Haha, Dr. Phil kicked them offstage.

[guerillagrow49]

LOL, Dr. Bill cracks me up. (2nd post)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNPvdsJS-qE

[slipknotpsycho]

old..... as...... hell............. o.0

still ridiculous if you ask me tho... like bumfights is so horrible, sure it's not the most appealing thing in video... but there is much much much much much worse out there....

his thinking (the bum fight creator) is seriously flawed tho...

but for someone who doesn't want this stuff to be promoted he sure did give him alot of publicity.... shit, he got kicked off dr. phil.... that justmakes more people want to see 'what's so bad' ....

[40oz]

The bumfight man is a genius. Props to him for making money off some bullshit like that.

[Blindman0v0]

No such thing as bad publicity.

[keeko]

thats hilarious he dressed up and cut his hair exactly like Dr. phil. And what a waste of the companies money to fly the creator of bum fights out just to tell for dr. phil to kick him off the show.

[TheGanjaKing420]

I hate Dr. Phil with a passion. Ha.

[Breukelen advocaat]

I hate Dr. Phil with a passion. Ha.

You can thank Oprah for making that idiot a household name.

[Professor Dan K.]

ive watched bumfights and indeclined before.. im not gonna lie its pretty funny sometimes and entertaining.. its like cky but they do illegal shit.

[tokinsplinter]

I hate Dr. Phil with a passion. Ha.

i feel your anger, i hate him too. considering hes not really even a doctor, hes a fuckin lawyer

[zino11]

Dr. Phils a fruit

[andy704]

did he really intentionally shave his head and dress up like dr. phil, keeko?

[slipknotpsycho]

did he really intentionally shave his head and dress up like dr. phil, keeko?

have you not seen the dude?

i bet that's why dr. phil kicked him off too.... because he was mocking him...

[slipknotpsycho]

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050210/images/bumfights.jpg

far side.

[birdgirl73]

i feel your anger, i hate him too. considering hes not really even a doctor, hes a fuckin lawyer
He's not an attorney. He's a Ph.D.-level clinical psychologist who owned a firm, Courtroom Sciences, that did psychological consulting for law firms and trials for many years before he met Oprah and became a media "darling."

He's no idiot, but he is a shameless self-promoter and he doesn't really approach psychology from anything other than a surface, TV-show angled approach, but I suppose that's what his job has morphed into. In this area of Texas, which is where he used to live before he moved to Beverly Hills, there are numerous people in the legal, academic and medical communities who've worked with him, which is not said to be an easy thing to do.

[slipknotpsycho]

lmao.. if i was about to quit from under his employment i'd probably bring a car buffer and start shining his head and see how long he takes it before firing me.....

omg that would be hilarious... bring a lil carnuba wax, and a nice buffer pad on one of those rotary electrical buffers... and just start going to town, like you were actually polishing a car and counting in your head to see how many seconds/minutes he took it.

[FakeBoobsRule]

When this first aired, I remember seeing an article or story about it and I think it had an interview from the promoter. In it he said Dr. Phil knew what he was going to dress up like Phil and that he let him come out like that only to grandstand like Phil does and then kick him off to the joy of the crowd. He was absolutely right though, Dr. Phil often exploits people's problems for his gain.

[birdgirl73]

The whole show has become like Jerry Springer this season and last. It's really sad. I gather it's the Springerized shows that grab the daytime ratings, which is too bad. Some of the practical advice he used to give about parenting and even marital interactions was perfectly valid, solid psychological information when he was first on. But I guess it wasn't dramatic enough.

[chodelow]

I believe that both of them found ways to use other people to become rich.....only on oppisite sides of the spectrum, but both quite clever IMO.

[slipknotpsycho]

The whole show has become like Jerry Springer this season and last. It's really sad. I gather it's the Springerized shows that grab the daytime ratings, which is too bad. Some of the practical advice he used to give about parenting and even marital interactions was perfectly valid, solid psychological information when he was first on. But I guess it wasn't dramatic enough.

well in all honesty, the people don't want actual heartfelt advice about relationships and parenting and all that...

they want lying, cheating, rape victims, and near death victims..

atleast that's what tv ratings show anyways...

[Nation_1ne]

It doesn't matter if you like Dr. Phil or not Bum Fights is morally wrong.

[slipknotpsycho]

i don't think any of us have a right to talk whether it's right or wrong (and don't take that as me defending the series)

i think it's really up to the 'bums' in all honesty... i mean shit like his spoof of steve irwin, unless it was planned is seriously fucked up, but otherwise, these people go along with it and they're happy to do so... and alot of people would do the same, people will do some dumb crazy shit to get on tv/dvd/be spread over the net.... (fame)

in all honesty i think it's up to them... and i've yet to see any bum only half way particpate, much less debate it....

