whats the deal with compact fluorecents?

[altwnyguy73]

:confused: compact fluorecents- how many of these to use...in say a 20"x48" space in a flowering chamber say... 52 inches in height...thoughts please...

anyone ever use these to flower??? anyone ever use reptile basking lights? thoughts and opinions please... peace-420-I'm out! :)

[altwnyguy73]

Recently saw monster 34w compact fluorecents....thiking of using in veg....anyone have any expeience using these types of light? common...someone uses them...lol

[altwnyguy73]

anyone know if these come in a red spec, or just coolwhite....

[redeyed]

I have heard bad things about them. But of course being the asshole I am I tried them. I'll be real with you. If you got some hps you are better off. I found through experiment that the compacts work quite well if you insist on useing flouro's. You need to use more of them then regular strip lights but they create just a little more heat with out burning the plant, in my situation that was perfect. I have a couple different setups just for bullshits sake and I am far from a commercial grower but I have learned to experiment and that marijuana will bounce back from almost anythig you can throw at it. As far as the different colors and spectrums, I'm an electrician and as far as I know they only come in one color due mostly to the factthat most people use them to save money in their regular home fixtures. Hope that might help. PEACE

[altwnyguy73]

no hps here...yet.
Money and heat/ventilation(wanna start cabinet grow in 4x2x5 foot space) have me exploring alternate light sources- I have looked at
.......red spec & coolwhite fluorescents in rotation, reptile UV lights, envirolites(not available in my area), and outdoor security light conversion(mercury vapor & HPS each good sources of UV), these lights go 75-150 watts or so...
If anyones got more Ideas...Im a listenin....lol.......anywaypeace-420-I'm out!

[BobBong]

Sorry for the slow load of the pics!

I've been following this thread for a day or two (since i couldn't post)

I've setup my grow box with 3 compact flouro's. so a total of 450w in compact flouro's, and i just threw a cool white 150w bulb in there. So i'm a good solid 600w now, 9000lummes+.

as you can see from my pics, i'm doing quite well for a first grow, the oldest one is going on 5 weeks (she's the one in the makeshift beer box) the others are a week and 2 weeks behind.

I'm going to put them into 12/12 probably on monday, i'm at 18/6 now.

P.S. No Word of a Lie, that 4th 150w bulb i had in there just blew as i was typing this post.. weird...

Enjoy the pics. Give me feedback

[Sensi Super Skunk]

Nice grow setup man.

[BobBong]

Thanks Sensi,

I'll be putting them all into flowering probably at the start of next week. So, i am currently looking for a red spec. light to get in there with my compact flouro's.

I'll be light shopping this weekend, so i'll let you know how my flowering flouro's go.

[dude0]

Hi, nice setup. :)
Any ideas where I can get those light bulbs mate?

[dude0]

Also I can find the bulbs, but whats the thing called it screws into?

[BobBong]

a... light.. fixture?

it's like a regular bulb, it'll screw into any fixture.

those fixtures i bought were lik 5$ each

[altwnyguy73]

Thanks Sensi,

I'll be putting them all into flowering probably at the start of next week. So, i am currently looking for a red spec. light to get in there with my compact flouro's.

I'll be light shopping this weekend, so i'll let you know how my flowering flouro's go.

I have gotten similar veg results using CF lighting....I also included a 100W reptile basking light & fixture. The rep. light hangs between 2 plants with a CF on each side 3 inches above each plant...I am now in the beginning of my 5th week of flowering...heavy crystals...small fluffy buds...check out grow set up board 4 light ideas...cab setup...makin ur own...peace

[BobBong]

Just LST'd the hell outta the big one.. flowering starts in a few days.

as you can see there's some nice bud spots i see... at least 6 on that one side

[olsmoky]

how do you post pictures?

[olsmoky]

very effective!!

[altwnyguy73]

hps very effective...but moneys tight here right now...experimenting with other light sources...
cant touch hps here for less than $70.00(secutity light conversion) parts for conversion not included(rewiring needed) ... for $40.00 I can get 2 red spec & 2 cool white tube fluorescents plus the fixtures..with cash left to buy a pack of papers...lol.
I will also mention I am aiming to grow in a cabinet system....400hps is about the max I could use without roasting my plants... gotta watch hps in small spaces....anyway...peace

[BobBong]

So i've implicated more light bringing it to a full 595w of both the blue and red spec. 450w flouro and 145w of incandescent (as much as i can afford)

i'm putting em into flowering on monday!

as you can see there's a nice pic of my setup, there's two more sprouts on the top under a dual flouro.. they're THRIVING!

