus from Christianity to another religion. Religion is a crutch, and people get addicted to their crutches. If this one doesn't work, get another. It'd be rather ironic if the religion they flocked to ended up being Islam.

WOW I wonder why the jews and the romans were not as smart
as you! and just drag the body of Jesus out of the tomb, and
say here it is you liars!:cool:

[jamstigator]

Has nothing to do with me. I didn't hide the tomb two thousand years ago. (But whoever did hide it, they did a pretty good job - it stayed hidden a very long time.) I didn't find the tomb either, and I won't be analyzing it. I've never even been to Israel. It's just an interesting footnote to history to me, however it turns out.

I wonder, if that is Jesus that they found, if it will be possible to extract DNA from a corpse that old. Now *that* would be cool. I mean, that really *would* be a second coming, of a sort, if they cloned him and created a new Baby Jesus. Could even sell Jesus DNA on ebay, let every Christian buy one! I hear Jesus clones do good carpentry work. Heh.

[jdmarcus59]

Just my 3 cents, but perhaps if so many people still believe in the bible, there might be somthing to it? Im not saying its all 100% fact, but at the very least its a good book that preaches good morals (not the ones that people twist into political agendas) and decency towards our fellow man (im not saying all christians are decent, but at least the new testament preaches it)

As for atheism, it is pretty outnumbered as the VAST majority believe in some higher power, and if the atheists banded together, the christians, jews, muslims, buddhists, hindus, druids, and hippys that worship weed would band together and WTFPWN everyone. If religions fight so fiercly against each other, god help anyone that gets all religions against them ;)

It seems that for people that hate religion forced upon them, you guys are quick to do the same thing with atheism.

also, JDmarc, it isnt a good idea to try to back up your beliefs with scripture when arguing with atheists. Thats like the government using anti weed propaganda in an argument with anyone from this site, rofl.

oh well, peace ya'll!
you make a good point by using scripure to prove a point in a discusion aganst a atheist, but we belive that the word is living
and that it wont come back void, its a seed that is planted, and mabey some day some one will come buy and water it.peace:thumbsup: