Iranian police arrest partygoers

[Psycho4Bud]

Police in Iran say they have arrested 20 young people at a party in the city of Karaj, north-west of the capital Tehran, on Wednesday night.
More than 200 people were arrested a week ago in the same city for attending an illegal rock concert.

Parties, attended by members of both sexes, and where alcohol is consumed, are illegal in Iran.

The Iranian authorities have in recent months increased their enforcement of what is deemed to be moral behaviour.

Dress codes for women have been a particular target.

Police Col Majid Bazmun told the state Irna news agency that police surrounded the building in Karaj where the "decadent gathering" was taking place after acting on a tip-off from a member of the public.

Iran's chief of police, Esmaeel Ahmadi Moghaddam, said that the crackdown of recent months, described officially as the drive to "elevate security in society", would continue as it had proved popular with the public.
BBC NEWS | Middle East | Iranian police arrest partygoers (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6938753.stm)

And this is the Government that the Dems love to protect.....tsk,tsk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAkfHShATKY

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

And this is the Government that the Dems love to protect.....tsk,tsk
Don't you see that it is not the government we want to protect, but the people that might, if left alone, replace these assholes with a democratic government. Just as it is not the American people that are hated accross the globe, but the US Government and it's wicked foriegn policy. If you could help the people overthrow their government, then I might approve, just like I might approve of the people of the USA overthrowing this evil government.

[fishman3811]

P4B sounds like your country not too long ago remember segragation remember women were not allowed to vote remember when booze was illegal remember when women were accused of being witches and burned at the stake?Well u might not be that old but come on P4b just because a country is backwards to your thinking doesnt give you a right to invade it for the sake of the people.Iran of today reminds me of your country during the pilgrim years.Yes you have evolved since then for the better{some may disagree} and so should Iran evolve by itself.Anyway so what if they want to place people in jail its of no concern to me since it doesnt affect me one bloody bit.They can jail Peter Pan for all i care its there problem not anybody elses

[Anubis10012007]

Iran is not a threat. Just a little annoying.

[eg420ne]

The biggest threat to the World is the late great US of A............ & most hated country in the world....

[Ganja Dude]

most hated country in the world....


Really? Don't live in America if you hate it so much. You sound like a rambling conspiracy theorist.

[pwn3dy0]

^

His country lists him as mexico. That being said, what he said is completey factual. The most hated country (worldwide) by FAR is the United States. It's not even close. Not a conspiracy, just a fact.

[medicinal]

^

His country lists him as mexico. That being said, what he said is completey factual. The most hated country (worldwide) by FAR is the United States. It's not even close. Not a conspiracy, just a fact.

Unfortunately, this is true, We are the most hated by the rest of the world, the bullies of the planet, the corporate led army that will fuck you up if you resist their greedy ways. If anyone really can't see this, they need to be de-programmed. All our lives we have been fed this bullshit about how we are the greatest nation on earth and how our enemies want to destroy us. This may be true, The part about our enemies wanting to destroy us anyway. We (the US government) have fucked over so many nations for the corporations that it would be hard to find one we haven't. Pull your heads out. We can be the greatest nation and lead the world, but we need to make some major changes first. I do have a list of needed changes, but it is rather long.

[Blindman0v0]

Kuwait wasn't any fun either.Should have let Iraq have them.No drinking? Thats sacreligious.:)

[Ganja Dude]

Unfortunately, this is true, We are the most hated by the rest of the world, the bullies of the planet, the corporate led army that will fuck you up if you resist their greedy ways. If anyone really can't see this, they need to be de-programmed. All our lives we have been fed this bullshit about how we are the greatest nation on earth and how our enemies want to destroy us. This may be true, The part about our enemies wanting to destroy us anyway. We (the US government) have fucked over so many nations for the corporations that it would be hard to find one we haven't. Pull your heads out. We can be the greatest nation and lead the world, but we need to make some major changes first. I do have a list of needed changes, but it is rather long.

We see eye to eye when it comes to politics. I've read many of your posts before. My minds been as de-programmed as it can get. :cool: Ron Paul 2008

[Psycho4Bud]

We see eye to eye when it comes to politics. I've read many of your posts before.

I thought I felt a distrurbance in the force........:vader1:


We (the US government) have fucked over so many nations for the corporations that it would be hard to find one we haven't.

Hey med.........what about most to all of Western Europe that we saved from Hitlers machine or the pacific region that we also saved from Japan? And what about Germany and Japan.......industrial giants again thanks to us. Lets talk about S.Korea once......I'm sure these folks are a hell of alot happier thanks to our efforts than they would have been united with the North.

And as for the big bad U.S. corporations raping the Middle East of its oil, lets look at the facts. The countries that we have companies in KEEP 90% of the profits on every barrel of oil. Now it's up to these nations how THEY distribute this wealth...not us or our corporate monster.

So why do they hate? For the same reason that there are football teams going after the big prize, boxers going after that belt, etc...we ARE the big dogs on the block and with that brings resentment and challengers.

Have a good one!:s4:

[medicinal]

P4B, you just don't get it. We are hated for our arrogance, our, we're better than you stance. The ugly American has long gone around the world with their arrogant mindset. The rich people (Who are the view most foriegners get of the USA) have always had an arrogant view towards most foriegners, you think they can't see this? Couple that with the attrocious foriegn policy that our government has handed out since the good old post WWII days, and viola, you have the hatred of America by most foriegn countries. In a world getting ever smaller, we can't afford to be the cops and assholes in charge anymore. It is time to open dialogs and send out envoys to our friends snd enemies alike, start a goodwill tour if you will. We need to be seen as the good guys that we can be. The World already knows the large hammer we hold, and to shake it in their face only adds to the hatred. Think how you'd feel if china had all the weapons and we had none and they were bullying the world including us, marching soldiers and tanks down our boulevards, kicking in our front doors and dragging us out to the gulags, welcome to Iraq. You think those people like us, you think the rest of the world is not watching, wake up man, this shit is real.

[king of the world]

P4B, you just don't get it. We are hated for our arrogance, our, we're better than you stance. The ugly American has long gone around the world with their arrogant mindset. The rich people (Who are the view most foriegners get of the USA) have always had an arrogant view towards most foriegners, you think they can't see this? Couple that with the attrocious foriegn policy that our government has handed out since the good old post WWII days, and viola, you have the hatred of America by most foriegn countries. In a world getting ever smaller, we can't afford to be the cops and assholes in charge anymore. It is time to open dialogs and send out envoys to our friends snd enemies alike, start a goodwill tour if you will. We need to be seen as the good guys that we can be. The World already knows the large hammer we hold, and to shake it in their face only adds to the hatred. Think how you'd feel if china had all the weapons and we had none and they were bullying the world including us, marching soldiers and tanks down our boulevards, kicking in our front doors and dragging us out to the gulags, welcome to Iraq. You think those people like us, you think the rest of the world is not watching, wake up man, this shit is real.


listen to this man, he's making sense.

[FreshNugz]

Well, there are valid arguments on both sides, I think.
Sure, the world might not take kindly to the arrogance of the US, or it's domination, but P4B is right to say that being the top dog makes the little dogs nip at your heels. This is a natural occurence in our unilateral international forum. We could go with Bilateral...like when the US and Russia were the dominant ones...but was that really secure? I'd say no. It seems(and correct me if I;m wrong P4B), that he just is happier with the US being in charge, and is for the notion that it acts to protect its interests so that it doesn't lose its power. That's reasonable I would say.

And the left wingers say of course that America's problem is indeed the fact that it doesnt do anything where it's interests aren't concentrated. Ex. Rwanda...they didn't go in because they had no interests there to protect. Yes, it's terrible...but thats the way it is. And for those who blame that situation on republican;s and their greedy ways...it was the democrat Clinton who ignored the problem...so nobody should say, oh the dems wouldn't have allowed that to continue.

