why would religous ppl not believe in Evolution

[zino11]

its proven what the hell your gonna say i came from a rib are you serious thats not no where close to bein proven wheres the facts and wheres the dinosaurs in ur bible what bout them we found the bones they had to be here and ppl who do believe in the bible just answer me why?

[happiestmferoutthere]

Because they will believe whatever they are told to believe. Evidence and truth be damned!

[Inferius]

To evolve means to take responsibility for your life.

To a dogmatic person, that's worse than death.
That's like kicking their legs out from under them.

Every hateful deed is forgiven if you train your mind to calm down with an idea of a globally accepted scape goat.

[MajMike]

I'm a Christian who believes God used evolution to create the Universe, not just us.

Unfortunately, the most ignorant among us are often the loudest and most strident, especially on this subject.

Tip: If you want a serious thread/answer then you should use better grammer and spelling, else the reader is distracted just trying to decide exactly what you are asking/saying.

[Ganj]

I'm a Christian who believes God used evolution to create the Universe, not just us.

Unfortunately, the most ignorant among us are often the loudest and most strident, especially on this subject.

Tip: If you want a serious thread/answer then you should use better grammer and spelling, else the reader is distracted just trying to decide exactly what you are asking/saying.

Take it from the bible, Mike. In other words, how does God say we have come to be? He created us from the dirt and shaped the world in six days?

[eg420ne]

In the creator eyes 1 day be like million yrs to us human beings.......coming from a very religous background, i can safely say i have never been told not to believe in evolution.......why cant evolution and creationist co-exist. have youve seen how many planets exist outside our solar system, theres planets million times larger then our Sun, can you grasp that.....something or somethings or sum beings have to keep this chaos in check...esp in our world,man shouldve wipe each other off long time ago

[Immolation]

Creationists and Evolutionists can't get along because Creationists can't bend.If they bent they would break.Evolution alone does not disprove a God.:stoned:

[Ganj]

You simply cannot deny the All-Mighty Lord's role in creating our existence. And to the faithful, evolution and creationism co-exist harmoniously but to some evolution has come to challenge religion. If it was intended to test the faithful is beyond me. The way I have come to accept is that evolution claims to have the explanation of how we came to be, and so does creationism.

You also think that God is responsible for evolution? Maybe we were created to evolve? Maybe God dropped a tear on the planet and from it sparked life?

[eg420ne]

most creationist cant bend cause they really believe god created earth in 7 days their minds cant grasp the mind of an Intelligent Surpreme Being that may have been around oh lets see a million yrs to create sum Nano-Tech being like us...IDK...just putting it out-there

[palerider7777]

cause if that were true you would/should still see it to this day happening as there would be a half ape half man sum where but no all we see is ape and then man no in between where is it at are u gonna tell me that apes were smarter and we humans are smarter but the middle man was'nt smart enough to make it so they died off leaving only us and the apes ?? damn i thought there were smarter people in the world

[palerider7777]

I can :eek:

yea u can now but, not forever and sad to say it but the last laugh will sadly be on u.

[palerider7777]

most creationist cant bend cause they really believe god created earth in 7 days their minds cant grasp the mind of an Intelligent Surpreme Being that may have been around oh lets see a million yrs to create sum Nano-Tech being like us...IDK...just putting it out-there

i don't believe the earth was created in 7 days

[stinkyattic]

cause if that were true....there would be a half ape half man sum where but no all we see is ape and then man no in between

Sorry to rain on this parade...

Homo rudolfensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rudolfensis)

[palerider7777]

Sorry to rain on this parade...

Homo rudolfensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rudolfensis)

no rain yet lol that proves nothin show me one with sum skin on it and that walks and talks like a human?? all that proves is a skull thats apish in nature nothin more??

[palerider7777]

Once again you seem to assume that evolution happens within an observable time span and think that disproves it. Neanderthal men actually lived side by side with Homo sapiens for a long time but apparently eventually died out through natural selection, though they were hardly ape men. According to evolution, the Homo genus branched off from the great apes and the two developed separately over millions of years, so there isn't going to be a modern ape that's readily distinguishable as being closely related to modern humans but both can be traced back to similar common ancestors. Your question in another thread asking why there isn't frogmen running around just shows your ignorance toward the topic as you clearly haven't done much research on it. Evolution happens in very very small steps, like a million years from now all humans might have less bodily hair or have a slightly taller or shorter average height. Human evolution might not continue much further and make radical changes because we don't need to adapt to the environment as much, humans have tamed the world and learned to adapt it to themselves. Right now inside of everybody microevolution is taking place that might eventually lead to an observable macroevolution.

first off...prove it?? 2nd "like a million years from now all humans might have less bodily hair or have a slightly taller or shorter average height"lmfao do we not have people now that are taller, and sum not, sum more hair, sum not, and thats been that same way for 1000's of years. no ur the dumb ass!!!!! i would really like to meet u no really..show me what that 666 is all about

[ganjapharmersusa]

ITS CALLED ORGANIZED RELIGION AND IT IS A HORIBLE LIE TO THE PEPOLE JUST GOOGLE THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS AND WATCH THE VIDEOS ITS ALL SCIENTIFICLY BASED INFO AND EXTREAMLY INTERESTING TO ANYONE WHO LIKES HAVEING PROOF BE WARNED IF YOUVE BAISED YOUR LIFE AROUND RELIGION THIS COULD BE SHOCKING TO YOU

[GraziLovesMary]

Sorry to rain on this parade...