By the way, the strain is Black Jack (Black Domina & Jack Herrer)...if you were wonderin :D

enjoy.

[altwnyguy73]

So i've implicated more light bringing it to a full 595w of both the blue and red spec. 450w flouro and 145w of incandescent (as much as i can afford)

i'm putting em into flowering on monday!

as you can see there's a nice pic of my setup, there's two more sprouts on the top under a dual flouro.. they're THRIVING!

By the way, the strain is Black Jack (Black Domina & Jack Herrer)...if you were wonderin :D

enjoy.

actually I am about to begin using black domina as mother plants 4 clones... got a domina-shishka cross now...nice plants..peace

[desk]

hey bob bong what is the kelvin degrees of this bulbs? more than 5600?

[desk]

because i have 12 bulbs of 6200ºk for gorowing and 12 of 2700ºk for flowering but can i see your room with 4 bulbs and work so good u can tell me more about your bulbs!!

[BobBong]

kelvin degree! i'm not sure about the kelvin... all i can really tell you is the bulb is a 45w pull 150w output, compact flourescent. each bulb is 2900lummes.

450w
8700lummes
145w incandescent

[desk]

u can see that info in the bulb but well if u don`t know about it with more kelvin degrees the spectrum is more white (daylight) and if u rest k degress the spectrum turn to red ( for flowering ) 3200ºk for down

but your bulbs are 4 save energy?

because my indoor work with save energy bulbs 6200ºk 45 watts for growiing and 2700ºk 45 watts for flowering

[BobBong]

So i did some LST on the big girl (it's confirmed) as you can see from the preflower pic. the tiedown has opened the back 4 branches, so they should all grow as if they were tops.... my god this is gonna be beautiful.


Enjoy.

The other plant is #3. still to early to tell sex and i'm also trying a different form of LST... i've tied the branches together to form a nice green canopy, eventually i'll trim the lower sections and possibley clone if it's a female.. it'll be another big win for my first grow attempt!

[BobBong]

u can see that info in the bulb but well if u don`t know about it with more kelvin degrees the spectrum is more white (daylight) and if u rest k degress the spectrum turn to red ( for flowering ) 3200ºk for down

but your bulbs are 4 save energy?

because my indoor work with save energy bulbs 6200ºk 45 watts for growiing and 2700ºk 45 watts for flowering

The bulbs are a cool white, which from my understanding are in the blue spec. for flowering i've brought in 145w of incandescent, which should give it a full spectrum, it's more than 20% of the wattage of the cool white flouro's.

and yes they save money, they only pull 45w

[altwnyguy73]

bob where you diggin up red spec lights in that shape...only see tube lighting in NY...USA

[Sensi Super Skunk]

Kelvin degrees are only shown on lights specifically made for growing plants.

[BobBong]

The compact flouro's are the curley shaped bulbs (3 main)

the other incandescent bulbs are just various bulbs and fixtures i have. A lamp hooked to the wall, a snake lamp in the corner, a converted lava lamp fixture and a small lamp (silver stand)

i don't have much money right now and no 100w bulbs around, so i've just combined as much red spec. light as i could with the already existing CF's

[desk]

kelvin is a kind of degree it indicates the spectrum of the light (color temperature)for growing is 5200 to 6200 (so close to the white a kind a daylight but more up more better) and for flowering 3200 , 2400 k (betwen red and yellow).

and not is only shown on lights specifically made for growing plants all the kind of lights had a kelvin degrees even a candle

[BobBong]

Do you see the # of kelvin written on the side of a candle?

You'd need a Kelvin Thermometer wouldn't you?

[desk]

well here is image 4 kelvin table and the right name is kelvinometer but really is a shitt because exist this kind of table's!!

and how supossed insert a pic here?

[Sensi Super Skunk]

kelvin is a kind of degree it indicates the spectrum of the light (color temperature)for growing is 5200 to 6200 (so close to the white a kind a daylight but more up more better) and for flowering 3200 , 2400 k (betwen red and yellow).

and not is only shown on lights specifically made for growing plants all the kind of lights had a kelvin degrees even a candle
Yes, you seem to understand the kelvin. But what I am saying is that only grow lights, specifically made for growing are labeled with a kelvin color temperature rating. Yes, I too know that all light sources have a kelvin color temperature reading of some sort. You see, different types of grow lights heat up to different color temperatures.

[desk]

here is kelvin table

[Sensi Super Skunk]

From The Cannabis Bible by Greg Green:

CTT in Kelvin (K)/ Light Color/ Effect/

5000 to 8000/ Deep blue/ Encourages excellent leaf
and stem growth.

