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dejayou30

08-01-2007, 12:22 AM

They are still playing this card?

1 joint equals up to 5 cigarettes - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070731/ap_on_he_me/pot_vs_cigarettes;_ylt=An_E.Qc65W46Uz74z_g8IbLVJRI F)

What is up with the Brits? First the study saying marijuana causes psychosis, now this!

What do you guys think of this? I just honestly can't believe it. I've been smoking every day for a good 2-3 years and haven't done much exercise in those times other than lifting weights. The past couple of days I started doing some cardio because I am trying to cut weight, and I didn't notice any real problems other than just being out of shape. I just don't buy it.

bluntblaze

08-01-2007, 12:31 AM

whats funny is the fact that nobody's died from smoking weed .. cigs on the other hand....

Spoken Word

08-01-2007, 12:44 AM

^that and if you've ever smoked a cig, you know how nasty it is..
I was just gagging at second hand smoke. lol
i don't think anyones ever gagged from the smoke of weed.

420marijuana420

08-01-2007, 12:48 AM

above the influence told me it was 4. All this time they've been lying to me :jawdropper:

cannabis campbell

08-01-2007, 01:14 AM

Lol thats what people say about cigars..

pixel

08-01-2007, 01:22 AM

This article kinda supports cannabis too though.. and it says that it obstructs air flow, not gives you cancer like cigs... of course youre going to have tarred up lungs, youre SMOKIN something.. it's not a wonder drug ppl it has its positive and negative effects

420marijuana420

08-01-2007, 01:24 AM

but you don't inhale cigar smoke, at least most don't

snowblind

08-01-2007, 01:46 AM

its relative. if you smoke a 3 skin that has 3 roaches and looks like a carrot then its probably right. smoking a bowl is probably not. cannabis smoke is alot higher than cigarette smoke though, so it could be in relative damage to your lungs

bluntblaze

08-01-2007, 03:34 AM

^that and if you've ever smoked a cig, you know how nasty it is..
I was just gagging at second hand smoke. lol
i don't think anyones ever gagged from the smoke of weed.

i smoke cigs but also hate second hand smoke... weird huh.

they say smoking weed is bad but never point out the good.. what about eating weed. that'll keep the lungs nice and healthy.

rebgirl420

08-01-2007, 03:39 AM

Ick cigs

Reefer Rogue

08-01-2007, 08:25 AM

Cigs cause lung cancer, cannabis doesn't, cigs kill hundreds of thousands of people a year, cannabis doesn't. Cigs are legal, cannabis isn't.

TokinSurfer

08-01-2007, 08:47 AM

i read that buds have less tar but leaf has 5 times as much, anyway else read this?

zino11

08-01-2007, 08:56 AM

well if we just eat it and get high then wheres the debate it kills ur stomach lol i like weed cookies any way

dean0000

08-01-2007, 09:22 AM

LIP

08-01-2007, 10:14 AM

I've heard all differnt versions of this bullshit, once it was 1 joint was = to 17 cigs, then 10 and now 5. They just keep changing, BUT, at least they're all going down and down. It's still bullshit though, and i dont belive it at all.

The reason our Government are trying so hard is becuase more and more people are smoking weed in the UK and it's going up at a great rate., Well, great for us, not for the Goverment. They're loosing the war and they're just trying to scare people. Childish bullshit really, they dont win so they try and scare people away from it.

One day soon there will be so many smokers and so much weed that they give up. They CANT arrest us all, especially with the way prisons are going. I'm not kidding, i could go out and start dealing on the street, OUTSIDE a police station, get caugh and the chances of me going to prison are so low i wouldnt even be worried about it. I'm more likely to get a fine and told off - and that's all because we have no space in our prisons, - because people who smoke plant matter get arrested and put there.

LIP

08-01-2007, 10:15 AM

I heard this rumour years ago. I know people always say smoking weed cant cause cancer but I disagree. It makes me wonder how people can think tar from cigs is a carcinogen but not tar from weed. Any over exposure to tar can turn skin cells cancerous.

Anyway I dont beleive that cannabis has 5 times as much tar as cigs.

THC kills cancerous cells, and controls cell division. It also allows healthy cells to stay alive longer, and new cells to grow.

