The Alaskan Matanuska Valley Thunderfuck Thread

[stinkyattic]

Okay peeples I guess there's a few of use here growing Alaskan genetics.
The MTF is one of those strains that frequently has its name attached to anything to make a buck... there have been some scams regarding seeds labeled MTF and sold for outrageous prices, when in reality the 'TRUE' MTF was clone-only.
Here's some threads with related content:
http://boards.cannabis.com/strains-seeds/101514-matanuska-thunderfuck.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/strains-seeds/5629-most-potent-strain.html
http://boards.cannabis.com/strains-seeds/116044-what-most-potent-strain-existence.html
But there's a lot of good lines with similar origin and ancestry being grown in Alaska still.

This thread is for people with what they believe to be MTF related genetics!!!!

Please post:

-Origin of your seeds or cuttings- breeder, seedbank, friend, region they came from, as much as you know.

-Veg pics from a couple angles, both showing mature fan leaves and a shot of the whole plant so the structure and internodes are visible

-Flower pics in a few different stages of bud-set

-Nug pics if you feel like, please describe the flavor as best you can, and the type of high.

-Any other info you feel is relevant

[stinkyattic]

This is what I'm holding right now.
The origin is local growers on the Kenai peninsula.
The high is a creeper for sure, and can run to the couchlock.
Flavor is dark and dank.
Plant is short for the amount of mass it puts on in veg- crazy tight internodes, huge leaves, thick, and stocky.
In flower, the buds are surprisingly long and slender- almost graceful- for the bulkiness of the plant.
There isn't a ton of smell in flower unless you go over and shake the plant a little.
Stretch is pretty minimal- the stretch that does occur is just colas shooting up, you don't get as many new leaves as a lot of the strains I've run.
Hardiness is incredible. It will be the last plant standing in my garden in a disaster. I've abused all my plants and this one is like, "what, bring it on, B"

Here's a couple pics. I just happened to have them in my computer but I'll get some proper ones tonight.

[Celeste]

i have no great pix of mine at the moment; i've butchered them into clone moms, and they are just putting back out.

what i know of these beans is that they are either an f2 mtf, or are crossed with a mango type indica. the first four sets of leaves showed white streaks, but that oddity disappeared as they matured. my friend's beans were mtf from alaska, close to the matanuska valley. they grew very short and bushy, extremely close internodes. then i put them outside, where they commenced to stretching. node spacing is still tight, but the stems stretched out....

i took clones after they preflowered (they may have been shocked to flower by going outdoors, this happened to me earlier this year when i put my moms outside from 24/0 lighting indoors) i got two nearly identical females, and a male.

right now i'm waiting for roots, then i'll flower the two female phenos, pix all the way. i'm finishing up a dwc grow with dreamgoddess, so these will be next.

also, during the first 6weeks of veg, the leaves were purplish when they first came out. i think i do have a pic of that.... let me see...

[stinkyattic]

Oh- one thing I forgot to mention- the plant has always shown red petioles, typically a sign of S def, but in this case I am feeding a VERY high S fertilizer (cornucopia bloom) and the only plant still red is my MTFs. I think it's just the strain.

Node spacing- I have not grown this plant outdoors and don't know how much stretchier it would get under natural sunlight.

Yup, the seedlings showed some purple hues when they were very young too.

[Celeste]

mine also show red petioles... no def's here....

[the image reaper]

looking good :thumbsup: ... I've been curious as to the 'history' of the MTF, did it originate in Russia, or the States ? ... :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

States. Alaska, to be precise.

Although Alaska was settled by Russian fur trappers long before Americans were up there.

[rhizome]

ThunderFuck was bred up in the early seventies out of NorCal bag and Afghani (what I was told by a reasonable source) by a semi-communal group of hippies- I'm not aware of any "native" hemp in Alaska.

[stinkyattic]

The Afghani component would definitely account for the obscenely wide leaf-fingers. From my fucking around with both my Alaskan line, and with Afghan, the wide-blade trait seems to get passed down to the offspring in a big way.

[Chronisseur]

I've recently learned from an alaskan that the original WAS native in MV, until the late 80's when caretaker was busted. Apparently many clones were saved and distributed, few of which I imagine exist today.

Another thing about TF is that its a parent to Kodiak Gold.

[ProGroWannabe]

As I get time, I will try to gather any available history/info on MTF. Some of it may not be completely accurate, I suspect, but we'll see what I can dig up.

If you can think of anything more helpful for me to do Stinky, just let me know. This was all I could think of myself at the moment. I, like some of the others here wanna keep this awesome strain from going into rumor, like so many others before it.

[stinkyattic]

I think we need to redefine 'native'.
Cannabis is not native to Alaska. The only thing that could possibly survive there would be Siberian ruderalis lines.
The STRAIN MTF originated there but the base genetics had to be brought in from elsewhere.