4000 to 5000 / Light blue/ Encourages good leaf and
stem growth.

4000/ Neutral white/ Promotes normal growth.


3700 to 4000/ Warm neutral/ Promtes rapid growth.

3000 to 37000/ Warmer yellow neutral/ Highly active
photosynthesis for all
stages of growth.

1500 to 3000/ Hot orange or red/ Promotes flowering.

[BobBong]

Thanks sensi and desk, you've given me stuff to think about when i go off to find some flowering light.

keep ya posted!

Bob.

[Sensi Super Skunk]

No prob.

[HughESan]

good day,

The only grow lights ive been using are fluros, dont sweat buying HPS unless you have the money, but the daylight compact fluros are working killer for me...

[altwnyguy73]

good day,

The only grow lights ive been using are fluros, dont sweat buying HPS unless you have the money, but the daylight compact fluros are working killer for me...

if moneys tight....fluros work....more the better...add UV to your spectrum during flowering to induce more crystals( a plants natural defense from uv...) and attain better results...

....BUT... it is hard fact that if you experiment with multiple light sources indoors...
-quantity and quality can only be gained by using metal halide, high powered sodium(HPS), and mercury vapor (very high UV, sold commonly as security lights) indepedently or in some combination...
MH veg , HPS flower
HPS bolth cycles
CFL or fluors veg , HPS flower
HPS and MV lighting in combination during flowering can be VERY effective in combination producing large dense heavily crystalized budds...................

Ok thats my 2 cents on that...peace

[BobBong]

Well, after cutting down 2 males and a hermie... i'm down to one big female.

here's some updated photo's, she's almost 2 weeks into flowering.. she should be exploding soon.

enjoy!

[Totalpain]

Quite nice picks BobBong. I was wondering what kind of power CFL'S would u need for a few plants? like how much wattage? i've finnaly understood the kelvin lighting on the bulbs, so ill need something beetween 5k-8k kelvin for growth, starting flowering 1.5k-3k right? how much did all that lighting cost you bob? ( The incandescents, the spek lights, and the cfls i mean) cheers, thx

[phishcj]

bob, do you have a fan in your cab ( i didn't notice in the pics)? what are the dimensions? Nice little setup and good looking plants!
How's it lookin now?

[BobBong]

your understanding of kelvin degrees is right Totalpain. on one of these pages i've put the specs of the bulbs i use..

and ya, phish there is a fan in there.. before i had it just slightly behind it, but now i've actually got it on a timer inside the grow box.. it shuts off for an hour every 2-3 hours.

[BobBong]

dimensions.

4 ft. tall
1 ft. deep ( which is why i have it pulled away from the wall)
and 27" wide...

for more than one plant it get's crowded.. but it's doable.. for one plant.. i can let her grow big :D

[phishcj]

i have those same bulbs starting some off .... any heat issues for you? i've got mine set up in a cab that's 2-1/2 ft tall, 1-1/2 wide and 1-3/4 deep. they're set in a reflector instead of hangin out, but the edges of my leaves started turning yellow/brown (thinking maybe too close to the light(s)?) what's the closest yours get....

[phishcj]

if anyone wants any info on Kelvins go to this place.....
very interesting.

www.cannibisprofessionals.com/lighting

[cmorbud]

i also have had excelent results for veg and cloning.i use 20wt for cloning.

[Totalpain]

hah i finnaly have an idea what the hell to put in my cabinet for the lightning. read the overgrow site that some of you suggested to me, pretty much explained everything...
But i'm still not sure how many lights to get, if im going to make 2 plants, ill need a Cool blue 6000k++ light to make them grow good right? then i've read on overgrow that if you add more of the 1500k+ red spek lights(i assume double lights for each plant, to make it work), it will make the buds more and more potent at the flowering stage... The bulbs that i'm most likely getting are probably 27watters' with all the growing speks, do they sell those in normal hardware stores or in like wal-mart, reno depot, home depot, any such hardware stores? or should i just ask a guy who works there" you got 27 CFL lights for growth with 6000+kelvin on em?" cheers

Total

[Totalpain]

Oh and another thing, if i buy those kinds of small fluros, how much would approx. 1 bulb cost? and how much are bulb sockets? my mom is bitching that all together a socket and a bulb are 40$, i dont believe that ( im in canada)

[BobBong]

14-16$ per bulb
4-6 $ persocket

canadian tire

[BobBong]

Mmmm flowers...


i've got two more plants into 12/12 now, should see signs of sexing in a few weeks..