Homo rudolfensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rudolfensis)

Dont waste your time on him, Stinky. He is a religious troll that does not smoke weed. He is only here to troll.

[GraziLovesMary]

In the creator eyes 1 day be like million yrs to us human beings.......coming from a very religous background, i can safely say i have never been told not to believe in evolution.......why cant evolution and creationist co-exist. have youve seen how many planets exist outside our solar system, theres planets million times larger then our Sun, can you grasp that.....something or somethings or sum beings have to keep this chaos in check...esp in our world,man shouldve wipe each other off long time ago

I just want to say that I would LOVE to see a planet that is a million times larger than the Sun.

A simply lesson in physics: The only reason that cellestial bodies with the huge mass that stars possess are able to keep from collapsing under their own gravity is the nuclear reaction at their core. Once they reach a certain critical amount of fuel where they are not producing enough energy to offset gravity, depending on their size they either shrink to a white dwarf, a neutron star, sometimes they supernova, and other times the gravity takes the mass and collapses it all together to form a singularity, or Black Hole.

Not trying to be rude though, I just kinda chuckled a little.

[Pass That Shit]

its proven what the hell your gonna say i came from a rib are you serious thats not no where close to bein proven wheres the facts and wheres the dinosaurs in ur bible what bout them we found the bones they had to be here and ppl who do believe in the bible just answer me why?

Why don't evolutionists believe in God? :wtf:

[DarkHairedSativa]

its proven what the hell your gonna say i came from a rib are you serious thats not no where close to bein proven wheres the facts and wheres the dinosaurs in ur bible what bout them we found the bones they had to be here and ppl who do believe in the bible just answer me why?

First off is there a reason why you feel you have to be rude? I believe in creation....evolution is a theory....which is NOT proven.A theory is an idea only.Creation has been proven and if you research the rib thing,men have one less than women.Explain that.I have never said nor have I ever heard anyone say that dinosaurs didn't exist obviously they did there are remains EVERYWHERE! They just died out as the Earth and climate changed.ALSO no one said ADAM came from a rib....Eve was created from Adam by the use of his rib.Adam was created from the dust of the Earth.Before you start spouting off at the mouth and go embarrassing yourself misquoting things,do a little research first and actually pick up a Bible (KJV) and read it!!! Then maybe all your questions will be answered without the unreasonable rantings in an uneducated post...

sorry if I seem a little bitchy but you struck a nerve considering I am a believer and I don't walk around belittling or criticising other people.No need to be rude no matter what your take...

[nschell_420]

Science disproves a lot of what is in that book of lies aka the bible.
1.No flood covering the Earth is possible because their is not enough water to cover all of the land up to the highest peaks,their would have to be twice as much water on the Earth to be able to do that.
2.We came from a rib,r u fuckin kiddin me and plus that's some messed up humans with all the incest that would have to happen for the population to be where it is at now.
3.And why the hell is "god"lieing to all of his prophets? The bible contradicts itslef on many occasions,come on Christians what's that about?

I don't doubt that their is a god but to believe in the christian god and the bible is just being dumb.

[stinkyattic]

thats been that same way for 1000's of years.

Nope, not 1000s of years, just a couple hundred that we have been this tall- go to Europe sometime and go in one of the townhouses built in the 1400s and see if you can comfortably walk through all the doorways...
Scientific American: Ask the Experts: Biology: Why are we getting taller as a species? (http://www.sciam.com/askexpert_question.cfm?articleID=000F3D4F-6D25-1C72-9EB7809EC588F2D7&catID=3&topicID=3)

[Hardcore Newbie]

Why don't evolutionists believe in God? :wtf:I'd imagine that some do. And I'd also assume that some religious people believe in evolution.

[LegalizeTheGreen]

as a believer in evolution (sure it's a theory, but it has a hella lot more evidence then creationism) and also a believer in a higher power (aka God), I have a hard time with both sides when they get as hard-core as some of you are getting.

Now most believers in creationism seem to base their views upon the Bible (not all of you, but most), but what boggles my mind is the fact that the Bible was written by men. God didnt fax it down from heaven, it was written by people (and edited by a pagan roman emperor for that matter) and because it that, it should not be assumed to be completly accurate, and should not be used as "proof" of creationism.
The Bible is a nice book that gives very good suggestions for how to live you life, but it cant be all true, because Man is imperfect, and Men wrote the Bible.