That's why even if the smoke IS bad, the THC cancels it all out. Hense why no one has ever died from cannabis, or got cancer from it.

snowblind

08-01-2007, 10:38 AM

bob marley died from a cancerous brain tumor.

Acouwaila

08-01-2007, 10:40 AM

I love how when they find out new things through studies they are so quick to publish when it comes to marijuana...

It just shows that they have little to no argument supporting the opposition...

Now its just..." uhhh it makes you lazy........O WAIT o wait O WAIT!!....also..also...also....! One joint is equal to five cigs.....wait...fuck.....oh well PUBLISH IT!"

Acouwaila

08-01-2007, 10:40 AM

bob marley died from a cancerous brain tumor.

bob marley smoked spliffs

zino11

08-01-2007, 10:46 AM

THC kills cancerous cells, and controls cell division. It also allows healthy cells to stay alive longer, and new cells to grow.

That's why even if the smoke IS bad, the THC cancels it all out. Hense why no one has ever died from cannabis, or got cancer from it.

Cannibis kills cancerous cells? Really i just thought it helped with the nausia from Chemo, thats why cancer patient use it.Well at least I thought

BUZz UK

08-01-2007, 10:52 AM

THC kills cancerous cells, and controls cell division.

lip, do you have a link for more info on that? i'd really like to look into it m8...

Nation_1ne

08-01-2007, 11:56 AM

Now its just..." uhhh it makes you lazy........O WAIT o wait O WAIT!!....also..also...also....! One joint is equal to five cigs.....wait...fuck.....oh well PUBLISH IT!"

Lmao, nice banter! Certainly made me laugh thinking about it.

cobracommander1079

08-01-2007, 12:24 PM

TokinSurfer

08-01-2007, 12:39 PM

yeah one joint thats has 1.5 grams in it:wtf:

SMOKEnCHOKE

08-01-2007, 01:27 PM

CNN just reported the "5 cigs= 1joint study" this morning. I'm curious to see how much media coverage this 1 study gets,as opposed to how litte coverage, the numerous studies that show the beneficial effects of marijuana receive. Im also waiting for the results of the study showing the relationship between marijuana usage and run-on sentences.

Of course there not going to tell the benefical effects of cannabis why make people think it's ok when it's the devil! I mean do you really think the goverment would lie?

Nightcrewman

08-01-2007, 01:31 PM

Just another load of unbelievable shit spouted by another government committee paid for by taxpayers.

The dictionary describes the anus (from Latin ānus "ring, anus") as the external opening of the rectum.

It really should be a definition of the British government due to the amount of shit that comes from it.

However if you did not vote against the present bunch of anuses at the last election you really cant complain

Cheers

NCM

dean0000

08-01-2007, 01:33 PM

Grade A

08-01-2007, 10:39 PM

bob marley died from a cancerous brain tumor.

Where did you get your facts? :cursing:

You're somewhat right... he did have cancer.

It started out as simple skin cancer, but rastafari's do not believe in amputation.

What does cancer do if it's not treated? It spreads... eventually he had it all over his body (lungs, stomach, brain, skin...)... not just his brain.

R.I.P. Mr. Marley :sadcrying

Grade A

08-01-2007, 10:40 PM

but you don't inhale cigar smoke, at least most don't

You don't inhale weed either, right? :what:

LIP

08-02-2007, 11:44 AM

bob marley died from a cancerous brain tumor.

It started in his feet. He was playing football in England and injured his foot, and it spread from there.

LIP

08-02-2007, 11:53 AM

WOODTV.com & WOOD TV8 - Grand Rapids news, weather, sports and video - Heavy Pot Smoking Doesn't Increase Lung Cancer Risk: Study (http://www.woodtv.com/global/story.asp?s=4945953)
Study Indicates THC May Eradicate Brain Tumors - NORML (http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4101)
:Amsterdam Cannabis Ministry : Information on Cannabis : THC Ministry Amsterdam (http://www.thc-ministry.net/cannabisinfo.htm)
http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/marijuana/facts/3-mj-myths

I cant really be bothered to get anymore, but google will be all you need to educate yourselves with the hundreds of other positive things weed does, every damn day.

