Yet another Molasses question. Stinky? Anybody?

[elway07]

I have used both "sweet" and molasses and found great results with molasses in regards to added weight etc.

When I use the molasses (1tbs per gallon) I have found a pattern with yellowing of the leaves and pretty quickly. Is this normal with molasses and if so is it harming the photosynthesis aspect? When I use "sweet" alone I am finding lesser results but the plants hold a nice deep green color.
:rastasmoke:Obviously, the end result of bigger heavier buds is what I am after, but I just want to make sure that I am going at this the right way or if the yellowing is abnormal.
Thanks in advance.
Elway

[horror business]

Well the leaves naturally yellow towards the end of the plants life cycle.

[keeko]

molasses should not cause yellowing leaves.

[slownickel]

What you are doing by adding molasses is adding sugars or carbohydrates if you want to use the agronomic term.... however, molasses overall, is not really that sweet. That is why you have the sweetened molasses! I would strongly suggest instead of molasses to add Karo syrup or even stir sugar into hot water instead.

The yellowing is most likely due to the excess of potassium that is in the molasses. It is loaded with potassium. If you don't have your magnesium and calcium correct, it is easy to go to far with potassium (in this case molasses).

It is natural to have the leaves turn and discolor, but try to watch and see why.... is there interveinal yellowing on the old leaves (magnesium deficiency)....

[elway07]

Thanks guys,
I had just noticed that my plant would stay nice and green until it was time to introduce molasses. I know it turns yellow at the end of it's life cycle, but I am talking about a day or so after I introduce molasses. I bet it probably is the excess of potasium. that makes sense. if that is the case, will it hurt the plants bud production at all?

[stinkyattic]

Also see if the molasses you are using is 'unsulfured'.
I am not sure about the yellowing. I haven't seen that problem.
Yellowing is usually associated with N deficiency- I am almost wondering whether the added carbon is making your plants grow a little faster than normal, making them consume N faster, or if you need to add a bit more to the soil.
I can't help much with this problem- Maybe rhizome will stop by and give a hint.

[elway07]

thanks Stinky. yes it is unsulphered as I had read from you before I ever started using it. I guess if I can't figure it out, I will just continue as I have seeing that the final product has never left me unsatisfied. far from it actually. I have added garden lime as I always do to the soil for a mag cal buffer and it always seems to work.
I will be adding molasses to one of my plants today seeing she is a month in flowering. I have been using sweet on her with no yellowing thus far. I guess I will see after today if the problem continues. I will take before and after photos and post the before photos today and then keep everyone posted so maybe we can get to the bottom of this...

[elway07]

also if it is a N def.. how can I correct that? I use Fox farms nutes. the grow nutes are 6-4-4 and my flower nutes are 2-8-4 I always wait a week or so into the 12/12 cycle to introduce the flower nutes. Is it possible to add a bit of grow nutes with the flower to give it more N or is there a better way? I don't want to overload on other elements.... Thanks guys

[rhizome]

try an experiment- foliar feed one or two leaves w/ the FFGB @ 1/4 strength- see if the yellowing recedes in 24 hours.

Wondering about increased microbial activity releasing a whole shitload of NH4 sans nitrosonomas - crashing N cycle?

Or, as Stinky pointed out, you could simply be growing quicker than N is becoming available.

Pics of the deficiency would be great, as there are a bunch of reasons for yellowing, w/ N def being only the most common. I also find myself wondering about Fe, Mb...

P overload is a strong contender- you might want to run the veg nute a little longer. I stick w/ veg nutes for the first 14 days of flower.

[elway07]

rhizome...
Thanks. I will also try keeping GB longer before introducing flower nutes in the future. I actually have a few that I just placed in flower about a week and a half ago and on this latest watering I had introduced the flower nutes. That did seem to cause a bit of yellowing on those. On my big girl she received the same treatment with no yellowing. [I] am also running 8 cfl's on the big girl needing my HPS for the others.. I will water with the molasses today and take the photos. If yellowing does occur, I will try foliar feeding as you suggested to see if your theory is correct. I will post some shots today and see if maybe you can help... Thanks so much for your response..