So...two options...one country in power, or two.
Personally, I don't like either...but when it comes to stability, the unilateral approach is best. Unfortunately, the US constantly needs to remind people that they are in power, and sometimes they do this in an arrogant manner...nobody will argue. However....they kind of have to. Are they just going to let someone else have a slice of the power, and then 'share" it?? It just doesn't work that way. Because the US is scared of competition, as is any country in power.

So some say, how about trilateral. What if Britain, Germany, US, etc. all had a piece of power. And then they could balance each other. Well, such was the idea, however after the world wars, we needed to settle and appease some(eg. China and Russia). Now, since they sit on the security council, there isn't such a world tension brewing. The problem is, they aren't on the same ideological page as the US, and some other countries like Britain, Germany, etc. They are the ones blocking any action on countries who are threatening world stability. But, if we say they can't be on the security council....all hell would break loose.

All conundrums...but I couldn't give an answer/solution. Otherwise I'd be a high priced policy advisor. haha.:rasta:

[Psycho4Bud]

And the left wingers say of course that America's problem is indeed the fact that it doesnt do anything where it's interests aren't concentrated. Ex. Rwanda...they didn't go in because they had no interests there to protect. Yes, it's terrible...but thats the way it is. And for those who blame that situation on republican;s and their greedy ways...it was the democrat Clinton who ignored the problem...so nobody should say, oh the dems wouldn't have allowed that to continue.

Rwanda.........It was more about the French presence on the ground with 15,000 troops DURING the genocide more than the lack of interest of corporate America. Well, that combined with B. Clintons problems with stains on the dress.....seems he was a bit distracted from the issue.....BAD America!!


Think how you'd feel if china had all the weapons and we had none and they were bullying the world including us, marching soldiers and tanks down our boulevards, kicking in our front doors and dragging us out to the gulags, welcome to Iraq. You think those people like us, you think the rest of the world is not watching, wake up man, this shit is real.

Since you relate that statement to Iraq my question would be of what religious/ethnic background I am. IF I were Shiite or Kurd, I'd be VERY happy that China was doing this and removing the person/regime that was killing ALL my relatives. IF I were Sunni, I'd probably be right in with the majority of the Dems on the issue.

[fishman3811]

America isnt hated because they are the big dogs in this world ,they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?But what do u guys care since Saddam was threat to the U.S and had to be dealt with.Even though they were virtually defenseless 10 years of sanctions will usually do that to a country.Iraq was no more of a threat to America than Canada is.But naw you guys had to bring the hammer down on a country that couldnt defend itself kinda like Germany invading Poland.But at least Germany took control of the situation after the invasion of Poland you guys cant control a bunch of kids with AK-47s and home made bombs.

[medicinal]

A lot of people will have to die before this world is changed for the better. The way things are looking, that change will probably take place within several decades.

Nope, 2012 is the end. Been touted in several seers prophecies, Nostradamus, the Incas. I think the world will be at the boiling point by then. But maybe like Y2K life as we know it will go on. It's just that man has never invented a weapon that he hasn't used to great extent, The bombing of Japan was just a teaser.

[Psycho4Bud]

Nope, 2012 is the end. Been touted in several seers prophecies, Nostradamus, the Incas. I think the world will be at the boiling point by then. But maybe like Y2K life as we know it will go on. It's just that man has never invented a weapon that he hasn't used to great extent, The bombing of Japan was just a teaser.

:D......Well, I'll keep up my high hopes.....nothing wrong with having an optomistic view on things my friend.


America isnt hated because they are the big dogs in this world ,they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?

Come on now fishman.......I've heard of grasping at straws but comparing us to Nazi Germany? By the way....isn't it Canada with the oil contracts in Iraq and the NEW flag in the North Pole just to piss of Russia? Don't worry about that Russia thing though.....as usual, Big Bro to the south will make sure nothing bad happens to ya all.:thumbsup:

Amazing on how the left wing in here can turn "Iranian police arrest partygoers" into this. Tsk, tsk, tsk.........

