So... no one has died from thc?

[WeThePeople]

I was watching this medical show the other day, and there was this guy who was found dead with no appearant wounds or cause of death once the E.r doctor took a toxicoligy on the man marijuana was found in his system and he reported this as his cause of death, I found this very odd, because this stuff is supposed to be perfectly safe, and the guy didnt do anything stupid to cause his death while he was under the influence , since there was no evidence of it, The doctor noted it was just from the marijuana and it shutdown respiatory function or something.? so i dont know anymore

[nightlight]

they didnt look hard enough.

[nightlight]

either that or the weed was laced with an undetectable toxin, like what many people pass off as pcp but is really embalming fluid or something even worse for you.

[slipknotpsycho]

actually there is one debated case... i'm sure someone could find the link, but other then that no...

[Weedhound]

Thats exactly what happens in animals who overdose. Marijuana is considered a CNS depressent....it slows things down. In acute toxicity in dogs the heart rate, body temp, and blood pressure all lower....sometimes too much. Yes, they have to ingest a pretty good amount but it's the same thing with chocolate. If dogs ate one candy bar (a 50lb dog) they'd have no problem. If you ate a straight 5lbs of sees candy maybe it would kill you too.

But yes, I believe it, depending upon the level that was found in his system.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

actually there is one debated case... i'm sure someone could find the link, but other then that no...

I think the one you're talking about is the 80-something year old woman who died after using medical marijuana. She was prescribed it for arthritis, and tried it for the first time in her life. After smoking a joint, she started exhibiting all the signs of a panic attack, was taken to hospital with extreme hyperventilation, and later died. Some have attributed this to a "marijuana overdose", but I think the answer is pretty obvious; she'd never smoked, had an unusually low tolerance, and had a panic attack. When you're in your 80's your body is pretty fragile, and that kind of physical stress can undoubtedly give you a heart attack.

Still, even if we can find 10 cases of marijuana overdose, it's rediculous to deny it's prescription on these grounds considering almost every med out there has significantly higher deathrates. Every year a few hundred people die from acetaminophen, ibeprophen, celebrex, you name it.

[myname=shye]

there is the listed overdose amount
its like 40 something times the average human body weight or something like that, like thc is pretty harmless

[slipknotpsycho]

I think the one you're talking about is the 80-something year old woman who died after using medical marijuana. She was prescribed it for arthritis, and tried it for the first time in her life. After smoking a joint, she started exhibiting all the signs of a panic attack, was taken to hospital with extreme hyperventilation, and later died. Some have attributed this to a "marijuana overdose", but I think the answer is pretty obvious; she'd never smoked, had an unusually low tolerance, and had a panic attack. When you're in your 80's your body is pretty fragile, and that kind of physical stress can undoubtedly give you a heart attack.

Still, even if we can find 10 cases of marijuana overdose, it's rediculous to deny it's prescription on these grounds considering almost every med out there has significantly higher deathrates. Every year a few hundred people die from acetaminophen, ibeprophen, celebrex, you name it.

no that's not it.. the one i'm talking about (not to say i belive it was the cause of death but it is debated regaurdless, and probably the strongest case that's actually documented against marijuana)

i'm pretty sure it was a guy, and he was found to have extremely high abnormal ammounts of thc in his system..... i know for a fact it wasn't an old person, and the person was in reasonable health... as i said had a very high ammount of thc in their system and no other real reason for the death..... so of course the medical examnier labeled it marijuana over dose...

i heard about it thorugh this site and there was a link, but i'm pretty sure that as back in mid 2005.... it was posted a very long time ago.

[Mr_Green]

i did some research my self and it turns out the people can die from marijuana but it takes a hell of a lot to do so and in order it get to that level is very hard because half way there you will be too stoned to even what to smoke more. Now people that have died its due to other drugs mixed with marijuana so therefore marijuana by it self is harmless and people dieing by smoking their 1st time is due to panic attacks and not relaxing which is what marijuana is made for...to relax...

[slipknotpsycho]

there is the listed overdose amount
its like 40 something times the average human body weight or something like that, like thc is pretty harmless

this number gets jumped around alot.. i don't think anyone actually has been able to calculate within reasonable closeness what it'd take...

i've heard everything from 15 pounds to 1500, to 4 times your body weight and everything in between.

and then of course there's the time limits... and i've heard everything from all thta with in 15 minutes to 24 hours...

