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cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 01:37 AM
Well, recently ive become 'very' interested in this im not sure if everyone knows about this but its not something that 'everyone' knows about really.
I've recently joined another forum at dreamviews.com which is a website about ludid dreaming, what they say is ANYONE can do this as long as you are dedicated and put it effort, It would just be so cool to be able to experience this let alone do it every single night.
For those of you who dont know what it is its basically, when you realise your dreaming in your dream and it becomes extremely vivid, as real as in real life, they say you can do so many things even have sex, fly, basically anything and you have all the feelings of it aswell, cant wait till i can do this been looking forward to fucking jenna jameson haha, but seriously they are extremely vivid and besides its better than normal shitty dreams. (for more info check out dreamviews.com)
Basically every night you dream at least 3-4 times and the chances are you definately have had a lucid dream before but you just dont remember it so the first thing you need to be able to do is teach yourself 'dream recall' which is the ability to be able to remember your dreams when you wake up, once you have mastered this then what you basically have to do is get yourself to know somehow that you are dreaming (when you're dreaming obviously) there are many different techniques maybe for example asking yourself "am i dreaming or is this real" lots of times throughout the day so when you are dreaming you will ask yourself this and then as soon as you KNOW you are dreaming everything becomes vivid and as real as real life and there are NO limits to what you can do.
On the forums which ive joined theres a HELL of a lot of info and in my opinion its definately the place to go if you want to learn how.
There are 10 different levels and here they are.
Level 0: ??Dreamless? -
Person has absolutely no recollection of a dream.
Level 1: ??Waking recollection? -
Slight recollection of a dream for only a few seconds after waking up, dreams are usually very surreal looking, fairly blurry, and often times in grayscale instead of colour. The dreams are usually very short and scattered. The recollection fades quickly and only bits and pieces of the dream are remembered after a second or two, even when focusing on them.
Level 2: ??Triggered recollection? -
Dreamer has waking recollections but looses it before writing it down but recalls the dream at a later time after seeing something or some event makes them remember. Dreams are still fairly surreal, blurry, and in dull colour, but are getting clearer. Dreams are longer than in level one, but still scattered. This is the average dream for most people.
Level 3: ??Long-term recollection? -
Dreams become fairly clear and are remembered easily for minutes or even hours after waking up. Often very exciting or horrifying dreams fit into this category, but with practice most dreamers can move their average dream here.
Level 4: ??Barely Lucid? -
Dream Induced Lucid Dream in which the dreamer realizes that they are dreaming, but has no control over anything, including themselves and their eyes. The dream usually only lasts for a few seconds or a minute or two at most followed by either a false awakening or actually waking up.
Level 5: ??Autopilot Lucid? -
Dreamer is fully aware that they are dreaming, they are somewhat in control of their bodies and fully aware of their eyes but nothing else. The flow of the dream is not controlled at all, nor is the surroundings. Dreams may go in strange directions. They usually only last for a few minutes. Moving around may or may not be controlled by the dreamer and is more of a floating movement than walking.
Level 6: ??Reality Lucid? -
Dreamer now gains control of their body and are granted free will. The immediate surroundings are static and objects can be manipulated with one??s hands the way that they would in waking life. The logical part of the brain is switched on so no superpowers are present. The dreamer may be able to change scenery by spinning or walking through a door, but for the most part the setting is dictated by the dream.
Level 7: ??Teleportation Lucid? -
Dreamer now has absolute ability to change their surroundings at will by spinning, but the dream is still in control of those surrounding, however if the dreamer is in danger the surroundings may change around them. For example if the dreamer is falling the ground may turn into water or a bed. Minor superpowers may be present such as breathing underwater, ability to jump to superhuman heights, and seeing in the dark. These can be fairly long dreams.
Level 8: ??Telekinetic Lucid? -
The Dreamer is given slight control over their surrounding and can manipulate the world with their mind. By now dreams are crystal clear and more powers are present, most notably the ability to fly. Minor control of the world is still controlled by the dream, making occasional random events happen. Characters in the dream may or may not be under the control of the dreamer.
Level 9: ??God Lucid? -
The Dreamer is now completely omnipotent and has control over themselves, their surroundings, and the other dream characters. They can remember everything about their dream so far and know what will happen next.
Level 10: ??Free Will Lucid? -
It might seem strange that there is a level above the "God Lucid" but complete control over everything can be boring. The Dreamer is still completely omnipotent when they choose to be. In this level the dream the dreamer can relinquish control of certain parts of the world but, unlike the Telekinetic Lucid, the dreamer does this on purpose. They can also give other dream characters free will if they choose and take it back when they choose.
Not sure if anyone has seen a movie called "waking life" but its basically about a man whos stuck in a lucid dream and cant get out and everytime he wakes up hes still in the damn dream, and it makes you wonder.. which life is real?? heres a great clip from the movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzpWaNT-dPs
On those forums theres a section in it called 'Task of the month' where some dude sets very interesting tasks for lucid dreamers for example..