[elway07]

well here is a couple of "Before" pics that I took before I watered and fed it with molasses... this way if it does in fact begin to yellow you will hopefully be able to help me figure out why exactly..

[elway07]

By the way, is there a specific brand of unsulphered molasses preferred over others?

[stinkyattic]

What a nice looking plant! I think it looks healthy. BUt SERIOUSLY pot bound. Put it in a bigger pot with good soil and you will have an easier time correcting any problems.
Those lower yellow leaves are normal. They don't get much light and will eventually die off on their own. No worries there.
Any brand is fine, Grandma's is easy to find.

[elway07]

Yeah I use grandmas. Good then I have a good product. Thanks for the compliments. It will be so hard to repot at this stage. Yeah the lower leaves I wasn't worried about and just snipped them off. That was just a before picture.... because as I said earlier when I add molasses it begins to yellow. I usually use 5 gallon buckets for a plant that size. Needless to say it grew much larger than the normal 3 times when I put it into flower.
Right now it's in about a 2 gallon potter. Still way too small?

[elway07]

oh and far as my soil goes... I mix my own so that I have a great mix of everything it needs, drains well yet still hangs on to some moisture. It always works great. I had to learn the hard way over a year ago about soil when I first started. ;-)

[elway07]

My girl is starting to yellow as I feared a bit. Not as much as last time, but again I didn't introduce the full dose of molasses right away. I am easing her in this time. I will get pics and post them later today when her lights come back on... Hopefully it won't be worse than last night. I am also having a general yellowing issue with my other plants. I am thinking an N def. I will post those as well and you guys can help me.
thanks,
Elway

[psteve]

I just bought a 5 gallon bucket of molasses at the feed store for $18.00 :D:D:D

[elway07]

Wow! That's waaayyy cheap. I may just have to check out my local feed stores! Thanks

[stinkyattic]

You are really limiting your potential with that tiny pot.
That looks like a 3 foot bush, and shoudl be in MINIMUM a 3-5 gallon pail. Maybe peesteve will give you the one from his molasses when he runs out :D

[psteve]

Maybe psteve will give you the one from his molasses when he runs out :DLets see...
I use about a pint per week, minus the 4 weeks I'll be in Holland, and a couple weeks to get things going, so that bucket will be available approximately the first of next February.
Remind me around the first of the year!:D

[elway07]

Stinky, I actually have a few 5 gallon buckets and I will be re-potting probably tomorrow. I was waiting till the soil has dried a bit before I attempt a re-pot. It's in a 2 gallon pot right now and actually did not expect it to grow this big at all. It has amazed me.. truly. It was my mother plant and had been cut and recut and recut for clones... I finally stuck it in flower just to see what it would do, and it just shot up amazingly! I agree with and am taking your advice on re-potting. It is just more difficult when it has become a tree like this. I should have realized and done it earlier...
I have taken some more pics but I think with the HPS on it may look real yellow but I will see and post them soon..

[elway07]

I am very happy to report that there is no uncontrollable yellowing in my big girl as I had experienced before. Maybe it was due to the fact that I slowly introduced the mollasses this time. Maybe I was having soil/nute issues that I was unaware of last time.
Stinky- I did in fact transplant her into one of my 5 gallon buckets and she is very very happy. I will post pics again soon.
on another note, I was having issues with yellowing on my SOG and took stinky's and someone elses advice of N def and the possibility they were in fact growing quicker than the rate of Nute uptake, So I began to give them more flower nutes in general and It has seemed to cure the yellowing completely! THANK YOU SO MUCH GUYS!
I will be posting pics soon!
Elway

[stinkyattic]

It's so great that your plants are cheering up!