[Weedhound]

Ld 50 for rats: 666mg/kg. Ld 50 for mice 482mg/kg. Documented. No one cares how many "pounds" it is....all weed is different anyway. I don't think its impossible to eat a bunch of brownies with a couple ozs cooked in at all....or perhaps hash? Then there is the capsules (I made these and found them to be pretty strong). What is Marinol...10mg tablets?

Never say never.....

[slipknotpsycho]

mairnol is actually very diffrent... take it from me i have alot of experience with them... including a near death experience (everyone tells me i'm stupid or got really baked but i've been smokign for 9 years.... i've also done alot of 'otehr things' in that time.... i know when i'm just really fucked up and when i'm dancing with death....)

those things are really unpredictable too...

but yes take enough of those and you will be in shit.... a literal living hell...

[Weedhound]

Slip I believe you completely. And I know cannabis has more to it than the THC of Marinol....I was just trying to put out an example in terms that people could understand better than a gram or a cookie or something.

Too much of ANYTHING....even water or aspirin can be toxic....we all know that. It's silly to say that marijuana is some sort of miracle thing that holds nothing but wonder.....it's a drug like any other drug. It needs to be used safely.

But it CANT imho until people realize it isnt the harmless toy they think it is.

[MrNiceGuy420]

even if he did die from thc which is impossible...one death out of probably like 826892374628685499265 people is still EXTREMELY safe

[cannabisis4for20]

More people die from water each year.

[slipknotpsycho]

even if he did die from thc which is impossible...one death out of probably like 826892374628685499265 people is still EXTREMELY safe

dude nothing is impossible...

and WH i know exactly what you mean by people acting like it's a miracle and there is absolutely nothing bad to it.... there's alot of that on this site... i dunno what scares me more tho... the peopel who perpetuate the negative image or those who perpetuate the godly image....

[Weedhound]

dude nothing is impossible...

and WH i know exactly what you mean by people acting like it's a miracle and there is absolutely nothing bad to it.... there's alot of that on this site... i dunno what scares me more tho... the peopel who perpetuate the negative image or those who perpetuate the godly image....

Dude, tooo true!! :thumbsup:

[Blindman0v0]

I doubt that anyone could smoke enough weed to overdose.I saw a study to that effect a while back.But I imagine that if you smoked and were eating a shit load of munchies it could be possible.
Smoking and you would pass out before you got a lethal dose but you could eat a lot of brownies I imagine before you passed out.

[NextLineIsMine]

Im sure if you ate handfuls and handfuls of pure hash you could croak. But even if your intention was to get baked out of your mind you wouldnt even come close. Besides who would want to waste 2000 something dollars of hash on one session

[WEsmokeED]

It'd be a cool way to die, atleast the experience that is. Of course, the entire incident would be a totally step backwards in the movement towards legalization.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

Well I suppose as long as there's any risk of overdose, no matter how small, we shouldn't legalize this demon weed! Besides, we have a perfectly safe and legal alternative called "alcohol", nobody ever overdoses on that!

[Weedhound]

I completely agree Gandalf....should we make aspirin and water illegal? How about salt?
It's about personal responsibility when making choices.

[marijuana bird]

look nobody has ever died from an over dosage of pot its nearly impossible 2 die from an overdosage of pot i was reading sumthin about it online the other day i might be able 2 find the link ah yes i found the link here it is 10reasons2legalize (http://www.njweedman.com/10reasons2legalize.html)
look at reason#6

[birdgirl73]

This is a tricky question. An overdose from weed is almost medically impossible, at least from the directly ingested active ingredients. But what we don't have quantified and never will is how many people have died more indirectly but still from a cannabis-triggered event. Pathologists in every community will assure you they see those deaths very regularly. Visit a coroner and ask. These are the people who smoke too much weed, often in combination with other medical problems, and suffer a deadly arrhythmia or throw an embolism or have an aneurysm that breaks open and floods the brain or a fit of coughing that results in pulmonary failure. A lot of folks will argue that those are then the result of other medical problems, which is only partially true. Had they not toked up in their already weakened conditions, they might have lived lots longer. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of those deaths every year. But still people like to keep perpetuating the no-deaths-at-all angle.