Lucid Task: Summon/find a DV member. Report back what they looked like. Sketches or pictures are welcome!!!
Advanced Task: Summon a portal and go through it.
Lucid Task: Walk through fire.
Advanced Task: Ask your pet what he/she thinks of you. You only get credit for this task if your pet replies.
Lucid Task: Swing from a rope, vine, or Spiderman style. Release and drop into a body of water.
Find a tree and using your will, make it pull up its roots and walk around.
Lucid Task: Meet up with the Easter Bunny, do with him wat you will. Come back and report what happens.
Find a tree and merge yourself with it so that you totally become the tree
Lucid Task: Find a Leprechaun. Come back and report what happens.
Advanced Lucid task:Drive all the snakes off of an island
that must of definately been the LONGEST thread i ever made but it was worth it i just think its amazing how something like this is possible and its a real as real life with all the feelings i would definately love to experience this! you can also use lucid dreams to get over your fears and problems in life aswell which is quite interesting
bluntblaze
07-19-2007, 01:44 AM
holy shit. i havent the whole thread yet. this happend to me once when i was younger. i was dreaming but fully aware that i was dreamin. anyway off to read the rest of ur post
GoldenGoblin
07-19-2007, 01:45 AM
I got into this after high school and trained myself over like 2 years. It is really a great feeling to be able to control/modify your dreams to something you want instead of watching a movie unable to do anything.
Of course children and life sometimes take away from the ability but I can still do it if I try or remember if im not to tired lol
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 01:50 AM
Ooh i found these ones interesting.
Lucid Task: Find a crowd of people and yell, "Are there any other Lucid Dreamers here?!". Come back and report what happens.
Advanced Lucid task: Build a snowman or snow woman and bring it to life.
Lucid Task: Give a present to a Dream Character
Advanced Lucid task: Find a Dream Character and read his/her mind. Be sure to report back what you read.
Lucid Task: Ask a Dream character - "Am I Dreaming?"
Advanced Lucid task: Witness the end of the world, come back and tell us how it all ends.
Jim M
07-19-2007, 01:56 AM
I smoke with the real Jim at least 3 times a week :jointsmile:
bluntblaze
07-19-2007, 01:56 AM
after readin the whole thread it seems had the level 4 type dream. and i did wake up rite after it aswell. ive always wonderd what that dream was about ... ur def gettin some rep for this
bluntblaze
07-19-2007, 01:59 AM
how long does it usualy take to work?
Matt the Funk
07-19-2007, 02:00 AM
I lucid dream a lot. It's kinda cool. but I dont think i've ever lucid dreamed at those high levels. But almost all of my dreams are atleast partially lucid.
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 02:11 AM
how long does it usualy take to work?
can take anything from one day to a few months depends on the person really.
bluntblaze
07-19-2007, 02:16 AM
cheers im gonna go have a look at that site now... im gonna have soo much fun with this.
ps. it says i need to spread rep before i can rep u again
Oneironaut
07-19-2007, 02:20 AM
I love lucid dreaming. :D I can get lucid really easy if I try a little, but I have been getting lazy lately. Maybe I'll start keeping my dream journal again...
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 02:41 AM
Orly, whats ie like oneironaut, really as good as everyone says? what have you done before in your LD's?
bluntblaze
07-19-2007, 02:48 AM
i was looking on that site and someone asked about daily use of weed. somthing i realised was that i cant really remember my dreams too good if ive smoked recently. will it have be harder to do if ive been smoking weed
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 02:53 AM
i was looking on that site and someone asked about daily use of weed. somthing i realised was that i cant really remember my dreams too good if ive smoked recently. will it have be harder to do if ive been smoking weed
Doubt it
Oneironaut
07-19-2007, 03:14 AM
Orly, whats ie like oneironaut, really as good as everyone says?
It's better than everyone says. The English language is simply incapable of capturing the feeling of ultimate freedom.
what have you done before in your LD's?
I've flown, had crazy mad sex, run faster than cars, gone on GTA-style rampages, smoked joints the size of baseball bats...you know, the stuff you'd do if you were God. Oh, and I don't forget just running around grabbing every pair of tits you see. That's always fun.
CanaDanKs Inc.
07-19-2007, 03:16 AM
Oneironaut's name is very appropriate in this thread. :jointsmile:
Man I've practiced testing my state, looking at my hands all the time, keeping a dream journal, but never had an actual lucid dream...Maybe I'm too anxious about it.
My dream recall however
went up the roof
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 03:16 AM
It's better than everyone says. The English language is simply incapable of capturing the feeling of ultimate freedom.
I've flown, had crazy mad sex, run faster than cars, gone on GTA-style rampages, smoked joints the size of baseball bats...you know, the stuff you'd do if you were God. Oh, and I don't forget just running around grabbing every pair of tits you see. That's always fun.
LOL, that sounds mad and fun as hell!!!! LMAO that last bit made me laugh, how long did it take you to master it? the way you make it sound.. being asleep is better than being awake lol.