Have a good one!:s4:

[eg420ne]

sorry p4b i think youve lost this battle

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

America isnt hated because they are the big dogs in this world ,they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?But what do u guys care since Saddam was threat to the U.S and had to be dealt with.Even though they were virtually defenseless 10 years of sanctions will usually do that to a country.Iraq was no more of a threat to America than Canada is.But naw you guys had to bring the hammer down on a country that couldnt defend itself kinda like Germany invading Poland.But at least Germany took control of the situation after the invasion of Poland you guys cant control a bunch of kids with AK-47s and home made bombs.

Keep in mind, though, that the German's managed to institute such effective control because unlike the Americans, they threw all human rights out the window. I'm sure the U.S. could control Iraq rather effectively if they just arbitrarily kicked down any door they pleased, shot anybody who breathed a word of resentment, and imprisoned anybody and everybody who didn't have the right political views. (although they definately do this to a degree, but not the full degree that's necessary for total supression).
Also, Iraq is surrounded by muslim nations sympathetic to the insurgent cause. Nations that are well equiped, well funded, and driven by religious fanaticism. I wouldn't say the Polish resistance had the same advantage.




Now as for the topic at hand, busting partygoers for, you know... being human; well that's clearly bullshit driven by ignorant religious fanaticism. But, it would seem hypocritical to wage war on a regime for impossing their morality on the populace, when the very act of invasion for that reason would be imposing our morality on them. It's like "how dare you force your morals on others! Our morals say that's wrong, so we're forcing them on you!"

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

By the way....isn't it Canada with the oil contracts in Iraq

I wasn't aware of this, I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the info!


and the NEW flag in the North Pole just to piss of Russia? Don't worry about that Russia thing though.....as usual, Big Bro to the south will make sure nothing bad happens to ya all.:thumbsup:

Not just a flag, we're setting up 2 military bases up there:jointsmile:. It's hardly "just to piss off the Russians", they're the ones who started the whole thing by trying to claim the arctic land by planting the first flag. Now who has rights to the area is debateable I suppose, but Canada nonetheless is making efforts to protect our arctic sovereignty and valuable resources. I'm glad we finally have a government with the balls to stand up for Canadian interests.
What I find incredible is that America is actually trying to claim rights to certain arctic passages and regions. If I remember my geography right, I think us Canadian folk are a bit more connected:wtf:


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sorry p4b i think youve lost this battle

Oh and dude, there's nothing more anoying then people who just end debates by declaring themselves the winner whilst arguments are still being made.

[eg420ne]

yeah dude im just messin with p4b, been saying that to him for 2 yrs now, you still see him here, right....adios....

[FreshNugz]

they are hated and considered the biggest threat to world peace since Hitler.So hows that P4B you like being the worlds new Germany?....
you guys cant control a bunch of kids with AK-47s and home made bombs.

With all due respect, i find that comment very ignorant.

To Gandalf:

I see your stance on the "we can;'t impose our values on a nation whose values we denounced" thing...it's just that when those values become murderous and dangerous to other nations, I think it may be wise to step in. Sure, Israel has firepower, but Iran has hardcore devoted soldiers, and in no way shape or form would this war be "easy". Not that any ever is.

I don't want the war. But if it helps secure the world...and it's what becomes inevitable..then we should at least prepare. It's all fine and dandy to wave a diplomacy flag...to a CERTAIN point...and to be smart, a country should figure out that point, because if you wait and try to solve everything with diplomacy, you wake up to a huge disaster, that could have been avoided, but we chose to be "civil".
It's not nice..i'd love to live in a paradise world where we could get everyone to toke a fat spliff and work it all out..and respect each other and help each other....but the world has become so aggressive. It just isn't going to happen. Countries are changing. Gaining strength. And becoming more open and antagonistic.