[birdgirl73]

well in all honesty, the people don't want actual heartfelt advice about relationships and parenting and all that...
At least one of us did. . . . on the occasions when the show provided it!! I don't have to have the drama or the fighting or buffoonery (Dr. Phil himself). I suppose this is why perhaps I do better with well-written books instead, at least since his show has taken the Springerized turn.

[Nation_1ne]

i don't think any of us have a right to talk whether it's right or wrong (and don't take that as me defending the series)

I think we do have a right really.


i think it's really up to the 'bums' in all honesty... i mean shit like his spoof of steve irwin, unless it was planned is seriously fucked up, but otherwise, these people go along with it and they're happy to do so... and alot of people would do the same, people will do some dumb crazy shit to get on tv/dvd/be spread over the net.... (fame)

in all honesty i think it's up to them... and i've yet to see any bum only half way particpate, much less debate it....

How is it upto the bums? Most of them are constantly drunk and are elderly men. Some of those bums have now gone through rehab and feel used, exposed, and utterly ashamed because they were given alchol to feed their addiction in return for doing stupid stunts. I'm sorry but that is in no way right.

[slipknotpsycho]

well i never knew any of that.... (the rehab and shit part)

as for the rest i still stand by what i said... for the ones that don't really care and just see the money and fame, who are we to really stand in the way.... i mean afterall... everyone of us here believes someone else shouldn't be in charge of making our decisions on what's right or healthy...

or do you wanna be just like the govt. and every other high ranking council and do the whole double standard thing.. where it's ok to say one thing, then on another subject do the exact opposite...?

[birdgirl73]

I have to agree with you, Nation 1ne. I think such exploitation of the bums is the lowest of the low. But in all honesty, I think Phil McGraw exploits situations, too, as someone else said. He simply does it a slight bit higher up the food chain. Ethically/morally, both situations are troubling, aren't they? At least for the exploitees.

[Nation_1ne]

as for the rest i still stand by what i said... for the ones that don't really care and just see the money and fame, who are we to really stand in the way.... i mean afterall... everyone of us here believes someone else shouldn't be in charge of making our decisions on what's right or healthy...

I'm sorry but that's obviously not the case. I'm willing to believe that all of them bums are alcoholics or have some form of addiction. None of them guys are doing it because they think it's a good old laugh. Also, them bums are hardly in a position to turn down the money.


or do you wanna be just like the govt. and every other high ranking council and do the whole double standard thing.. where it's ok to say one thing, then on another subject do the exact opposite...?

Sorry what? Wanna tell me where I'm being a hypocrite exactly? Bullshit comment.

[slipknotpsycho]

why the hell are you trying to argue with me anyways? is it becuaes i'm the only one who will respond, if you're so appaled by it, why don't you write the creator...?

as for this i'm done. i said what i have to say on the subject and i stand by it.

if you can't see how it's hypocritical then i misjudged you, because it's pretty obvious how.

[Nation_1ne]

why the hell are you trying to argue with me anyways? is it becuaes i'm the only one who will respond

Ermmm, if you look back mate I think you'll find you're the one who approached me. I said this is morally wrong and you challenged that statement. N' of course it because you're the only one who responded, it would be rude to ignore you.


if you're so appaled by it, why don't you write the creator...?

What? If that's the case then why bother having a forum that debates issues if we can all just write letters to the creators.


if you can't see how it's hypocritical then i misjudged you, because it's pretty obvious how.

No, it's not obvious that's the problem. Please point it out because I don't think you can.


I have to agree with you, Nation 1ne. I think such exploitation of the bums is the lowest of the low. But in all honesty, I think Phil McGraw exploits situations, too, as someone else said. He simply does it a slight bit higher up the food chain. Ethically/morally, both situations are troubling, aren't they? At least for the exploitees.

I'm glad you agree Birdy, it is a low form of exploitation. You're right Dr. Phil does exploit situations, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as disturbing as bum fights as you've said.

[slipknotpsycho]

I'm glad you agree Birdy, it is a low form of exploitation. You're right Dr. Phil does exploit situations, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near as disturbing as bum fights as you've said.

um...i would.... have you seen some of his shows? rape victims, people who were almost killed by their spouse.... ??

that's just as disturbing as getting some desperate guy to eat a frog or run headfirst into one of those steel boxes that house electrical circuits near traffic lights....

actually to be honest i'd say dr. phil's exploitation is even higher.... hmm... rape victim or desperate bum....