[phishcj]

bob - i have those same bulbs starting some off .... any heat issues for you? i've got mine set up in a cab that's 2-1/2 ft tall, 1-1/2 wide and 1-3/4 deep. they're set in a reflector instead of hangin out... the edges of my leaves started curling under and turning yellow/brown (thinking maybe too close to the lights?) what's the closest yours get....

[BobBong]

nope! no heat issues at all, with fluorescent lights the plants can be basically within inches of the bulbs.. as long as they're not touching.

i've actually been running a mini radiator behind my unit also just to keep the temp regular.

[Totalpain]

But HPS is a lot better in terms of getting light/ growing the plant then fluorescents right? can i grow a seed to a fully flowered plant with buds coming out of it with no problem? ( i heard yes you can, and that it seriously advantages the harvest, but i want to be sure) I got a growing countdown... 12 days until i start growing :)

[BobBong]

i'm almost 3 weeks into flowering.. i need to start thinking about the smell factor (considering i'm in a 1 bedroom apt.)

as for fluorescents from seed to harvest...that's what i plan to do, i've got an assortment of lighting in there which gives it just about a full spectrum (3 CF's, 1 Incandescent and 1 grow pot light)

she's doing juuust fine... i actually sinned and took the top of one of the colas (i've dubbed it the test branch) at 5 weeks premature.. i still get stoned off it, it wasn't cured or anything... just.. snip, dry (hardly dried it) and smoke... i should've waited.. but i just couldn't :(

here's some pics!
enjoy,
Bob.

[phishcj]

Thanks bob... Again, nice setup
I've got to work on air circulation in my small setup. I'm thinking a small fan inside and some in/out exhausts should get me rollin'

[Sensi Super Skunk]

But HPS is a lot better in terms of getting light/ growing the plant then fluorescents right? can i grow a seed to a fully flowered plant with buds coming out of it with no problem? ( i heard yes you can, and that it seriously advantages the harvest, but i want to be sure) I got a growing countdown... 12 days until i start growing :)
Yes, it would be alot better to use an hps from start to finish than fluorescents. Even though the fluorescents contain a better kelvin color temperature, than a hps, the hps will produce more useable light than a fluorescent. The only way this rule could be broken is if you buy a many fluorescent lamps to match the hps, which will result in a higher electrical bill. Plus, the hps is better because it helps the plant to better produce the all important THC, the main purpose of growing cannabis.

[milinithree]

where can i get CFL lights that screw into normal sockets?

the most watts i can find is 45 watts. where can i get more watts?!!! thanks

[BobBong]

well the ones i have only pull 45W also, but they have a 150w equivalent..

[phishcj]

Same here..... the ones i got from "Wally-World" use 45W but are a 150W equivalent.

I've seen them at Home Depot, Lowe's and Ace hardware too. But Wal-mart is always cheap

[Sensi Super Skunk]

Even though the fluorescents contain a better kelvin color temperature, than a hps, the hps will produce more useable light than a fluorescent.
Substitute the above sentence with the following: Even though the fluorescents ("daylight or "cool white") contain a better kelvin color temperature for the vegetative stage of growth than an hps, the hps will provide more overall useable light than a fluorescent for the various stages of growth.

[trichrome]

well,being that nobody else has recent comments,i thought i'd add one.i am using phillips 27w cf.the package says 6500k so that should be great and i noticed the warm white again in the phillips 27w is rated at 2700k.so this is good for flowering.i have used various lights and these for power consumption,cost and heat,can't be beat.no stretch at all short and bushy.
it will likely be male from my guess,but we'll see.

[theweedman14141414]

trichrome its all good bra....got an old 5 drawer dresser converted to grow box 2x2x4.....using same setup in lights but higer watts...23=100 watts...gota total of 8 (daylight) 6500k and 4 (warm) white 2700k runnin now in test run...but total power is 1200 watts of cfl lighting...just built a cool tube for my 400 watt hps/mh to throw in another box .... im going to expermnt with the two to see which will produce better results. here in a week i will start the lowryder i got for both cabs...i wil post pics as soon as i get digicam back from friend..

heres some links to wholesale hps lighting...if ur moneys tight..

http://www.insidesun.com/

also im doing this grow in aeroponics so as to fill u all in the setup type i ll be runnin....total of 4 plants in each cab...
Keep on tokin babby........................................

[trichrome]

sweet price on the hps.i'll post a pic of the "little bugger in a bucket".everyone that has seen it has never seen anything quite so short and bushy,no stretch at all with the 3 lights in a 5 gal. bucket.just a rare seed i found in some good herb,sort of blueberry/bubblegumish?
i need to get my ass in gear and build a new home for "her".........so far.lmfao