I also like that Harper sent some stuff up there to keep the Russians company. That was a bold move by them...by Canada's standards...With the liberals it'd be...please don't go there...ok..you went. Well have a nice time eh! :rasta:

[fishman3811]

US 'biggest global peace threat'

The Iraq war continues to damage the US image, the survey says
People in European and Muslim countries see US policy in Iraq as a bigger threat to world peace than Iran's nuclear programme, a survey has shown.
The survey by the Pew Research Group also found support for US President George W Bush and his "war on terror" had dropped dramatically worldwide.

Goodwill created by US aid for nations hit by the 2004 tsunami had also faded since last year, the survey found.

The survey questioned 17,000 people in 15 countries, including the US.

The latest in a series of annual polls by the Pew Global Attitudes Project interviewed respondents between 31 March and 14 May 2006.

Its release coincides with a surprise visit by President George W Bush to Baghdad in an effort to shore up support for US policy in the region.

'Fading goodwill'

The latest survey shows the worldwide reputation of the US continues to suffer over its prosecution of the "war on terror".

Sharp declines in the public perception of the US were particularly apparent in India, Spain and Turkey.

Goodwill towards the US had fallen from 71% to 56% in India, from 41% to 23% in Spain and from 23% to 12% in Turkey.

A majority of people in 10 of the 14 countries outside the US surveyed said the war in Iraq had made the world a more dangerous place.

Some 60% of people in the UK, which is the US biggest ally, felt the Iraq war had made the world less secure, while 30% said it had made the world safer.

According to the survey:


Worldwide support for the "war on terror" has remained the same or declined
European confidence in Mr Bush has sunk even lower than it was last year
A majority of people in most countries feel the US will not achieve its goals in the "war on terror"
The survey also found little remaining evidence of the goodwill the US had earned over its aid for victims of the 2004 Indian Ocean tsunami.

In Indonesia, a major recipient of US tsunami aid, favourable opinions of the US had fallen from 38% in 2005 to 30% this year.

"Last year we saw some good news in countries like Russia and India," Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Centre, told the Associated Press news agency.

"That good news being wiped away is a measure of how difficult a problem this is for the United States."

Muslim differences

According to the survey, people in the US and Europe have grown increasingly concerned in the last year over Iran's nuclear programme.

The US has accused Iran of seeking to build a nuclear bomb - but Iran says its nuclear programme has a purely civilian objective.

Almost half of the Americans surveyed, 46%, viewed the current government in Iran as a "great danger" to stability in the Middle East and to world peace - a figure that has risen from 26% in 2003.

In Germany, Spain, France and the UK, the percentage of people who regard Iran as a great danger is roughly three times greater than it was three years ago.

However, the poll showed public opinion in predominantly Muslim countries was far less troubled by Tehran's nuclear programme.

Muslim people also appeared less concerned than Europeans and Americans by the victory of the Hamas militant group in Palestinian elections earlier this year.

The survey found concern over bird flu was largely confined to Asia, while two-thirds of people surveyed in each country said they were worried by global warming.

Concern over the greenhouse effect was highest in India and Japan and lowest in the US and China.

The survey interviewed people in China, Egypt, France, Germany, Great Britain, India, Indonesia, Japan, Jordan, Nigeria, Pakistan, Russia, Spain, Turkey and the US.

Its margin of error was two to six percentage points.

[fishman3811]

["Which country really poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003? TIME asks for readers' views."--Results to date: North Korea 5.6 %; Iraq 6.5 %; The United States 87.9 %; Total Votes Cast: 673,027 -- "TIME Magazine," March 10, 2003]

Al Goodman, "Polls: 90 percent of Spaniards against war," CNN, March 29, 2003

William Pfaff, "A fiction shattered by America's aggression," International Herald Tribune, November 1, 2003

[The survey, conducted in October, of 500 people from each of the EU's member nations included a list of 15 countries with the question, 'tell me if in your opinion it presents or not a threat to peace in the world'. Israel was reportedly picked by 59 per cent of those interviewed.--Peter Beaumont, "Israel outraged as EU poll names it a threat to peace," Guardian, November 2, 2003]

