need help with drip system

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things dont look right but im not sure because this is my first time. please help out and any input would be appriciated. heres some pics of equitment, nutrients and trees. Theres 8 plants all started different times but the 1st 2 are feminized great white shark 3 through 8 are unknown orgin and not feminized. hope to get atleast 3 females out of the 6 unknown. i have them on a 16 hrs light and 7 hrs dark. try to do my best at keeping them at a 5.5 to 6.0 ph level but i dont have the best equitment. being held up by bottle rockit sticks because they were falling over. WHAT DO I DO TO MAKE SURE I HAVE A GOOD YEILD???? is one light enough (compact florecent) view pics to help out thanks .:wtf:

[picilo]

Man this is just me, but i HATE GH nutes. I have used them in the past and they sucked ever so much. Try boptanicare if you have any extra money. Other than that the only advice i have for ya at this time would be to get the light a little closer than you have it now. From the length of the stems, it look like the are having to stretch to get the light they need. how close are do you have the light to the tops of the plants? Also be careful with the bottle rocket sticks because they have all kinds of magnesium and sulfur on them, and can cause some nute problems, not for sure if it will, but it could.

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i moved the lights about 2in from top last night and the leaves are already moved into the light. if i change the nutritions brand will it make a difference or make it worst because i have already started... is one light going to be enough for bloom stage (in two weeks)? thanks for all your help:jointsmile:

[Oh So Grow So]

I have that exact light and have found (because I didnt have the money to spring for the reflector) that its so centeralized that you will end up with a bunch of dark areas and your plants will constantly be twisting and turning to position them selves to recieve the light. So you should get a bunch of consumer type CFLS (very cheap) and position them all around the plants so you have light evenly distributed. you should at least get 6 26 watt cfls. also those units are fit for a plant each. you're going to run out space QUICK. I have a flood tray that is 2' x 2' that BARELY holds 6 plants.

In my opinion those plants arent going to be ready for bloom in two weeks.

[picilo]

Well, if you want to change brands right now the best advice would be to flush out the GH and then start with the botanicare. But to be honest with you, just stick with the GH for now since you have already bought them, and started using them. As for the lights, Oh So Grow so has it. Just add more lights to get a more even spread on the canopy. Regarding flowering, I would wait until its got at least 4-5 sets on it before inducing flowering. And since your using flow, it might be a little longer than 2 weeks. Sux, i know, but you want it to be worth the wait so do what ever you can to get the best harvest possible. Also you will notice pre flowers once the plant starts to mature more and become ready to flower. When this happens you will be able to see what is male, and what is female.

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first here are some pic i moved the light up and will try to keep it at that distance. I dont mind things taking longer i just want it to be worth the effort! :smokin: one pic of my great white shark and its one of the smallest out of all and it was started and up 8 days befor the others, its feminized & this one is what i really want to have a good yeald out of ... so, the lights... are CFL's the long lights or lights for house hold lamps and what kind do they need to be for bloom ?soft white? i dont mind picking up lights i need if the $$ is not to high " Im on a budget" So how many of these lights do i need for the bloom stage?... :wtf:..OH the recirculating program!!! is it bad or ok that i didnt get the floralicious plus and the liquid KoolBloom. will i need them?

[Oh So Grow So]

this is what it looks like. this is a 26 watt "daylight" which is 6000-6500k <-that indicates color temp (make sure you get daylight for veg) CFL. A lot of people (including me) get these Y socket splitters to maximize output for each socket/cord. you can get all this stuff at wal-mart, home dePOT anywhere basicly.

if you really want to do it right, and still want to do it on the cheap... you need to get non-daylight (2700-3000k) CFLS for bloom. you need at least 250 watts over the tops (you can get 6 42 watt warm CFLS).

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I also have these for bloom stage not to sure how to use them with GH? maybe someone can help>???:error:

[picilo]

Never used any thing to boost flowers besides regular bloom nutes. I have herd they work well if done right, but can mess with the finished products taste. Especially if you fail to flush it all out. Since this is your first grow, I would just try and see if you can make it a successful harvest with out trying to add to much. Over loving a plant will kill it WAY faster then most people think. Also change the light cycle to 18/6, as it will give you faster growth results. The plant really only needs about 6 hrs of dark time to get sufficient root growth. Go out and buy some more lights, like the one that OSGS has posted, and make sure the PH stays in check. Oh yeah, blue/green for veg, and red/orange for flower is the color spectrum's to have for the respective cycles.