Now evolution doesn't contradicts the existence of God in the least. Since we evolved, there cant be a God? Just because the Bible seems to contradict it (and only in the first book) doesnt mean that some of the bible can't be true. Thats like finding a typo in a textbook and assuming the whole book is wrong.

I dunno, maybe it's just my innate dislike of people too blinded by their beliefs to give others a chance, but is it really that hard to believe that God and evolution can go together like peas and carrots?

sorry for my rambling, i hope ya'll can decipher it and find some nugs of importance in it :)

[GraziLovesMary]

First off is there a reason why you feel you have to be rude? I believe in creation....evolution is a theory....which is NOT proven.A theory is an idea only.Creation has been proven and if you research the rib thing,men have one less than women.Explain that.I have never said nor have I ever heard anyone say that dinosaurs didn't exist obviously they did there are remains EVERYWHERE! They just died out as the Earth and climate changed.ALSO no one said ADAM came from a rib....Eve was created from Adam by the use of his rib.Adam was created from the dust of the Earth.Before you start spouting off at the mouth and go embarrassing yourself misquoting things,do a little research first and actually pick up a Bible (KJV) and read it!!! Then maybe all your questions will be answered without the unreasonable rantings in an uneducated post...

sorry if I seem a little bitchy but you struck a nerve considering I am a believer and I don't walk around belittling or criticising other people.No need to be rude no matter what your take...

oh boy... umm... well I guess Ill start off by expressing my curiosity on how creationism has been proven? This is quite startling news to me, and I would love to read up on how it has been proven if you would be so kind as to post a link or two for me :) Also I was a little curious as to why you feel that the King James Version of the bible would be the most accurate? I am guessing it may be due to your Protestant upbringing? Just speculation, I hope I didnt assume wrong! However, that version of the original bible is quite far from being the closest to the original version. But to be fair, the original has been lost to dead languages and cultures, and has been mistranslated many times over the millenia.

Im not trying to pick on you, I think you are a wonderful person, I am just a curious type of person! I like understanding where other people are coming from.

[stinkyattic]

I am reposting something I had to leave as a response in a different thread in this section... with the same characters debating... I've sent a pm to one of you guys re: be nicer...

This should have been a good thread, but it keeps showing up in my reported post box... hmmmm...

From my point of view here you guys have some very strong opinions, and while I see that yes, there is some argumentative personality stuff going on here, so far I'm not going to yell TROLL on anyone.

If I see anyone name-calling though it's going to be a problem.

If you are going to stand on a moral high ground, you can't be calling names either. So can we just get back to a politer discussion?

[Psycho4Bud]

first off...prove it?? 2nd "like a million years from now all humans might have less bodily hair or have a slightly taller or shorter average height"lmfao do we not have people now that are taller, and sum not, sum more hair, sum not, and thats been that same way for 1000's of years. no ur the dumb ass!!!!! i would really like to meet u no really..show me what that 666 is all about

Your a lucky individual that Stinkyattic beat me here. I WARNED ya all in the thread in the sticky.......RESPECT!

Thou shalt not piss on my parade!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[TallCoolOne]

first off...prove it?? 2nd "like a million years from now all humans might have less bodily hair or have a slightly taller or shorter average height"lmfao do we not have people now that are taller, and sum not, sum more hair, sum not, and thats been that same way for 1000's of years. no ur the dumb ass!!!!! i would really like to meet u no really..show me what that 666 is all about

What Would Stephen Colbert Do?

[Hardcore Newbie]

oh boy... umm... well I guess Ill start off by expressing my curiosity on how creationism has been proven? This is quite startling news to me, and I would love to read up on how it has been proven if you would be so kind as to post a link or two for me :) Also I was a little curious as to why you feel that the King James Version of the bible would be the most accurate? I am guessing it may be due to your Protestant upbringing? Just speculation, I hope I didnt assume wrong! However, that version of the original bible is quite far from being the closest to the original version. But to be fair, the original has been lost to dead languages and cultures, and has been mistranslated many times over the millenia.

Im not trying to pick on you, I think you are a wonderful person, I am just a curious type of person! I like understanding where other people are coming from.My nana has the same view on the KJV of the bible. I don't understand it either, I've tried asking her many times as well. Apparently the KJV is "the best translation" while all other translations lose meaning. It doesn't make sense to me, maybe someone else can shed light.

[Spoken Word]

its proven what the hell your gonna say i came from a rib are you serious thats not no where close to bein proven wheres the facts and wheres the dinosaurs in ur bible what bout them we found the bones they had to be here and ppl who do believe in the bible just answer me why?

i think it's because of the faith they have that there's a spiritual explaination. and you know what, better for them.
it brings them peace, it cleanses their soul. and that's positive.