Bob Marley said "Weed is so good for everyting" and it IS.

Staurm

08-02-2007, 02:31 PM

LOL I think we should get a new sub folder for all this propaganda bullshit.

Markass

08-02-2007, 03:12 PM

LOL I think we should get a new sub folder for all this propaganda bullshit.

we need to create a website that is strictly anti-propoganda

Sombrero

08-06-2007, 04:07 PM

Here's the real study results. They looked at "macroscopic emphysema". The emphysema was detected in 1 out of 75 of the cannabis only smokers, 15 of 92 people who smoke cannabis plus tobacco, 17 of 91 tobacco only smokers, and no emphysema for non smokers. So cannabis alone only resulted in one case of emphysema, but tobacco resulted in many cases of emphysema. I don't know how they decided that one cannabis joint impairs the lungs more than tobacco because I can't read the whole study, but it sounds like something that they measured acutely, and not chronically, as cannabis didn't really cause emphysema. Never believe the news, always read the study or the study abstract. This is just like the studies that link psychosis with cannabis use, they say that someone who went a little crazy smoked literally one joint when they were a teenager, so that means that the cannabis had something to do with it. While they were smoking lots of tobacco, which people with mental illness smoke more than other people. But the studies say oh no, the tobacco is smokked because it helps to calm them. Well as it just so happens cannabidiol, the second main cannabinoid is cannabis, is a powerful antipsychotic, so they were more likely mentally ill before they smoked cannabis, and cannabis helped them.

THE EFFECTS OF CANNABIS ON PULMONARY STRUCTURE, FUNCTION AND SYMPTOMS.
Aldington S, Williams M, Nowitz M, Weatherall M, Pritchard A, McNaughton A, Robinson G, Beasley R.

Medical Research Institute of New Zealand, New Zealand.

BACKGROUND: Cannabis is the most widely used illegal drug worldwide. Long term use of cannabis is known to cause chronic bronchitis and airflow obstruction, however the frequency of macroscopic emphysema, the dose-response relationship and the dose equivalence of cannabis with tobacco has not been determined. METHODS: A convenience sample of adults from the Greater Wellington Region was recruited into four smoking groups; cannabis only, tobacco only, combined cannabis and tobacco and non-smokers of either substance. Their respiratory status was assessed using high resolution CT scanning, pulmonary function tests and a respiratory and smoking questionnaire. Associations between respiratory status and cannabis use were examined by analysis of covariance and logistic regression. RESULTS: A total of 339 subjects were recruited into the four groups. A dose-response relationship was found between cannabis smoking and reduced FEV1/FVC and sGaw, and increased TLC. For measures of airflow obstruction, one cannabis joint had a similar effect to between 2.5 and 6 tobacco cigarettes. Cannabis smoking was associated with decreased lung density on HRCT scans. Macroscopic emphysema was detected in 1/75 (1.3%), 15/92 (16.3%), 17/91 (18.9%) and 0/81 subjects in the cannabis only, combined cannabis and tobacco, tobacco alone and non-smoking groups respectively. CONCLUSIONS: Smoking cannabis was associated with a dose-related impairment of large airways function resulting in airflow obstruction and hyperinflation. In contrast, cannabis smoking was seldom associated with macroscopic emphysema. The 1:2.5 to 6 dose equivalence between cannabis joints and tobacco cigarettes for adverse effects on lung function is of major public health significance.

PMID: 17666437 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

huh

08-06-2007, 04:26 PM

Cannibis kills cancerous cells? Really i just thought it helped with the nausia from Chemo, thats why cancer patient use it.Well at least I thought

its used for chemo because there is more than one reson it helps.
the help with nausia, appetite stimulation, pain relief, etc.

mseerob

08-07-2007, 06:47 AM

Im not sure if it causes cancer but it surely does damage your lungs overtime.

Delta9 UK

08-07-2007, 07:50 AM

I dont think it has actually been proven that it kills cancerous cells. I mean chemists have been trying for years and years to find a compound that does. I think if THC was this magical the scientists would be able to use it to virtually eliminate all cancerous cells in a person.

THC cancels out the effect that tar has on cells, I dont beleive this. It isnt possible for it to be that straight forward.