[elway07]

Thanks stinky! They certainly are. "The Queen" (my big girl) amazes me daily! I cannot believe her size and yield already. She still has 1 month to go!! I do have updated pics that I took when I watered and fed her yesterday . I will post them probably tomorrow.
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[elway07]

ok guys here are the updates and photos as promised! The first pics are of my queen (6 main colas) and she is thriving with the added nutes. No yellowing other than normal yellowing with age. The other pics are of 6 of my 8 babies. They were yellowing as well, but the added nutes for more N they are extremely happy.
On my queen she is supposed to have 3 weeks left, but it's weird she is showing sign of reaching maturity much sooner. This strain (grapefruit) is an 8-9 week flower cycle.
Anyway, enjoy the pics

[elway07]

Stinky,
where are you? LOL I know that you like myself, loves pictures so....there they be!

[FireTheft]

amazing pics! they look great.......how is the molasses workign out for you?

can't wait to see the final end!

[elway07]

It's working great. I had to figure out finally that when using molasses or another carb loader that they need more of the tiger bloom for the extra nitrogen. LOL they are no longer yellowing at all. the leaves are so green they almost look blue and greasy looking. If that makes sense. I am so amazed. My "queen" is the best plant that I have grown. Not the biggest but absolutely the highest yielding. I will be posting more pics as they go along!
thanks for taking interest in my post!

[elway07]

here are some updates photos. I took it out to flush it today because it started to burn. Apparently I screwed something up on her last feeding. Damn! So know that I know she looks a bit sick in the leaves, but I did flush her already. I took some pics of her and was amazed at how much she is growing and how quickly she is growing it. She is about done in a couple of weeks supposedly, but her trichs show about a week earlier. ( estimated guess)
I just wanted to show you guys and see what your response is to this...
oh yeah she is about 4 feet and some inches

[stinkyattic]

That is SICK.
VERY VERY nice work.

[the image reaper]

if that was my plant, I'd smoke it ... :bigsmoke:

[jamstigator]

All this molasses discussion prompted me to order some, should be here later in the week. I hope it works. One set of plants is at 26 days flower, the other at 46. I figure worst case, I won't be able to notice any difference. Best case, who knows. I'm rollin' those dice!

[elway07]

yeah, it doesn't hurt what so ever! I can tell you that the difference between my buds before I started using molasses and after I started using it is like night and day. I will never ever NOT use it again. It should be part of the norm schedule of growing. (IMHO) I wish that I knew or had read about it sooner. I actually got the idea from reading Stinky's post. She knows her shit.
Stinky- Thanks a lot.. It is sick! I am amazed but enjoying watching it grow by the hour it seems. I Also will never grow again without topping.- then topping again. The Veg stage on her took awhile, but was well worth it in the end. She was soooo healthy from the get go. I burned her a bit last feeding screwing something up but that is the first time in awhile on any plant and her first bit of pain.
Thanks guys, I will be updating with more pics etc until the final product so let's stay tuned because I am just as curious as all of you what she will yield.
I am keeping a close eye on her trichomes because after growing for awhile, I listen to my plants and she is showing signs of being closer to chop time than her original schedule. We will see though.
Until later,
Elway

[twoguysupnorth]

mollases never hurt me either. as far as yeild?? idk but sweet smelling and tasting? the answer is yes. i can taste a little diff in the cured buds compaired to not using them but the diff is my first ones were outdoors and the new ones(w/mollases) indoors. i think i will cut them off at the last fertilization a week before they are harvested.

[elway07]

It has increased my yield quite a bit actually. It has increased my weight with stickier, denser buds. If I could show you the difference, I think you would be as shocked as I was. To me, in my situation, it was a BIG difference.
I wouldn't recommend trying it, as I have never grown outdoors, but the difference indoors with and without it is great IMHO anyway.
I actually use "sweet" and molasses together for my flowering regimen. It seems to work for me. well.
good luck and stay posted. I will be giving an update later today with photos as well.

[elway07]

Hey guys it's funny that I just found out that the method of "topping" I did on her, (my little experiment) has already been named. FIM'ing!! I just thought it was normal topping? How funny. Well as you can see by her 6 colas and tons of branch growth, that it works!
I never knew what the term meant until someone just asked on another post.
I feel uninformed and dumb now! J/K
hahaha

[stinkyattic]

I actually use "sweet" and molasses together for my flowering regimen. It seems to work for me. well..
Me too. You get WAY more bang for your buck by combining the two.