[Nation_1ne]

um...i would.... have you seen some of his shows? rape victims, people who were almost killed by their spouse.... ??

that's just as disturbing as getting some desperate guy to eat a frog or run headfirst into one of those steel boxes that house electrical circuits near traffic lights....

actually to be honest i'd say dr. phil's exploitation is even higher.... hmm... rape victim or desperate bum....

What the hell? I never justified Dr. Phils actions. N' I'm sorry but no, rape victims have more sense and self control than a bum who is an alcoholic and living rough on the street. Not only that Dr. Phils methods are a lot more ethical as Birdy put it, it also helps raise awareness and an understanding of how these criminals affect peoples lives.

All I said was Bum Fights is morally wrong, regardless if you like Dr. Phil or not. You tell me how that says I believe Dr. Phils actions are justified?

[slipknotpsycho]

What the hell? I never justified Dr. Phils actions. N' I'm sorry but no, rape victims have more sense and self control than a bum who is an alcholic and living rough on the street.

All I said was Bum Fights is morally wrong, regardless if you like Dr. Phil or not. You tell me how that says I believe Dr. Phils actions are justified?

tell me where i ever said you said they were justified?

both are exploitation... i dunno about you, but i know i'd rather be an exploited drunk bum on a street given a few bucks and a bottle to do something stupid, then be on national tv while dr. phil made millions off my rape story. maybe that's just me tho...

[Nation_1ne]

tell me where i ever said you said they were justified?

You called me a hypoctire for crying out loud. If that isn't what you were referring to then tell me, what do you mean?


both are exploitation... i dunno about you, but i know i'd rather be an exploited drunk bum on a street given a few bucks and a bottle to do something stupid, then be on national tv while dr. phil made millions off my rape story. maybe that's just me tho...

Well I think you're rather delusional then. I don't see how having "Bum Fights" tattooed on your forehead, or smashing a friends face in for a couple of bucks is better of than talking on a show about an experience in your life.

[slipknotpsycho]

You called me a hypoctire for crying out loud. If that isn't what you were referring to then tell me, what do you mean?



Well I think you're rather delusional then. I don't see how having "Bum Fights" tattooed on your forehead, or smashing a friends face in for a couple of bucks is better of than talking on a show about an experience in your life.

as you are as well... let me see if i can explain it in a simple way..

none of us have the right to say what's wrong or right for these bums...

simple: are you a bum? where you there? do you know these bums? if not, then who are you to say what is right or wrong... you are a hypocrite becuase you obviously don't want marijuana to be illegal, which the govt. decides is bad and wrong for us, which i'm sure you think is wrong but now flip it around and you're trying to say what is right or wrong... does that mean it's not wrong? no. just simply you don't have the right to say such a thing, until you are in that position you don't have the right to say what is good or bad for them.... they are adults and can make their own decisions, and simply put to argue that, is to argue that it is wrong that the govt. should have the same control over us.

next....

regret... so maybe they regretted it afterward, but they sure were willing to do it before hand correct? what about the horrible stories and memories being brought up so dr. phil can keep his show on the air... what about the real victims... i don't care who you are or what you say, being a rape victim myself, i can promise you it hurts much deeper and much worse, then having a tattoo on your face, being hit in the face with a brick or the humility they put the bums through for the show.... unless you were a victim yourself i don't think you can really even begin to understand the pain and anguish such a thing causes... and for some they lock it away and try to move on, then they go on this show, not thinking, and there is dr. phil, bringing back a flood of memories and nightmares and pain.

again, dr. phil is more exploitave then bumfights

both are exploitave, but there is no way in hell anything they've done to any bum could hurt as bad or bring back such pain as the shows i've seen dr. phil do... and he rarely even has compassion... he hardly lets them finish what they feel the need to say... his main tagline is "im gonna stop you for a moment" for christs sake...