[Weedhound]

That may be true in people but death by cannabis toxicity, while unusual, is certainly not unheard in the veterinary world. Cannabis toxicity itself in animals is fairly common as well, (especially in dogs) leading to various other medical issues the same way that BG suggested happens in people. BUT I have seen the odd animal die from cannabis toxicity itself..due to bradycardia, hypothermia etc...all direct effects of too much drug and mostly because people figured it WAS harmless and sought treatment too late. Hard lesson to learn. :(

I'm through preaching on this thread. I've had my say and I very much appreciate everyone reading.....whether or not you believe is your choice of course----but I felt that I was heard here.

Thanks :)

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

If dogs ate one candy bar (a 50lb dog) they'd have no problem. If you ate a straight 5lbs of sees candy maybe it would kill you too.

sorry this is off topic but my friends dog is weird cuz he ate like ~$50 of fanny may chocolate in about 5 mins and was fine

he also ate rat poisoning and was fine

[birdgirl73]

Sounds like your friend's dog was lucky! And it sounds like your friend might need to be a more responsible pet-owner if his dog is getting into chocolate and rat poison.

[cannabisis4for20]

This is a tricky question. An overdose from weed is almost medically impossible, at least from the directly ingested active ingredients. But what we don't have quantified and never will is how many people have died more indirectly but still from a cannabis-triggered event. Pathologists in every community will assure you they see those deaths very regularly. Visit a coroner and ask. These are the people who smoke too much weed, often in combination with other medical problems, and suffer a deadly arrhythmia or throw an embolism or have an aneurysm that breaks open and floods the brain or a fit of coughing that results in pulmonary failure. A lot of folks will argue that those are then the result of other medical problems, which is only partially true. Had they not toked up in their already weakened conditions, they might have lived lots longer. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of those deaths every year. But still people like to keep perpetuating the no-deaths-at-all angle.

While I think it's extremely safe, there's a real problem when it comes to these conclusions. One side will tell you that it's put on earth by the devil and one puff will destroy your life. The other side will tell you it was put on earth by god and is a miracle drug. Whatever the truth actually is a lot less studies are done on Marijuana because of it's legal status. Whatever they may be, we know the risks of cigarettes and alcohol. But marijuana is different.

[affasd]

sorry this is off topic but my friends dog is weird cuz he ate like ~$50 of fanny may chocolate in about 5 mins and was fine

he also ate rat poisoning and was fine

haha my dog once ate a huge bag of chocolate, around 2 lbs i think, and was fine

[Sombrero]

Nicotine has a lethal dose at only 40-60mg. The typical accepted LD or lethal dose for many prescription medications is only ten pills. And a the amount of Tylenol in a typical sized bottle is a lethal dose as well. But there is no such thing as a lethal dose of smoked Cannabis sativa. And you don't hear about chain smokers dying from nicotine poisoning, although they probably have very toxic quantities of nicotine in their system. Why are people so worried about one of the safest plants on Earth, Cannabis sativa? If anything, it's probably protecting you from all that harmful crap. And the lethal dose of caffeine is 10 grams, drink to that.

[chuckin deuces]

theoretically if you smoked a straight key of some dank, or maybe an ounce of hash as fast as you could, you might die. or walk into oncoming traffic trying to find taco bell.

[SyndicateJuggalos17]

Sounds like your friend's dog was lucky! And it sounds like your friend might need to be a more responsible pet-owner if his dog is getting into chocolate and rat poison.

i agree completely

[mfqr]

He said it was Marijuana. However, did he say he died from too much marijuana smoke inhalation, or THC? Also, did he give out the THC and other cannabinoid levels found in his body? To come to a conclusion, the report has to be as unbiased as possible. Clearly if there were no THC levels reported, or any other cannabinoid levels reported, then it most likely was not the cause of death. If it was, why would the doctor hesitate to post such detailed information? Also, it is estimated that toxic THC levels have to be around 30,000 - 40,000 times that of the average dose to get stoned. And by estimated, I mean that since nobody has been documented to die from THC, that nobody actually knows the exact ratio. This means a very, very extreme THC level. So extreme that it is humanly impossible to smoke enough grade-A bud within such a short time period.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think cannabis is harmless. However, a direct death caused by toxic THC levels is indeed unheard of. Birdgirl is correct in what she says, though. There are many angles to view this from.