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:)you two are great thankx for all the help!!!! will this type of light work if i get 6-10 going onn the side??

[Oh So Grow So]

yep thats what you want for veg. for bloom, get the ones with green on the packaging instead of blue. the warm ones dont have any specific wording indicators other than some green instead blue on the packaging.

glad to be of help. :jointsmile:

[PharmaCan]

yep thats what you want for veg. for bloom, get the ones with green on the packaging instead of blue. the warm ones dont have any specific wording indicators other than some green instead blue on the packaging.

glad to be of help. :jointsmile:

Although this may be correct in some cases, it is not always true. If you look closely, the package and/or the bulb will almost always tell you the spectrum of the light.

Buy a couple of the 42w (40-something watt?) and see how much yellower they look. That's what you'll want when you flower. Keep using the 42w's, some of that red light can be good in veg too

PC :smokin:

[hydrocannabis]

things dont look right but im not sure because this is my first time. please help out and any input would be appriciated. heres some pics of equitment, nutrients and trees. Theres 8 plants all started different times but the 1st 2 are feminized great white shark 3 through 8 are unknown orgin and not feminized. hope to get atleast 3 females out of the 6 unknown. i have them on a 16 hrs light and 7 hrs dark. try to do my best at keeping them at a 5.5 to 6.0 ph level but i dont have the best equitment. being held up by bottle rockit sticks because they were falling over. WHAT DO I DO TO MAKE SURE I HAVE A GOOD YEILD???? is one light enough (compact florecent) view pics to help out thanks .:wtf:

I have flowered with the lights U have now and they worked just fine for me.

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hope this works for light and is the brown spots on the leaf chemical burn??

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well i cant even see them in the picc but there are a few around the main vein on the leaf in the middle of the last pic.

[ProGroWannabe]

It is most likely a lil nute burn. But we either need closer pics and/or your PPM reading to gauge nute strength. I'm not very well versed in hydro and am not gonna pretend to be in this post. Just letting you know what some of the hydro experts here may ask you for when attempting to diagnose your brown spots. Good Luck.

[palerider7777]

nice i'll get pics up of my light set up that i just made maybe tonite that top light can get alil closer and u need sum fans running to thickin up them stalks too

[palerider7777]

the brown spots may be from spraying the leafs are u doing that?? i learned that too u can't spray down the leafs in the light cause it can burn the leafs i would say that and or nute burn as too if ur spraying the nutes on the leafs if the nutes are to strong they can burn too that way

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I have no way of knowing the ppm maybe if i read the label on the nutes... I just did and didnt find anything on the ppm. The solution may have reached the leaves via the drip ring, it gets the floor wet? One of the plants has had splotchy spots on most of the leaves but the spots are just a lighter green color so I pay it no mind its always been like that. I hope its nothing that can spred to the other plants!! I cant take any better pics till later when i go and turn the lights back on. One more thing every seince I put the lights closer, the plant dosen't hold up the leaves the same, they look droupy?

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hey whats up with the

[smokedoja]

you need a ppm meter to find the ppm (parts per million) i think there like 50-150 bucks....

those plants look over watered... ..... . . . ... ... .. .. . . . btw

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I have a drip system. So the water is always running, how can i make sure i dont over water? Ive reed that it can be good to turn the water on every 2-3 hours for 15-30min. what should i do??? FYI... I put more clay balls on the top so it can help hold the plants up better (I still have not bought a fan yet)
and cuz roots are starting to grow, about a 1/2in up the base of the stock. But now they aren't exposed. So what do i do about the water if thats the problem. They just dont look healthy!!!:(

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now here are som pic of the brown spots. The plants are low by the drip ring and i know sometimes water gets on them ( so when the lights are on i can cause burns??) last pic is of the roots growing befor i added more clay to cover them..... .. . . . .2nd to the last pic is a plant that has always looked lik this if someone can tell me y? it has light green spots everywhere!! hey if u double click the pic you will get a bigger pic... to see it better thanks for everyones help:)

[The House]

ok I have the same system. You need to get a regular lamp timer for the air pump. When I fist start I have the timer turn the pump on every 3 hours for 15 mins. No water at night (it's resting time). Have those bulbs as close to the plants as you can without burning them. I also use the same nutes with great results. Just follow the chart on the nutes and you should be good. i've never used a ppm meter and everything is perfect. Maybe i'll post you a pic soon. Hope this helps. BTW did you put a divider in the clay pellets to seperate the plants?
-The House:thumbsup:

[bongerstonerd00d]

Wots pH ?
Wots TDS ?
Get a fan blowing gently on those plants.
Move those lights as close as you can possibly get them.
Why 3 plants in one Waterfarm ?
Rockwool cube should be covered. You do not want light on the roots.