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 03:17 AM
Oneironaut's name is very appropriate in this thread. :jointsmile:
Man I've practiced testing my state, looking at my hands all the time, keeping a dream journal, but never had an actual lucid dream...Maybe I'm too anxious about it.
My dream recall however
went up the roof
In that case you just need to find out your personal dream signs look through that website man you will get lots of help there, how long have you been doing it for?
TheAtomicPunk
07-19-2007, 03:20 AM
Lucid Dreaming is fun, but it's seriously addictive it's so awesome DX.
The thing is when you find out your dreaming, just relax and don't get all excited and just go with it. If you start to wake up if you spin around you'll end up somewhere else and forget you're dreaming haha.
CanaDanKs Inc.
07-19-2007, 03:34 AM
In that case you just need to find out your personal dream signs look through that website man you will get lots of help there, how long have you been doing it for?
My dreamsigns were drugs, girls, swords, and anything unusual.
I even found a character that would always come back, not always the same physique, but she was always a little black girl. She would always tell me the craziest shit. It was really confusing.
But then I started toking again and forgot all about it.
I practice for about 8 months seriously, then gave up, then been on and off every now and then. Usually when I take weed breaks.
I used to visit dreamviews in 2003 along with the LD4ALL forums and I was way into it. I've had a lot of close calls! :thumbsup:
ghosty
07-19-2007, 03:50 AM
I taught myslef how to notice dreamtriggers, and be able to lucid dream in order to conquer a re-occuring nightmare that haunted all through my childhood. Once you learn to control your dreams it can be quite fun.... they key is to notice something that re-occurs in the dreams that lets you know your dreaming.. for me it was the lamp in my room... in my dreams it never worked, so if i tried the lamp and it didnt work id know i was dreaming, from that point i was in total control.
I actually have lucid dreams somewhat often, about a 2-4 per month. Most of the time when i'm lucid its somewhere between a level 6-8. I had a lucid dream last night and I was trying to fly but I couldn't. I've been able to fly a few times and it is really fun when I can. You kind of have to forget everything and just believe you can do it. Like one time i was in my room and i realized it was a dream and I ran through my wall and flew around my neighborhood until I came to a strip club (which doesn't exist in real life) and then I started having sex with one of the strippers. I woke up after that.
Rutherford The Brave
07-19-2007, 04:26 AM
The waking life is amazing.
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 04:01 PM
Yeah check out my 'request a movie here' thread its in page 1 there if you want to watch it.
Oneironaut
07-19-2007, 04:10 PM
LOL, that sounds mad and fun as hell!!!! LMAO that last bit made me laugh, how long did it take you to master it?
It didn't take me very long. The day after I started learning about it on the Internet, I took out a book from the library by Stephen LaBerge on the subject, and read half the book before I went to sleep. Since I had spent the whole day thinking about and reading about lucid dreaming, I had a dream about lucid dreaming, which made me realize I was in a dream. And after that I just kept having shitloads of them, especially after I started my dream journal. For a while I was having one at least every other night.
the way you make it sound.. being asleep is better than being awake lol.
Yeah, it definitely is, when you're lucid.
fasterspider
07-19-2007, 04:43 PM
I have not remembered a dream since some tiime back in the 80s before I turned into a heroin and cocaine addict. Not one dream can be rememebered for me even though I know I dream because that is what the mind does while we sleep. My wife tells me that I talk in my sleep every now and then too but, I still have no recollection of any dreams.
king of the world
07-19-2007, 06:51 PM
ive had a couple of lucid dreams but i really did not fully realize that i was dreaming. ive had a lot of dreams where i could control myself to fly all over the place. its one of the coolest things ever to be able to fly in your dream. also having sex in your dreams is the shit. but everytime i realize that i am dreaming the i wake up. and i dont know what yall mean with spinning in your dream?
Oneironaut
07-19-2007, 08:40 PM
It's like spinning in real life, only in your dream. If you spin around like a top, for some reason that helps keep you in the dream if you feel yourself waking up. I don't know why it works but I know from experience that it does.
Rutherford The Brave
07-19-2007, 09:00 PM
Last night i kinda became lucid on accident... Heres what happened.
For some reason i was at my friend nate's house in newark NJ, and like, i went in there and something happened and someone shot me, and like, i didnt know it cuz it was a dream and i didnt feel pain, but i distinctly remember spitting out blood in my dream and knowing that i was gonna die. I guess i closed my eyes for a sec (in the dream) and next thing i know im running out the house around the house and i remember looking down and seeing blood all over my white tee (lol). thats kind of all i remember about it but i was definitely lucid for the part where i was running, i was controlling it and i hopped a fence and everything lol.