[elway07]

I agree!! alrighty! Stinky, How do you use the two together in your regimen?

[RetiredFF]

Elway, At one point in the flowering process do you begin adding the molasses? For the life of me I didn't know that plants would metabolize the carbohydrates. I'm glad you are enjoying watching her mature. From the looks of it, you have a comfortable seat from which to watch with the added benefit of doing two things at once!!!

[elway07]

From the looks of it, you have a comfortable seat from which to watch with the added benefit of doing two things at once!!!

FF- hmmm not quite sure I am getting you here..

As far as your question..I usually begin to add my carb boosters "sweet" or molasses or both the first day of 12/12 that I feed/water them. Some people begin using it from the beginning of a nute schedule in the veg stage. I know that my hydro store guy does. I don't though. I just wait until flowering. As you can see with no adverse effects on yield.

good luck,
Elway

[1stimegrower]

Lookin good elway! Still wondering if you are a colorado grower like me??
And i know they look like shit compared to yours but i think its a female (not Sure)
No one that really knows their shit will tell me! maybe you can tell me????

[RetiredFF]

The reference to your "comfortable seat" and "being able to do two things at once" was directed at the toilet in the picture. Hence: watch your plants grow and shit at the same time! OK, I admit, a little arcane!

[elway07]

No I am not a Colorado grower.. I used to live in Telluride though when I was young and it was still a hippie town. It's turning into another Aspen though which sucks.
Ahhh I get it now- the whole seat thing!! I wasn't quite sure and I usually get things like that. Duh Well , probably because they do not grow in the bathroom, I just water/ flushed her in the tub, so I was thinking about where I do in fact watch them grow...
Your plant looks good but it seems to be a little yellow which is more than likely an N deficiency maybe you should up the amount of nutes you are giving them JUST A LITTLE or add a bit of bat guano. I would try giving them a bit more nutes first. Those leaves should be a lush shade of dark green. Maybe it's the picture. Well, I guess you can tell me... Are they really kinda yellow or is it the pic?
Other than that though they look good.
On the picture about the female, I actually commented on it in your post... Look closer.
If you can't find it , let me know.
Elway
Also to all those following my post.. I did another trich test today, and they are not ready yet. They are till blooming those last bit of flowers before they are done. (a lot of last bit too I can tell ya) It's hard to get in and take decent photos where she is growing. especially with the other HPS lighting in there. I am sure I could do it, by turning off the lights for a minute or two and moving some stuff around, but I thought it to be more of a pain in the butt and I was being lazy. Soon though.. soon

[elway07]

FF-
Here I found my first response when you were inder a different handle of 1sttimegrower
Here is what I said:

ist time- Those were probably "hatch green chilies. That are native gold to New Mexicans. I absolutely love them and for some reason don't seem to grow well if at all anywhere else. I found some that were shipped to my state at the grocery store the other day and was extremely happy about it! anyway off on a tangent there sorry.
Anyway about your plant... I am not sure yet if it is a female or male, so don't get too excited. The male balls actually do not grow on the ends of those two flaps found at each node, they grow beside or behind it in the same place you will find a female flower grow. It will be one or the other. The other thing in your photo of question MAY be a female flower. It is too blurry for me to see but if you look around to see what a female pre-flower looks like you will have something to compare it to. If it is a little sack with a single or double white hair emerging from it that is a good sign. Do keep your eyes peeled at all of your nodes to make sure you don't have both sexes ( hermaphrodite) growing
keep us posted with more photos and we will be able to tell you for sure! Good luck and I hope you have a baby girl.
Elway
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[stinkyattic]

I LOOSELY follow the sweet instructions (= use the conc. on the bottle approximately whenever I remember to, lol) with the addition of molasses at a rate of about a glob a gallon.

[the image reaper]

I LOOSELY follow the sweet instructions (= use the conc. on the bottle approximately whenever I remember to, lol) with the addition of molasses at a rate of about a glob a gallon.