[Only 5 percent of those polled said they believed the United States invaded Iraq "to assist the Iraqi people," and only 1 percent believed it was to establish democracy there.--Walter Pincus, "Skepticism About U.S. Deep, Iraq Poll Shows," Washington Post, November 12, 2003]

Richard Morin and Dana Milbank, "Most Think Truth Was Stretched to Justify Iraq War," Washington Post, February 13, 2004

Jeff Sallot, "Bush lied to justify Iraq war, Canada right to stay out: poll," Globe and Mail, March 15, 2004

[BBC World asked 1,500 viewers of its news and international channel for the biggest problems in the world with 52% saying the US and globalisation.--"'US is bigger threat than terror'," BBC News, April 9, 2004]

[the findings of a new survey of African attitudes, thought to be the biggest-ever of its kind . . . 54 per cent of the interviewees - not just among Muslims - saw the US as a threat.--"Us and them," Independent, October 18, 2004]

[Fifty-eight per cent of the 22,000 who took part in the poll, commissioned by the BBC World Service, said they expected Mr Bush to have a negative impact on peace and security, compared with only 26% who considered him a positive force.--Ewen MacAskill, "World fears new Bush era," Guardian, January 20, 2005]

[That put the United States behind China (69 percent positive), and not even in the overall Top 10 countries, regions or groups that Australians respect.--Raymond Bonner, "U.S. Image in Australia Isn't So Good, Poll Finds," New York Times, March 29, 2005]

[15 of the 23 countries surveyed said the US had a negative influence in the world.--Raymond Bonner, "Europe influence seen as positive," BBC, April 6, 2005]

["America is less a beacon of hope than a dangerous force to be countered." So says a report by a nine-member State Department ad hoc advisory committee--"U.S. Needs to Go Goodwill Hunting," Washington Post, September 30, 2005]

Julian Borger and Uki Goni, "Bush feels hand of God as poll ratings slump," Guardian, November 5, 2005

[Asked to name the two nations that present the greatest threat to regional peace, 70 percent named Israel, 63 percent the United States, and 11 percent Britain. Only 6 percent named our bete noire Iran.--Patrick J. Buchanan, "Might the Arabs Have a Point?," American Conservative, January 16, 2006]

Brian Knowlton, "Image of U.S. falls again," International Herald Tribune, June 13, 2006

Ewen MacAskill, "US seen as a bigger threat to peace than Iran, worldwide poll suggests," Guardian, June 15, 2006

[30 per cent of respondents believe the U.S. is the greatest threat to global stability.--"Europeans See U.S. as Threat to Global Stability," Angus Reid, September 5, 2006]

[British voters see George Bush as a greater danger to world peace than either the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, or the Iranian president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.--Julian Glover, "British believe Bush is more dangerous than Kim Jong-il," Guardian, November 3, 2006]

[The World Service survey, conducted in 25 nations including the US, found that three in four respondents disapproved of how Washington had dealt with Iraq.

The majority of the 26,381 respondents also disapproved of the way five other foreign policy areas had been handled.--"View of US's global role 'worse'," BBC News, January 23, 2007]

Simon Tisdall, "Environment and US policy top global fears," Guardian, June 28, 2007

[In the US itself, North Korea and Iran are seen as the biggest risks. However, the youngest US respondents share the Europeans' view that theirs is the biggest threat, with 35 per cent of American 16- to 24-year-olds identifying it as the chief danger to stability.--Daniel Dombey and Stanley Pignal, " Europeans see US as threat to peace," Financial Times, July 1, 2007]

[fishman3811]

FreshNugz so which part of my statement did u find ignorant?I find it extremly ignorant what the American government has done in Iraq.I find it extremly ignorant of how many Americans to this day still think Iraq had something to do with 9/11.I also find it extremly ignorant how anyone can support a war of aggresion against a country ill equipped to defend itself for the soul purpose of controlling its natural resources.So if calling a spade a spade offends you then what can i say?