[LegalizeTheGreen]

Religion has many positive aspects, but in this thread I think we can all see the negatives. Blind faith and a refusal to respect others opinions are never good. The reason many people dislike christians seems to be apparent when they not only name call, but insult others for not believing what they believe, and for some reason think that people with open minds are the ignorant ones. Faith is an amazing thing most of the time, but anyone that refuses to listen to the other side of the argument (regarding anything, not just religion) is a poor example of that which they say they represent. Try faith, tempered with a little reason ;)

[stinkyattic]

Religion has many positive aspects, but in this thread I think we can all see the negatives. Blind faith and a refusal to respect others opinions are never good. ..... Try faith, tempered with a little reason

I like that. Faith, reason, respect, and civility.

[Spoken Word]

Religion has many positive aspects, but in this thread I think we can all see the negatives. Blind faith and a refusal to respect others opinions are never good. The reason many people dislike christians seems to be apparent when they not only name call, but insult others for not believing what they believe, and for some reason think that people with open minds are the ignorant ones. Faith is an amazing thing most of the time, but anyone that refuses to listen to the other side of the argument (regarding anything, not just religion) is a poor example of that which they say they represent. Try faith, tempered with a little reason ;)

you're right.

I just don't see the need to criticize someones "ignorance"....if to them, it's "faith".

There's no "truth". We are all humans and we have the ability to think for ourselves.
I was raised catholic and after "confirmation", I went my own way. I still wear the cross but because it's positive energy. Not because I think he died for my sins.

My grandmother is one of the most religous people I know and it's "blind".
But she's ALL positive and bring positivity and for me, that's GREAT.

so not only live and let live but who are we to tell someone they are wrong?

[Psycho4Bud]

The reason many people dislike christians seems to be apparent when they not only name call, but insult others for not believing what they believe, and for some reason think that people with open minds are the ignorant ones.

It works both ways.......there's a "non-believer" member visiting Club Gitmo that would testify to that one.;)

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[slipknotpsycho]

The reason many people dislike christians seems to be apparent when they not only name call, but insult others for not believing what they believe, and for some reason think that people with open minds are the ignorant ones.

very true, but as P4B said, it goes both ways... personally i think people who beleive are kinda stupid for doing so (As i'm sure they think i'm stupid for not believing) but i learned along time ago i'm not going to change their mind... if only they could learn the same.

i have thrown so many errors in their faces about modern christianity, they always seem to wiggle outta of it though, usually with some generic 'answer'.... they're pretty slippery, like a vasaline covered trout.

since then i've decided to stop throwing stuff in their face... i'm just wasting my time anyways, i show them logic they retaliate with 'facts' and 'proof' god is real and blah blah.... now i just state my opinions for the most part, but unless i see something REALLY ignorant (as in something that goes against all modern teaching or it's just so 'out there' it makes me laugh) i'm not gonna debate them anymore on it.

[DarkHairedSativa]

Science disproves a lot of what is in that book of lies aka the bible.
1.No flood covering the Earth is possible because their is not enough water to cover all of the land up to the highest peaks,their would have to be twice as much water on the Earth to be able to do that.
2.We came from a rib,r u fuckin kiddin me and plus that's some messed up humans with all the incest that would have to happen for the population to be where it is at now.
3.And why the hell is "god"lieing to all of his prophets? The bible contradicts itslef on many occasions,come on Christians what's that about?

I don't doubt that their is a god but to believe in the christian god and the bible is just being dumb.

Please quote the contradictions to me....The water came from the sky and under the Earth...."the waters broke forth" Scientists studying the bottom of the ocean floors have proven the caverns are collapsed as if all the water came out and stood still then the pressure caused them to cave in.... which would then allow the water to recede from off the land into what we know today as "oceans"....and again Adam did NOT come from a rib......:hippy:

[slipknotpsycho]

Please quote the contradictions to me....The water came from the sky and under the Earth...."the waters broke forth" Scientists studying the bottom of the ocean floors have proven the caverns are collapsed as if all the water came out and stood still then the pressure caused them to cave in.... which would then allow the water to recede from off the land into what we know today as "oceans"....and again Adam did NOT come from a rib......:hippy:

perfect example of what i was talking about :p

(btw, dark is right, according the bible it was eve who came from adams rib, not adam that came from god's rib...)

[DarkHairedSativa]

Sorry to rain on this parade...

Homo rudolfensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_rudolfensis)

Sorry,don't see how it couldn't have been a midget/dwarf or a deformed person or ape....

There are somewhere close to 100 different types of dwarfs walking around today...who's to say there weren't any then....just like how do the palentologists know what color scales the dinosaurs had or if they even had scales at all?? Now they think the raptor was more bird like with feathers....you never know...