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 09:14 PM
sounds interesting, was it because of this thread lol :p
king of the world
07-19-2007, 09:15 PM
It's like spinning in real life, only in your dream. If you spin around like a top, for some reason that helps keep you in the dream if you feel yourself waking up. I don't know why it works but I know from experience that it does.
ok thanks for clearing that up for me. im gonna have to try that when i fell myself waking up.
king of the world
07-19-2007, 09:18 PM
this one time i was in a lucid dream and realized that i was dreaming. so i began to fly but i was to scared to fly real high because i was afraid that for some reason my flying powers would stop and i would fall all the waayyyyyyy down. lol
Oh My High
07-19-2007, 11:28 PM
I've had plenty of lucid dreams. At first, I had total control over the dreams and experimented with the dream reality; e.g. doing whatever I wanted, making things appear at will, flying, etc. It literally felt like Neo in The Matrix. I learned that, at least for myself, there are two laws of physics which govern lucid dreams:
1. I must abide by the laws of physics which were set-up before going lucid. If it's one of those flying dreams, then I can fly, but if the dream was set to normal reality then I can only jump.
2. I can make anything or anyone appear at will but it must come from out-of-view, such as by opening a cabinet or opening a door. This is extremely useful for keeping a dream going because I lost many dreams due to looking for something and time ran out.
cannabis campbell
07-19-2007, 11:46 PM
this one time i was in a lucid dream and realized that i was dreaming. so i began to fly but i was to scared to fly real high because i was afraid that for some reason my flying powers would stop and i would fall all the waayyyyyyy down. lol
Even though you KNEW you were dreaming Lol!?
king of the world
07-20-2007, 02:06 AM
Even though you KNEW you were dreaming Lol!?
lol i know. i was just being cautious, i did not want to die
reality0
07-20-2007, 03:07 AM
wow this looks amazing.. i think i've been on level 3... but only around 5 times my entire life..
can't wait to do this... :jointsmile:
cannabis campbell
07-20-2007, 03:25 AM
wow this looks amazing.. i think i've been on level 3... but only around 5 times my entire life..
can't wait to do this... :jointsmile:
You should join the forums there, a lot of help if you are serious about it
Oh My High
07-20-2007, 03:36 AM
Ironically, the one enemy of lucid dreams is weed, simply because your ability to achieve REM sleep gets messed up. :(
cannabis campbell
07-20-2007, 03:46 AM
Oh well just dont smoke any, go to sleep instead and smoke an ounce blunt im sure it would be cheaper LOL.
reality0
07-20-2007, 04:13 AM
Ironically, the one enemy of lucid dreams is weed, simply because your ability to achieve REM sleep gets messed up. :(
is that true? cause the only time i smoke is usually at night 2-3 hours before i go to bed.. aww fuck lol
S.P.Q.R.
07-20-2007, 06:31 AM
Hmmm I'm a bit confused... I've always been concious in the dreams :wtf: I can't really force things to happen, but I make decisions and even have some of my senses in my dreams (taste and smell, for example). Is this normal?? I've never really looked into dreams
Peruvian Devil
07-20-2007, 12:38 PM
I used to Lucid dream all the time like a year ago, then i got all streessed and the dreams didnt come anymore, I thought myself how to recognize a dream, it is pretty crazy to be able to watever you like, one thing i found that helps you get a dream is to not completly close your eyes when you go to sleep, i dunno how to explain it, just keep your eyes a lil bit open when you really want to sleep and think of a setting, if it works your room will turn into that setting or something related to it. Now i miss my Lucid Dreams :(
cannabis campbell
07-20-2007, 12:53 PM
Wouldnt it be hard if not impossible to get to sleep if you dont close your eyes completely
Chronisseur
07-20-2007, 01:54 PM
I've been doing this effortlessly for my entire life and do not reccomend it, unless absolutely nessecary! It is EXTREMELY dangerous to open the untrained mind to such a powerful concept. :wtf:
I would be happy to go in depth, upon your request!
reality0
07-20-2007, 02:37 PM
I've been doing this effortlessly for my entire life and do not reccomend it, unless absolutely nessecary! It is EXTREMELY dangerous to open the untrained mind to such a powerful concept. :wtf:
I would be happy to go in depth, upon your request!
please do...
cannabis campbell
07-20-2007, 04:04 PM
LOL!, what are you talking about extremely dangerous?? How is it in any way? Do you have any idea what you're talking about!?
Oneironaut
07-20-2007, 04:19 PM
Yeah really. Can you give one credible example of anybody who has ever been harmed by lucid dreaming? Exploring your inner consciousness is one of the rare journeys in life that come with practically no risk of danger.
Chronisseur
07-21-2007, 05:24 PM
Folks, we're human beings (most of us)!
Our brains, and bodies are precisely tuned for our environment. Metaphorically speaking, do you think their are no potentially negative reactions to a new car upon introducing rocket fuel in place of unleaded gasoline?
...Im bad @ explaining things but I will not stop trying till you guys get it!!!
Ok...grow a beautiful tree, and when it starts to flower, dump a ton of 20-20-20 and whats happens?
Anybody?