[Nation_1ne]

as you are as well... let me see if i can explain it in a simple way..

none of us have the right to say what's wrong or right for these bums...

simple: are you a bum? where you there? do you know these bums? if not, then who are you to say what is right or wrong... you are a hypocrite becuase you obviously don't want marijuana to be illegal, which the govt. decides is bad and wrong for us, which i'm sure you think is wrong but now flip it around and you're trying to say what is right or wrong... does that mean it's not wrong? no. just simply you don't have the right to say such a thing, until you are in that position you don't have the right to say what is good or bad for them.... they are adults and can make their own decisions, and simply put to argue that, is to argue that it is wrong that the govt. should have the same control over us.

next....

regret... so maybe they regretted it afterward, but they sure were willing to do it before hand correct? what about the horrible stories and memories being brought up so dr. phil can keep his show on the air... what about the real victims... i don't care who you are or what you say, being a rape victim myself, i can promise you it hurts much deeper and much worse, then having a tattoo on your face, being hit in the face with a brick or the humility they put the bums through for the show.... unless you were a victim yourself i don't think you can really even begin to understand the pain and anguish such a thing causes... and for some they lock it away and try to move on, then they go on this show, not thinking, and there is dr. phil, bringing back a flood of memories and nightmares and pain.

again, dr. phil is more exploitave then bumfights

both are exploitave, but there is no way in hell anything they've done to any bum could hurt as bad or bring back such pain as the shows i've seen dr. phil do... and he rarely even has compassion... he hardly lets them finish what they feel the need to say... his main tagline is "im gonna stop you for a moment" for christs sake...

Dear god, your arguments fails, and hard for that matter. I refuse to even bother trying to explain myself again. This has gone from an interesting debate to you making petey insults and arguments that stand on very thin ice, and some have no relevance to the subject at hand anyway.

[slipknotpsycho]

no you just refuse to listen to anything other then your own ideas... if you don't bother listening, how is it supposed ot make sense...

and btw i never wanted a debate anyways, i expressed my opinion twice, instead of just seeing it was my opinion you chose to debate it...

and for some odd reason you somehow had gotten the idea in your head i was saying it wasn't morally wrong.

[FakeBoobsRule]

I find the phil house an excellent example of how he exploits people.

You know phil and Oprah don't get along anymore. She makes a huge percentage off his show and he feels she needs to get her hands out of his wallet.

She hired him because of the Beef Industry lawsuit.

[Nation_1ne]

no you just refuse to listen to anything other then your own ideas... if you don't bother listening, how is it supposed ot make sense...

I always listen to other peoples opinions and take them time to see where they're coming from. I have read every word you had written and replied to them. I think that show's I do listen.


and btw i never wanted a debate anyways, i expressed my opinion twice, instead of just seeing it was my opinion you chose to debate it...

The moment you questioned my reasoning you opened it up for debate. If you didn't want to debate the mater you wouldn't have made the query.


and for some odd reason you somehow had gotten the idea in your head i was saying it wasn't morally wrong.

So in that case the whole thing about me being a hypocrite about wanting to make cannabis legal (which has no relevance in this subject anyway) makes you a hypocrite also for thinking it's morally wrong?

Good day to you sir.

[slipknotpsycho]

i just give up, i don't wanna sit here and argue any longer.... i've been up far too long and i'm far too sober to deal with it...

i apologize, i sincerely do. it was never my intention to start some fight or debate....

[birdgirl73]

I feel relieved to see this one seems to be waning in civilized fashion instead of flaring. I want to leave this thread open and am going to for a while longer.

Boys, don't make me come upstairs and close it, OK?

[tootsie roll]

You can thank Oprah for making that idiot a household name.

I hate her and Phil and his wife and kids. What a bunch of scammers and some unfortunates hang on their every word.
Oprah is a big fat phoney too.:mad:

[guerillagrow49]

damn, had no idea this post was gonna get more than just a few responses.

[Jizzle Blizzle420]

I think the creator of Bum Fights should get a good old fashion ass whoopin. I dont care how much money I could make, I couldnt live with meself if I did that.

[TheDefiler]

The whole show has become like Jerry Springer this season and last. It's really sad. I gather it's the Springerized shows that grab the daytime ratings, which is too bad. Some of the practical advice he used to give about parenting and even marital interactions was perfectly valid, solid psychological information when he was first on. But I guess it wasn't dramatic enough.

Jerry Springer was actually a pretty cool show. I just think they went too over the top with the white trash. LOL!

[CannabisCrooz]

"logic makes a man cold"
forgot who said it (or if its the full proper quote) but I think it applies when talking about the morality of bumfights.
May I express my opinon in saying the creator of bumfights is a total scumbag and I really hope there is a God just so this guy can get sent to hell. The bums may be willing but when you go to a crack crazy starving man and say "hey wanna do some stuff for money" what do you expect. He's taking advantage of people at their lowest and that is in no way right or justifiable.

Though that haircut was THE funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Guy's got balls to go on the show like that, especially knowing Phil was just gonna bash him.
Though that makes me think Dr. Phil's a biggger douche too since he probably had that whole "not gonna let him talk just kick him off" thing planned.