Save yer money, get ya a HPS to flower with.

Search Weedhound and Xcrispi posts, they grow some nice crops using the Waterfarms.

And, IMHO, two things you must absolutely have to grow 'dro is a TDS meter, and pH tester. But, what do I know :D:D Incorrect pH when growing in hydro means yer plants get zero nutes ! Doesnt matter what nutes you use if the pH is out of whack. Here is a chart for you to take a peek at. Notice the optimum pH for your plants to uptake nutes is ~5.8. Since those Waterfarms have such a small volume of water in them you might need to pH down a few times a day.

http://boards.cannabis.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21560&d=1121829312


Growin green,
b0nger

[palerider7777]

ok I have the same system. You need to get a regular lamp timer for the air pump. When I fist start I have the timer turn the pump on every 3 hours for 15 mins. No water at night (it's resting time). Have those bulbs as close to the plants as you can without burning them. I also use the same nutes with great results. Just follow the chart on the nutes and you should be good. i've never used a ppm meter and everything is perfect. Maybe i'll post you a pic soon. Hope this helps. BTW did you put a divider in the clay pellets to seperate the plants?
-The House:thumbsup:

um u do need a ppm/ph meter u might get away with it for awhile but if things are goning wrong like burns wilting and stuff like with this thread why do u say u still don't need a meter to find out whats going on u do need it to find out and the 15mins every 3 hrs is right but when they get bigger and have a good root system u can run them 24/7 or 1 hr for every 3 off

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ok i have no divider and only 2 are femnized so when the males show i will take then out and there will be more room. My ph tester is... well here is what i have, as u can tell I just have to do my best.

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I will get a ppm, ec and a better ph meter when i can this will have to do for now

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They are gitting big so fast now and i was just wanting to know when to start them on the bloom nutes, keep in mind that in the first 2 weeks i had some plants die on me and being the noobie I am I just thought I would start more to take their place, so there is 3 plants that are 7-10 days younger. I'm not sure what to do here?? (none are starting to bloom yet so i dont know whats male or female)

[The House]

um u do need a ppm/ph meter u might get away with it for awhile but if things are goning wrong like burns wilting and stuff like with this thread why do u say u still don't need a meter to find out whats going on u do need it to find out and the 15mins every 3 hrs is right but when they get bigger and have a good root system u can run them 24/7 or 1 hr for every 3 off

PPM meters are over rated. If your plant is showing signs of over fert. or not enough nutes, all you need to do is flush it and use the recomended nutrient strength. ;)

-X- I'm glad they're doing better. That system has never failed me.:rastasmoke: I'd say to keep em in veg for a week or two more before you flip it to 12/12. When you change the light cycle keep em on veg nutes for 2 weeks then start using flowering nutes.

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i think i f-ed up!! my plants are in there first week of bloom and they are so small and i need a good yelid what did i do wrong? The smallest is about 8in tall and the bigest is about 20in tall ??? do i still go into aggressive bloom for this week? they are starting to get buds on them but the trees are so small ( the 2 smallest are the Great White Shark and the other 4 are just some i picked up around the house) I moved them out in a bigger room so i can pull the lights back a little bit. (to make them reach for the light) HOW DO I GET THEM TO GROW BIGGER???? some one help!!
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[palerider7777]

umm how old were they when u went to flower 12/12 cycle?? they need to be atleast a 1ft tall or bigger to switch to 12/12 and get a good yeild.and how old r they over all they say it takes up to 6 to 8 weeks sometimes b4 they show sex mine took 9 weeks to show i kept mine in veg for 9 weeks and half was 3 ft tall and the others were 2ft tall as i did what u did and started half of them 3 weeks after the first but i let them grow way past where the younger ones were as big as they need to be so my first ones were way bigger when i went to flower them im in the 2nd weeks of flower and all the plants are 4ft tall now cause my younger ones caught up quick lol

[Tox]

infatuation.

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hey the smallest two are the great white shark and they are the oldest!!! I think these plants dont get real tall. they where started in the first week of july and the ones i started latter where the first to show flowers and i had to pull 2 males they had balls all over them!! and one was showing to be female so i started bloom but they seemed to be small after the first week of bloom so I freeked out and flushed both pots out for 2 days then today i said F-it and went to the aggressive bloom nutes the buds are coming on so fast inn the tall plants and the others are starting to reach for the light good. The smallest is up to 9 1/4in!!! So do u think im doing the right thing?? here are some pic of new buds

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[Opie Yutts]

PPM meters are over rated. If your plant is showing signs of over fert. or not enough nutes, all you need to do is flush it and use the recomended nutrient strength. ;)

Uhhh, what?