It dies because its unfamiliar and cannot handle something it could have, had it been slowly introduced.
...still dont get it?(go smoke one)
:smokin:
Better now? Good!
My point is this: Anything can be destroyed or damaged by a "natural" component in excess.
As a strong advocate for exploring the unknown, I feel it is a duty of mine to promote safe, somewhat controlled learning.
...think along the lines of us only using 7-10% of our brains and theoretically turning into a sphere of energy @ 30-35%:wtf:
Im too stoned now,...I quit!
:stoned:Questions?Comments
toll free 1(800)-IAMNUTS
Oneironaut
07-21-2007, 06:26 PM
...think along the lines of us only using 7-10% of our brains and theoretically turning into a sphere of energy @ 30-35%:wtf:
I take it you're not big on the science stuff...
Urban Legends Reference Pages: Ten Percent of our Brains (http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percent.asp)
The Ten-Percent Myth
Claim: We use only ten percent of our brains.
Status: False.
Origins: Someone has taken most of your brain away and you probably didn't even know it. Well, not taken your brain away, exactly, but decided that you don't use it. It's the old myth heard time and again about how people use only ten percent of their brains. While for the people who repeat that myth, it's probably true, the rest of us happily use all of our brains.
The Myth and the Media
That tired Ten-Percent claim pops up all the time. In 1998, national magazine ads for U.S. Satellite Broadcasting showed a drawing of a brain. Under it was the caption, "You only use 11 percent of its potential." Well, they're a little closer than the ten-percent figure, but still off by about 89 percent. In July 1998, ABC television ran promotional spots for The Secret Lives of Men, one of their offerings for the fall season's lineup. The spot featured a full-screen blurb that read, "Men only use ten percent of their brains."
One reason this myth has endured is that it has been adopted by psychics and other paranormal pushers to explain psychic powers. On more than one occasion I've heard psychics tell their audiences, "We only use ten percent of our minds. If scientists don't know what we do with the other
ninety percent, it must be used for psychic powers!" In Reason To Believe: A Practical Guide to Psychic Phenomena, author Michael Clark mentions a man named Craig Karges. Karges charges a lot of money for his "Intuitive Edge" program, designed to develop natural psychic abilities. Clark quotes Karges as saying: "We normally use only 10 to 20 percent of our minds. Think how different your life would be if you could utilize that other 80 to 90 percent known as the subconscious mind."
This was also the reason that Caroline Myss gave for her alleged intuitive powers on a segment of Eye to Eye with Bryant Gumbel, which aired in July of 1998. Myss, who has written books on unleashing "intuitive powers," said that everyone has intuitive gifts, and lamented that we use so little of the mind's potential. To make matters worse, just the week before, on the very same program, correct information was presented about the myth. In a bumper spot between the program and commercials, a quick quiz flashed onscreen: What percentage of the brain is used? The multiple-choice answers ranged from 10 percent to 100 percent. The correct answer appeared, which I was glad to see. But if the producers knew that what one of their interviewees said is clearly and demonstrably inaccurate, why did they let it air? Does the right brain not know what the left brain is doing? Perhaps the Myss interview was a repeat, in which case the producers presumably checked her facts after it aired and felt some responsibility to correct the error in the following week's broadcast. Or possibly the broadcasts aired in sequence and the producers simply did not care and broadcast Myss and her misinformation anyway.
Even Uri Geller, who has made a career out of trying to convince people he can bend metal with his mind, trots out this little gem. This claim appears in his book Uri Geller's Mind-Power Book in the introduction: "Our minds are capable of remarkable, incredible feats, yet we don't use them to their full capacity. In fact, most of us only use about 10 per cent of our brains, if that. The other 90 per cent is full of untapped potential and undiscovered abilities, which means our minds are only operating in a very limited way instead of at full stretch. I believe that we once had full power over our minds. We had to, in order to survive, but as our world has become more sophisticated and complex we have forgotten many of the abilities we once had" (italicized phrases emphasized in original).
Evidence Against the Ten-Percent Myth
The argument that psychic powers come from the unused majority of the brain is based on the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance. In this fallacy, lack of proof for a position (or simply lack of information) is used to try to support a particular claim. Even if it were true that the vast majority of the human mind is unused (which it clearly is not), that fact in no way implies that any extra capacity could somehow give people paranormal powers. This fallacy pops up all the time in paranormal claims, and is especially prevalent among UFO proponents. For example: Two people see a strange light in the sky. The first, a UFO believer, says, "See there! Can you explain that?" The skeptic replies that no, he can't. The UFO believer is gleeful. "Ha! You don't know what it is, so it must be aliens!" he says, arguing from ignorance.
What follows are two of the reasons that the Ten-Percent story is suspect. (For a much more thorough and detailed analysis of the subject, see Barry Beyerstein's chapter in the 1999 book Mind Myths: Exploring Everyday Mysteries of the Mind.)