[DarkHairedSativa]

oh boy... umm... well I guess Ill start off by expressing my curiosity on how creationism has been proven? This is quite startling news to me, and I would love to read up on how it has been proven if you would be so kind as to post a link or two for me :) Also I was a little curious as to why you feel that the King James Version of the bible would be the most accurate? I am guessing it may be due to your Protestant upbringing? Just speculation, I hope I didnt assume wrong! However, that version of the original bible is quite far from being the closest to the original version. But to be fair, the original has been lost to dead languages and cultures, and has been mistranslated many times over the millenia.

Im not trying to pick on you, I think you are a wonderful person, I am just a curious type of person! I like understanding where other people are coming from.


I'll find out the name of the author as I can't remember it off the top of my head....but the name of the book is called Starlight and Time....you can google it.It was written by a physicist, not a religious man. I believe that the Bible was written by man under the influence of the Holy Spirit...God is not a liar and he promised to keep his words true for all ages.Sorry, not a protestant...;) I grew up with barely any religion...just a little here and there from neighbors and extended family members here and there,until my Mom married a Catholic man and decided she was Catholic again.(how she was raised)I then got thrown into a Catholic school which I did not want to be in and when I left home at 15,I made a decision to find what I believe.I don't agree with most of the churches these days they are too full of legalities and judgments.Which is NOT what Christianity is all about.I believe the Bible and believe that every person has a choice to make for themselves.I believe Jesus is the son of God and the third part of God.The Trinity being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit.Three parts making a whole...kinda like and egg:shell white and yolk or water liquid,ice and steam....The Lord says come as you are not come with lots of money a mercedes and a 500,000 dollar house in a 3 piece suit.Alot of people are thrown totally away from religion aka Christianity (I do not call myself "religious" I am a "Christian") because alot of the religious people who claim to be Christian are not really.They are putting on a show and just being religious.Christianity is a way of heart not just a way of outward appearance.Unfortunately,most churches not ALL,have come down to appearances and lost the heart.The belief system that matches mine as closely as possible is Independant Fundamental Baptist.I believe the way to heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and asking forgiveness of your sins.Acknowleding Him through prayer.I don't think you need to be in church to do this.I don't believe you ever need to go to church to do this.It's a personal relationship between you and God alone.


Anyhow,So sorry I got off on a tangent....eek! Didn't mean too:o

But look up that book it is really cool!! :jointsmile:

[king of the world]

i'd like to share a quote with ya'll

"never argue with fools because people watching from a distance can't tell who's who"

[slipknotpsycho]

i'd like to share a quote with ya'll

"never argue with fools because people watching from a distance can't tell who's who"

lmao...

[GraziLovesMary]

I'll find out the name of the author as I can't remember it off the top of my head....but the name of the book is called Starlight and Time....you can google it.It was written by a physicist, not a religious man. I believe that the Bible was written by man under the influence of the Holy Spirit...God is not a liar and he promised to keep his words true for all ages.Sorry, not a protestant...;) I grew up with barely any religion...just a little here and there from neighbors and extended family members here and there,until my Mom married a Catholic man and decided she was Catholic again.(how she was raised)I then got thrown into a Catholic school which I did not want to be in and when I left home at 15,I made a decision to find what I believe.I don't agree with most of the churches these days they are too full of legalities and judgments.Which is NOT what Christianity is all about.I believe the Bible and believe that every person has a choice to make for themselves.I believe Jesus is the son of God and the third part of God.The Trinity being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit.Three parts making a whole...kinda like and egg:shell white and yolk or water liquid,ice and steam....The Lord says come as you are not come with lots of money a mercedes and a 500,000 dollar house in a 3 piece suit.Alot of people are thrown totally away from religion aka Christianity (I do not call myself "religious" I am a "Christian") because alot of the religious people who claim to be Christian are not really.They are putting on a show and just being religious.Christianity is a way of heart not just a way of outward appearance.Unfortunately,most churches not ALL,have come down to appearances and lost the heart.The belief system that matches mine as closely as possible is Independant Fundamental Baptist.I believe the way to heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and asking forgiveness of your sins.Acknowleding Him through prayer.I don't think you need to be in church to do this.I don't believe you ever need to go to church to do this.It's a personal relationship between you and God alone.


Anyhow,So sorry I got off on a tangent....eek! Didn't mean too:o

But look up that book it is really cool!! :jointsmile:

Interesting, I shall have to check that book out. I feel it necissary to add that Baptist denominations fall under the "Protestant" sub-faction of Christianity. But only because Im the kind of ass that notices and points those things out :p Yeah I was born and raised Catholic so I am pretty well versed in their beliefs, as well as the differences between all Christian religions.

I guess the biggest difference between my beliefs and Christian ideals would be my view on what "GOD" actually is. But its kind of lengthy and I dont have the time to go into that now. I actually made a topic about it.. I think its called "What is your version of the TRUTH" Many people decided to argue on what truth is, but I just wanted peoples opinions and views on how they think the universe works, its history, and what its comprised of. And, if applicable, their version of a higher power.