I use anywhere from a glob, to a glop, myself (per gallon, or bucket, or whatever) :S2:

[stinkyattic]

lol reaper
oh- *pinch* :D

[elway07]

yup me too. I was just curious.:D

[elway07]

Hey guys... I have updates. No pics of the plant though... I will take a few later. I took a couple of buds for a sample a few days ago and just checked on em. I would say they are coming along nicely:thumbsup: here are a few pics with the hps on and off with a flash from my camera. Just thought I would get your comments on it... I checked the trich's again today and I am still seeing way too many clear ones. Some cloudy, some clear with maybe an amber one here and there...
Anyway here are the buds. Enjoy!

[snowblind]

can u put molasses into a bubler reserviour type grow ?

[elway07]

I am sure that you can, but I have never grown that way. Stinky, when she comes back around will be able to answer that better for you. I know that I have put molasses into a drip hydro reserviour (sp?) and it was fine. You just have to make sure that you pre-mix it in gallon jugs and shake vigorously so that you will not have a sticky build up in the bottom of your tank. It has to be dissolved first.
Good luck,
elway

[psteve]

You just have to make sure that you pre-mix it in gallon jugs and shake vigorously so that you will not have a sticky build up in the bottom of your tank.
I use a canoe paddle to mix it right in the res.

[elway07]

Psteve... yeah.. whatever gets the job done eh? I guess I was thinking about a smaller res. Maybe you can help out snowblind more with his questions. I have never grown with that sort of system.. thanks!:thumbsup:

[elway07]

FF where' ya go m8?

[blink_inc]

Does just plain old cooking molasses work fine?
I looked around and found nothing that said unsulfered mollases.

[stinkyattic]

Look closely at the label, the unsulfured bit is sometimes hard to see.

I use a canoe paddle to mix my soil, haha!

[RetiredFF]

Elway, I found my way back! The pictures of the plants, and the buds in particular, are very impressive. It gives me soething to shoot for. I'm convinced now that I will add the molasses to my feeding regimen. All in all, I'm envious! BTW r u on the left coast?

[snowblind]

cheers guys, u rock

[elway07]

Snowblind- Thanks much! Cheers 2 you!
FF Thanks I am glad you enjoyed those pics! I sure did. They were finally dry this am!!:stoned: No I do not live in Cali.
MMMMM MMMM MMMMMM WOW double WOW
Blink- the easiest to find is "grandmas" it is unsulphered molasses and can be found at any grocery store. They will have molasses in larger containers at your local hydro store but I will warn you that it will be more expensive than just getting at the grocery store.
good luck.
I will post another update later today when I check the girls again... Can't wait... This long wait is killing me!
Elway

[RetiredFF]

Elway, we're all salivating!

[elway07]

yeah, If it is THAT good when it was picked probably about 8-9 days before it's ready.. I can't wait until it's done! Holy moley! This little girl of mine is the best plant and bud I have ever grown. Not bragging or anything but I normally do grow bud that knocks the socks off my friends, but this takes the cake.. Great genes in that plant! I have 9 of her clones in the process as well! Yippe!!

[elway07]

oh yeah FF, YOUR envious?? Shit I would LOVE to have a greenhouse filled with the plants you have! My goodness the amount of bud you will have and now that you are a member of this community where you can get all the help you will ever need, you are in for an amazing treat! Trust me, If I could beam myself over there to lend a hand and watch that transformation... I would in a heartbeat. That is going to be fun for you and fun for me to help and see the progress. I am excited about your Women (mine are little girls compared) and where they are headed. Just remember to get out a ladder and check everywhere to make sure you have no balls. That would suck to catch it late and have hermies! Post soon

[RetiredFF]

Fuck, I'm stoned!

