getntested
07-20-2007, 09:00 PM
Hello, all. New to the forum but very impressed by the advice and professional atmosphere around here.
I have a several-tiered question regarding an impending test someone very important to me is about to have. Sorry in advance for being long-winded, but want to make sure I convey everything and get the right answer(s) for what I am asking, as this test is HUGE for both of our lives!
Some background....
We have been multi-time-a-day smokers for many years now (no other narcotics than THC though). She is getting a new job and will be getting tested at the start of next week. I am expecting it to be a standard urinalysis, but again, this test is so critical for her, and for us.
We purchased a 15-day cleansing kit from a popular website (not sure if I'm allowed to mention names, so I won't) that consisted of 15 cleansing tablets/pills a day spread over 5 hours, with lots of water/tea/cranberry drinking. It also had an 'elixir' that was used through the final 8 days (5 hrs of pills and fluids, 3hrs of just fluids no food, then .5oz of the elixir and no food drink for 3 more hours). It also came with a large tablet she is supposed to eat 45 mins before the actual test, as well as one home test kit, and we decided to also purchase the large test-day syrup just in case (that we've used successfully before - though a different brand, which to my knowledge, acts like a sponge and filters/holds back the THC for about a 5 hour window, but doesn't actually cleanse you). We went with the kit this time because we knew we had more time than usual, and so I wanted her to be confident and CLEAN, not nervous and using a temporary fixer that makes your urine neon yellow.
Anyhow.... She just completed the 15 day kit on Wednesday though it is important to note that it has now been THREE FULL WEEKS since she used/smoked. I quit with her, though I did smoke once or twice throughout this period, including just the other night (it was not smoked around her, however). We have not used the home test yet though, we are going to do it today.
Ok, to my questions....
1) The website folks and instructions said that she has to sleep on clean sheets every night of the cleanse, and the reason for this is that her sweat can carry a minimal amount of THC that when she purges her system and her system is craving the toxins it is used to, she can cross-contimate herself through those amounts in her fluids. VERY IMPORTANT--> They also said that I could cross-contaminate her because I am dirty, and recommended we sleep in different beds throughout. Now, I stopped using pretty much, as I said, though I did smoke last night and so I am dirty and we have been sleeping in the same bed.
It was per my understanding that even with actual second-hand smoke around you it is VERY difficult to get a positive result from that kind of cross-contamination if you aren't using... much less from me sleeping next to her! But this is the reason we bought the test-day syrup (just in case). Has anyone EVER heard of this before? Is there any validity to it?
This leads to my next question...
2) Once she is clean, she is clean til she uses again, correct? Meaning, if she tests negative today, then we go get another home test from GNC and test her tomorrow on her first urine of the day and she's negative again. And then on the morning of the test we test her again and she is clean/negative again is there ANY chance that she could then get a dirty/positive result at the test (even taking into consideration the cross-contamination concept mentioned above)? I ask that because if there is NO CHANCE, then I do NOT want her using that syrup we bought, though if there is, then I figure we should do the 'better safe than sorry'-approach and do the syrup as well.
The reason I don't want her to use the syrup is my last question...
3) We have used the test day syrup/sponge method in the past and it has worked. However, it makes your urine EXTREMELY yellow, to the point of it looking VERY artificial! I know you can say you take vitamins or whatever, but it made her very nervous last time, and I am concerned that it could raise a red flag. Also... and this is one of my BIGGEST CONCERNS--> I just feel like these syrups (Vales is the one I've used, this one is a different brand, though likely the same thing) make getting around a THC urine test way too easy. My instinct tells me that the drug test companies must know this, and may have likely thought of a way to beat it, ie: testing for the chemicals/vitamins that are IN the syrup to see if you're using it, particularly if you give them a sample that is glowing yellow.
To anyone's knowledge, is there ANY WAY that the drug test can test for or prove that she consumed one of these syrups before going in, and therefore call her sample contaminated (ie: she used a masking agent) which at this place of employment would be a clear fail? Has anyone EVER heard ANYTHING about the possibility that they do or are able to test FOR the syrup? It just seems to me like an easy solution to stopping that way of beating the test. The company we bought it from says no, but I am VERY VERY nervous about that, to the point of NOT wanting her to use the syrup on test day (even though we bought it and have it), especially if she tests clean 2 or 3 times, and the morning of.
So, summarized...
1) Is there ANY credence to the idea that her sleeping next to me the night of can cause her to be dirty the next day?
2) Is there any way that she can test negative Saturday, Sunday morning first urine, and then the morning OF the test, but then a little toxin comes out somehow and she fails it when she goes to the lab later that day? Or once she's clean, she's clean (even taking into account my question above)?
3) Is there ANY WAY the lab can test for or prove she used one of these syrups on the test day? Because if there is even a SHRED of a chance of that, then I DO NOT want her using it, as it'd destroy her to think she went through all of this to get clean, then blew it using the syrup (she didn't even need!) and thus getting a contaminated result. But again, should I be safe rather than sorry and just have her use it? My mind is wrapping itself in circles! LOL
Once again I am sorry for such a ridiculously long post, and for kind of saying the same thing over and over. But this is a test with life-long ramifications, she will not have used in 3+ weeks come the test, and went through all that this kit demanded of her, and I want to make absolutely sure we do what is best for her!
Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer some insight or knowledge on this... and heck, to anyone who even made it through READING all this! ;) heh. Most appreciated! :)
I have a several-tiered question regarding an impending test someone very important to me is about to have. Sorry in advance for being long-winded, but want to make sure I convey everything and get the right answer(s) for what I am asking, as this test is HUGE for both of our lives!
Some background....
We have been multi-time-a-day smokers for many years now (no other narcotics than THC though). She is getting a new job and will be getting tested at the start of next week. I am expecting it to be a standard urinalysis, but again, this test is so critical for her, and for us.
We purchased a 15-day cleansing kit from a popular website (not sure if I'm allowed to mention names, so I won't) that consisted of 15 cleansing tablets/pills a day spread over 5 hours, with lots of water/tea/cranberry drinking. It also had an 'elixir' that was used through the final 8 days (5 hrs of pills and fluids, 3hrs of just fluids no food, then .5oz of the elixir and no food drink for 3 more hours). It also came with a large tablet she is supposed to eat 45 mins before the actual test, as well as one home test kit, and we decided to also purchase the large test-day syrup just in case (that we've used successfully before - though a different brand, which to my knowledge, acts like a sponge and filters/holds back the THC for about a 5 hour window, but doesn't actually cleanse you). We went with the kit this time because we knew we had more time than usual, and so I wanted her to be confident and CLEAN, not nervous and using a temporary fixer that makes your urine neon yellow.
Anyhow.... She just completed the 15 day kit on Wednesday though it is important to note that it has now been THREE FULL WEEKS since she used/smoked. I quit with her, though I did smoke once or twice throughout this period, including just the other night (it was not smoked around her, however). We have not used the home test yet though, we are going to do it today.
Ok, to my questions....
1) The website folks and instructions said that she has to sleep on clean sheets every night of the cleanse, and the reason for this is that her sweat can carry a minimal amount of THC that when she purges her system and her system is craving the toxins it is used to, she can cross-contimate herself through those amounts in her fluids. VERY IMPORTANT--> They also said that I could cross-contaminate her because I am dirty, and recommended we sleep in different beds throughout. Now, I stopped using pretty much, as I said, though I did smoke last night and so I am dirty and we have been sleeping in the same bed.
It was per my understanding that even with actual second-hand smoke around you it is VERY difficult to get a positive result from that kind of cross-contamination if you aren't using... much less from me sleeping next to her! But this is the reason we bought the test-day syrup (just in case). Has anyone EVER heard of this before? Is there any validity to it?
This leads to my next question...
2) Once she is clean, she is clean til she uses again, correct? Meaning, if she tests negative today, then we go get another home test from GNC and test her tomorrow on her first urine of the day and she's negative again. And then on the morning of the test we test her again and she is clean/negative again is there ANY chance that she could then get a dirty/positive result at the test (even taking into consideration the cross-contamination concept mentioned above)? I ask that because if there is NO CHANCE, then I do NOT want her using that syrup we bought, though if there is, then I figure we should do the 'better safe than sorry'-approach and do the syrup as well.
The reason I don't want her to use the syrup is my last question...
3) We have used the test day syrup/sponge method in the past and it has worked. However, it makes your urine EXTREMELY yellow, to the point of it looking VERY artificial! I know you can say you take vitamins or whatever, but it made her very nervous last time, and I am concerned that it could raise a red flag. Also... and this is one of my BIGGEST CONCERNS--> I just feel like these syrups (Vales is the one I've used, this one is a different brand, though likely the same thing) make getting around a THC urine test way too easy. My instinct tells me that the drug test companies must know this, and may have likely thought of a way to beat it, ie: testing for the chemicals/vitamins that are IN the syrup to see if you're using it, particularly if you give them a sample that is glowing yellow.
To anyone's knowledge, is there ANY WAY that the drug test can test for or prove that she consumed one of these syrups before going in, and therefore call her sample contaminated (ie: she used a masking agent) which at this place of employment would be a clear fail? Has anyone EVER heard ANYTHING about the possibility that they do or are able to test FOR the syrup? It just seems to me like an easy solution to stopping that way of beating the test. The company we bought it from says no, but I am VERY VERY nervous about that, to the point of NOT wanting her to use the syrup on test day (even though we bought it and have it), especially if she tests clean 2 or 3 times, and the morning of.
So, summarized...
1) Is there ANY credence to the idea that her sleeping next to me the night of can cause her to be dirty the next day?
2) Is there any way that she can test negative Saturday, Sunday morning first urine, and then the morning OF the test, but then a little toxin comes out somehow and she fails it when she goes to the lab later that day? Or once she's clean, she's clean (even taking into account my question above)?
3) Is there ANY WAY the lab can test for or prove she used one of these syrups on the test day? Because if there is even a SHRED of a chance of that, then I DO NOT want her using it, as it'd destroy her to think she went through all of this to get clean, then blew it using the syrup (she didn't even need!) and thus getting a contaminated result. But again, should I be safe rather than sorry and just have her use it? My mind is wrapping itself in circles! LOL
Once again I am sorry for such a ridiculously long post, and for kind of saying the same thing over and over. But this is a test with life-long ramifications, she will not have used in 3+ weeks come the test, and went through all that this kit demanded of her, and I want to make absolutely sure we do what is best for her!
Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer some insight or knowledge on this... and heck, to anyone who even made it through READING all this! ;) heh. Most appreciated! :)