1) Brain imaging research techniques such as PET scans (positron emission tomography) and fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) clearly show that the vast majority of the brain does not lie fallow. Indeed, although certain minor functions may use only a small part of the brain at one time, any sufficiently complex set of activities or thought patterns will indeed use many parts of the brain. Just as people don't use all of their muscle groups at one time, they also don't use all of their brain at once. For any given activity, such as eating, watching television, making love, or reading, you may use a few specific parts of your brain. Over the course of a whole day, however, just about all of the brain is used at one time or another.
2) The myth presupposes an extreme localization of functions in the brain. If the "used" or "necessary" parts of the brain were scattered all around the organ, that would imply that much of the brain is in fact necessary. But the myth implies that the "used" part of the brain is a discrete area, and the "unused" part is like an appendix or tonsil, taking up space but essentially unnecessary. But if all those parts of the brain are unused, removal or damage to the "unused" part of the brain should be minor or unnoticed. Yet people who have suffered head trauma, a stroke, or other brain injury are frequently severely impaired. Have you ever heard a doctor say, ". . . But luckily when that bullet entered his skull, it only damaged the 90 percent of his brain he didn't use"? Of course not.
Variants of the Ten-Percent Myth
The myth is not simply a static, misunderstood factoid. It has several forms, and this adaptability gives it a shelf life longer than lacquered Spam. In the basic form, the myth claims that years ago a scientist discovered that we indeed did use only ten percent of our brains. Another variant is that only ten percent of the brain had been mapped, and this in turn became misunderstood as ten percent used. A third variant was described earlier by Craig Karges. This view is that the brain is somehow divided neatly into two parts: the conscious mind which is used ten to twenty percent of the time (presumably at capacity); and the subconscious mind, where the remaining eighty to ninety percent of the brain is unused. This description betrays a profound misunderstanding of brain function research.
Part of the reason for the long life of the myth is that if one variant can be proven incorrect, the person who held the belief can simply shift the reason for his belief to another basis, while the belief itself stays intact. So, for example, if a person is shown that PET scans depict activity throughout the entire brain, he can still claim that, well, the ninety percent figure really referred to the subconscious mind, and therefore the Ten-Percent figure is still basically correct.
Regardless of the exact version heard, the myth is spread and repeated, by both the well-meaning and the deliberately deceptive. The belief that remains, then, is what Robert J. Samuelson termed a "psycho-fact, [a] belief that, though not supported by hard evidence, is taken as real because its constant repetition changes the way we experience life." People who don't know any better will repeat it over and over, until, like the admonition against swimming right after you eat, the claim is widely believed. ("Triumph of the Psycho-Fact," Newsweek, 9 May 1994.)
The origins of the myth are not at all clear. Beyerstein, of the Brain Behaviour Laboratory at Simon Fraser University in British Columbia, has traced it back to at least the early part of the century. A 1998 column in New Scientist magazine also suggested various roots, including Albert Einstein and Dale Carnegie ("Brain Drain"). It likely has a number of sources, principally misunderstood or misinterpreted legitimate scientific findings as well as self-help gurus.
The most powerful lure of the myth is probably the idea that we might develop psychic abilities, or at least gain a leg up on the competition by improving our memory or concentration. All this is available for the asking, the ads say, if we just tapped into our most incredible of organs, the brain. It is past time to put this myth to rest, although if it has survived at least a century so far, it will surely live on into the new millennium. Perhaps the best way to combat this chestnut is to reply to the speaker, when the myth is mentioned, "Oh? What part don't you use?"
Chronisseur
07-21-2007, 08:07 PM
OK, I guess my point is that regardless of %, we as humans have an incredible capacity that has yet be discovered. Within this journey to understand our potential, we will encounter burdens and blessings.
You could also look at it like this; I'm apparently 13 pts into the "genious" catagory on a standard IQ, yet I continue to babble like a complete moron, and struggle greatly w everyday tasks!(indica dom. hybrids help!)
Chronisseur
07-21-2007, 08:38 PM
Does ANYONE agree/understand what I'm trying to say, or am I on my own w this one?
reality0
07-21-2007, 08:43 PM
i understand what your saying completely... and i also understand that our mind is unlimited with the things that we could do... but, everything needs pioneers... :jointsmile:
Oh My High
07-21-2007, 08:45 PM
You have yet to provide any evidence why it's potentially extremely dangerous or even dangerous to lucid dream. Without relying on poor metaphors or analogies, what?
Chronisseur
07-21-2007, 11:58 PM
People tend to misuse and abuse power. What is knowledge...?
The danger I was referring to, is clinically referred to as insanity. Many people get "lost" in themselves, and end up with "mental:wtf:knots" that can take a lifetime to untie. I've seen this, I've experienced this, and will not waste MY time posting the thousands of case studies that support this.
So maybe I'M crazy, but I'm typing this post for the general well being of the cannabis.com community.
PS: are my metaphors really that "poor"
Chronisseur
07-22-2007, 12:02 AM
....and DO NOT let me discourage anyone from LD!