[psteve]

Blink- the easiest to find is "grandmas" it is unsulphered molasses and can be found at any grocery store. They will have molasses in larger containers at your local hydro store but I will warn you that it will be more expensive than just getting at the grocery store.
Again, the cheapest I've found is at the feed store. 5 gallons for $18. If there's no feed store near you, try a food co-op. They usually have it in bulk for cheaper than the regular stores. :pimp:

[elway07]

Again, the cheapest I've found is at the feed store. 5 gallons for $18. If there's no feed store near you, try a food co-op. They usually have it in bulk for cheaper than the regular stores. :pimp:

Yeah PS I was thinking about you when I was writing that post but forgot who it was that told me and was too stoned to try and find it again.... or was it on my thread? --oops
Yeah, What he said... try the feed store or a co-op. That is where I will be looking when I run out of the ol' grandma's.. GOOD CATCH PS

[Delta9Haze420]

Fuck, I'm stoned!

Agreed

[psteve]

Fuck, I'm stoned!Good for you!

[jamstigator]

Welp, some Black Strap unsulphured molasses arrived yesterday, so gave em their first dose last night. Might not have much effect for me, as one set of plants only has 10 days left (not that that's a *bad* thing!), and the other set only has 30 days left. But I figure it won't hurt any, at worst.

[elway07]

JAMS_well I can tell you that it can't hurt the ones soon to be finished and it will make a change in the ones with a month remaining! Good for you:thumbsup: Keep us posted on what you see!

[elway07]

well I harvested some of my big girl today... Just the done bottom branches. I am still waiting... probably a couple more days until the rest is done... hmmmm

[cture]

I actually use "sweet" and molasses together for my flowering regimen. It seems to work for me.today with photos as well.
elway07 could you tell me what the sweet is?
Could you guys explain how the molasses acts on plants is the food for bacteria in soil or molasses also feeds the plant?

[elway07]

Ok guys final weigh in on my queen!! Just a tad bit under 3 and 3/4 ounces!!! HOLY SHIT for a four foot plant I think that is pretty good!?? yea ney
anyway Cture "sweet" is a carb booster made specifically for plants. Molasses is the sam but a bit different. It does help the plant directly by feeding it sugar which helps it to grow fast and bigger. I am sure that Stinky can help you out a bit more than I can on exactly how it works. I am a bit tired and not really finding the way to explain at the moment. Sorry.
Elway

[stinkyattic]

Sweet= carb synthesizer supplement= helps plants USE available carbon to make sugars, resins, etc.
Molasses= cheap, simple, safe source of available carbon in the form of simple sugars for your darlin' plants.
This is why in tandem they are a killer combo.

[elway07]

thanks Stinky! What do you think on that yield? good fair decent? I usually grow smaller plants in higher quantity...

[RetiredFF]

Elway, that's "wet" weight, right?

[elway07]

no actually it was finished drying today.. then I weighed it...
I FIM'ed it and it had 6 main colas... I took pictures I will load some tomorrow.

[stinkyattic]

A near QP dry off a single indoor plant is a VERY respectable yield. And that one was a beauty too. Pat yourself on the back!!!

[RetiredFF]

Wow, that stuff dried rapidly. Mine takes at least 10 days before it's ready for cure.

[elway07]

10 days???? damn! It must be a bit humid where you dry yours!
Stinky--- Thanks! It is AMMazzzzing to me as well.

[elway07]

:thumbsup::):hippy::jointsmile::D:stoned:

[elway07]

Hey stinky (well all of you as well) just out of curiosity, do you guys feed everytime you water or is it more of a feed- feed -feed -only water-feed and so on? I was just reading some different things on here and was wondering what if any were the recommendations on that. Thanks guys

[stinkyattic]

Elway you are exactly right feed- feed- feed- water- feed sort of thing.

[blink_inc]

any harmful effects if feed, feed, feed, feed etc.
would there be warning signs of too many much carbs?

[stinkyattic]

no reason not to feed all the time if you do not see signs of scorch. I like the plain water every so often to do a mini flush in case anything is getting close to tox levels.
Carb overload, I do not know what the symptoms would be, or if it is even possible.

[elway07]

I had actually been feeding 100% of the time until this last time because I had been reading that giving it a break was a good idea. Well, I just watered this last time and it caused issues. A lot of yellowing real quick. I guess because it was used to the nutes and carbs for so long. I should have just stuck with my original plan. The only drawback of always feeding though is that my leaves stayed pretty green all the way through instead of the normal yellowing so it became more of a cloraphyl (sp?) issue in the last stages.