[stinkyattic]

Here's some pics:
1) This is NOT pure MTF. I had a sexy MTF-line male who I didn't know what to do with, so I crossed him to my best White Rhino female. These stunning bitches are the result. Oh holy CRAP are they nice looking buds, and still with at least a week and a half to go to harvest...
2,3) Here's 2 shots of a clone. The first shows the internode spacing and red petioles pretty well
4) Some blurry budshots
5) An ounce in a jar.

[the image reaper]

real nice results :thumbsup:

[Celeste]

stinky, do you have harvest pix of the rhino?

all i got was a hermie male, all my rhinos were smashed upon delivery, cept one...

[the image reaper]

curious where you got your crushed seeds ? ... was it Dr. Chronic ? :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

Celeste, that Rhino is LONG gone. I got mine from Nirvana and the only one that DIDN'T herm was a stunning female. Every other one went herm, and I THINK I know what I'm doing, lol!
Thanks for the props. I saved cuts and will be running that F1 as a production strain.

[Celeste]

curious where you got your crushed seeds ? ... was it Dr. Chronic ? :smokin:

i got them from a friend who was unfamiliar with packaging procedures.... hence they got crushed. his came from nirvana unscathed.

i've heard much about hermies in the rhino strain, i'm glad you got a good fem stinky :)

love, lestie

[the image reaper]

OK, thanks, was just curious ... there seems to be a lot of 'received crushed seeds' from a couple of the more popular seedbanks, and I've just never understood why that happens ... should be a very easy problem to remedy ... :smokin:

[stinkyattic]

are either an f2 mtf, or are crossed with a mango type indica..

Yes, I am starting to think that those beans were either an F2 MTF or a cross with a resinated male from a Nirvana Standard Papaya pack.

And in return the sender of those seeds received a SAGE x BB cross made by KP/SS/BRB(/C?).

[Celeste]

papaya! that was it :p

;) love ya miss stinky ;)

ps, check your rep messages...

[Dizzy1]

Sorry to hiack, I would like to contribute though, some day. :thumbsup:

The thread inspired me.

[Celeste]

lol, dizzy, i stole that pic for a future avatar.... :p

[Dizzy1]

Why wait? ;)

[Celeste]

cuz i'm not tired of my pretty pink princess yet :p

.... maybe tomorrow :D

[stinkyattic]

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-lounge/100267-growers-code-ethics-love-stinky.html#post1214100

Just in case anyone has any questions as to how breeders feel about not being cited for work they KNOW is theirs.

Also, can we please not fill up this thread with chatter?

[Celeste]

forgive me stinky, i was under the "hush-hush" impression...

i tried to give you the hints...sorry if i offended you.

love, lestie.

[Celeste]

some pix of mtf(x?)1 (bigger, more vigorous female) before taking cuttings...

[stinkyattic]

Just to straighten this thread out, the line of MTF that Celeste is running (the one that shows red petioles) is the exact same one that I am running. So any similarities between the two are not simply coincidental... they came from the same batch of seeds from the Kenai Peninsula.

[Celeste]

i found this, thought you guys might be interested...

International Cannagraphic Magazine Forums - will the real MTF please stand up (http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=32538&page=1&pp=15)

[Jadian21]

Dizzy if I ever see that license plate when I'm driving the Seward Highway or something I'm so flagging you down.

I've had lots of friends claim their clones were MTF related and so far I don't believe a single one of them. My lady's parents are my nearest resident authority on MTF, they got quite a bit back in the 80's or 90's. They actually said it wasn't that the strain is the super-jesus-best-thing-ever it was just that compared to the usual pot going around at the time it was fantastic, and since then the quality of the casual pot in Alaska has increased.

[romdog11]

here is another link for mtf. http://boards.cannabis.com/strains-seeds/108329-dr-greenthumb-seedbank-review.html#post1591070

[goldgro]

my buddy and I grew greenthumb's MTF. I smoked a fair amount of it way back when. it has a clean citrus-pine taste, really up high, not a stone. One of the hallmarks of this strain is the braided look of the swollen flower bracts which grow one on top of the other and twist into what looks like braids of rope, sort of. You'll know it when you see it for sure. It's unique in appearance.

[stinkyattic]

Citrus pine doesn't sound right. It's typically described as chocolate/black grape/earthy. Hm.
I took down one of mine today and it was going a lovely maroon under the bud leaves, and smelled strongly grape. Very nice. Not a huge yielder, but quite a sexy girl.

[Demeter]

I'll be posting pcis of my fat ladies tomorrow- boy oh boy the mtf girls are very very thick! There are some barely in flower and others that I topped the bejesus out of in an effort to keep them short- there's going to be a sumo wrestler look to those topped ladies in veg!!

[goldgro]

Say what you want. This IS Matanuska Thunderfuck. Not Matanuska Thunder,not Matanuska Tundra or any of the crosses. I had a fair amount of it over an extended period some years ago and I have no doubt this is it.