[GraziLovesMary]

I just wanted to add, DarkHairedSativa, I see what you meant about insults. But that wasnt an insult, simply a fact that he himself admitted to me openly on another thread.

[eg420ne]

I just want to say that I would LOVE to see a planet that is a million times larger than the Sun.

A simply lesson in physics: The only reason that cellestial bodies with the huge mass that stars possess are able to keep from collapsing under their own gravity is the nuclear reaction at their core. Once they reach a certain critical amount of fuel where they are not producing enough energy to offset gravity, depending on their size they either shrink to a white dwarf, a neutron star, sometimes they supernova, and other times the gravity takes the mass and collapses it all together to form a singularity, or Black Hole.

Not trying to be rude though, I just kinda chuckled a little.
LoL:thumbsup:

[delusionsofNORMALity]

eg -

you've given us a fine batch of stars that are many times larger than sol, but i believe we were waiting for a planet that was a million times larger. i too would love to see it.:rolleyes:

[eg420ne]

I believe Earth is the the only planet to carry Humans....and thats MHO

[nschell_420]

Please quote the contradictions to me....The water came from the sky and under the Earth...."the waters broke forth" Scientists studying the bottom of the ocean floors have proven the caverns are collapsed as if all the water came out and stood still then the pressure caused them to cave in.... which would then allow the water to recede from off the land into what we know today as "oceans"....and again Adam did NOT come from a rib......:hippy:

OK,but their are many so let me know if you want me to continue.

EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
(please say that he changed,please use that as an argument.)

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals, creepy-crawlies
Day 6: Humans
Day 7: Nothing
(their was a morning night and evening before he created the sun,um explain?)

Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
(is it good or bad to be righteous?)

Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
(he had many last words)

if you want more just say so.:rastasmoke:

[LegalizeTheGreen]

well, given the fact that Jesus was an actual person, it isnt surprising that he has been quoted as saying several things, I'm sure that the many translations switched the words up pretty good. I think most christians will agree though that jesus first said the Eli lama stuff, then commended his spirit to god, then died. Also, the vinegar the last one is refering to was (I believe) the roman guards mocking him and refusing to give him water, just vinegar.

I think that all of the jesus quotes are in fact true; he got pissed at god, asked god to take care of his spirit (was given vinegar at some point, it is hard to be sure when) then said "it is done" and died. I believe all of the above happened, and I am pretty sure that most christians accept all of the above as well (it isnt really a stretch, i mean if you wanna split hairs do it with somthing more "magical" then Jesus's last words). If you wish to debate jesus's divinity, go ahead, but it is an actual historical fact that a man named Jesus was crucified by the romans.

as for many of the contradictions, it seems God did a 180 when Jesus showed up, and christians (the real ones) generally believe the new testament version of god's will. After all, the old testament is the jewish book, christians should stick to their book and not dip into other faiths.

Now as for the whole "god made the world for us" idea, I have a slight problem with that seeing as how "Our World" is covered with 2/3 oceans, and god didnt give us gills. I think that perhaps we get a little high and mighty when it comes to us thinking we are special, and perhaps the answer is a little humility. If god only cared about us, he wouldnt have made all the other animals, so we arn't all that special.

Is it really that hard to take a moderate view of things? It seems people are all or none when it comes to religion, when perhaps the answer is a blending of faith and rationality?

sorry for the longish post, its late and I've had a bit to drink :)

[eg420ne]

spirituality forum should have 'Enter at own risk' sign....the post grimlins came last nite, i see....

[stinkyattic]

Sorry,don't see how it couldn't have been a midget/dwarf or a deformed person or ape.....
HAHA well ya got me. I guess I'm gonna have to become a Creationist now... :wtf:

Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.

And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.

[Hardcore Newbie]

well, given the fact that Jesus was an actual person, it isnt surprising that he has been quoted as saying several things, I'm sure that the many translations switched the words up pretty good. I think most christians will agree though that jesus first said the Eli lama stuff, then commended his spirit to god, then died. Also, the vinegar the last one is refering to was (I believe) the roman guards mocking him and refusing to give him water, just vinegar.

I think that all of the jesus quotes are in fact true; he got pissed at god, asked god to take care of his spirit (was given vinegar at some point, it is hard to be sure when) then said "it is done" and died. I believe all of the above happened, and I am pretty sure that most christians accept all of the above as well (it isnt really a stretch, i mean if you wanna split hairs do it with somthing more "magical" then Jesus's last words). If you wish to debate jesus's divinity, go ahead, but it is an actual historical fact that a man named Jesus was crucified by the romans. If in fact all 3 recollections are correct, all 3 people would be very bad story tellers. If 3 people recorded 3 different things happening upon Jesus' death, and the recollections are all correct, that means that each of the men failed to report on 2/3rds of the event. If this is the case, what else did they miss?

Personally, it's hard to believe that all three events happened, when each writer specifically states (paraphrased) "Jesus did _______ and then gave up the ghost".
It doesn't read as "Jesus did ______, and then some other stuff, but Luke and John got my back, so read about what else he said in their chapters. Then he gave up the ghost".