I think weed is as good as the next person I just think that it isnt possible that cannabis smoke cannot cause cancer.

Sort of....

Cannabis smoke DOESN'T let you absorb PAH's (Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons) which are one of the key carcinogens in Tobacco smoke.

These PAH's fuck you up! Guess what - Nicotine enables them to bind and enter your system.

THC doesn't - it blocks it.

The difference rests in the often opposing actions of the nicotine in tobacco and the active ingredient, THC, in marijuana, says Dr. Robert Melamede (http://www.uccs.edu/~biology/faculty/melamede.htm) of the University of Colorado in Colorado Springs. Whereas nicotine has several effects that promote lung and other types of cancer, THC acts in ways that counter the cancer-causing chemicals in marijuana smoke. Lab research indicates that nicotine activates a body enzyme that converts certain chemicals in both tobacco and marijuana smoke into cancer-promoting form. In contrast, studies in mice suggest that THC blocks this enzyme activity.

Smoke weed alone - no tobacco and cut the PAH's out, Tar my arse this is a smokescreen people!!!!

So LiP is also right too - the Devil is in the details my friends :D

Storm Crow

08-07-2007, 04:11 PM

Dean, darlin', click on the "medical studies" link in my sig. Start reading and get educated! I "double-dog-dare you" to read all the titles! ;) - Granny:hippy:

zsouj

08-07-2007, 04:48 PM

one of the guys who has studied a lot about marihuana smoke effects is Dr. Donald Tashkin (UCLA), he found out that cannabis smoke contains 4 times more tar than cig smoke

However, try tu calculate how much smoke does a cig smoker put into his lungs in a week, and compare that to the amount of smoke consumed by the only-cannabis smoker (like me), it's an absurd comparison.

Tashkin also found out NO association between cancer development and cannabis use, in fact he believes it might be possible that THC actually protects the cells from developing cancer.

Sombrero

08-07-2007, 09:50 PM

There was like a History Channel Modern Marvels show about tobacco, and most cigarettes are only like 50 percent actual tobacco. The rest is this liquid tobacco chemical concentrate that they soak into paper shreds or tobacco shreds. Not something that people would want to smoke, and not very natural either.

Oil_Man

08-07-2007, 10:06 PM

why does smokin hurt like a bitch, but smokin weed doesnt hurt? in fact weed really relaxes me the second it goes down

pass_the_dubbie

08-07-2007, 11:24 PM

Heh...around here its only 1 joint = 1 cig as in one cigs worth of tobacco is in a joint. Out of interest does anyone know if this crap has been printed in more reliable newspapers in the u.k like the Times? Most people reading the daily mail and the sun etc are doing it for page 3.

Candnloveweed420

08-08-2007, 08:55 AM

ya man that irks me just as much as it does you. that is just plain bullshit. my friends dad found out he smoked weed before and he has been saying a bunch of shit to scare him, and he just pulled that one outa his ass recently. ignorance is all it is.

sg_snip3r

08-10-2007, 02:04 AM

first off i think this study is BS.

however it happens to be true there is still the fact a marjoirty (correct me if im wrong) marijuana smokers only smoke 1-2 joints a day. how many cigs to tobacco smokers smoke a day? 10-20?

you do the math 2 joints x 5 = 10

so really if this study WAS correct then you'd still be only getting as much tar as or less tar than cig smokers on a daily basis. plus not everyone smokes weed everday, cig smokers do. so you do that math and eventually it comes out that weed is a lot less tarry than cigs :rastasmoke:

lol sorry for the rant but this is something i always try to explain to my friends so i just had to make a post. peace :jointsmile:

BBoyShotty

08-10-2007, 03:07 AM

^^
and especially if you smoke outta a nice bong, itll definately minimize the tar as well.:)..i love my cyclone:D

BrilloHeadBen

08-10-2007, 03:20 AM

Guess what, you are inhaleing smoke into your lungs. Humans arent supposed to breath smoke. Smoke damages the lung cells over time regardless of what is being smoked. If you are concerned with the condition of your lungs, you shouldnt be smoking anything at all.

Dr. Bloor

08-23-2007, 09:06 PM

There is a lot to be said for vaporizers!

LIP

08-24-2007, 04:54 PM