Thats not at all my intention. Just to be safe and responsible while in pursuit of something so powerful.:stoned:
Oh My High
07-22-2007, 12:50 AM
The danger I was referring to, is clinically referred to as insanity. Many people get "lost" in themselves, and end up with "mental:wtf:knots" that can take a lifetime to untie. I've seen this, I've experienced this, and will not waste MY time posting the thousands of case studies that support this.Insanity is not a clinical term and as such there is no clinical definition. What is the clinical term for these "mental knots" of people who get "lost" in themselves, and demonstrate where in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders Vol. IV in which it is stated lucid dreams are the cause. There is no need to spend time individually describing thousands of anecdotal (non-scientific) stories, but demonstrate where in the Journal of the American Medical Association or the New England Journal of Medicine where are the aggregate studies.
Metaphors can be effective but only when supplementary to FACTS and not in replacement of reality. You resort to metaphors and cop outs because, of course, as we both know, your position is baseless.
azure
07-22-2007, 01:45 AM
Folks, we're human beings (most of us)!
Our brains, and bodies are precisely tuned for our environment. Metaphorically speaking, do you think their are no potentially negative reactions to a new car upon introducing rocket fuel in place of unleaded gasoline?
...Im bad @ explaining things but I will not stop trying till you guys get it!!!
Ok...grow a beautiful tree, and when it starts to flower, dump a ton of 20-20-20 and whats happens?
Anybody?
It dies because its unfamiliar and cannot handle something it could have, had it been slowly introduced.
...still dont get it?(go smoke one)
:smokin:
Better now? Good!
My point is this: Anything can be destroyed or damaged by a "natural" component in excess.
As a strong advocate for exploring the unknown, I feel it is a duty of mine to promote safe, somewhat controlled learning.
...think along the lines of us only using 7-10% of our brains and theoretically turning into a sphere of energy @ 30-35%:wtf:
Based on the metaphores youre using having a lucid dream is an unfamiliar experience, how can this be possible when we control our lives outside of dreaming, of course not to the same extent, but that is where the definition of the word "dream" comes in, you know its not real so to control it you have to realise its a dream [something which may bend laws of the physical world].
If anything non lucid dreaming is more likely to frazzle our brains because were not in control of it and is less real than what were used to, the subconcious bieng the "rocket fuel" that you describe, or more specifically things witnessed by the concious filtered and repieced by the subconcious.
"Anything can be destroyed or damaged by a "natural" component in excess."
Dont see how this is applicable here since youre implying lucid dreaming alone will cause this, even though its the real events in your concious life that are the real "natural components" to swerve someone in a more non sane direction, unless you think these would play on the mind more within lucid dreaming.. in which they wouldnt because you are LUCID.. you are in control if you dont like what you see you can click your heels together and your back to cansas.
I think you got caught up on your own thought train here and didnt think it through properly. No offense.
So onto my experiences of lucid dreaming.. im much more interested in astral projection now but lucid dreams are still a fun way to recharge your batteries. Ive been having them since a kid and are normally triggered by obvious things such as bieng underwater in a dream for extended periods, or more recently just realising how much more distorted reality is and taking control, recently looking at a spot in front of me in the dream eg. 100 foot ahead on the pavement, clicking my fingers and bieng there, so teleportation, also have had floating and flying which are equally cool.
It takes quite some mental concentration to keep lucid sometimes though as it seems the easier option to just let the subconcious take control and sit back and watch.
Best way to get into it i think is to integrate reality checks into your life every day [when noones looking ofc] such as pinching yourself, checking your watch numerous times to see if the time stays on track, unlike in dreams where it never seems to. So that when you start dreaming you'll do it and realise.
man what a rant!
Chronisseur
07-22-2007, 02:36 AM
Debate what you will.
I've got my thoughts, you've got yours and the scientists have theirs.
(all of which are valid)
What's the truth? Better yet, who's the judge?
PS: you've been good critics, have fun:thumbsup:
TheAtomicPunk
07-22-2007, 02:44 AM
Last night I was more lucid than I had been in a long time. I was playing in the snow when it was like 70 degrees out, went into my friends basement and it eventually turned into a jungle and I was rafting down waterfalls, haha. Later had one that I was driving and some helicopter was following me and there was some celebrity in a car in front of me, idk...
Oh My High
07-22-2007, 02:45 AM
I've got my thoughts, you've got yours and the scientists have theirs.
(all of which are valid)
What's the truth? Better yet, who's the judge?
All ideas are not equally valid.
Mike23artist
07-22-2007, 05:36 AM
i pee in my dreams then i have a waterbed:(
GonzoForever
07-22-2007, 06:15 AM
I love that feeling of a good lucid dream...ahhh yes...