[LegalizeTheGreen]

so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.

[Hardcore Newbie]

so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.I think discussing an idea is a little more open to interpretation than "Jesus said this". Thus, the public is speculating on ideas and reasons, not directly observable absolutes. I highly doubt that Matt, Luke and John were being fed propaganda about Jesus' death, which they were all witness to (from what i remember).

Also, I was saying if indeed they did have different recollections of the event, what else are they individually leaving out in their stories, purposefully or not.

Imagine if there were another story recollecting Jesus' death, we'll call it the book of Ernie. Ernie recalled Jesus' passing as such: "I'm just kidding ya'll, it was fun while it lasted" as he gave everyone *the finger*, and passed on the ghost". It doesn't directly conflict with the other stories, as that may have happened as well. How odd tho that none of the last words recalled from any of the story tellers overlap each other.

[DarkHairedSativa]

I just wanted to add, DarkHairedSativa, I see what you meant about insults. But that wasnt an insult, simply a fact that he himself admitted to me openly on another thread.

Oh I see ....ok sorry then when I can do rep for you again I will...sorry 'bout that. ;)

[LegalizeTheGreen]

isn't it possible that they found different aspects of the same story more important, and thus decided to point out some parts (like Jesus asking god why he had forsaken him in matts case) more so then others (jesus commending his spirit). Also, Matt and Luke I believe have nearly identical accounts. Matt just wrote that jesus yelled, while luke wrote what he yelled.

You also should realize that the extremly short passage given to jesus's actual death (not even a whole page in a very long book) would not include every single detail about his death, simply the details the author found most relavent. Perhaps they simply wrote about what they found most important. It isnt like they were writing a documentary or anything, their stories were collected long after they were dead and turned into the bible, they wern't writting for the bible

Regardless, In the christian faith, it isnt so much about how he died as how he lived. I honestly could care less if he said "fuck ya'll, I'm going to live with my dad", what is important is the example he set while he was alive.

so yea, i think we hijacked this thread enough, lets get back to evolution rofl!
(btw, I am a devout supporter of evolution)

[stinkyattic]

In the christian faith, it isnt so much about how he died as how he lived. I honestly could care less if he said "fuck ya'll, I'm going to live with my dad", what is important is the example he set while he was alive.

I wish this were the case, but much emphasis is placed upon the reincarnation. I think it would be far better to focus on the man as a teacher and stop worrying about which version of his death and rebirth we are going to believe.

But yeah... back to evolution eh!?

[LegalizeTheGreen]

yea, back to evolution! It is a hoax perpetrated by dumb liberals that planted fossils in a devious plot to overthrow the church and bring about a world of anarchy and sex with animals!

If you look close, you can see the "made in china" engraving on them! They are fake!

The world is only 6 thousand years old too!

[palerider7777]

I'll find out the name of the author as I can't remember it off the top of my head....but the name of the book is called Starlight and Time....you can google it.It was written by a physicist, not a religious man. I believe that the Bible was written by man under the influence of the Holy Spirit...God is not a liar and he promised to keep his words true for all ages.Sorry, not a protestant...;) I grew up with barely any religion...just a little here and there from neighbors and extended family members here and there,until my Mom married a Catholic man and decided she was Catholic again.(how she was raised)I then got thrown into a Catholic school which I did not want to be in and when I left home at 15,I made a decision to find what I believe.I don't agree with most of the churches these days they are too full of legalities and judgments.Which is NOT what Christianity is all about.I believe the Bible and believe that every person has a choice to make for themselves.I believe Jesus is the son of God and the third part of God.The Trinity being God the Father,God the Son and God the Holyspirit.Three parts making a whole...kinda like and egg:shell white and yolk or water liquid,ice and steam....The Lord says come as you are not come with lots of money a mercedes and a 500,000 dollar house in a 3 piece suit.Alot of people are thrown totally away from religion aka Christianity (I do not call myself "religious" I am a "Christian") because alot of the religious people who claim to be Christian are not really.They are putting on a show and just being religious.Christianity is a way of heart not just a way of outward appearance.Unfortunately,most churches not ALL,have come down to appearances and lost the heart.The belief system that matches mine as closely as possible is Independant Fundamental Baptist.I believe the way to heaven is through accepting Jesus Christ as your Savior and asking forgiveness of your sins.Acknowleding Him through prayer.I don't think you need to be in church to do this.I don't believe you ever need to go to church to do this.It's a personal relationship between you and God alone.


Anyhow,So sorry I got off on a tangent....eek! Didn't mean too:o

But look up that book it is really cool!! :jointsmile:

my point exactly that is how i believe, but im a troll so...