[1stimegrower]

looking great elway#7 woohoo go broncos! the queen looks
lovely i bet shell harvest well! Congrats bro!!

[elway07]

ist time... Shea harvested great. Nearly a QP dry!

[GoldenGoblin]

any harmful effects if feed, feed, feed, feed etc.
would there be warning signs of too many much carbs?

I would think the bacteria growing would be a sign of that
;)

[elway07]

well guys my other girls ( the clone from my previous harvest are nearing the end as well. We had a bit of a problem with one going "nanners" on me. It was taken care of and we shall be well on our way. I think that I may be flushing tomorrow but continuing on with the Sweet and molasses in my flush water. I think they may have 3 weeks to go at the most on my calendar, but I think it actually is going to finish a lot earlier. It's weird how that happens with some plants of the same strain. They just peak and finish earlier than the normal time. Hmmmm...
I am curious. Would using the sweet and molasses from day one of flowering hold a factor in harvest times?? Stinky??

[stinkyattic]

Presence of a carb supplement should not affect flower time. The only way to shorten it is crank up the temps and CO2. But that is only a slight shortening and you need to know what you're doing.

[elway07]

Ahh, I was just curious. I have increased the CO2 supply a bit but it looks as these will be finishing about a week or a week and a half earlier than normal. I have had some of the plants of this strain do that. Some took longer than 8-9 weeks and some shorter.

[kancha]

Awesome grow, elway07! I want to give molasses a try on my next feed but before I do, I just want to know by adding it to my nute mix will it effect the ppm and ph?

[PharmaCan]

Awesome grow, elway07! I want to give molasses a try on my next feed but before I do, I just want to know by adding it to my nute mix will it effect the ppm and ph?

Yes.

PC:smokin:

[FireTheft]

quick question elway....

what was your nute/molasses schedule? on the days you used molasses did you use nutes as well? and do you start using molasses at the very beginning of flowering?

[Forwhat420]

is fox farms grow big & tiger bloom all you use along with the molasses?

[Aspire420]

Honestly I think it is best to start backing off the nitrogen slowly towards your flowering stage and introduce the phosphorus slowly but surely. When you switch to 12/12 that way the plant has buffered up and has phosphorus stored to make flowers. A little nitrogen is good but the plant already has that stored as well so the N should stay relatively low unless you want the plant to grow more but a lot of N can burn out the leaves too. I think that is what is burning out your leaves. The potassium should stay the same throughout the whole plant's life stage so if you introduced molasses from the beginning it would buffer up to it with no problems. It should be used sparingly throughout and with another element that boosts production or thrive too and helps the soil digest the molasses. I like kelp meal and I think a little humic acid might help even out the molasses.

[live2440]

So can I mix the molasses in the same gallon as my liquid nutes or do i need to have to separate gallons?

[chinacat443]

Well the leaves naturally yellow towards the end of the plants life cycle.


truth.
i can vouch that the mollasses is NOT doing any harm to your plants.
i use 2 tablespoons per gallon from the onset of nute addition.
that means from the first time i give nutes, untill the chop i NEVER miss with the molasses. occasionally, when its a plain water day, i may only use 2 teaspoons as opposed to 2 tablespoons.
ive never seen any detrimental (sp) effects. (indoors. outdoors, i have noticed and increased propensity for insects and what not........but thats part of the outdoor game)

what i wanna know is, is there a way to break the mollasas down to a simpler sugar form so that the plans can use it muchmore readily?
ie: amylase in your mouth. if you chew a cracker for a bit, it gets sweet. the amylase breaks the carbs down to simple sugars (see glucose) and your body can very easily and readliy transport and absprb it. i would assume plants operate the same way (minus the amylase of course)

i guess if i spit in a cup for a bit, mixed it with the molasses before mixing it with water it could break it down a bit. but who knows if there is anything in saliva that could potentially harm the plants......

[NaughtyDreadz]

fuck man... I've been meaning to go and buy molasses.. I've just keep putting it off...
it is awesome... molasses is one of the steroids i'm loving it...