If you want a lot of those
take shrooms haha
azure
07-22-2007, 01:05 PM
:rasta:
mauichick
09-15-2007, 08:18 AM
it's funny that i came across this because i had a lucid dream the other night.
i was actually in control and really aware that i was dreaming for a short time but i remember a lot of it.
i am moving to maui soon and i had a dream that i was there already and it was so real and i was like... hey! i should go check out my apartment and see what it looks like! this is fun! i felt like i was getting a free glimpse into the future through my dream. i felt like i was lucky to get to experience being there before i was actually going to go for reals. then i forgot what the apartment number was so i couldn't realistically see my apartment if i didn't really know the number, and i spend the rest of my dream trying to figure out which apartment it was. lol
chaliceburn
09-15-2007, 09:24 AM
Awesome thread.
I've lived for months at a time at the supposed 4.5 - 5 "level" as I understand it... Some examples: I was fighting nazis and jumped on a bus to escape, then one popped up and shot me point blank in the face and when I realized that would be fatal, I "rewound" the dream and killed that bastard first. Another time I realized I was trapped in a haunted house and magically armed myself with a crowbar, with which I killed my first werewolf!
After that, I started smoking pot and drinking again, and pretty much don't remember anything I probably dream.
I had pages and pages of dates and dreams and pathetic attempts to encompass all the details of those dreams in journals, that even fifteen years later I could recall, with the help of my own documentation.
Lots of violent dreams. Most dreams trace back to the bad neighborhood I reached puberty in, although if anything I was underabused. Must have deep psychological stuff behind that neighborhood somehow. Hard not to assume I have unfinished business there since my own brain reminds me of it constantly.
But back to something a ltttle less personal...
Have you ever had a dream where Something Bad was out to get you and all you had was a poorly working BB gun to defend yourself with or is it just me?
After a few weeks of that, I graduated to the crowbar.
Folks, we're human beings (most of us)!
Our brains, and bodies are precisely tuned for our environment. Metaphorically speaking, do you think their are no potentially negative reactions to a new car upon introducing rocket fuel in place of unleaded gasoline?
...Im bad @ explaining things but I will not stop trying till you guys get it!!!
Ok...grow a beautiful tree, and when it starts to flower, dump a ton of 20-20-20 and whats happens?
Anybody?
It dies because its unfamiliar and cannot handle something it could have, had it been slowly introduced.
...still dont get it?(go smoke one)
:smokin:
Better now? Good!
My point is this: Anything can be destroyed or damaged by a "natural" component in excess.
As a strong advocate for exploring the unknown, I feel it is a duty of mine to promote safe, somewhat controlled learning.
...think along the lines of us only using 7-10% of our brains and theoretically turning into a sphere of energy @ 30-35%:wtf:
Im too stoned now,...I quit!
:stoned:Questions?Comments
toll free 1(800)-IAMNUTS
Um, nope. Sorry.
I've done lots of research on this over the years, and I have experienced it. Lucid dreaming frees your mind - there are no negative side effects, what are you talking about? None of your examples had any correlation to lucid dreaming, lol. Makes no sense.
What you're saying is that it's too powerful for us to handle, even though we naturally have the capability to do so? It's dangerous for one to explore their subconscious and unconscious, consciously? You are mad misinformed, sorry to say.
Also, you say you know of "thousands" of case-studies which support what you say. Ok, well then maybe you can show us 15 or 20 of them?
HighTillIDie
09-15-2007, 11:41 AM
hahahaha i actually have a good point on this to make
i experienced this alot when i was hmmm, like 23 or 24. It started because i had a reoccuring(sp?) nightmare, and i realized it was reoccuring. So i conquered the situation, caught the person i was chasing, and escaped the person chasing me. I woke up basically right after.
The next day, someone was telling me how they had a dream with me in it, which reminded me of my dream. So as i went to bed, i had it fresh in my mind... i dreamt real strong and again late in my dreams, i realized it, and this time, i was midway through a sex dream, so i really let my imagination come alive, and i later awoke. So i continued on in this fashion for a long while, not sure how long, i got real real good at having deep complex controlled dreams. No longer the vague dreams where it is still semi-abstract, i would storm the beaches, explore space, abuse super powers, in real life, interactive quality. Really until now, i forgot how much ass it kicked.
Well anyways, after a while... i think i spent too much time in my head or something, because i would have creepy shit start to happen. say i was playing with Mike in the finals (born in chicago ;) ) i would look over and the coach would be, like, my grandfather (who i hated) yelling at me... so i would make him disapear and go on... but things like that kept happening, and eventually my control took alot more ... effort?... to make the dreams perfect, without stupid shit happening. So i stopped
So if you are a person like me, with a head that is fucked up awake, maybe you should deal with your issues, before you mess with the subconsious.
and if we only use 10% of our brain... why are their names and function for everypart of the brain, lol ... we may only use a fraction of our mental ability, but really just look at history to see man's potential. We are capable of unexplainable feats... and beer drinking contests.
mauichick
09-15-2007, 10:58 PM
i did the spinning thing last night! i didn't like my dream and i was like.. oh yeah, if i spin around i will be in maui.
and for a few seconds i was in maui. but then i went back to dreaming.
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