[palerider7777]

so you find it hard to believe 3 different people had different accounts of exactly what happened? try asking 3 different american why we are in iraq rofl.

if u asked 3 diffrent american's why we were in iraq u would get 10 diffrent answers not just 3 lol

[palerider7777]

Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.

And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.[/

well statistically speaking, u may not have enough statistics on that. as there was alot of deformed kids/people back then, i read books and i think the history channel or one of those t.v shows had a show on tracing down where viking's trade routes were, and went to and they were traced down into asia. and all over the world and they found a main trade route in asia, and found where they had kids that were deformed and they would just leave them to die or sometimes buried them together. and also there's proof of all the plauges that would deform back then so statistically there were more defromed than there are today.

[palerider7777]

I wish this were the case, but much emphasis is placed upon the reincarnation. I think it would be far better to focus on the man as a teacher and stop worrying about which version of his death and rebirth we are going to believe.

But yeah... back to evolution eh!?

what do u mean reincarnation???

[LegalizeTheGreen]

i think he meant resurection

[GraziLovesMary]

eg -

you've given us a fine batch of stars that are many times larger than sol, but i believe we were waiting for a planet that was a million times larger. i too would love to see it.:rolleyes:

hehe I was a little confused as to what he was trying to prove :p

Yes... red giants are much bigger than our sun. However, they are still stars lol

[GraziLovesMary]

I think discussing an idea is a little more open to interpretation than "Jesus said this". Thus, the public is speculating on ideas and reasons, not directly observable absolutes. I highly doubt that Matt, Luke and John were being fed propaganda about Jesus' death, which they were all witness to (from what i remember).

Also, I was saying if indeed they did have different recollections of the event, what else are they individually leaving out in their stories, purposefully or not.

Imagine if there were another story recollecting Jesus' death, we'll call it the book of Ernie. Ernie recalled Jesus' passing as such: "I'm just kidding ya'll, it was fun while it lasted" as he gave everyone *the finger*, and passed on the ghost". It doesn't directly conflict with the other stories, as that may have happened as well. How odd tho that none of the last words recalled from any of the story tellers overlap each other.

hahahahhahahaha... LMFAO youre killin me over here.. hahahha

[palerider7777]

i think he meant resurection

lmao i was gonna say, what!!

[GraziLovesMary]

i think he meant resurection

I feel compelled to mention that Stinkyattic is a female.

[DarkHairedSativa]

HAHA well ya got me. I guess I'm gonna have to become a Creationist now... :wtf:

Statistically speaking, if you find a SINGLE example of a species, the chance that it would be a deformed example is almost infinitely improbable- even MORE, considering that in the wild (whcih also relates to primitive hominids), deformed individuals rarely, if ever, survive to adulthood. And there is no way that was a neonates' skull- it's too large, in a fossil record where there is no evidence of adults of ANY of the hominids being larger than H. erectus, until modern times- your logic is TERRIBLE here.

And I'm not even going to get into the origin of water on Earth... You should revisit some basic texts on geology, climate, and plate tectonics while you're at it.

Well see that's the great thing about being a human being...we have free will which gives us freedom of choice.You may believe however you like as I may believe however I like....I don't call you stupid or try to make you feel stupid or insignificant for what you believe.I simply don't agree with you.I found myself starting to get irritated on this subject in here and that's not what I want.I come on here to have fun and have a little retreat from the stress that is my life...;) So,just so you know I have very much respect for your grow experience and knowledge which is why I told my b/f (marmarkus2006) to ask you questions he has on growing....I go to psteve for answers on legal matters and medical stuff and Cannabis_Campbell just cracks me up! I don't want any ill will with anyone but please don't act as if you are 100% correct and no one else could possibly be right.I'm opting outta this thread...you all have a great debate on the subject....

Again sorry about the misunderstanding GrazilovesMary... That book is an excerpt from a much larger book he wrote on the subject.I really hope you enjoy it and Baptist is not Protestant...;) Protestants came out of the Catholic church and the Church of England....they were protesting,hence their name.Baptist is a movement not a denomination,unless you're speaking of Southern Baptist which I am not....lol I like snakes and all but...c'mon!! :D anyhow,I'll see ya back in "women's issues"....lol:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[stinkyattic]

A working understanding of hard science is important if you intend to become a serious grower.
I feel that in extreme cases, such as this, internalization of complex scientific (specifically biology, genetics, and evolution) concepts and a belief in creationism are mutually exclusive.
I leave my faith at home when I go out and be a geek.

[GraziLovesMary]

Again sorry about the misunderstanding GrazilovesMary... That book is an excerpt from a much larger book he wrote on the subject.I really hope you enjoy it and Baptist is not Protestant...;) Protestants came out of the Catholic church and the Church of England....they were protesting,hence their name.Baptist is a movement not a denomination,unless you're speaking of Southern Baptist which I am not....lol I like snakes and all but...c'mon!! :D anyhow,I'll see ya back in "women's issues"....lol:thumbsup::jointsmile:

hehe aight then.