Sombrero, lethal doses also depend on body mass and tolerance. However, I would not doubt that 10,000mg of caffeine could kill everyone who tried that dose. So of course a "lethal dose" would be 10 grams. However, even 8,000mg would likely kill anyone. That's just an overestimated dosage, so that it is definitely correct, because it all depends on body mass and tolerance.

Cheers

[mfqr]

Don't get me wrong, I don't think cannabis is harmless. However, a direct death caused by toxic THC levels is indeed unheard of. Birdgirl is correct in what she says, though. And she usually is correct in what she says. There are many angles to view how a drug can kill somebody. So yes, just as anything can be deadly, so can cannabis; however, cannabis is not toxic, and nobody has been able to prove that wrong as of yet.

Then again, everything that birdgirl said, while true, can still be attributed to irresponsible use of cannabis. Thus, we can conclude that irresponsible use of cannabis, as well as everything else, can be unhealthy and possibly dangerous. However, as we all know, cannabis itself is not a dangerous drug.

Cheers

[Rabbit Lion]

in the end, it takes around 1500 pounds taken in 15 minutes in order to kill an average adult...good luck downing 100 pounds of weed a minute.

[Tea Party]

Let's be frank. The only cause of death is birth, whatever you do along the way is your own business and has nothing to do with the end result, only the speed of its approach. Don't Fear The Reaper. I'm going to go play my cowbell now.

[MadSativa]

huh I am going to have to look into this, I thought it was nearly imposible unless you had other health issues, such as anurisums and time bomb type things. Which can be related to herb; but then again when the body is in a weakend state anything from a fart to not looking up could kill you.

[Sombrero]

Yeah straining on the toilet too hard can kill you.

[orangeman]

If I die because I smoke too much weed and have weak parts oh well, it was meant to happen lawl. But why would anyone even smoke that much weed at one time anyways? Of course everyone is probably curious what it's like but really, it's not even necessary to try and overdose on marijuana I mean wtf lol. Just smoke and enjoy.

[Storm Crow]

Marijuana Deaths v. Pharmaceutical Deaths - Medical Marijuana ProCon.org (http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/pop/deathreports.htm#totals)

cannabis
Primary suspect in death 0
Secondary suspect in death 269

marinol
primary cause of death 4
Secondary cause of death 1

Welbutrin
Primary cause of death 1,132
Secondary cause of death 220

Viagra
Primary cause of death 2,254
Secondary cause of death 40

Vioxx
Primary cause of death 4,540
Secondary cause of death 167

Stephen Sidney, M.D., British Medical Journal (9/20/03, Vol. 327, pp. 635-635): "No acute lethal overdoses of cannabis are known, in contrast to several of its illegal (for example, cocaine) and legal (for example, alcohol, aspirin, acetaminophen) counterparts."

Joycelyn Elders, M.D. (former U.S. Surgeon General), editorial, Rhode Island's Providence Journal; "Unlike many of the drugs we prescribe every day, marijuana has never been proven to cause a fatal overdose."
(9/20/03) British Medical Journal,

Draw your own conclusion on the safety of cannabis! - Granny:hippy:

[Sombrero]

And the really sad part is how cannabis can be used as a substitute for some of those deadly medications.

[Storm Crow]

And did anyone ever find a transcript/article/report/abstract on this supposed "marijuana death"? I googled "cause of death" "marijuana" and didn't see one! Maybe it was hidden way back in entry number 287 or something??- Granny:hippy:

[mfqr]

in the end, it takes around 1500 pounds taken in 15 minutes in order to kill an average adult...good luck downing 100 pounds of weed a minute.

That's just an estimate. It could be less, or it could even be more. Since nobody has been able to do it, nobody knows the exact numbers.

[Zannies]

well, i'm sure a few people have. everyone's body is different and everyone reacts different. i think that 1 in a billion chance is there.

[olympus999]

Nothing is safe. Let the people do what they want to do. As long they dont distrupt other people. We all are going to die some day. Why not enjoy our life? i will better die overdosing in marijuana , worse would be if some drunk driver would kill you.

[Reefer Rogue]

Cannabis will not kill me, if anything transport me to Mt. Zion.