You definately need a PH meter and you need a PPM meter if you want to get the maximum from your plants. It's the only way to be sure that you have the correct PPM for all the different stages of the plant's life (there are several different PPMs needed).

[Opie Yutts]

You can get them for about $25 each.

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never found one for that price more like 86 or more i do have liquid ph test kit but its hard to know for sure what ph i have i just go for yellow (6.0) u can see the kit on the first page but i had it wrong the one in the pic is more orange anywhere from 5.0 to 5.8 so now i just try to get yellow when testing here is a pic of the kit now and as u can see my trees are already looking better ( i had ran out 4 days-a-go) the pic befor look droopy now they are starting to perk-up:thumbsup: im just woreied about my plants just being really small and only getting a once or two off of each ( just seems like a waste of time for all the work!) here is new pic of the plants from far away and close-up as well as ph kit. i still dont kno what to do but would like to thank u all for the great help i would have not made it this far if not for u all!!!! thankx:) ok im haveing trouble with pic i will add later to day but they do look better!

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the ph is yellow when tested and i have enough to last the duration of the bloom phase but no ppm tester. $25 humm? sounds to good to be true! lol

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[hbbusa28]

Also just to add a little here from my own very limited experience. I use GH nutes. I haven't been growing for long and a lot of advice I've read here is that they are a good starting nute for the first timer but there are better ones. I grew my first Cali Orange about a year ago with them and it did just fine. Had some problems at first and ended up with only female but she grown nice and strong. Had a good bush with a fairly decent crop for my first time.

My one piece of advice when using the GH (as I'm sure with other programs) get Cal-Mag. You will need this additive. As you do more you can experiment with adding others but you will need this for sure now.

[hbbusa28]

Wow. Usually helps when I read both pages. I answered after seeing the first page. Way behind on my reply. LOL. Oh well. Still stands. :)

[Opie Yutts]

Here ya go.

[yoman]

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hey Opie Yutts , that chart will help out a great deal on my next grow thankx.... so how long is the bud stage that chart seems 7 weeks long for that, I think my trees grow slow, so i would like to keep them in the bud stage longer like at least 4 more weeks ?? Is it ok to do that or will they just grow how they want?? i(I know to cure them when the hairs on 60% of the plant turn red) OK so what im sayin is, can i keep the plants in this stage for another 4 weeks they hane been in bloom for about 2 weeks and look like the pic above but w/more crystals.

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ok I know now that the bloom stage can take up to 13 weeks for some plants!!! I will keep them up to the point when the trichomes are 75% cloudy and 25% amber cuz i like the up/energetic/head-high. thankx guys!!

[mmken]

Are you growing all those in each pot or are you going to cull them out??

[mmken]

Veg them longer next time....

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they have been growning in the same pot the whole time and i was unsure of how to transplant them into another pot because the roots are already down into the resivour. so whats this cull thing? how do i transplant them into another pot at 2 wks into bloom? __________________________________________________ _____ HEY i have a question about Hermafradites. well i think i might have 2 of them and there my tallest plants , and i have been cutting off the balls i thought would be flowers for about a week now . at first there were about 11 between the 2 . now there growing right under some leaves and i dont see them untill they flower or what i think is flowering and 1 flower looks like it has a bud growing out of it because it has a red hair growing out of the middle !! here are some pictures of them, let me know what u think. thanx

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if i stay on top of picking the flower buds off will the hermi stop producing flowers??

[The House]

I wouldn't try to transplant them this late in the game. If you want, you can just cut down the hermi's and not risk pollinating the others. You could also pick off the bananas but you still risk getting seeds and that slows production of the buds. Hermies are a pain in the ass. you'll still get some good smoke though if you choose to leave em. -The house

[The House]

how are they??

[Opie Yutts]

ok I know now that the bloom stage can take up to 13 weeks for some plants!!! I will keep them up to the point when the trichomes are 75% cloudy and 25% amber cuz i like the up/energetic/head-high. thankx guys!!

The more amber, the less up and energetic.

I think you're looking for 75% cloudy and 25% clear.

[Hydroponic Cabbage]

your plants look pretty good vs the earlier pics that were posted